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clear to me obama won number three when even the ny post says it…loved that “we don’t have as many bayonets either” line
however romney held tight the gains he made from the first debate, so over all, even though he lost two out of three, romney wins the debate season
I only tuned in for a bit but someone clearly told Obama “lean forward, you’ll look assertive.”
Overall he seemed more confident. The “Romney Bounce” has disappeared in the polls since the 2nd debate and last night seemed unlikely to move them, but I was sort of surprised a debate affected polling in the first place, so what do I know.
I don’t know who won, but I know who lost: the American people.
Ryan had some hysterical assessment of the clear vision of the next President, etc etc etc…; we were watching a different debate.
miss seeing you as much as the beginning jane, all good?
They won – we lost. However – a small victory for me because I refused to watch, which helped preserve my sanity.
The sponsors and the networks.
Next question ?
I was sort of surprised a debate affected polling in the first place, so what do I know.
it’s because people were looking for a reason to choose romney, he wasn’t giving them any till that debate.
in the past most candidates have a pretty good campaign, romney’s was pretty inept and the debate turned that image around
the giants won the debate
Bibi Netanyahoo, of course.
The debate effects polling as much as it did because support for both Obama and Mitt is VERY soft. Minds can be changed, and will be right up until the polls close.
I think Obama won this last debate. But I’d be worried, if I were him, how many ballots were cast after the first debate and before this one.
Still haven’t seen much in the way of walkers in my neighborhood for Obama. Mitt has made at least two passes, though none of them have wanted my vote badly enough to accept a Muddy Husky Greeting(r).
Boxturtle (And I don’t blame them, those looked like expensive suits)
Obama, pretty clear winner. But election will be determined on economy IMO, not Bibi or drones.
Wonder if they won the ratings battle as well.
Boxturtle (You’d think SOMEBODY with one of the campaigns would see folly in going against MNF)
There was a debate? i didn’t know.
I’d rather enjoy Two and a half men and Family Guy…
Obama won the debate. But the stark slide of six percent of the electorate toward Romney after the first debate won’t be undone; Obama may or may not hang on by his fingernails now.
And people like my mother in law, who already think that Obama is slick but hasn’t helped her, are likely to sympathize with Romney’s less rhetorically gifted, even stubborn insistence at the end of the debate that–yes, but Sir–there are still 16 million more poor people in this country than there were when you took office.
At some point we have to tell the Democratic Party to screw themselves and organize for a real alternative. I am voting for Jill Stein in Florida.
The Corporate sponsored candidates won, but of course they were the only one’s entered. Truth took a hit. Freedom didn’t fare so well. Open government remained out of the question. And Peace and Prosperity for the American People were swept aside for the third straight Presidential electoral cycle.
That doesn’t mean we’re not number 1.
Obama won. It was not even close. Mitt the feckless etch a sketch candidate was transparently on display.
Aside from winning the debate, Obama had all the memorable sound bite moments. As this debate is discussed by the media and over coffee today, those key moments will serve to strengthen the perception that Obama won and won big.
With the internet, blogs, tweeters, and more, I think the debates play a different role now than in the past.
The Giants won from what I was watching– but I hear Obaama won again– and wee continue to watch Ohio; Joe & O haven’t been in FL lately (nor have surrogates worth any mention), so I’m assuming he’s written in off to concentrate on Ohio and Wisc, mostly
wow; lotsa typos. Sorry. Hey, Demi, what it do?
No way does a third party make sense. No way at all. But the economy (and related issues) will control who wins this thing. No matter what else happens I like to think the dems have another holy shit moment, this centrist stuff is not working, is it?! Maybe then they will move away from it. Gor my crystal ball out here and it says in 2016 the primary will go to a real left wing advocate, not a centrist like last time.
Who won? The military industrial-media-education-scientific complex. The Likud Party in Israel. And Exxon-Mobil.
Who scored the most points? Obama on both style and substance. You can be an angry black man about foreign policy, it seems. In fact, the media if not the public demands it.
The race between the duopoly candidates is widening again before the last two Presidential debates. That trend is likely not going to be reversed unless something catastrophic happens.
The question now is what states Obama wins to seal his victory (VA? OH? CO? FL? NC? MT? AZ? NV? IN?), the state of the downticket races on Congress and state legislatures, and how close or far away third party candidates come to the magical 5% figure. And what sorts of shenanigans will go on with provisional ballots, voter suppression, and the counting of the vote.
It do’s good.
Cold and rainy today. I’m going to have to stay away from the tv today. I think reading and cooking is on tap.
You are correct perris!
Jane, thank you for the post. Good to “see” you.
My biggest worry is that the polls and media are making this a close race right up to election day so that the election can be stolen and since it is so “close” there will not be a huge uproar if Mitt wins.
Definitely should not happen, but…
Dr Jill Stein won. She was phenomenal on Democracy Now. I have no idea what Obama & Romney were doing besides trying to imitate Bush.
In other words, who knows?
good morning, firepups
paleo101 @4: yes! the American people (canada, u.s., mexico, central and south) ALL lost the debate between the corps’ war party spokesmen.
It is cold and rainy here too and i will up the ante to include heavy fog.
In other words:
Who won? The military industrial-media-education-scientific complex. The Likud Party in Israel. And Exxon-Mobil.
The rest is kabuki.
Hey, I left you a message on Roundup; Liberal…meeting tonight. B
of all the states you mention there, i think other than OH, he is likely to lose all of them except maybe CO and NV; the rest I think Romney will will (if I know my state abbreviations)
and CO is a very possible loser, too
Morning, Mr. Canyon.
Is it real fog, or is your head foggy from all the sound bites.
Did you see where Ann Coulter referred to the President as that retard?
i couldn’t watch but my 18 year old daughter texted me that Obama “bitch slapped” Romney
What I’m confused about at this moment is why the commenters who seem to want to tell Jane how to run this place don’t show up when she’s actually here.
Hi Jane. Thanks for everything. Including the fish. :)
Well, it doesn’t matter what actually happened last night, the media running clips and saying Mitt won. What they say is all that will be heard.
Nice to see you, Jane.
I hear the same law firm is representing the Chicago arrested THD, that is also on my case. . .small world.
Is she registered to vote?
Obama won the debate but the answer to “Who lost?” is much more telling. I agree with all who answer that “We lost.”
On the other hand, I’m happy that all the debates demonstrated the level of slime that the GOP ticket is, not that everyone can see it. Too bad Obama is more skilled at hiding his. But when America votes its racism over its own welfare, it’s all going to be easier to say with conviction “You got what you asked for.”
I saw her picture on one of the sites and refused to click on to what she said.
The sooner Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and others use up their fifteen minutes of fame and disappear will be fine with me.
Might you clarify that a bit, demi?
Who do you think is trying to “tell” Jane “how to run this place”?
I had a doctor’s appointment this morning, and he asked if I had watched the debate. He said he was in Rome a couple of weeks ago, and he was quoting a taxi driver who said they (Italians, or Europeans) are frightened because only 37% of our eligible voters go to the polls to elect what they see as the most important leader in the world.
I haven’t verified the statistics, but it was an interesting viewpoint from Europe.
Well said demi.
The Chickenhawks are really chickenshits.
Jane would take care of them in an instant and they know it that is why there is…silence.
There’s been a whole lot of that in the past few months. Bitching about “banning” and the mods and what diaries should be allowed. I don’t read those threads any more, and in fact I’m not here as much any more because the tone often just turns me off.
You asked Demi, so just my $0.02.
You vote in Florida? If I were voting in Florida, I’d think twice before not voting for Obama.
Salon gives it to the President by 53%.
Very gloomy here, with a very large probability of rain most of the day. I’m making beef stew!
I caught that. Thanks! Won’t be able to make it tonight, though. Sadface.
Jane just tweeted that John Chandley, AKA Scarecrow, has been hospitalized with melanoma that has spread to his brain.
Pierce weighs in:
Nothing Is Foreign to the Liar Willard Romney Any More: A Report from the Flippy-Floppy Final Debate of 2012.
That isn’t the way the world works. Waiting for everyone to have a brainstorm and suddenly be virtuous = waiting for God(ot) to send rainbows from our hindquarters.
OT: Jane, if you check back….Im wanting to promote Glenn Smith for a Book Salon. There is a new book on Ann Richards; he says it is very good. He could probably get the author, a local Austin guy.
OMG I wondered where John has been lately. That’s two, with our SouthernDragon.
What time do you want me to arrive for dinner?
That really sounds good this morning.
i really miss seeing you and the Dinerzens in the morning. It is/was always a good way to start the day.
I have not heard anything about SouthernDragon and my best wishes go out to him. I hope he comes back to us real soon.
Pretty tacky, if you please.
“Who won? The military industrial-media-education-scientific complex. The Likud Party in Israel. And Exxon-Mobil.
“The rest is kabuki.
And that’s a fact.
Obama continues his throwaway lines about redirecting our overseas resources to fixing things in this country but, as with women’s reproductive rights and similar liberal dog whistles, his heart doesn’t seem to be in it. He’s obviously written off progressives.
Obama won big, but I think the election will be close enough to be stolen, and will be.
yes, she is. but she doesn’t want to. But she is. Easy, schmeezy, right?
Romney got off one good line: “We can’t kill our way out of this mess.”
Thanks. Obama is going to lose here. I have held my nose and voted for people who bomb brown people all my life; the ones this brown man is bombing lately–the little ones–often look too much like my brown daughter. Evil is evil. Once they chained Jill Stein for nine hours outside the debate venue my mind was made up for me. Elections are their little dog and pony show; we have been watching it for two years while Rick Scott and Florida Republicans stole us blind.
That is depressing, Kris, but I appreciate learning what has happened, to Scarecrow, to John.
My very best wishes and hopes to him and to Southern Dragon.
But very true. As Marx said of the Young Hegelians: They look up into the sky for their salvation. We look to our own hands and arms. (He didn’t just say it off of the cuff, either, but after a long period of inquiry and investigation into the limits of idealism. When he read the poet Lucretius it was all over but the radical ecology.)
I did not watch I I figured the debate would be like watching George W debating Geo H. Saw the article for Scarecrow I wish him well and nice of you Jane to post; you have a kind heart!
Thank you, msmolly, for that perspective.
I do, however, consider that some questions are reasonable, and appreciate it very much when John or Dakine01, of late, have taken the time to engage those who have questions and seek to either explain or to enlighten.
Healthy and open discussion among equals demands nothing less.
I merely wondered if there had been some specific “incident”, in the past several days, which led demi to comment as she did?
Something which I might have missed.
Who Won? The 1% and Bibi Nutty-yaayhoo, that’s who.
Many voters are on the fence this election bc they don’t feel that Obama’s done much of anything to move our nation forward, and that would be correct. Yet they also get queasy when they look at Mitt’s entitled 1% plundering mug. What to do?
I’m voting Third Party.
While I actually could stomach watching about 20 min of this debate (the longest I could get thru so far), and it was clear to me that angry black Obama was pretty much wiping the floor with Mitt, I didn’t much see the point. It’s like: whatever… this is “good” for the MIC & the rest of the PTB, not for the 99%.
I vote in FL– my view is that it’s over for Obama here; I guess there is enough time left to change that, but…….
One state: Ohio. Who will vote, who counts the votes?
It’s the first debate in my lifetime when one candidate sported peak lapels and the other notch labels.
AitchD, so which of those two wins?
After sleeping on it, I think Obama had the edge, but Romney clearly had decided to back off on going after him hard.
I think that he and his “brain trust” had decided that they had done all they needed to do, in the first debate and now all they need is to hold their own and sound rational and presidential. As long as you don’t look at specifics too closely, he did that.
The bottom line is that Obama came in with high expectations, along with the tools and the mandate, to fulfill them, and his biggest accomplishment has been to rescue the GOP from the political shithouse. The voters will measure that against Romney’s more-of-the-same out-and-out “let the rich get richer” against Obama’s clear willingness to allow the same thing, and against his entering a second term as a lame-duck, to start with.
It was the third installment of the “by, for, and of, the people” charade.
I still think the uncommitteds will break for Romney more than Obama.
Obama has said that he’s not all that obsessed with a second term, and I believe him. Romney’s “passion”
is nothing but a rich man’s ego. I don’t think either one of them will be that disappointed if he loses. I also think that orchaestrated or not, the fix is in: it’s corporatist tweedle-dum and twiddle-dee.
I’m with wag the dog in stating that Jill Stein won, with Rocky Anderson a close second – in fact it is hard to separate those two, as it is to separate Obama and Romney, but for very different reasons. There can be no doubt that the third party candidates had the better arguments on international policy, and I say again, the issues were debated last night, but you will have to go to democracynow.org to see that debate.
Sharkbabe, I don’t think the election NEEDS to be stolen. If you’re one of the 1%, it’s in the bag.
I’m pretty sure it’s over for Obama in Florida too, if yard signs are any indication. Drove out to Geneva Saturday and there was mile, after mile, after mile of Romney signs-nothing for Obama. Not to mention after that Romney/Ryan love fest in Dayton last week, when the local TV crews were interviewing black people who were voting for Romney.
Using the two modern criteria for choosing a President is is obvious O is the one you would rather have a beer with and the one you would rather get fired by. But Jill Stein won the debate because I could hear her answers to the same questions and her answers reflect the majority of U.S. voters.
I agree that the Giants won the “debate” but the Tigers will win the “election”. :^)
I can’t argue with you on anything here.
Btw, this system for choosing leaders sucks.
Is that why Obama seems to be focusing more on Ohio?
What doesn’t make sense is endorsing Obama’s first term by voting for him again.
As far as a liberal in 2016, don’t hold your breath. The Democratic Party has been done with liberals since the Democratic Leadership Council took over the Party. They recruit only center right candidates to run and they do their best to force incumbents who insist on remaining liberals out of office. And, they have less problem with Republicans like Crist and Specter than they do with liberals.
The only liberal in the Senate is Sanders; and he is not a Democrat. In the House, the Progressive Caucus is dwindling. Many of them are civil righte era African Americans who won’t be around much longer.
The only chance you have, if any at all, of seeing Democrats run a liberal again is if you stop voting for center right Democrats like Obama. For as long as you vote for them, they have no reason to stop lurching ever rightward.
I used to think that way. Now, I believe that voting for a Republican with a (D) after his name is the worst possible use of my vote, be it a blue state, a red state or a purple state.
Supposedly, there is no way Romney can win the electoral vote if Romney loses Ohio. If Romney wins Ohio, Obama has a chance of losing. Hence, Obama has to win Ohio.
Obama has set all of us free of all of our last essentialist convictions about race–hurrah!
Same here in Iowa.
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