Illinois bishop Thomas Paprocki, formerly an auxiliary bishop of Chicago and generally somebody I would not have expected to be this obtuse:
There are many positive and beneficial planks in the Democratic Party Platform, but I am pointing out those that explicitly endorse intrinsic evils. My job is not to tell you for whom you should vote. But I do have a duty to speak out on moral issues. I would be abdicating this duty if I remained silent out of fear of sounding “political” and didn’t say anything about the morality of these issues. People of faith object to these platform positions that promote serious sins. I know that the Democratic Party’s official “unequivocal” support for abortion is deeply troubling to pro-life Democrats.
So what about the Republicans? I have read the Republican Party Platform and there is nothing in it that supports or promotes an intrinsic evil or a serious sin. The Republican Party Platform does say that courts “should have the option of imposing the death penalty in capital murder cases.” But the Catechism of the Catholic Church says (in paragraph 2267), “Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person. Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm — without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself — the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”
One might argue for different methods in the platform to address the needs of the poor, to feed the hungry and to solve the challenges of immigration, but these are prudential judgments about the most effective means of achieving morally desirable ends, not intrinsic evils.
Certainly there are “pro-choice” Republicans who support abortion rights and “Log Cabin Republicans” who promote same-sex marriage, and they are equally as wrong as their Democratic counterparts. But these positions do not have the official support of their party.
Again, I am not telling you which party or which candidates to vote for or against, but I am saying that you need to think and pray very carefully about your vote, because a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy.
None of this is new, of course, and part of what’s got my back up here is just the passive-aggressiveness of it, as if Paprocki is God’s Perpetually Angry Receptionist, saying he’s not ACCUSING you of taking all the paper clips out of His drawer, but maybe you should think VERY CAREFULLY about what kind of employee you want to be. For your own sake. And clean out the damn fridge already; it smells like something died in there.
US Catholic magazine, which is really warming my black little heart with its borderline-blasphemy these days, fixates on the tax exemption issue that always pops up when some purported servant of God shoots off his mouth:
So, I could be jeopardizing my salvation if I vote for a candidate who supports the Democratic platform (but not if I vote GOP), regardless of what a particular official actually does when elected. This is sketchy moral logic to say the least, but my real question is: Does it constitute an endorsement, which would jeopardize the Springfield diocese’s tax-exempt status? Paprocki writes that he feels duty-bound to speak, even if he sounds “political,” but wouldn’t be easier just to abandon tax exemption and jump into poliics with both feet?
But I’d like to talk about Paprocki’s seemingly endless fixation on words, because that’s where his argument falls down.
He spends the first few grafs of this piece boring on about the word God being in or out of the document, and then segues into this comparison of what is written in both parties’ platforms. Nowhere does he talk about what each party practices. He makes a deliberate equivalence between Democrats’ support for abortion rights (or, putting it in terms a pro-life Catholic Democrat might, their opposition to empowering the state to force a woman to bear a child against her will) and Republicans’ support for the death penalty. Both are things that might make voting for either party morally objecitonable.
Then he goes on to be all EXCEPT NOT REALLY on the death penalty, ignoring the fact that in practice, Republicans are far more eager to impose the death penalty upon the unwilling than Democrats are to impose abortion.
In practice is where his argument falls apart. What happens when a particular party’s will is imposed? Forget what a man says; what does he DO? What consequences do his actions produce? What aim does he have in pursuing his goals? What kind of world does he want? If we follow him, what kind of world do we get? Paul Ryan spells it out pretty clearly. Mitt Romney isn’t making much of a mystery these days of what he really thinks of everybody. Paprocki’s focus is on the words. On the rules. On the platforms and what they say. On the lines of code in the box and not what that code looks like spun out to its logical end.
Time was, a decent fellow and fair to middling carpenter set out on the road to tell people that the rules don’t matter if people don’t matter. If the system of laws and words doesn’t serve people, then you burn that whole thing down. Results are what matters. Not what the code in the box says, what it looks like when spun out to its logical end.
Yet here’s Paprocki back again, saying we should prize a platform that does not promote “intrinsic evil” over a party that, more often that not, lately, produces it in spades.
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Allison!
I saw this the other day and observed that I think the “good” bishop is in for a rude shock when and if he meets his maker. Rabbi Yeshua would find little to object to in the things the bishop speaks of as he never actually addressed any of them. On the other hand he inveighed at length against most of the Republican platform. There is also the injunction to render unto Caesar.
I wonder if Paprocki remembers the Seven Corporal Works of Mercy? My personal favorite is the one about feeding the hungry. Maybe those priests could call for an increase in Food Stamps, increases in unemployment benefits and something for working parents?
Have to say that while not a perfect match, Democratic policies are much more in keeping with the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua, while Republican policies are explicitly the antithesis of those teachings. Interesting that most of the things the bishop objects to are never mentioned in the New Testament and seldom in the Old. There are only two references to abortion in the Bible, both in the Pentateuch. One explicitly states that it is not a crime and the other mandates it for an adulterous woman. It is also the case that the Halakha holds that life begins at birth.
This century’s Roman Catholic Church is so corrupt that it is almost not worth talking about….. and I’m disgusted that the IRS isn’t stepping in. I’m often astounded when I meet someone who still contributes to this corrupt organization. Shocked, really. And, please, I grew up Catholic and would have hoped for better.
Frankly, I find Paprocki’s spiritual death threats to be both disturbing and offensive. His claims to not be trying to influence anyone’s vote are patent bullshit. He and his ilk remind me very much of the Pharisees of Jesus’ day, and we all know what Jesus had to say about them.
Every century’s Catholic Church has been corrupt since Constantine. Today’s church may actually be less corrupt than the Renaissance Church was.
Been reading about Alexander VI again?
Frankly, I do not even know who he is. Comment based on my fairly shallow knowledge of the sewer that was the Catholic Church at that time. The Medici and Borgia popes, the sale of indulgences, popes with multiple children, and all the rest of the tawdry corruption and outright debauchery is frankly astounding.
Alexander VI was Rodrigo Borgia in “civilian” life. Father of Cesare and Lucretia.
Ahhh. The classic case in point. The Rabbi Yeshua understood well the corruption of worldly power, which is why he preached disengagement and withdrawal from the world. He would frankly be appalled at what has become of his church (probably even that it has become a separate church and is not part of mainstream Judaism). Of course, modern “Christianity” is better termed Paulism, as it is his teachings they embrace rather than those of the Meshiach.
Well, Paprocki’s job might not be to tell people how to vote–while then proceeding to do just that–but it certainly isn’t to read the Bible.
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight . . .”
“So what about the Republicans? I have read the Republican Party Platform and there is nothing in it that supports or promotes an intrinsic evil or a serious sin.”
Now that is genuinely funny. Maybe his job is not to tell the truth either. He couldn’t find pride, envy, gluttony or murder in the Rep party platform?! Then he clearly didn’t bother to read it. When lying, religious control addicts like Paprocki care as much about stopping the “intrinsic evil” of war as they do about abortion, maybe they might be worth listening to. But probably not even then.
When one supports the death penalty in the same breath that they condemn abortion, they have no “duty to speak out on moral issues.” They are not even capable of identifying them. What clearer example than what Paprocki has provided does one need to see that the Catholic Church doesn’t give a fuck about the sanctity of life?
Yep, the hypocrisy just reeks big time. But that’s not new with the ………oh, whatever, there is nothing good I can say except the nuns are the true backbone of the church (but, damn, I’m glad they are no longer cracking kids’ knuckles with those heavy rulers!)
*heh* Those Borgias really knew a thing or too, eh Dr.D…? ;-)
The bishop in fact is ignoring the traditional Catholic answer to the implied problem.
That was set out clearly by one Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger in a letter to American bishops during the election of 2004. Although Ratzinger now occupies the office of bishop of Rome, the bishop of Springfield IL seems unaware of that letter, the concluding paragraph of which is as follows:
“A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”
PAPROCKI anagram:
P(eople)-I CRAP, OK?
Yeah fine. Douche.
h, let’s see. 50 MILLION dead children and counting and how many are on death row? How many are actually executed? The Democratic party has become the party of abortion. If Catholics voted with Church teaching in mind it would take only a couple of election cycles to pretty much end the embrace of abortion by the Democrats. Then Catholics could look at some of the prudential issues again.
Shoots, what ya imbibing, Most Evil one…? ;-)
I have two, maybe three, students meeting me to talk about plagiarism tomorrow.
Scotch on the rocks. Make it a double.
I’ve finally decided to be a not Catholic— the millions of catholics out there who think guys like Paprocki are sanctimonious, disingenuous sacks of shit always gave me hope– i can’t do this any more; a story here but no need to recount it now
anyway, executing retarded people is a “prudential choice”; gotcha bish’
Time for me to toddle off. Take care all.
Single malt or blended…? And, Best of Luck, mi amigo…! ;-)
Pleasant dreams, Dr. D…!
besides, without the death penalty, Jesus could not have completed his mission; seriously
good night, doc
Single malt.
And now, I must join the exodus. Class at eight tomorrow. Peace out, y’all!
everybody does it; no biggie; it’s just a matter of degree– if they got caught they’re dumb and should just get bad grades for being dumb
last poll i saw Obama was leading among Catholics, which I find hilarious; my Catholic friends say that the people who support him aren’t real catholics; so I guess the real poll has Romney with 100% of the catholic vote
I don’t like to paint with a broad brush, with the RC and/or any faiths, the Nuns on the Bus and that one RC Bishop that has already been arrested at numerous Occupy actions do give me hope in all the major Faiths…!
Pleasant dreams, EDP…!
My step dad was naturally left handed. However, this would not do as far as his Catholic school nuns were concerned–the left hand is the hand of the Devil and all that superstitious bullshit. To break him of being a lefty, everyday in school the nuns beat his left hand with a ruler until he developed a stutter. And then they gave him bad grades for poor writing when he used his right.
If by backbone of the church we mean those who must then be most responsible for–what was Paprocki’s phrase?–its “intrinsic evil,” then I’m inclined to agree.
I’d like to put this to the “lesser evil” crowd:
How does it work out for you if you inactively participate in putting the Party in power who is fine with keeping LGBT youths on the street, and increasing the likelihood of their death?
Prolly same amount of actual deaths as drone deaths abroad as LGBT youth deaths at home.
Square that circle for me please.
Stanhope with some perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brCnq5VUBDk
I grew up Catholic. In my recollection, life begins with the first breath of God’s air. ’nuff said. Go eat your wafers. And blot that blood off your chin.
Seriously, I mean how about if it works out that there are say 1k Middle Eastern Drone deaths abroad in any given year since 2009, and 2k LGBT youth deaths domestic in the same period?
I’m not arguing American Exceptionalism, I’m just arguing amounts of death, who can stop death, and who is dying.
Somebody tell me all these differences and how they matter.
yeah; you can’t; I’ve really been privileged to have many great teachers in catholic schools
It’s really simple, Kelly, we need to stop our drone pogram, here and abroad, and invest those monies and effort, in resolving our localized woes…! 8-(
too easy; that’s too easy, CT
All about stopping he drones.
But tell me how the local kids don’t die anymore when the drones are gone?
*heh* Ain’t that the Truth…! I could K.I.S.S. ya…! ;-)
It’s not just the Drones, Kelly…! I’m not all rah-rah over our Persian flights of fantasy either…! 8-(
And the IRS is doing what, exactly, about the tax exempt status of this guy’s church?
I don’t blame him for following his principles. He has taken a vow of poverty, celibacy and obedience, so his religious principles are his life. Several clauses in the Bill of Rights protect his right to live and preach his religion. And I don’t pay his salary. So, he is none of my business, really.
On the other hand, the IRS and the entire federal government, is taxpayer supported and therefore very much my business.
So, what they hell are they doing about the tax exemption to which his church is entitled?
And what are we, as citizens, going to do about the IRS’s hands off approach?
I think the luckiest people are those who learn passive resistance against what people say, about what other people say. It’s not all that hard to simply discard all of it, click it off, and make up one’s own mind.
Everyone claims they seem to know the mind of God. Frankly, I don't want to.
Even a casual perusal of the Bible reveals plenty of grist for the reactionary-conservative mill; sanctioned murder, genocide, slavery, women as property, etc. The list goes on and on. Assertions that God is a god of peace are ridiculous; don't even bother. You will never win them over.
Neither would I sweat caveats of imperiled salvation from a member of what is undoubtedly an immense and international criminal-conspiracy to shield child rapists.
I get your drift but don’t think those biblical practices were reactionary-conservative stuff per se, at least not in their day. Rather they were simply normal, even habitual responses (or “solutions?”) to the situations at hand — high mortality, periodic famine, migration forced for survival, lack of technology which we take for granted nowadays, etc.
Back then there wouldn’t have been enforceable moral prohibitions which were also impracticable and unworkable. And today’s moral values feel just, but they may turn out to be a thin veneer likely to get blown away if a calamity befalls us (or anyone else). I’m afraid we would revert at that point, and the new normal would become the very old normal.
There’s got to be like 1000-1500 bishops worldwide, eh? Even doing 24/7 fact checking on the news cycle when Paprocki spoke, The Big Cloud Guy spent less than 3 minutes listening to this opinion. That’s about an average attention span I suppose, for ” the world is going to hell-in-a-hand basket ” crowd, when Cloud Guy is forced to listen to his own appointed and anointed spiritual investment bankers. And, then give it his blessed sign off. I don’t have his patience or interest, honestly. But I only speak for myself on these matters.
maa8722, what are you saying? That biblical ethics are somehow more "true" than contemporary mores because are what lies below the mask of polite, liberal society? If so, yikes, stay the hell away from my kids and family. Would you stone (to death) your smart-mouthed kid if Simpson-Bowles comes about? How about if there is a new Grand Bargain? If not, then why? You have proven my point: bronze-age morality is no longer relevant and is, thankfully, repellant to many people.
I don"t think their behavior was even conscious. It was an instinctual reaction of frightened, xenophobic minds to a world both feared and misunderstood, hence reactionary. It is akin to murder in self-defense; maybe(?) brutally necessary at the time, but hardly something to admire, exalt or even apply to most situations; a moral code adapted, like most, from other similar cultures and religions, which served to minimize dissent, appeal to primal fears, foster obedience to (inevitably male) authority and control the populace. Well, thank God, I don't live in the 2rd Century CE.
My point was scolding these sorts of intellects with claims as to what God really meant is foolish because authoritarians never willingly relinquish power, and one plays into their game of Whom-Does-God-Favor. Scripture is full of the defense of reprehensible activity. Finally, the Holy Mother Church has destroyed all moral credibility over the child sex-abuse scandal. I cannot imagine a more concrete and elemental failure of a supposed vanguard of morality, never mind being in charge of saving our immortal souls for over 2000 years.
What would we have done with a multinational corporation that shielded child-rapists from police scrutiny by ferreting them to different district offices, when firing them would make for too much public stink? We would demand that company be torn apart, its components sold or recycled and the earth salted where it stood. No one would defend it.
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“Assertions that God is a god of peace are ridiculous . . .”
Indeed. Monotheism is an inherently violent religion in that it can’t exist without an irrevocably evil Other and the punishment of eternal damnation to keep people in line, both of which were invented by a “loving” god because without these things his existence would be meaningless.
No, I don’t think biblical ethics were, or are, “true.” Rather they were outcomes. They were not benign
Maybe it comes from my generation. I’m 65, and went to college in the mid/late ’60s when determinist sociologists and psychologists held sway — they were too skeptical acknowledging free choice as I recall. I think that crowd (from the 60s) lost credibility because the implications of their work became intolerable. Still, It kind of stuck. There were exercises “experimenting” with withdrawing this or that aspect of society with which we were familiar and dependent upon — what would result? We had to write a lot, pass our results, which were expectations, to other students for editing and dissent. There were even lab experiments which would not be permitted nowadays. I didn’t major in that field, thank goodness.
It’s awfully hard to put our contemporary template over the ancient world and make sense that way. The only way to hammer it into place is with moral judgements of what was good or bad about those times. Digging into cause and effect makes the task much harder, and may not produce the desired result.
A few years ago I read a book about the Roman Forum and the Coliseum, gladiators, public spectacle and group psychology. I’m not sure we’re as we’ll insulated from that sort of outcome as we’d hope. I think your heart’s in the right place, though, which counts toward our better side.
Yes. I’d go a step further perhaps. There is a defect in monotheistic religions which seems common. I’m not familiar with all of them by any stretch.
Why would a single supreme being need praise, adulation, love, money or anything else from any mortal? Such pandering would serve no purpose in itself, nor does the outrage and anger among mortals when other mortals don’t fall into line that way. Theoretically none of us would have one whit of impact on any supreme being regardless of what we do.
Instead, this is all about human crowd control, and nothing more.
I think the ancient Egyptians and Greeks had a handy alternative, dispensing their mortal bells and whistles among many gods. None could get out of hand that way. The people could pray for something from one specific god, and if not satisfied with the result, could try another god next day.
“. . . this is all about human crowd control . . .”
Succinctly put.