The flow of poetry–its complex use of rhythm and rhymes, the interplay of vision and voice–weaves throughout the lives of the students in Louder Than a Bomb, a strong yet gentle documentary that follows four high school poetry teams as they prepare to compete in the world’s largest youth poetry slam, Louder Than a Bomb, held annually in Chicago. Directed and produced by Jon Siskel and tonight’s guest Greg Jacobs, Louder Than a Bomb shows the power of the word, spoken and written, to transform lives.
The team from Steinmetz, an inner city school, is competing for only the second year, defending their winning title against 60 other schools and 600 students. Teams perform both as a group and as individuals, so the pressure is on for the Steinmenauts, as they call themselves, when team members lose focus during writing and rehearsal sessions. Meanwhile another competitor, Nova Venerable, is crafting pieces about her severely disabled brother and absent father, while Nate Marshall who has competed for six years without winning, develops poems full of wit and yearning. Adam Gottlieb, a privileged kid whose life is so different from the others profiled, shines with grace.
Louder Than a Bomb shows, without preaching, the importance, the necessity, of providing students with arts education, allowing them their own voices while developing literacy and cultural fluency. And most importantly, the poetry slam competition gives students from all areas of the city a chance to meet and hear each other–to realize their shared experiences and emotions, and to develop respect for each other and themselves.




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Please stay on topic/s–in this case tonight’s film Louder Than a Bomb, director Greg Jacobs, poetry slams, the Louder Than a Bomb slams, the benefits of arts education, and the awesome kids in Louder Than a Bomb. If you’d like to discuss today’s newsworthy matters, please find a post elsewhere on FDL to do so.
Thank you. And yeah, I tpye badly…
Welcome to Firedoglake Movie Night, Greg, and thank you for being here tonight!
Hi Lisa – Thanks for having me!
Greg, thank you for making such a powerful film. How did you and co-director/co-producer Jon Siskel learn about the louder Than a Bomb poetry slams?
It was actually a complete accident, as these things tend to be. I was driving down Clark Street in Chicago (near Wrigley Field) one night in March of 2005, and happened to pass by the Metro, a famous club. Instinctively, I looked up to see who was playing, and the marquee said, “Louder Than a Bomb High School Poetry Slam Finals Tonight”. Then I noticed that there was a line of kids down the block, kids of all shapes and sizes and colors, which is the kind of diversity you typically don’t see on a Saturday night on the north side of Chicago. To see poetry. For fun. So I thought, hmm, this is interesting, and the next Monday, my co-director Jon Siskel & I started to investigate…
Greg, Welcome to the Lake. Thank you and Jon for a great film. I learned a lot about poetry slams too.
Louder Than A Bomb – website
Thanks, Bev…We learned a lot, as well! We knew about slam poetry when we started – it was born here in Chicago, after all – but we had no idea there was such a vibrant youth spoken word culture.
So you watched some of these kids, like Adam Gottlieb and Nate Marshall, early on.
Who was your first contact in the poetry slam competition?
Wiki – Poetry Slam as background
And you saw Stienmetz win the first time out!?
Are there poetry slam competitions in other states? a national competition?
We ended up visiting about 12-15 schools in the year before we started shooting, just to get to know the culture, the kids, the coaches, etc. Then we went to the event that spring. It was there that we really saw how phenomenal the kids we ended up following were – they just jumped off the stage (not quite literally). We also let the other kids at the event vote…we would ask them who we should follow, and they’d say, “Oh, man, you’ve gotta see Nate”, or “Adam Gottlieb is awesome!” And of course, the Steinmenauts won, so we had to follow them. There was no 5th team…we just placed our bets on the four we chose, and got very, very lucky.
Can you explain for those reading how the Louder Than a Bomb poetry slam works?
Kevin Coval, the co-founder of LTAB (along with Anna West) was our tour guide. He pointed us toward the schools and the programs he thought were the most appropriate for what we wanted to do. He’s an amazing poet and educator, and it’s been great being able to work with him throughout this process.
Louder Than A Bomb(LTAB) YouTube channel, for new material, deleted scenes, outtakes, etc.: http://www.youtube.com/user/siskeljacobs
The Steinmetz kids were like big puppies – just so exuberant and excited to be there. And then they’d go onstage and just blow people away with the quality and energy of their work. So once they won, we knew we would have to follow them the next year. And in a way, it made for a more interesting story – it turned out to be not so much the standard story about kids writing their way out of poverty, and more about kids from tough circumstances coping with something that can be even more challenging: success.
That is a huge lesson. Where are the kids you focused on now?
Was the Steinmetz kids the largest group at the competition? I believe the film mentioned 50 kids?
There are youth slams all over the country. In many cases, winning teams are assembled from different cities to compete at Brave New Voices, which is the national youth poetry slam, and an amazing event in its own right. One of the great things about the film is that has helped Young Chicago Authors seed LTAB-style slams in cities all over the country. So the same transformative event is now also taking place in Tulsa, Omaha, Boston, D.C., Detroit, North Carolina, Michigan, Kansas City (next year), and soon internationally. It’s really become a movement…
For more about the event itself: http://www.youngchicagoauthors.org
The current spate of high school violence in Chicago, is that affecting Louder Than a Bomb at all?
For information on screenings: email ltab@siskeljacobs.com
Sure…It sounds way more complicated than it is, but here goes: Kids/teachers from schools all over the Chicagoland area form teams during the school year. They work together to create both individual pieces and a group piece featuring four poets. Then, starting in February, the teams all come together (this year there are 100 teams) for a three-week festival. There, each team competes in 4-team “bouts”…Each bout consists of 4 individual rounds, followed by the group piece round. The poems are judged on a scale of 1-10. Whichever team finishes with the most points, moves on, until there are four finalists. This year, the finals will be at the Cadillac Theater in Chicago, which seats around 2000, so you can tell how big a deal it has become in the city…
But, as they all say, “the point is not the points, the point is the poetry” – so all that stuff about the rounds and the bouts is just an excuse to give kids a safe space to speak their minds and find their voices, and to bring all corners of the city together to listen to their stories.
Our “kids” are all grown up. Nate graduated from Vanderbilt is getting his MFA in the creative writing program at the University of Michigan; Nova graduated from Smith and is getting ready to go to med school; Adam graduated from Hampshire and is teaching at an experimental high school in Chicago; Lamar is a teaching artist for Young Chicago Authors in Chicago; Jésus is teaching karate to special needs kids; and Kira, Kevin, and Big C are all pursuing creative projects. For the most part, so far so good!
About the Poets – Nate, Nova, Adam and the Steinmenauts
do school have funds for poetry teams in the same way they do for say sports? Since you released Louder Than a Bomb, has there been an uptick in kids trying outt for poetry teams? What kind of “requirements” are there for the teams?
That was just their entourage! The teams themselves consist of 4-8 poets. So there was a core group of Steinmenauts who competed, but then a whole bunch of kids who just liked hanging around and supporting them, whether they wrote or not. The kind of success they had can really start to change the culture at a school – it’s like a sports team, but located somewhere between school and hip-hop…
Hello, Greg
Thanks for being here tonight. I recommended that FDL feature this film during Movie Night. I remembered it from when I was in a documentary class at Columbia College Chicago. The class watched a rough-cut and attempted to help with the development of a study guide that could be used in schools with the film.
Also, some of the scenes in the film were filmed at Columbia because the competition has been held there. Columbia is right in the middle of downtown Chicago.
What is striking is how LTAB gives students an outlet for their mind and creativity that standardized tests will never provide. Many of these poems are incredibly stirring and powerful.
Along the lines of what Lisa asked, what can you share about these teams and the resources that schools put into them? Were any of these teams at schools where they were in danger of being cut? Does this work as an after school program? Are the coaches primarily teachers that volunteer?
Absolutely. I mean, it affected the kids back in 07-08, when we were shooting the film. That year, I think more than 30 CPS students were killed, so the Steinmetz piece “Counting Graves” is really a distillation of the kind of stress that so many of these kids are under every day, and the impact violence has on their lives. So as the violence gets worse, and its grip tightens on certain neighborhoods in the city, the kids just naturally end up writing about it. One of the most powerful things about being at LTAB is hearing the tragic variety of ways violence impacts their lives. And one of the most powerful things about participating in LTAB is the chance to get your particular story off your chest, and tell the world…
Hi Kevin…Typically, the teachers are volunteering their time, and the schools put little or no resources into the teams. So the Steinmetz coaches, for example, were constantly buying food for the students, etc., out of their own pockets. There are a couple of schools that do have well-funded programs, most notably Nova’s school, Oak Park-River Forest. There, the spoken word program is about 70 people, and they have quarterly showcases that hundreds of kids attend. Peter Kahn, Nova’s coach, was the only full-time spoken word teacher in Illinois, maybe even the country. So he’s really the exception to the rule…
It’s often hard for teachers to hold teams together, because there’s just so much going on in the kids’ lives – schoolwork, jobs, family problems, neighborhood violence, health/mental health issues – the list is endless. So the teachers who do manage to field teams and get them to the competition are really the heroes of this whole thing…
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How are students chosen for teams, is there an overflow of kids who want to be on them? Do coaches recruit form English and other classes?
The number of teams competing in Chicago’s LTAB has more than doubled since the film, which is amazing – they now come from all over the city, the suburbs, and even Indiana. But the beauty of the event is that it’s impact stays the same. And as I mentioned, working with Young Chicago Authors, we’ve been able to seed LTAB-style events in cities all over the country, and we think LTAB is viable nternationally. It’s just an amazingly powerful, bottom-up way to flip the script on the standard educational model – bring the world into the classroom and, as Kevin Coval likes to say, say to the kids “okay…tell me where you’re from.”
Following on Lisa’s question – are these programs after-school or during school hours? The coaches are volunteer – not paid for all their extra time? Does the school pick up any of the costs?
It really varies from school to school. At a lot of schools, they hold tryouts. At others, teachers just try to grab students they think might benefit from it. Peter Kahn, Nova’s coach, always talks about “the turtle”: the kid in the hoodie who starts out standing outside the room as the team practices; then he comes in and stands against the wall; then he sits at a desk, with his head on the desk and the hoodie over it (hence the turtle)…the process keeps going until he’s eventually up in front of his peers, reading a poem. And inevitable, the turtle ends up being one of the stars of the team.
My guess is that just about every LTAB coach has a turtle story…and that’s what keeps them doing it.
The programs are pretty much always after school (or, in the case of Nate’s team, before school). So it can be hard to keep kids motivated to come to practice. But once January rolls around, the rhythm of the LTAB season kicks in, and in most cases, the teams really buckle down and work incredibly hard.
This year’s 2013 competition – starting Feb 21st – Mar 2nd – prelims, the beginning sessions.
Do the coaches turn kids on to poets/spoken word artists like Gil Scott-Heron, Allen Ginsberg, Henry Rollins, Wanda Coleman, etc?
In other words is there a reading component as well as a writing?
And for any teachers or organizers out there who might be interested in launching an LTAB-type event in their communities, Young Chicago Authors – the organization that founded & runs Louder Than a Bomb – would love to help! They’re at youngchicagoauthors.org…
Starting your own LTAB Team
What else can you share about the impact of the film? Are teams competing in the competition aware a movie was made on LTAB? Has your film inspired poets to be as good as Adam, Lamar, Nate or Nova because they’ve seen their performances?
Definitely. In a way, the slam becomes a kind of poetry gateway drug. A student might come to it because he or she loves rap and already writes rhymes. So the pedagogy of LTAB gets them talking about the artists they like – Tupac, say, or Lupe Fiasco – and also about their own lives. As the act of writing takes hold, the kids start discovering other influences outside that initial circle. So maybe they find Langston Hughes, or Ginsberg, or Patricia Smith, and it goes from there. And the Young Chicago Authors folks really stress craft. So there’s a certain degree of peer pressure that takes hold – you see other kids who are really focused on the form, and so you start to do the same. It doesn’t necessarily work for every kid, but when it does, it’s really powerful. In the film, Lamar is probably the most potent example of that…
It’s been incredible for us to see the effect the film has had…We just set out to make an entertaining movie, so the fact that it has had such a concrete impact is a constant source of surprise and joy for us. First, there’s the effect it’s had on the growth of Chicago’s LTAB; then there are all the new LTABs springing up; and finally, there’s the educational DVD & curriculum, which is being shown in schools around the world. But for us, maybe the most inspiring thing has been that the response from teenagers, teachers, and adults who have nothing to do with poetry or education has been equally emotional – the film just seems to connect with people, which is amazing.
What is your next project now?
educational version: http://rocoeducational.com/film.php?filmID=LTB
LTAB on Facebook: Louder Than a Bomb documentary
LTAB Twitter: @louderthanabombfilm
Oh, and yes, the kids in the competition definitely know about the film, and the poems of Nate, Nova, Lamar, etc. are like texts for them to study from…It’s also how Nate, Lamar, and Nova boost their Facebook friend totals – whenever there’s a screening, they suddenly get a surge of FB requests & Twitter followers from kids in that city…
Is there an archive of the poems from LTAB?
Well, we also do TV documentaries for networks like National Geographic, History, etc., so that’s what we’ve been focused on lately. We’re also still trying to spread the word about Louder Than a Bomb, so that is still an active part of our work – my ultimate goal is to get a National Poetry Month screening of the film at the White House, so if anyone here can help us make that happen, let me know!
You can find most of the poems from the film, as well as new work from Lamar, Nate, & Nova, deleted scenes, etc. at our YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/siskeljacobs
And to hear a trove of poems from multiple years of LTAB in Chicago, go to http://www.wbez.org/series/ltab
How did Oprah get involved with your film?
Next week we have HIT SO HARD, The Life and Near Death of Patti Schemele Patti was the drummer for Hole.
Back in 2009-2010, Oprah’s new network, OWN, teamed up with a great independent film company, ro•co films, to curate what was called the OWN Documentary Club. Once the network launched, they premiered a new documentary a month for about year under the Doc Club banner. The host of the series was Rosie O’Donnell, who it turns out is a huge doc fan. She really fell in love with LTAB (and Adam Gottlieb in particular!)…So it was the combination of Oprah, the folks at ro•co, and Rosie who threw their support behind the film and decided to air it.
Greg, what are next projects?
We’ve got a lot of ideas, but nothing we’re committed to yet – we’re waiting for the next accident to inspire us!
Are you and Jon still going to screenings?
Kevin, thanks for turning us on to Louder Than a Bomb, and Greg thank you for being here tonight!
Please keep us updated on your next project–we’d love to have you back!
We are still going to screenings all over the place, as are the kids. In fact, just about a week ago, I was at a screening with Nate down at the University of Chicago. One of the most fun parts of this has been giving the kids the opportunity to travel all over the country to attend festivals and screenings – experiences they otherwise wouldn’t have had. Needless to say, audiences love them, and they always end the Q&A session with a performance, which is great.
If anyone out there is interested in hosting a screening, feel free to get in touch with us at ltab@siskeljacobs.com and we’ll help you work out the details.
Thanks, Lisa! I really enjoyed the conversation, and we’ll definitely let you know when the next project is in the works…