Of all the complaints that can be justifiably launched against President Obama, can I add that he sure knows how to take the fun out of chronicling the cratering of Mitt Romney’s campaign?
Not that I think B.O. has thrown away his re-election with his passive performance in Wednesday’s debate — as Reagan in ’84 and Bush in ’04 showed, a shaky opening debate by an incumbent who’s leading in the polls is a survivable error. But he did let Romney regain a bit of support from a Republican base that was starting to be demoralized, and I kind of liked seeing them that way.
I’ll admit, though, I wasn’t entirely surprised that Obama let his opponent seize the initiative. For one thing, maybe he wanted to re-enact the arc of his presidency for the viewing audience. Not only that, can anyone remember the last time he wasn’t unexpectedly subdued in a high-profile public setting? From last month’s convention speech back through his inaugural address and 2008 acceptance of the Democratic nomination, it seems like Obama has been intentionally reluctant to live up to the oratorical reputation he established earlier in his rise to the White House.
Fortunately for Barack, it seems like his campaign was fully prepared to launch a momentum-recapturing assault as soon as the morning after the debate. Which isn’t the same thing as saying he “threw” the contest — I don’t think his intention was to lose, much less come across as hopelessly weak, but it was to avoid getting baited into a partisan shouting match that might diminish his favorability with independents and women (which initial polls show he preserved quite well).
The way the New York Times portrays it, Team Obama — including the man himself — came out with a comprehensive, yet nonetheless improvised assault on Mitt Romney’s integrity after a feverish all-nighter of recriminations regarding the president’s subpar showing in the debate. I don’t buy that.
If you ask me, the template for the ad above (including its stock Oval Office chair shot, which I think dates back to at least Walter Mondale against Gary Hart in ’84) was laid down long ago, just waiting for appropriate debate-night footage to be inserted. As someone who’s been waiting for months to see when the O-team would go after Romney’s serial lying — and was telling a friend just the other night that I was surprised they’d gotten this far without having to do it — I think they planned a post-debate attack all along… sort of like a good cop-bad cop scheme, with the campaign finally saying things they thought it might be too rude to have the president say directly to Romney’s face in the debate.
The fact that Obama may have, shall we say, over-executed on the good-cop portion of the plan is beside the point.




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Get a load of this job ad that I actually saw on Craigslist today. The things they make you do for a fucking job these days is like a cross between George Orwell and Phillip K. Dick.
Oh, Frist, by the way.
Pretty good recap of Wednesday night from Mr. Taibbi.
The money said to make the race interesting. Obama said “Yes sir, is there anything else I can do sir?”
Swopa!
Team O certainly seems to be finding their mojo again. Remains to be seen if they can maintain it, but when your opponent is the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz, that should not be too hard.
I am not quite that cynical yet. Several people have noted that he started out the debates with a weak performance against McCain. I agree with those that feel he is not really comfortable with the confrontational style of that medium.
Do I remember a tape of Boner and O negotiating the budget last year? Or was it just Boner talking about it? O was a total wimp. Made me feel sad for him and me. And I don’t even like the guy.
M’eh. It was snark really. I’m not quite that cynical, (or paranoid), yet either.
This is related to a point I tried to make above. And I should add that he wasn’t “weak” against McCain (except in the eyes of very partisan Democrats) — he came across as calm, confident, and more presidential compared to McCain, who was jumpy and aggressive. This wasn’t just my opinion, but that of the post-debate polls, which indicated he had “won” the debate.
Trying to apply the same philosophy after a 4-year hiatus, though, Obama apparently erred on the side of being *too* passive.
Something else I didn’t manage to squeeze into the post — I suspect at least a partial reason behind the “race video” faux-controversy that Drudge et al. worked overtime to hype the day before the debate was to nudge Obama toward that non-confrontational, non-angry black man persona.
I dunno. I’m just in favor of the “pivot and attack” strategy I heard here at FDL versus “
pivot andagree.” wich I heard far too much of in that first debate.Who-Can-Out-Simpson-Bowles is of no interest to me.
“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time.” Harry Truman
Not even the Democratic Party can make me vote for a Republican.
I guess I don’t have much to add here, since I skipped the debate and have only read secondhand accounts of Obama’s performance. I certainly think that Romney’s style of aggressive deception calls for a more aggressive response, though.
It’s awfully hard to “debate” someone who starts off with a lie in the first two minutes and when he is called on it comes right back with another lie.
But my best point is this – although the punditclass claims Rmoney ‘won’ the debate Wednesday night, since then all the talk from the left and the right both has been about all the lies he told. That is all we’ve heard was about lyin’ Mitt, lies, more lies and lies and lies and lies. I questioned how someone could ‘win’ if all anyone was talking about afterwards was how many lies he told, and it now appears that’s all there is – an ever-growing scorecard of lies.
So – I ask again – how exactly is this a win for the Mittwit? How exactly does being seen as the biggest liar on the planet make you the winner? How does that make people want to vote for you to be the next POTUS?
Personally, I think that whatever you think about Obama’s performance or lack thereof, the end result is that Obama actually won by not getting down in the mud with Rmoney in any way shape or form. By sticking to his own agenda, being calm, reasonable and mostly telling the truth (even all the most biased fact-checkers agreed on this) he actually came out the winner in spite of what the punditclass claimed on Wednesday night and are still trying to claim.
Who is Obama? Really. He looks so happy when he is with his wife and kids. He looks happy when he is giving a speech. He looks unhappy when answering questions from the press. He looked like he was going to barf when debating Mittens. Who is this guy? He is seemingly unresolved. I wonder if he is depressed while giving the orders to kill an American without trial.
I didn’t watch it either EDP. Even so, it had the benefit of finally making up my mind who to cast my ballot for: Jill Stein.
Yes, but would you do that if you lived in VA or OH or FL?
I’ve been adding to my youtube music collection tonight. I started with “Jessica” by The Allman Brothers and I’m up to “Carmen” by Georges Bizet. I guess I’m weird.
Understood. But likewise, even Obama isn’t going to keep me from shunning teapublicans from gaining office here in my part of the world.
I Vote Against, not For this cycle!
I understand others think voting is some Holy Eucharist responsibility thing, but I don’t. Just one quiver in the basket, and I will never stop with the regular and continual political activity I can participate in besides voting; direct action, interaction with electeds at any/all levels, writing, calling, etc.
And things I haven’t thought of yet either.
I am asking as someone who has the luxury of not voting for Obama cause I live in CA.
Zero’s problem was that he used up all of his lies on the last election, he had nothing to add this time so he was mute.
I already have my absentee ballot, but I’m going to wait until a little closer to election day to fill it out. If Romney is likely to lose Iowa at that point (and I think he probably will), I’ll vote for Stein. In the face of a Romney win, however, I am prepared to hold my nose and vote for Obama. He stinks, but Romney will do everything wrong that Obama is doing wrong and a whole lot more besides.
Tough call. After the catfood fest, I think Stein anyway. Texas looks like it might be in play even.
Sweet! Which Carmen did you add?
There is this most excellent Horowitz piano reduction of the “Carmen Fantasy”.
Lemme find it, brb.
Yeah Kelly, if Texas does wind up being in play, I may have to take that road myself. God this sucks.
March of the Toredors.
Here’s that Horowitz. Gawd I love this performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnla_5zrHAE
Really!? I love it when TX is in play. Reminds me of the old days when a dem could win there.
Wanna see my letter to The Boy Scouts?
I encourage others to write.
Okay, added the Horowitz
You shouldn’t hold back. Not healthy.
Nice vitriol (I also thought of renaming them the Bigot Scouts), but it will fall on deaf ears. I think it’s time to write BSA off.
Oh and another thing – there’s lotsa ways that ain’t blogging to get political things done.
I made this xml tree to provide to developers of android or anything web to have some baseline BoehnerHouse data. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5MjbigbTZi6MFp4dUpsbkgyUGM/edit
LMAO! What can I say? I’m just a repressed, shrinking violet.
Ever seen this performance of Rhapsody in Blue?
I’ve decided that blogging, while it can be a great educational and organizational tool, is largely ineffective at causing political change. I’m too old for civil disobedience and too poor to influence people with money.
No -but I lurves me them women pianists, yanno. It’s queuing up now. Back in a few.
And now, a dedication to Mitt Romney from Big Bird and the rest of the 47 percent.
I’m just mostly going back to underground mode. Developing data/APIs and shit to move the internet in the way I want it to move. Have you guys seen AdHawk?
That’s very interesting to me.
“Pure text/speech expression” just isn’t enough for me anymore. It’s not useless, but it’s not as useFUL as it was in times past, IMO.
Making words into actions and moving that around in some meaningful way? That’s quite more attractive. I’ll struggle around with that for a while, but struggle is pretty much what it’s all about.
I agree and think O really won by not getting down to Willard’s level.
A good recent anology is the Seattle/Green Bay game where the replacement refs said Seattle won but all could see the call was incorrect and Green Bay was the true winner.
The debate not only revealed Willard’s liar trait but his lack of good character(crib notes, please)as well. Both are features of Mr 47%, Willard.
right; he was shitty against McCain— we tend not to forget because McCainwas with the Joe the Plumber shit, “That one,” “drill baby drill” suspending his campaign and all kinds of weird shit Obama sucked in 2008– although, doc, i think you’re right about the setting-format, it wasn’t ywesterday but my recollection is that Obama was much better in the Town Hall format; bit in the foreign policy debate, this Libya shsit could be a real, real problem
A guy walks into a bar with a suitcase. He sits down, opens the suitcase and takes out a lamp, a tiny piano and a little guy about a foot tall who sits down at the piano and starts to play. The bartender is naturally curious so he asks the guy what’s going on. The guy says, “See this lamp? If you rub it, a Genie will come out and grant your wish”. The bartender is skeptical and so the man tells him to go ahead and try rubbing the lamp. The bartender rubs the lamp and a Genie pops out and says, “What is they wish, O master”. The bartender thinks for a second and says, “I want a million bucks”. The Genie says, “Thy wish is my command”, and Poof! The bar is suddenly full. Of a million ducks. The bartender says to the man, “WTF?!? Is that Genie hard of hearing or something?”, to which the man replies, “What? You think I asked for a twelve inch pianist?”.
if i do write, i don’t see any need to denigrate Judaism and Christianity in general– that goes way beyond the offending BSA policies
LOL! – You’re just not right, woman!
Lehrer didn’t acquit himself well either the way I understand it but clearly Obama’s head wasn’t in it. All he had to do to wrap this race up was to convincingly announce that he will never agree to cut Social Security or Medicare but he couldn’t bring himself to do it. Makes me wonder if he owns a lot of cat food stock.
Yeah, well maybe that’s because those people haven’t wielded their “faith” as a club against you for your entire life. It gives one a whole new perspective when you’re told over and over that you don’t deserve to be treated as a human being.
Think I’m going to wander off…it’s been a loooooong week. Peace out, y’all!
maybe
Night EDP.
Trust me on this. I used to go out of my way to be tolerant of peoples’ faith but not when it’s used as a weapon. And I just don’t see many of the less rabid Christians trying to put a leash on their brethren. Ever had a church going relative give you a wooden baseball bat and instruct you to bash yourself in the head every time you had one of “those” thoughts while the rest of the room laughed uproariously? Ever had that happen right after church? When you were 12?
I agree. When religion is used as a big bat to hurt or diminish others, it is not to be coddled. I see very few Xtians helping anyone except the very rich to everyone else’s pie.
Now, that’s some funny!
I was going to ask my neighbors who have Romney/Ryan stickers all over their cars what they are thinking since they have a disabled child that our school district probably pays $30k for every year…. and whose voucher would never, ever cover the costs of educating their child. Ah, but….. I saw an envelope sticking out of their mailbox this afternoon…… return address was L.Ron Hubbard Way…. or whatever. Creep=me-out….. I guess they are Scientologists. I’d like to know why their sky-fairy so screwed up their kid, but I’m not going to go there.
argggg. Ain’t humans a strange lot.
I’m just tired of getting lectured to about how Christianity is somehow exempt from criticism. As far as I’m concerned, people can believe whatever absurd dogma suits them. Where I draw the line is when children are bullied and tormented and adults are denied equal protection under the law because of something they are born as. And sanctimonious pronunciations of how out of line I am from somebody who has never experienced their parents throwing them out of their home at 15 or having to quit school because they are in fear for their life or being arrested for having the nerve to get their ass kicked and skull bashed in by homophobes is probably one of the things that upsets me most in this world.
Beyond words!
I am so sorry all of that happened to you. You are a brave woman, Margaret.
I had to tell a manager at work the other day to stfu about how wonderful Rmoney is or I was going to turn him in for political proslytizing. I’ve never ratted on anybody in my life but he would. Not. Shut. Up.
I am glad that you are here, Margaret. I treasure your words, your experience, your counsel. What a funny and funky and fabulous place is this strange Lake. We are, I think, all lucky to have found like minds….. whatever our previous experiences. Hope you have something fun planned for the weekend.
I do trust you, Margaret; trust me that I trust you; never had that happen as you might guess; just had a discussion 5 minutes ago with a “Christian” (Catholic) about the election and I had to bail out on that; if a conversation about the election pissed me off-alot- I really can’t imagine something that affected you so personally, and something you couldn’t bail out of (like I did that conversation with that asshole)— not something you can ever forget and it sucks you went nthrough it
Thanks but it’s not your fault. It has made me a bit harsh with people. Sometimes unfairly so. No. Deploring hatred disguised as religion is not out of line and religion is not exempt from criticism.
hope you’re not talking about me
Look, none of that was directly aimed at you. But defend the way people practice Christianity to me at your peril. I’m having none of that. I appreciate your thoughts though.
Gotta seep. Oya pups!
When I get tired of the Xtionists, I do an evening at Pharyngula….. some good minds and some also funny people. I also realized that almost no one I know is religious of Xtionist….. but few are willing to admit to atheism. We’re all just getting by in this troubling time.
See my 62. Night! :)
Hmph! My fundie boss wanted to know if I am atheist because that information had gotten back to him. I told him straight up that I’m not so much atheist as anti theist. But to his credit, he’s a benign fundie. He believes I’m going to Hell but doesn’t see it as his duty to club me into submission.
OK; but please trust me this time– you will NEVER hear me defend the way some asshole “practices” Christianity in any way that isn’t loving, respectful, non-judgmental and supportive and all that stuff– (or any oter religion); that’s just not Xtianity
take care, Margaret; see you around
night
Margaret, thanks for your support of Jill Stein! If it ends up close in Texas, then Romney will probably be so far gone in the swing states like Ohio and Florida that Obama will easily have enough votes in the Electoral College to win. At that point, it won’t really matter who wins Texas.
There’s also a statewide race in Texas where the Democrats didn’t field a candidate, but the Greens did. If they get 5% in that race, they will keep ballot access through 2014.
To win the debate, Obama didn’t have to mention the 47%. He didn’t have to say he would protect Social Security. He didn’t have to blame bankers for the Depression. All he had say is: “Big Bird will be safe in my administration.” Romney would have been toast.
One corporate whore talking to another corporate whore. Did someone call this a debate?
Failing to call out Romney’s lies during a debate watched by sixty million people was considerably more dangerous for Obama’s candidacy than a high wire act.
His ads are not going to get that kind of viewership. Neither are his stump speeches. Even the second and third debates may not get that kind of viewership.
Obama had momentum, more thanks to Romney’s many mistakes than anything else–and he may have blown a lot of it, perhaps irretrievably.
If he wins–and I still believe he will–it will be in spite of losing his first debate stunningly.
When one of your highest profile surrogates floats altitude as a defense of your performance, you and your campaign ain’t thinking you done good, especially when the place is the same one in which you accepted your first nomination for President so vigorously.
I thought the silly three-dimensional chess claims to explain every failure of Obama were finally behind us after the first 18 months.
Sorry to see them resurface.
“…comprehensive assault…?
Were we watching the same debate?
I thought Obama was the agreeable foil for Romney’s “happy warrior”.
A tool, a political anvil, for the republican hammer….which, considering the past four years, should have been entirely predictable.
“One corporate whore talking to another corporate whore.”
Barefoot gets this month’s bandwidth-conservation award.
“Big Bird would be safe in my administration.”
That would have done nicely, but then he would have been confronting the assholes over their unending claims of
“wasteful government spending”, and that, from this man, aint gonna happen. At least, it hasn’t happened in the past 4 years, half of which, he had a political cattle-prod the size of a baseball bat and traded it to the GOP for “healthcare reform” that was written by the HMO robber-barons, and a smile from John Boehner.
How can anyone put Ohio and Florida, or any swing state, in Obama’s column after what happened in the debate?
There’s emotional effervescence coming from Chicago now, and O’s campaign is acting reflexively.
Calling Romney a liar is certainly factual, but it plays toward an audience which already supports O, and which likes to hear the character pejoratives about R for reinforcement. But I don’t think any of them are at risk of changing their minds and switching to R at this late date regardless of what R says or does. Still, if the liar trope remains necessary, it would better be just the proxies going that way.
I don’t think O’s campaign is thoughtfully aiming to snare undecideds or purple voters. The problem with the debate involved information gaps, meaning important broad concepts, which got buried in too many details and sound bites. A purple voter would not have broad starting points to work from going forward.
A case in point would be Medicare vouchers. For a moment I thought O almost had R by the cajones when he briefly pointed out what would happen to the vouchered population over time. Then suddenly he diverted, and it became forgettable because age brackets intervened, as in, here’s who can skate. That is, the very toxicity of the voucher concept hadn’t quite been hammered home yet, just touched upon.
Next time we’ll hear about foreign policy. I hope O can corral that one better. R talks about “leadership” which sounds good, but in R’s case it actually means a throwback to unbridled interventionism, especially in costly military terms. And what has that meant during the several decades? So R will do this, and we’ll revisit the worst of those times.
So, don’t get into foreign the policy details until that general picture is very clear. The audience will be better prepped that way.
I never said that Obama should have called Romney a liar. I absolutely do not think either of them should have called each other any kind of name, although Romney certainly implied strongly that both Biden and Obama had lied about him.
I said that Obama should have called out Romney’s lies, and even that is poor wording for what I meant, so I apologize for that. I meant that Obama should have pointed out, in a classy manner, that Romney was saying things that were very different from what Romney had been saying all along. To do that, Obama could simply have stated what Romney said in the past.
The morning after the debate, Obama was doing that during stump speeches in a manner that was supposed to be jocular. However, I think he missed the opportunity to do the same thing the night before, during the debate, in an intellectual, factual Presidential way before almost 70 million viewers.
I think the rest of your post consisted of your additional thoughts on the debate and future debates, as opposed to a reply to me. However, I think Obama’s performance was poor, sound off or sound on, and I don’t think that was deliberate.
Whether or not he did himself any harm with undecided voters or voters who were just starting to lean toward him, he certainly did not do himself much good with them.
One liners are fine for comedians and nothing is wrong with some humor during a Presidential debate. However, it is not the only tool in the kit.
One could have said how very little the government gives PBS at this point and how valuable PBS is in x, y and z ways.
However, in truth, on this one, I would have done exactly as Obama did–left it unaddressed.
When your opponent shoots himself in the foot with a remark that stupid, it is not always necessary to stomp on his bullet wound.
Because a lot of people who watched have no idea what happened in that debate.
Among the most googled terms during the debate? “Dodd Frank” and “Simpson Bowles.” How low info do you have to be never to have heard of those?
And just think how many had those terms and other terms sail over their hands and did not even bother to google any of them.
No one was breaking everything down for the low info viewer, not Obama, not Romney and not Lehrer. (If memory serves, Lehrer may have made an attempt to define something early on, but he was soon drowning in his inability to moderate.)
That’s the problem. The learned Chicogans are talking to themselves and not thinking about what the public really doesn’t know Big, costly mistake.