Normally, Marc Thiessen’s torture apologies aren’t worth my time. But seeing as how I didn’t whack any piñatas on Cinco de Mayo, why not Thiessen’s latest, in which he claims those who deny CIA interrogations played a part in nabbing bin Laden are the latest birthers?
|By: emptywheel Sunday May 8, 2011 7:41 am|
To celebrate Mothers Day, the Sunday shows have brought you the Mushroom Cloud Brigade–Condi Rice, Rummy, and Dick Cheney–the three people who, on September 8, 2002 used the Sunday shows to trumpet the intelligence they had laundered through Judy Miller to lie us into war against Iraq.
|By: emptywheel Wednesday May 4, 2011 6:18 am|
Torture didn’t lead us to OBL; rather, it led us to stop searching in concerted manner for OBL. Or so it seems when you really look at what Jose Rodriguez said.
|By: emptywheel Tuesday May 3, 2011 3:40 pm|
They waterboarded KSM 183 times in a month, and he either never got asked about couriers guarding OBL, or he avoided answering the question honestly. Had KSM revealed that detail, Bush might have gotten OBL 8 years ago.
And just as importantly, the whole time KSM was shielding Abu Ahmed’s true identity while being waterboarded, KSM was also lying to the CIA about where OBL was.
|By: emptywheel Tuesday May 3, 2011 1:35 pm|
We can’t say one way or another whether skilled interrogation would have yielded this information in 2005. It’s possible al-Libi would have successfully shielded it in any case. But if the ISI report is even remotely accurate, it seems clear that al-Libi sat in our custody for six years, knowing of the location that might house OBL, and never disclosed it.
|By: emptywheel Tuesday May 3, 2011 7:43 am|
This narrative still seems to be missing at least one step: how they learned Abu Ahmed’s real name.
|By: David Dayen Tuesday May 3, 2011 6:53 am|
The story of the frantic raid on the bin Laden compound in Abbottabad has evolved over the past 24 hours. What was a very crisp narrative full of interesting details has not held up. Here are a few examples. . . .
|By: emptywheel Monday May 2, 2011 6:30 pm|
Either KSM shielded the courier’s identity entirely until close to 2007, or he told his interrogators that there was a courier who might be protecting bin Laden early in his detention but they were never able to force him to give the courier’s true name or his location, at least not until three or four years after the waterboarding of KSM ended. That’s either a sign of the rank incompetence of KSM’s interrogators (that is, that they missed the significance of a courier protecting OBL), or a sign he was able to withstand whatever treatment they used with him.
|By: David Dayen Monday May 2, 2011 2:30 pm|
As soon as we started talking about torture on the level of efficacy, i.e. whether torture “worked,” it was inevitable that we’d have a day like this.
|By: emptywheel Monday May 2, 2011 7:30 am|
Was Abu Faraj al-Libbi the “high value detainee” that pointed the US to OBL’s compound in Pakistan?