Il Divo — Notte di Luce (Nights in White Satin), live in Barcelona.
What’s on your mind?
The Lake has lost another stellar voice, Suz…! 8-(
g’evening pups. what a sad day today has been…
aloha tut — how’s paradise tonight?
Not a pleasant day, all the way around, the Better Half was served foreclosure papers today…! 8-(
do ya have any options tut?
OK, this week sucks bad. WTF, CT?
hey bg — how ya doing tonight?
Some, Suz…! It’s not a done deal yet…!
i’ll be keeping my fingers and toes crossed and sending out warm postitive thoughts that it works out for ya dood
It’s a long story, bg, but, we’d already agreed to a repayment schedule(in writing!) as to arears, yet, on the same day, they’d filed suit to foreclose on Maintenance Fees…!
The family issued a statement tonight to try to straighten out the media a bit. I have learned something from this. We all need to leave our biased ideas about people out of these tragedies and unhook from the media frenzy. So much shit out there. It is a terrible tragedy, we need to mourn. The poor family, how does one get past it, and how to take care of the child? It is so sad.
This is all the stuff that FDL has reported again and again. The illegalities of applying payments, their agreements they make but don’t honor, it is endless. I had no idea you have been battling this. I am sick. Did you see the PBS on it, Frontline? Just tonight, Fuck Lanny Breuer.
tis the parts of this kind of tragedy that folks don’t usually think about… having to deal with media while reeling from the shock and loss while trying to keep it all together while at the same time dealing with complex legal decisions….
fork — i forgot to set the dvr… i’ll record its rerun early thursday morning…
and clean up, was thinking about that tonight. Terrible.
I’d read an article that stated the son was looking for more to kill during his spree…! 8-(
once the scene has been forensically cleared, it would be best to have it cleaned by one of those crime scene cleaner companies….. they have all the enzymes etc for cleaning
SheeeeeIT…do not go quietly into that good night Citizen Tutman. Now, while even the community banks are playin’ foreclosure games on their own mortgage holdings, bankruptcy and foreclosure specialists in the legal profession have taken their steroids and you should have a fightin’ chance if ya can access one of them.
Awe God dam it all ta hell anyway!
hey norske — how ya doing tonight?
Good evening Suzanne and pups,
Nothing too chipper here either, sad about all the crap going down, CT, Barbara, everyone, by the tone of some of the post responses here recently, I’m a bit flummoxed myself.
Saw Frontline, geeze they should have had that out four years ago but presented like they just figured in out in the last month or so.
*heh* Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away…! ;-)
“…how ya doin’ tonight?”
Well I was doin’ really well until I stopped by this place and ran into a all this shit goin’ down. Now who did we lose today that Brother CT was referencing at #1 up stream?
hey nonq — i really dislike it when they do that….
how ya doing tonight?
What truly sad day at the lake.
And Tut, I truly feel for ya. Hopefully, you can get some help, somewhere.
Bg, I’ve seen you make some comments, did you know the family that got killed in NM? So sad.
On the bright side, I only have a cold.
we lost scarecrow norske
hey tuez — it really sucks when having a cold is good news…. i heard it was perfectly warm today down in your neck of the woods
wanted to say hi at least to you all late-nighter’s especially since I saw about scarecrow. It is a sad day.
Another Nam vet, Scarecrow, Brother Norske…! 8-(
hey ks — how’s ks tonight? good to see your fonts again
How are folks in the FDL command-post dealin’ with losin’ the Scarecrow…must be a whole lot a tears and white knuckles around HQ. Is anythin’ bein organized for Firepups ta pay respects?
I’m OK, the crap is flying so fast in the State there aren’t enough fingers to put in the leaking dam. Secret meetings up north by WI R legislators last week, meeting with local officials selling the Bad River watershed, Walker sending secret official proclamations to right to lifers, honoring their work and a full scale attack re-instituted on public education in favor of vouchers on several fronts.
Biggest is the loss of John C today and Tut, I am sorry to hear about your news.
a whole lotta tears norske. right now, just having the cyber wake in that thread for his family to read later. we just found out this afternoon.
No, perfectly chilly day in my neck of the woods. I’m sitting here in sweats; it’s that cold.
hiya Suzzz — sorry to hear the news of scarecrow, sad day.
yikes — tis going to hell in a hand basket as my dad would say … all kinda secret shit going on in some state governments this week. like they are using the inauguration as cover for their dickishness
Well that settles it, CT, I’m goin ta DC ta visit “The Wall” on the way down ta Florida the end of February…I have hard-core avoided the place all these years…and since I was stationed in DC at Walter Reed in ’66 I have had no desire to see the place again. But that’s all changed now, things have been handed off ta the kids and us old folks left hafta get straight with our history before there are non left to grieve.
i did hear you were forecast to dip down to 60 but thought that was later in the week? steph said it was great today
hey ppd — how ya doing tonight?
Our progressive candidate for Congress who lost a bitter primary battle is the uncle of the boy. Uncle lives in my neighborhood, was our City Councillor and a former State Senator. I saw him just last week at a small meeting, we have been supporting a re-districting lawsuit. We have known each other for years, and he took the loss hard, just now coming up for air a bit, so this is really beyond devastating. The way the press characterizes and reports stories does not tell much about the people, we jump to conclusions, allow our biases to run at full speed, and say mean and horrid things about people we don’t know. It is just awful, on top of the mourning, which should be about all we do, IMO, at this point.
Imma okay Suz!
it’s cold and clear here abt 20F.
But the night of the lunar/Jupiter collusion wuz cloudy
I guess we just have to recall SD and Never. Give. Up. That seems to be what we have to do.
The main thing I liked (besides the arts, poem/music) at the Inaugural is that I love seeing the BO family, how it irritates the hell out of the racists.
I heard the “Drum Major Instinct” speech by MLK, not sure if it was the first time or just the first time I Heard It.
i’d been socked in with fog and/or cloudy skies for almost 2 weeks. finally had my first clear night a couple nights ago and the stars were magnificent! it was way too forking cold to be outside to stargaze tho
my iTunes type thing keeps pumping out oldies,
funny things like Delbert McLinton … must be sumthin in the water ;-)
unbreak my heart
Hello to all the LLN grieving and worrying firedogs. What an evening, hmmm? I was so shocked to see Jane’s post this afternoon. I had noticed he hadn’t been writing, last seen saying he was feeling pretty well after getting on the experimental meds. Was so hoping he could beat the thing.
Another friend’s father died last week after breaking a hip, just before he was to move to hospice care. So sad, but he was in his late 80′s. Of course, I suppose to 20 and 30-somethings, late sixties is old enough, too. Never easy.
And tut, I had no idea you were facing foreclosure. Is it a condo, since you mention maintenance fees? Sure hope you can work it out; hard to know what advice to give, since working with banks today is like wandering into a Kafka novel. Do you have a lawyer? If nothing else, filing bankruptcy stays foreclosure. But it’s all state law, so I dare not give real advice, knowing nothing of Hawaii’s property law. Not to mention that condos are a strange beast in the zoo of real property, anyway.
Wishing you the best of luck, and legal counsel who knows the legal maze.
delbert! (as thatguy would say)
hey tejan — how ya doing tonight?
the impossible dream
Just sad. I didn’t know John except for his writing, but his writing was so good. Whenever you saw a Scarecrow post you stopped to read it, and it was alwaysworth reading. But I’ve already missed his posts, and so close after Richard, it just feels unbearably sad.
Personally, I’m ok except that the ears are still blocked up. Starting to wonder if I’m going to finally go deaf…probably not. Just a pain, mostly.
Barbara – so sorry that that terrible tragedy was so close to someone you know. I have not seen much news about it at all — you know, so many new tragedies driving out the news of the older ones. Didn’t realize a child survived. I can’t imagine dealing with all of that plus, as you and Suze said, the press and everything else. Absolutely horrible.
What moved me about the sad news about the loss of Scarecrow (and thanks, demi, for the first “caw”) was the ingathering of so many oldtimers who don’t comment much anymore. Firedoglake has been such a special place for so many years, and it was good to see some old friends check in. There is a comfort in that kind of real care.
Or give in, to hate or anger or injustice. Went through litany of MLK Jr speeches. I remember where I was then, the day before my birthday.
I downloaded songs like Tom Paxton’s latest here: (does not auto play) “How Beautiful upon the mountain” and a couple others who have had meaning and inspiration in my life.
We seek solace where we can in these times and I am grateful I fell into the Lake here not too very long ago.
Thanks for filling me in.
The problem, as I see it, is that society is rotting from the head down with some mission creep from the bottom. Our all war, all the time, ethos has permeated our entire culture.
People know they are getting screwed, they just can’t intellectualize it, so they turn violent.
it really does feel like a one two punch… so very sad and both men that i felt like i knew – and as you said, when ya saw their names, ya knew it would be good.
when did the doc say that your ear should start to unplug?
hey dearie — how ya doing tonight?
wish I could have everyone over tonight,
I got a bunch of eggs + I don’t mind sharing.
Whaddya want? scrambled, omelettes, fried, poached or boiled?
got peppers and onions and other omelete fixin’ stuff.
cuz I know some people be drinkin and some eggs after a night will help in the AM.
eggs to order, wha’ddlye have?
Norske, are you still here? I can’t presume to predict your reaction, but other vets I’ve known have found The Wall profoundly moving, and I’ve never met one who was sorry he went.
My only experience with it is collateral; my ex’s brother was killed during Tet of ’68, (iirc), and it pretty well destroyed the family; his mother never recovered. My ex and I visited the wall when he went to meet my family in Maryland, and he was actually comforted from having located his brother’s name.
I hope that if you decide to go, you will feel as positive about having gone.
Good to see you around the Lake.
I’m good. We’re warm again in south California.
Did you see that Pachacutec posted on Emptywheel at the bmaz thread? I’ve been lurking for so long that I get confused. I still miss LooseHeadProp. Oh well.
i’ll take a ‘surprise me’ omlette ks…. and i got a fresh pot of coffee going for those needing a cup
i’ve been flipping back and forth between the two threads…. so good to see some of those not seen in a long time fonts again
I got avacados and olives and green onions!
That’s a kind offer. Thought of making an omelette for dinner myself, tonight, but didn’t get around to it.
Dearie – what you said: it’s just like a real-life funeral or wake; all the friends and family members you haven’t seen for ages turn up again. I’ve attended several rosaries in the last several years, usually for someone’s parent, and it’s always bittersweet to see the folks you haven’t hung out with for awhile, as families grew and jobs took more time and etc., etc. Wakes and funerals;we get together there. Suppose it’s always been that way.
I’ve got to take my stuffed up head to bed.
oh yeah (in best ferris bueller voice)
Hey, tejana, my daughter married a VietNam vet. He’s my age. It’s been an interesting experience. I lost friends and would probably weep at the wall. My daughter is just middle aged now, and she doesn’t exactly understand what it was all about. They have two little boys together and he has an older son who is my daughter’s age. We, as a society/community/country need to grow up and understand the mixing and mingling and just, for gawd’s sake, grow up!
We all need to visit more often! When my dad was turning 90, he didn’t want any celebration, but my sibs and I contacted all the cousins and my dad’s cousins and threw a get-together. We’d had enough of funerals. We said, come now…. let’s enjoy each other in the present. Had a great turn out. And my dad really enjoyed it.
I keep wondering if Looseheadprop is posting under her own name. Someone directly asked the poster I’m thinking of if she was lhp, but the question wasn’t answered.
It was great to see Christy’s comment on the Scarecrow thread. I still miss her. What she brought to the Lake has never really been replaced. And she was really good at keeping misunderstandings and brief flares of anger from getting out of control.
tonights frontline show talked about way upthread is up now at pbs…
I miss CHS around here. She Did have a good way and always was able to keep a positive drift to things. I mostly stay out of the frays when they come, and they come often enough. I understand some of the smackdowns, but it does get kind of crazy now and then.
was christy that started pull up a chair when jane’s mom died iirc
Christy is a gem. I’m glad she has her own blog that is less stressful for her. The thing that I admired about John/Scarecrow is that he, also, was able to cool the jets, as it were. I recall one of those “we gotta get activated” threads at myFDL that he brought some clarity and calmness to. He was a gem.
I think the child is the teenager who was the person who killed the others. Doubly tragic if that is adequate to begin to describe it. A year younger than my kid and I’m concerned about things like her finishing HS with a diploma.
Wow. Bet that is an interesting experience. I sure can’t claim to understand the experience of a soldier (sailor or marine) who was in the fighting, not at all. But I remember the atmosphere in the country, the polarization, the splits in families — had to live a Thanksgiving dinner early once, as an argument got going. So many of the hard feelings and accusations of today have their roots in those times. Parallels are drawn where there really are none, but some divisions really have never shifted.
I like your story about your dad’s 90th birthday. My mom insisted she wanted no special to-do, and I honored it. Would have been very hard to do otherwise, as the only child and living 2000 miles away. Pretty tough to organize a surprise party. The close relatives came to visit individually over the two weeks or so around the date.
She actually is pretty uncomfortable in large groups these days, so I’m not sure the result would have been as it was with your dad.
But I agree in principle; more getting together with friends and family would be a good thing. Too bad economics and work=all-the-time expectations get in the way.
I was very new to the blogosphere then, and I lurked at breakfast mostly. I am thinking that I first ventured into the waters at LLN, but so many of the posters have come and gone over the years, it’s hard to remember the history sometimes, until days like today when all kinds of old relatives come around.
I loved Christy’s legal posts, she always had a way to explain what was going on so that people like me with little legal knowledge could understand it. ew is freaking awesome, but she goes right into the weeds, and it is hard to keep up with all of it. I so respect all the people who can just keep going at it day after day. Scarecrow was like that.
i’ve always thought the abilities of the front page writers was only matched by that of our commenters… something happens and we usually have someone in our community who knows about the subject — like lobster and nuclear reactors. i’ve been in awe of this place the first time i read a post here way way back in the day.
Oh, oh wow. Absolutely cannot imagine how a surviving relative like Barb’s friend manages to cope. Can you forgive such an act?
I admit it, I’m glad to not be the parent of a teen-ager now. So very many things to worry about that once were not even on our radar.
Suze – I think I must have arrived when PUAC was already going…I can’t remember Jane’s mom dying…geez, my early fdl days are already kinda lost in the mists of time…it was before the Lamont campaign…
I think I got her from a link somewhere, and discovered Christy’s wonderful posts on the recent WV coal mine accident. It was current news, and she was writing frequently; probably during the period the miners were trapped.
Never would have guessed I’d still be here and fdl would be so central to my days so many years later.
token looks like his eyeballs are gonna float away… guess i had better say g’nite and let the little guy go save a tree.
thank you all for being here.
Oh, I like that: when old relatives come around. That’s the real community that Jane got going here, I think. We’ve lost some wonderful old relatives, but there is still a community that cares. And the general falling-apart of our society has not made that easy.
So true. I love Marcy, but sometimes my eyes glaze over and I want to take an editor’s pencil to her writing. Chop those sentences down and make sure all the pronouns have clear antecedents!
Yes, very weedy. She knows her stuff, but I can’t always read her longer pieces.
As you say, Christy and Scarecrow were very good at clarity and simplifying enough that non-experts could follow the points they were making.
I guess the Libby trial was really “the good ol’ days.” And of course, I enjoyed the delivery of the rubber stamps to congress—managed to contribute to that piece of drama.
Can you forgive such an act?
Not knowing the background situation all I can say is probably. This is still a child, after all.
You have a big heart.
A belated good night to Suzanne. And a virtual hug to ctuttle, who seems to have left the party. Hoping things work out for you, tut.
Think I’d better go to sleep, too. Good night everyone, and may you all have a better day tomorrow.
I think he really is just a child, someone who did not grasp the reality of what he was doing, even though it was over a period of hours, if the truth has been reported. They are planning to prosecute as an adult. But it is hard to call it “sociopathic” just yet. He was a good kid that no one in the family could have imagined would do this, the guns were in a closet, again, if the press has reported the truth. No one saw it coming.
This is the stuff that is maddening in terms of the gun issue. He never was in trouble with the law, had no record, was a regular kid until this happened. I can just say that I recall my nephew getting sullen and sort of angry when he got to that age. I would wonder, “Where is our little happy boy?”
When does that go to the unimaginable thing that happened here? He was too young to get a gun, but there were plenty around. He had no history, all the “tests” we talk about to keep the guns away would not have applied, up until the moment he snapped, whatever happened.
GN, suz, tj, CT. Sleep tight.
Hello to you also, didn’t want to miss saying it. Hope everything is mostly fine with you.
Goodn night, Suzanne and everybody.
A Dream like Mine
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