Gosh, I envy folks who manage to come up with something to write down on a weekend like this one. I was really proud of the producers of Saturday Night Live, who opened the show with a choir of children singing “Silent Night.” And our own contributors on Sunday — Glenn Smith and masaccio, among others — were joined by Peterr and our own team at their own joints, like Cocktailhag, and our alumnae like emptywheel, all of whom had remarkable reflections and thoughts and elegies to offer.
I wish I did.
I find myself in the place of wanting the world to be so completely different from the way it is now that I can’t see how to get there, or even close to there, from where we are now. I know there are cultures, not terribly far away or even different from our own, where (to take one example) a potential gun owner must wait up to 60 days for an ownership permit application to be approved, an application that must come with two recommendations as to gun ownership fitness and course completion, too. When I hear that, I think, well — that’s a start. That would get us partly to the culture I would prefer. It’s not completely there, but it’s a beginning.
And I realize that even that small step could not be possible, given the odds we face.
I mean, we have a national legislature that, when faced with the immediate prospect of one of their own members being shot in the face who barely escaped alive — could not act. America has seen college kids, high school kids, moviegoers and worshipers: all cut down in the prime of their lives with no action to redeem their sacrifice. No action taken means we don’t really value their sacrifice, or value it enough to take the fight to those who enable the killing.
I mean, Gabby Giffords couldn’t return to her job among them. And they applauded and cried when she led the pledge at their national convention. But they did not act. Absent losing a family member to gun violence, I don’t know how much closer-to-home it gets than that. But they could not act. For about 45 minutes that morning, the “news” from Arizona had her dead. And she came back!
But they would not act.
So I don’t see us getting anywhere with this new national conversation about guns. Oh, sure, I suppose Senator Feinstein’s bold plan to take us back to the 1992 status quo, when assault weapons were “banned,” is a start. But tremendous political capital will be expended to pass that law again, and it puts us where we were two decades ago.
Is that really progress in protecting America’s schoolkids from atrocities like Friday’s?
Shouldn’t we go further? Should we have a move to repeal the second amendment, the one that’s been perverted to mean that anyone in need of mental health treatment can instead buy any number of untraceable guns and ammo for whatever twisted purpose he has in mind? America’s highest court thinks Amendment TWO means a well-regulated militia is everybody-for-himself. Those who want/like/love/fetishize guns claim (again) the solution to events like schooltime shoot-em-ups is more guns in more schools in more teachers’ hands. The solution to terror in a dark theater is more shooters, more arms, more shots fired.
I say: can we simply skip from Amendment the First to Number Three?
I don’t look forward to this new National Conversation about Gun Safety, because I think it will get us nowhere. I’m willing to sign petitions, write some blogposts, pass along pithy comparisons to other countries on Facebook, and laugh hard at people like Bill Bennett and Louie Gohmert for their contributions to the discussion. But I don’t think anything’s going to change.
Why not?
Because if it was changeable, we’ve had the chance to change it. This wasn’t the first opportunity to change it. Hell, Friday’s atrocity wasn’t even last week‘s first opportunity to talk about how to change things. We’ve had Australia’s example in front of us for some time, with the usual inaction on our part. If Americans wanted things to change, they would have changed by now.
I don’t think America really wants this changed. Which means there will soon be more dead people at the hands of madmen who couldn’t get help they needed, but could get guns they wanted.



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Teddy!
I am afraid that I have nothing useful to add to the debate either. Worth noting that 15 of the 25 worst mass killings in the past 50 years occurred in the US and number two (Finland) only had two. According to the CDC, 11,493 of the 16,799 homicides in this country in 2009 were firearm deaths.
While it’s true that people kill people, it is undeniable that guns make that a whole helluva lot easier and more convenient for the killer. It’s still possible to drive a nail without a hammer but it’s a lot harder. Just sayin’.
teddy… i feel the same and have the same worries. but i must hope that we can… otherwise the despair is too great.
Hi Teddy.
I suspect that you’re right and there is a slim chance of meaningful change. Solving this national dilemma (both with gun regulation that means something and by starting to take mental health care seriously) will cost money and political capital, and I don’t really think that either the fiscal or the political will exists to do that.
The crazy thing is the mother had a mentally unstable son living in the house but she was a prepper who figured she needed a freakin’ arsenal (a .223 rifle, really?) to be ready for the End Times.
The mother went through CT’s training class and background check to get a permit, and her rifle was registered (and otherwise legal under CT’s “assault weapons” ban). The aggravating thing is its pretty much impossible coming up with a gun control law (that has any hope of passing) that would have prevented this. It would probably require a reform of the mental health system to reduce the odds of something like this from happening again. And I guess schools will be tightening up safety procedures.
I suppose it wouldn’t hurt to make the instant background check system less stupid. Grocery stores selling beer and cigarettes don’t run background checks to see if the buyer’s old enough. They just ask to see their driver’s license.
Put it on state DMVs to note on the license if the ID holder is a felon, minor (which it already does of course) or some other prohibited category. Then make it a federal crime to sell a gun without checking license.
When someone is newly convicted of a felony or subject to a no-gun restraining order, the judge could order his license stamped with a hole puncher. Whether he gets a new, updated license or tries to use his existing one (with a hole punched in it), the gun seller will know to steer clear.
And as the stats I posted show, guns account for a hell of a lot of homicides here.
Or do as some other countries do (as Teddy points out), make folks wait up to 60 days for clearance to allow for a proper background check. We could also limit the amount of ammunition a person can buy and ban high capacity clips.
…the political will exists to do that.
Or any f*cking other thing, for that matter, EDP…! 8-(
Yep. My point is that the whole “people kill people” argument is disingenuous because guns make it so convenient to kill, how many fewer homicides would there have been if the killers had not had such a convenient way to kill? I’m thinking a LOT! Most of those people would be too afraid to walk up close enough to somebody to put themselves at risk. If they couldn’t get a gun, they probably would be forced to deal with their problems in a less deadly way.
Yep. Guns let you kill at a distance, without endangering yourself and allow you to kill more people than you could with a knife or a club.
I think licensing is a great start too. And I’m not talking about these one or two hour bullshit classes where they give you all the answers. I’m talking more on the order of drivers’ ed classes that take weeks or months. As part of those classes, expose them to graphic photos and maybe a field trip to a big city morgue.
Ain’t that the truth.
Sounds fine to me. It’s past time for some of these gun nuts to learn that rights come with attendant responsibilities.
In the past decade, armed assaults have increased by 50% but the homicide rate has actually dropped. A better question is how many more homicides would there be without people like Dr Dick? :o)
The number of U.S. homicides has been falling for two decades, but America has become no less violent. Crime experts who attribute the drop in killings to better policing or an aging population fail to square the image of a more tranquil nation with this statistic: The reported number of people treated for gunshot attacks from 2001 to 2011 has grown by nearly half… more people in the U.S. are getting shot, but doctors have gotten better at patching them up. Improved medical care doesn’t account for the entire decline in homicides but experts say it is a major factor.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324712504578131360684277812.html
I couldn’t agree more. Get training and demonstrate that you can safely handle and care for a weapon (quite common in Europe), then get a license to own a gun and permits for every gun which is subject to annual inspection. Also require psychological screening along with a criminal background check. then limit the number of guns you can own and the amount of ammunition you can buy per month/year.
Yep. And they should have to pay for a mental health evaluation too. I’m all for responsible people being able to own, (but not necessarily pack), a firearm, at least until some of the guns already in the hands of violent criminals come out but they need to demonstrate responsibility and stability first and foremost. This crap of the jilted boyfriend going to a gun show and leaving with an automatic handgun or the pissed off disgruntled employee going to a gun store and leaving with a shotgun has got to stop.
Wrong kind of Dr, I am afraid. I am also a gun owning native of Oklahoma, so maybe I am wrong on that account as well. On the other hand, I have never killed anybody, despite having owned guns most of my adult life.
Great minds again. See mine at 16.
the mother worked in financial services,and was a doomsday prepper…the kid growing up in that paranoid environment didnt stand a chance imo
over 95,000 peeps in the US were shot last year
With that, I’ve got to get into my bed. Tomorrow comes early and I’m looking at a busy week. Oya!
It’s pretty simple for me–what kind of guns did our founding fathers have? Did they use automatics to kill their dinners? No. Let people have guns but not big or automatic enough to kill dozens of people in one swath. Just allow what The Rifleman had. That should be enough for Southern Sportsmen.
I do not think anyone except police and trained security personnel should be allowed to carry guns in public. As to the whole gun show thing, I am all for a law which says all gun sales must go through a federally licensed firearms dealer, who is legally responsible for making sure that the buyer meets all the criteria for ownership.
While I’m normally not into blaming the victim, in this case, she raised him, she apparently left her weapons freely accessible to him. She has to bear some of the blame.
Noticed that. I think we are siblings of different parents. We are certainly more alike than my actual sister and I are.
Could not agree more on both. And now, it’s to bed for sure!
one dumbass shoe bomber,is responsible for millions upon millions removing shoes before flying…will,there is always will,for somethings
Good evening, all.
Good suggestions here. Can’t say I see us having the political will to do this, but that White House petition that went up Friday afternoon has more the 125,000 signatures already.
Well, my mom was from Oklahoma….
Night! Sleep well. I am going to enjoy sleeping in tomorrow, as I am officially off for the next couple of weeks. Sadly I do have to go in for a bit around noon tomorrow.
he was already impaired,horrible combination,of fate and availability
“make folks wait up to 60 days for clearance to allow for a proper background check. We could also limit the amount of ammunition a person can buy and ban high capacity clips.”
We could, but that would do nothing about the millions upon millions of weapons and high capacity magazine already in private hands. Trying to enact that would use up a bank vault of political capital with not much to show for it even if it passes. Of course if Congress does try to ban assault rifles again, I’d suggest they use the original German word instead of the translation, Sturmgewehr. :o)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44
Uh-oh!
sleep well!
I think annual ‘gun tests’ for all Gun Holders, under a ‘driver’s licensing’ regime would be most apropo…! ;-)
yes
gun owneship is a privledge works for me
That is the other piece to all of this. We need to improve gun security. In Britain, you have to have a gun safe to store firearms or take other precautions. Every year, about 600,000 guns are stolen from private owners and 30,000 are lost or stolen from dealers.
Actually meant I was going to hang out for a while in the knowledge that I could sleep in tomorrow.
these stringent laws followed SCHOOL shootings,lets hope,this has made me truly sick inside
goody we love you muchly!
im gnoing to put up a big privacy fence,fom the gun fancier next door
The feeling is mutual. Sunday nights with Teddy and the regulars is a special part of my week that I cherish.
May want to armor the side facing him. You also need to remind him about legal liability issues should rounds go astray (and your eagerness to pursue such remedies).
i am a little afraid to stir the pot,my friend says i should call the game warden,since he already hunted on my property without my permission
Definitely do that and let him know that he cannot bully or intimidate you.
a big hulky friend of mine is moving in one of the bedrooms i will feel more brave after this
i wrote about the target,well that has fallen over so,i guess i will show pic to GW
LOL! It is sad that you have to deal with this, but if you do not stand up to him now, it will only get worse.
i think i will retire(not to Bedlam),but the shootings have made me uneasy,and sleepless,poor dear little souls,kids are the real worthwhile of the human species…good nite all
i could move to Yurp,where sanity still exists
Night! Try to sleep well.
thanks DicDoc…..im really tired of the master race Merika
Think I will toddle off as well as no one else seems to be around.
Or Canadia
I’m here, just reading. Cried at SNL opening. You all say such things I feel.
Good night, all. And thanks.
On the contrary, Teddy. You knocked it out of the park. Another very thoughtful piece.