I don’t know about you but I am stuffed, so here’s some fruit for the breaking of the morning fast.
OK, today’s Book Salon, Slow Democracy is hosted by Riki Ott. And Tuesday we have a Book Salon special edition with Amy Goodman and her new book, Kit O’Connell hosts. Monday Movie Night features Who Bombed Judi Bari? You’ve read about this here before.
Here are your listings, I’m still hearing the cries of BENGHAZEH! over that fiscal cliff…
ABC’s This Week: Armed Services Committee member Sen. Lindsey Graham and Foreign Relations Committee member and Senate Majority Whip Sen. Dick Durbin. Then, actor and director Ben Affleck, founder of the Eastern Congo Initiative, and Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA) on the situation in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Roundtable: Matthew Dowd, Joe Klein, Ruth Marcus, Peggy Noonan, David Sanger.
CBS’ Face the Nation: Presidential authors Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jon Meacham, Evan Thomas, Bob Woodward.
Chris Hayes: Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN). Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor and publisher of The Nation magazine. Hussein Ibish, senior fellow at the American Task Force on Palestine and executive director of the Hala Salaam Maksoud Foundation for Arab-American Leadership. MSNBC contributor Rula Jebreal, also a contributor to Newsweek magazine. Tarek Masoud, associate professor of public policy at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. Reza Aslan, author of ”No god but God: The Origins, Evolution, and Future of Islam,” and an adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. Eli Lake, senior national security reporter for Newsweek and The Daily Beast. Heather Hurlburt, executive director of the National Security Network, a progressive think tank, and a former speechwriter and member of the policy planning team in the State Department under the Clinton administration.
CNN’s State of the Union: Retiring Senators Jon Kyl, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Joe Lieberman and Rep. Barney Frank reflect on their careers.
Fox News Sunday: Benghazi Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). Then, Matthew Shay, President and CEO of the National Retail Federation and John Sweeney, Executive Vice President of Fidelity Investments. Roundtable: Bill Kristol, Kirsten Powers, Liz Cheney, Juan Williams.
Moyers & Company: What It’s Like to Go to War. In this encore broadcast, Vietnam veteran and author Karl Marlantes explains what we need to understand about the minds and hearts of our modern warriors.
NBC’s Meet the Press: President Obama’s second term with documentarian Ken Burns; Vice Chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, Carly Fiorina; MSNBC’s Al Sharpton; New York Times columnist David Brooks; and NBC’s Andrea Mitchell. Then, the Chair of the Armed Services Committee Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY), and Chair of the Homeland Security Committee, Rep. Peter King (R-NY). Plus, Honeywell CEO David Cote.
Newsmakers: Service Employees International Union (SEIU) President Mary Kay Henry discusses the fiscal cliff and what unions, such as the SEIU, hope to see happen. She was at the White House last week for meetings that President Obama held over three days with labor & progressive groups, business leaders and members of Congress about the fiscal cliff. The SEIU and AFSME & the NEA are reported to be taking out ads soon “in the six figures” in support of President Obama on the fiscal cliff. Reporters: National Journal Tax and Budget Correspondent Nancy Cook and Bloomberg News Reporter Heidi Przybyla.
Q & A: Ted Widmer, editor of “Listening In: The Secret White House Recordings of John F. Kennedy.” The book contains two audio CDs with 75 minutes of recorded conversations from the oval office, cabinet meetings, telephone calls, and private dictations during Kennedy’s presidency. Mr. Widmer describes how he was approached by the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation to select and introduce and transcribe the recordings…
60 Minutes: Children Helping Children – Craig Kielburger has kept his promise to save children around the world, a mission he began 17 years ago when, as a child himself, he founded “Free the Children” — an organization now in 45 countries that empowers children to help other children. Scott Pelley reports.The New York City Ballet – 60 Minutes goes behind the curtain to show how Ballet Master in Chief Peter Martins works hard to build a new future for the New York City Ballet on the legacy of its founder, George Balanchine. Lesley Stahl reports. Lion Kings – Few people know more about lions than filmmakers Dereck and Beverly Joubert, who have been living in the bush and filming Africa’s big cats for 30 years. Lara Logan reports.
To the Contrary: Panelists discuss how holiday shopping could boost the economy before the so-called fiscal cliff. Then, the Church of England votes against allowing women bishops. And, Behind the Headlines: Working Mother Media President Carol Evans shares the challenges faced by hourly wage earners.
Univision’s Al Punto: Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R) Florida; Joaquin Castro, Congressman-elect Texas (D) District 20; Anabel Hernandez, Mexican Journalist and author of “Mexico en Llamas: El Legado de Calderon”; Enrique Acevedo, Univision Network News Anchor and host of the Documentary “Fuerzas Comando”; Roxana Soto and Ana Flores, Authors “Bilingual is Better.”
Virtually Speaking: Off tonight.
FDL’s Book Salon: Slow Democracy: Rediscovering Community and Bringing Decision Making Back Home. “Just as slow food encourages chefs and eaters to become more intimately involved with the production of local food, and slow money helps us become more engaged with our local economy, slow democracy encourages us to govern ourselves locally with processes that are inclusive, deliberative, and citizen powered. In Slow Democracy, community leader Susan Clark and democracy scholar Woden Teachout document the range of ways that citizens around the country are breathing new life into participatory democracy in their communities.” Chat with Susan Clark and Woden Teachout about their new book, hosted by Riki Ott. 5pm ET.
FDL’s Book Salon Tuesday Special: The Silenced Majority: Stories of Uprisings, Occupations, Resistance, and Hope. “In this New York Times Best Seller, Amy Goodman and Denis Moynihan provide a vivid record of the events, conflicts, and social movements shaping our society today. They give voice to ordinary people standing up to corporate and government power across the country and around the world. Their writing and daily work at the grassroots public TV/radio news hour Democracy Now!, carried on more than a thousand stations globally and at democracynow.org, casts in stark relief the stories of the silenced majority. These stories are set against the backdrop of the mainstream media’s abject failure, with its small circle of pundits who know so little about so much, attempting to explain the world to us and getting it so wrong.” Come chat with author Amy Goodman, hosted by Kit O’Connell. Tuesday, 2:00p ET.
FDL’s Movie Night Monday: Who Bombed Judi Bari? “A news anchor reports while graphic news coverage of a terrorist car bomb attack in 1990 in Oakland, CA is shown. Two Earth First! activists are immediately blamed by the FBI for bombing themselves. We learn that the victim/suspects Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney have later sued the FBI and Oakland Police and that Judi Bari is now dying of cancer before her case goes to trial. Weak though defiant, she gives her deposition, on camera, just a month before she dies.” See also Leighton Woodhouse’s article at The Dissenter. Come discuss the movie and the case with host Lisa Derrick and her guests, 8pm ET, Monday.
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Thanks, Elliott. Where did you hide Sen. McAyn? Cannot imagine how anyone shut the braying elephants out for blood up today. Still shopping, I guess.
Oh, McCain is there, relegated to Fox, but there. However Lindsay ‘Torgo to McCain’s Master’ Graham has ABC This Week covered so all is still well (Thank you, Salon for that relationship description).
What a huge friggin’ waste of time. Where are the labor leaders? Where are those calling for their elective representatives to represent those without the money to lobby them? And who the hell cares what Carly Fiorina says. A bad CEO, bad candidate, and a bad co-chair – only the rich can fail as spectacularly as Fiorina has several time and still be brought out as if they are relevant, instead of spending their remaining years greeting people at WalMart to keep a roof over their head and being an obscure Trivial Pursuit question.
Oh, you count Faux? Guess I just don’t even think of it since it’s deleted here, by me. Do not know why the Sunday nonsense pushers bother to show up at all since Up! replaced them with real stuff.
Good morning, pups. Mr. Blow and Mr. Kristof are off today, so we’re left with the dregs: The Pasty Little Putz, Dowd and Friedman. In “Our Enemy, The Payroll Tax” the Pasty Little Putz gurgles that both parties should do everything they can to make the payroll tax holiday permanent. He loves the idea, because then the Republicans can then start chipping away at the safety net all the while squealing that they’ve done wonderful things for the non-1%. That screeching harpy MoDo has a question: “But Can They Eat 50 Eggs?” She hisses that there are two Cool Hands with a grip on the nation’s capital. The president should take some leadership lessons from the new football wunderkind. I think her leftover turkey gravy has started to ferment, or her rolls had ergot in them… The Moustache of Wisdom takes a look at “Morsi’s Moment” and says the latest Israeli-Hamas conflict was as much a test for Egypt as anyone.
Here they are.
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and I’ve got a new waffle recipe: whole grain waffles with fruit and yogurt. (It’s not the time of year for strawberries, so I sauteed some Honeycrisp apples in a bit of butter, and sprinkled them with a bit of sugar to caramelize. But in the summer it will be berries all the way!) It’s colder than a witch’s tit in a brass bra here this morning. (Well 34° is frigid for us…) Stay warm, and have a great day.
Thanks, Marion, how amazing that after the years of writing columns, the mustached one still can imagine that any situation in the Israel/Gaza conflict has reached a stable point.
I just read Bangladesh had its very own Triangle Shirtwaist Fire last night/this morning. Hmmm, maybe those pesky regulations in the U.S. are actually good for people.
And in other news, it looks like the condos-to-be in Detroit will have fire escapes:
http://news.yahoo.com/shipping-containers-become-condos-detroit-110032447–abc-news-topstories.html
No worries, your friendly neighborhood Creators are hard at work stamping out those pesky safety features.
Actually that is, almost identical to Triangle Shirtwaist. I’ll bet they were making garments for Walmart and other box stores.
Yes, the article I read
http://news.yahoo.com/112-killed-fire-bangladesh-garment-factory-060756614–finance.html
said that Walmart, JCPenney and other stores I’m not familiar with sell goods from the ~4000 garment factories in Bangladesh. Walmart was the first place I thought of but really I’m not confident in any new garments not being made by slave labor. After reading some years ago about Tom Delay and the Marianas Islands where employees had forced abortions amid other abuses but a “Made in US” label could be attached to the clothes produced really opened my eyes. Just another reason to stick to the thrift stores.
Good Morning,
We still have to check the labels of clothes, even at the thrift store, but yeah, there’s probably less slave labor articles there.
I forgot to say Hi ya to Elliot, and thanks for this thread. And, we even get an Edit button. Life is good. :O)
Margaret! One of the most patient commenters at the Lake. You’re really amazing, babe. I doff my hat. (That’s a weird word, isn’t it, “doff”?)
Hearing the role played by Bain in holding up GM when they were trying to come back into viability, keeping steering columns at superinflated prices so that they made huge profits and GM had to meet them to produce, I have doubts that Made in U.S.A. always means U.S. interests are involved.
demi, was it you who asked if I was a teacher, and then gave kudos to teachers in a recent thread? I mentioned time off from school for the holidays from the other aspect: I’m a student (again). Someday hopefully I’ll be teaching people how to let their bodies cure themselves (by physical therapy but I’ll be an assistant not a doctor of PT which is the new required degree).
Doff? Hey, spellchecker even likes it. I never thought about that particular word but it’s a cool one. I’m not always patient, sweetie, in fact, sometimes I’m downright irascible.
We just learned how to “don” and “doff” sterile gloves in lab last week. And it was pointed out that “don” is to put on just like “Don we now our gay apparel.”
So true…next we’ll see W and Whitman. thanks for the POV.
Yes, that was me. Oh, a student again? Good on ya. And, what a wonderful field to study.
You may be quick to anger sometimes, but the way you state and restate and restate your positions is what impresses me.
I wonder if those words were a contraction originally? D’off and d’on? Only thing is I can’t figure out what the “d” would represent.
I think they’d have trouble outsourcing the work so that’s part of my reasoning in choosing the field.
That makes sense to me.
Tips are also allowed.
Excellent point. You’re watching Up, aren’t you? They just had that Rachel Maddow commercial with the Windmills that can’t be outsourced. Ha!
I’m nothing in my positions if not consistent. Trying to find different ways to explain what I believe and why in a rational manner to people who either are determined to misunderstand or have nothing relevant to add to their scorn and bile is sometimes….trying.
Thanks though. I think the world of you too. :)
Especially if it’s cold out, a tip of the hat would be better. I still have to go buy my Chilean Hat. It’s starting to get a little chilly, but only in the mornings. It was so incredibly gorgeous here the last several days. If I’d have known, I would have made a camp site reservation.
I could die a happy women if I never heard the word “bot” again. Ever.
Good morning everyone.
Thank you for the post Elliott.
Ruth, I hope you are feeling better this weekend.
“Trying” in that context is a wonderful word….
Right? The irony is, the people hurling that term around are usually behaving far more reflexively than their targets.
Good morning AC2.
You’re more respectful than I am, since I long ago determined that there is an element with the intent to annoy, not discuss anything. (see yesterday’s art post, I have a commenter who wants to argue about established myths)
Hey, Ruth. How’s dat code in your dose doing? Feeling any better?
Thanks, and welcome. Much better, still wobbly. Not going to push it, but glad to join the crowd here at FDL.
Good morning Margaret.
Thank you too for the post yesterday. A lot of great comments and many ideas shared among the commenters.
Breathing steam instead of spouting it, but yes, better.
Oh yes, definitely. And, when you patiently restate and restate and when all they have is ad hominems, their reflexivity becomes more evident.
Ah, Saturday night with drunken trolls.
Yeah, but the “waste of thought” line got me giggling. And, I’m still thinking about that sculpture. You got me going.
Some people really have no position but being contrary. An unfortunate feature I’ve noticed on every blog or website I have spent any time around. They see “Ruth Calvo” or “Margaret” has put up a post about Y and they feel compelled to disagree because we had argued before about X. Or like typo the troll yesterday, spewing venom for some personal entertainment reasons.
I like Pull Up A Chair for that reason. It’s a safe place where even some of the people who are often disagreeable can come together for a bit of amity and community.
You could be from New Orleans, only theirs is “yat”….as in Who dat? and Where ya’at? Love it.
That was a classic. What I also note is the adherence to any ‘expert’ opinion including Wikipedia, (which is not an authentic source of solid information in academia, since anyone can contribute content that has to be checked by other users).
Margaret, with Pull Up A Chair, I am old enough to think of that song “Come Saturday Morning I’m going away with my friends…”
Me, too, with great feeling and memories. Thanks.
That’s right. One time we were talking about colloquialisms or local slangs and Molly suggested we do a post on that some time. Hmmmmm. Maybe a PUAC after the holidays.
The select group who actually care about the issues are a treat. Several commenters show that, by agreeing sometimes, arguing other times, within the bounds of reason. A very good group.
Absolutely. And, the cat and art and food posts too. It’s important to be able to see all the things we have in common and can share.
I always hear that song when I read Phoenix Women’s Saturday Morning thread title. But, wasn’t the movie that song came from sad?
Yep. My mother was great with “old sayings,” things I often did not understand. I don’t know how she had picked it all up. But fun.
I’m hep and that’s what I came to FDL for. Friends don’t always have to sycophantically agree to remain friends. If that was the case, nobody would have more than two or three of them. We have a great core here but I’ll never put up with the “You believe ____________ so you must be/want/support/etc _________” point of view. Soooo intellectually dishonest and conversationally unproductive.
I agree, but you missed Demi in your list. But, honestly, I don’t think we can hold a candle to TBogg for automatic ire raising. :) People come up with the most outlandish suppositions about who he is and who he works for sometimes.
My late ex-mother in law was from Iowa originally and she had a huge list. Like butter melting in the sun. Stuff like that.
Having close family is a great thing, and I missed out on that, so have a limited knowledge of colorful’folk’ language.
demi, I am not sure about that, I just always liked that song and with the friends on here it just kept coming to my mind.
As Margaret said, Saturday morning with PUAC, “is a safe place” where it is a change from the weekday posts in tone and comfort among the commenters.
During the election season (and it was a long one) the comments were strong from the trolls, and they just seemed to stay away from our Saturday mornings. To me, it was a place where peace reigned.
G’morning, everyone.
I have thought of doing a diary asking for regional “isms” (if that makes sense). Just chatting with friends, we discovered sayings we’d grown up with that others from different regions didn’t comprehend. Might be fun.
Did anyone here “redd” up a space — as in “tidy up”? We used to redd up the living room when it got messy.
Oh, you must have noticed some various folk phrasing when you were in PA, no? I’d think it would be different than Texas speak.
What was the movie? Ive forgotten…
It is a respite, an island of sanity, for the most part. Sometimes the crankies wait until the end of the thread and then bounce in with something inappropriate, but, mostly it’s Wonderful.
I’m sorry but if I had included all of the automatic targets, it would be a long list indeed. I remember when fuckno used to wear on Southern Dragon like a rabid chihuahua.
True, glad it’s over, and I am beginning to comment again at issues posts I’d avoided because it just annoys me to try discussing anything with commenters who have nothing but their agenda always to advance at the cost of anything. Especially civility.
Didn’t get a chance to tell you yesterday Rev, The name of the guy you want to talk to at Austin Auto Techs is “Hugh”.
What would youns be thinking?
I don’t remember the name either, but it had Liza Minnelli in it and I remember she had a boyfriend who broke up with her and it just broke my heart. That’s what I remember. Wish I had AppleCanyon’s happy memories of that song.
I did too. There was a long stretch when I would show up at Attaturk’s, PUAC, PUYC and rarely, Late Night. The endless drone of the left version of infowars on the issues posts was overwhelming.
Of course. Didn’t he out realitychecker as fuckno? There are some very unhappy people in the world, sad to say.
RevBev, I did not know there was a movie associated with the song.
Now you and demi have aroused my curiosity.
msmolly, have a safe trip home and it sounds like you had a great time this weekend. Weekends should never end.
Fantastic, thanks again. After I left, I thought another topic where I may invite comment would be the task of buying a new car. I hope I never have to, but an event that could occur. Many thanks.
Like Demi, I did recall LM, but that’s as far as I can go. I think I liked the movie…who knows? ;)
I love to read books where the author spells out the conversations with the local inflections. I’m reading one by Tom Wolf right now, I Am Charlotte Simmons and he uses colorful language.
Ach! You said “drone”.
SouthernDragon chased Ludwig away from the Diner more than once. I still see Ludwig posting. I scroll.
Never heard that one. I remember when LoudinLib would say I’m going to get my hair did. Loved that.
Oh, I’d forgotten about dear Ludwig….
Too sad that there are some folks who actually get swayed by the constant puling of anti-fact mantras. I’m ever so glad to get that behind us.
Wow! Eli Lake is on Up, easily winning wanker of the day.
Thanks, AC, I am home. I returned yesterday afternoon when it was clear that everyone was dispersing and I’d have had to come back this morning anyway.
Today my usher shift is the Vienna Boys Choir and I am really looking forward to it. This volunteer gig has some real benefits, other than chatting with patrons, which I love.
I think “redd up” is a Northeast Ohio/Pennsylvania saying. At least my folks were from NE Ohio.
My fav of rc’s blotto reasoning was when he insisted TBogg should be removed from the front page at FDL because he’d disrespected him. Too much fun.
You mean, he hasn’t stopped by to call you a comprador lately? LOL.
Facts are unnecessary and usually inconvenient to ideologues. Their frequent refrain is to say that people who make decisions based on facts have closed minds. That’s when the “bot” is usually brought out. Again, ironic as heck.
I have to go to town and i really do not want to leave the conversation.
The Sunday papers that my wife and I like to read will be gone by 9:00 if I do not get there. Living in the “boonies” has it’s drawbacks.
Have a great day everyone and thanks for the great conversation to get my day started.
Who was on my art post yesterday arguing ancient myths, seemed almost appropriate.
Do you think it means “ready up?” I had never heard it.
What a real treat for you. Perks!
I don’t think realitychecker was fuckno. That was another irritant, but I forget which one now. Realitychecker was just an injustice collector, not really a troll per se.
Maybe you could get a clerk to hold one for you, by committing to buying it on a regular basis.
HEH. When you are retired, it’s ALL weekends! Except I’m not sure how I managed to work a full-time management job, since my retirement is so full and busy.
That was right up there with Cluckers Vs. “Fierce Debaters”. Oh, the irony.
My personal favorite was when fuckno insisted Southern Dragon be banned because he “was in the Ku Klux Klan”. Hysterical!
I have a pretty good memory. Of course, I could be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure. Not that it matters now.
That one made me mad. How can anybody possibly expect the automatic granting of respect after framing the situation in that manner? Clearly misogynist.
Realitychecker would butter up S’nDragon, and others of us just too often before chowing down on something ridiculous, that was the worst part of it. Puts my teeth on edge when anyone tries to make up to me or anyone else.
It could. I dunno.
A few years ago I participated in a survey that asked for regionalisms in phrases and spellings. I really wish I could find it again, but it is probably long over. They asked how you say (or pronounce, or use) words or phrases and it was startling to see where they came from.
My aunt also used to use a single person’s name to represent a whole family. For example, “Are Dennys going to be there today?” meaning Denny and Jane and their kids. I always got a chuckle out of that.
And he didn’t comprehend how insulting “cluckers” was. NO clue.
Misogynist and bigoted. I thought that many times myself.
I’ll always chuckle at S’nDragon telling folks to take it over to rc’s post about the whole bustup. I told him ‘no, and you can’t make me’. Mean of me.
Might be, but I didn’t think so. As you say, doesn’t matter now.
When I saw that above, I thought I don’t get it either…not a word I even think about using/hearing.
You can’t imagine how close I came to saying I’m sorry. I’m sorry you’re such a miserable creep.
Well, fair is fair. There was a lot of stuff that he let slide. Still miss him so much.
Some he let slide – but when it went overboard, he did a total smackdown.
Oh, I’m pretty sure he knew. He framed the whole post like it was a struggle between the very serious, (male) debaters, discussing important issues in a very serious manner vs the “clucking hens”, (clearly female), discussing unimportant bullshit and generally wasting white space. I felt like I was being sent back to the kitchen. The thing that annoyed me most though, was that they came here because this site gets traffic and won’t ban them like Daily Kos and then tried to remake this website that we built into something that suited them. Infuriating in all aspects.
Speaking of regionalisms, when my first nephew was born, I told my sister that he would not address me as “Aunt Sharon” but just “Sharon.” My brother-in-law was appalled. I grew up in Detroit with black friends and neighbors who pronounced aunt “ont” and my relatives pronounced it “ant” and knowing how judgmental people are about pronunciation, I just preferred to be called Sharon. This nephew occasionally slips and calls me Aunt Sharon, but his little brother never has…I think he thought he was being kind of bad and so loves it!
I miss him saying “Horseshit!”
They came. They tried. They failed.
They miscalculated the power of the truth and reasonable people.
“Sparky” was my favorite. We miss you Dragon! :(
Totally agree, it’s about the group that has built up a terrific site, and they’re determined to spoil it for their own purposes, to steal an election most immediately. I get really unpleasant when I encounter a commenter that uses attention they haven’t earned to spiel off their particular point of view.
I googled it. You’re precisely correct. “Doff” originated as a contraction of “do off” in the mid-1300s, and “don” as a contraction of “do on.”
Realitychecker had previously been known as “razorbrain”
He gave it away when he bragged about “being a lawyer who had never lost a case”
Nice touch.
I really do not understand that POV….how do new ones enter or get accepted?
I sit corrected. Thank Dog for dakine, who has an even way better memory than I.
I’ll never get the pronunciation debates. My dad was a pronunciation Nazi but my opinion is who cares as long as everybody knows what’s being said?
woohoo! EDP to the etymology rescue!
Glad you noticed. Quite the resume. We got amused at his varied claims about occupations.
I love the smell of EvilDoctor in morning. Hey, Doc!
A basic of conversation is the topic at hand. When any commenter constantly tries to run off with the discussion to go back to the same p.o.v. over and over, it’s a bit much.
I’m not sure “ont” is a Black thing, or not entirely. My niece and nephew who grew up in Massachusetts, call me “Ont” Molly.
By being respectful first I think. I lurked for a long, long time before I ever commented here. I didn’t come here with a desire to change this community but to join it. An important distinction imo. Think of it as somebody bursting into your church during a service and proclaiming that atheism is the only truth and that everybody in the pews were lesser people for believing it. While an atheist, I would never do such a thing, nor am I one of those atheists who like to call religious people bad names simply for their belief. And as an atheist, when I saw that there was a religious service going on, I would leave, rather than trying to change the existing paradigm to suit myself.
Thanks for the lesson; Im not really sure that is what you said. But never mind.
Thanks…;)
Actually, now that you mention it, I think I recall that when confronted, he admitted he had been razorbrain.
Fuckno was someone else, and I know that one also but can’t remember.
Because of the non-verbal aspect of conversation here, lack of facial expressions and tone of voice, it takes time to get to know each other. For example, I don’t usually use snark or sarcasm, and pups who have gotten to know me realize that. People who don’t have any idea of who I am or what my personality is, might completely misunderstand me. Does that make sense?
So, saying that if someone is new, they might not want to jump to conclusions about any particular comment or commenter.
No doubt there is much more to be said, but I don’t like to run on. You may have noted I did encourage commenters to do a post on it, if they had a dissenting p.o.v.
I think there have been multiple commenters who have gotten themselves bounced for over the top a**holeishness, yet keep coming back under new noms de blog
That’s also why folks use snark tags, to make it clearer. Or those emoticons (smilies). Helps when there’s no ability to see expression or hear tone of voice.
(She said in her most practical helpful voice.)
And if someone with backstage privs wants to check, often they use the same IP address and that’s a giveaway too. Not conclusive, though, but a tipoff.
Another NE Ohio “regionalism” that just popped into my head is “you’uns.” My NE Ohio relatives used that quite frequently. I suspect it’s the NE Ohio/PA version of “y’all.”
But, but, I love it when you go on. Go on, wid ya.
You’re welcome. :)
That ‘uns’ is also a head banger for me. Yep, spuds uses a lot of Pennsy language. He needs fixed.
Only sometimes. I like to hear from other folks, doncha know?
Yep. That’s why I always suggest lurking for a bit and getting to know the community. If it looks like something you’d like to join, then jump in. If it’s not your cup of tea, then you have a choice: To either move on or try to change it to suit you. People who choose the latter don’t want a community, they want a team of sycophants.
No tack hammers to the forehead!
Just saw this quote from Bukowski which I think fits this thread:
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
I do know, but one does not preclude the other.
I love that! Think I’ll steal it.
Does he really?
Snark and sarcasm! It’s what’s for breakfast.
You are tempting me to mention how hard a head that would be to get through, but we know he’s going to get annoyed at me if I do.
Now how could I have known you’d listen in?
Very nice.
Oops!
overslept, so haven’t read comments, but if you didn’t yet know Up With Chris will be rebroadcast at 2 ET. Sat had both Chris and Melissa rebroadcasts. No Melissa today. I suppose because they had to squeeze in the Dancin’ Ol’ White Guy.
Hey, do you say “You’uns” or “you’ns”? Inquiring minds want to know. LOLOL.
I always watch UP online in the evening. Same show, no commercials.
I say “y’all”. Bet Ruth does too.
MHP is on my television as we speak.
This is great, since usually in the mornings, I’m so involved in talks here that I don’t get as much out of it as I should. Later is better for me.
I’m thinking I should go back and rewatch MPH’s show from yesterday. It was all about Family and I wasn’t paying close attention because I was researching xmas shows with Peg. But, maybe I can get some ideas for Over Easy.
You know it. He doesn’t laugh at me much.
I thought that was my job. (wink, wink)
It’s ‘Yins’. And I suspect it’s a Pittsburgh thing but I’m not in anyway sure. We call Pittsburgh folks ‘mupears’ which means they are up here from Pittsburgh. This I know for sure comes from their weird speech patterns. I just speak farm. Yins are all invited.
We do what we can. And you do your part really well, thanks.
My aunt and uncle said “you’ns” but I’m sure it’s the same thing. They were in Dover, OH, less than 100 miles from Pittsburgh.
Ah, shucks.
They just spellt it wrong!
;-}
Good morning all. Wonderful thread.
Youz guyz wanna know what I love? I love being on a long thread that’s not a food fight.
I can live with that too. A little astonished but gratified.
Me too.
Was thinking that people crave a respite from the conflicts of the world, the workplace, politics, etc. in the morning before they gird their loins (metaphorically) and head out the door.
So we have Over Easy/Lakeside Diner weekdays, PUAC on Saturdays, and often this thread on Sunday, when most of us have little use for the Sunday gasbags. Then at night we have LLN (those of us who are up that late) for more respite before bed. There’s a pattern here…
But, now it’s time to say good bye. I have so much fondness for all of you.
Laterz.
for that, see ‘Cornbread’. (smiley face)
I’ve trucked into Dover Chemical for CSX. Those people had a WV accent,(southern drawl). Pittsburgh language should be a college course. The speech is an emigrant steel worker thing. MO.
Good one.
Now, really, Bye.
Right you are.
And I confess to being unable to stay up late.
Later demi. Gotta run myself. Dunno why really, this is the only real day off I’ve had during this “holiday” Guess I wanna get some couch potato time in. See y’all.
Fortunately you were also exposed to enough of southeranism that only half of our conversation is ‘what?’
Anita Hill on MHP
you may want to watch today’s second hour of MHP, too. Though that will have to be online.
Oh it’s not a black thing, it’s a region and culture/language thing. I found a cool website and there are really 5 pronunciations. The map of the U.S. showed that the Detroit Metro Area represents all 5.
http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_1.html
Morning Elliott & Pups of Fire:
I’m shocked (Shocked!, I tell you) that “Fox News Sunday” was able to lure the always reclusive John McCain onto the broadcast. It’s very uncharacteristic of him to ever agree to appear on any of the Sunday
yap feststalk shows. Benghazi-gate is obviously of Vital National Interest, and we must get to the bottom of it.(P.S. Senator McCain reminds the children to “Get offa my lawn…”)
Also, too: Chrystia Freeland will be on Book TV later today.
Hmmm,haven’t checked my bile level today.
It’s nice to have someone explain the party line.
We all know not to engage and risk the threat of
banning.
“I never heard the word “bot” again. Ever.”
I’d respond to that BOT I’m busy right now.
“for a bit of amity and community.”
Community or is that clique ?
We appreciate your permission, Im sure.