In October 08 I had the great good fortune to attend what was billed as a debate between teams of progressive and conservative talk show hosts: Thom Hartmann and Stephanie Miller on the left, Bill Handel and Alan Stock on the right. Bill Handel opened the program by saying we shouldn't expect too much from him, as he had already decided he was voting for Obama. It was left to Alan Stock to spout the right wing talking points we had all expected to hear, which he reliably did.