“… as he seems to be in the realm of fantasy?”

Nope. He’s stone cold sober. There will be a “bipartisan” compromise. The compromise being that both parties will give the 1% exactly what they want.

And the popping noise will be the sound of his Presidential shoe stepping on the rest of us.

There is a big difference between getting screwed and soylent-greened.

The real, and absolutely essential, question is ; when will the electorate awaken to understand that neither major party upholds our interests, neither works towards the well being of the vast majority of Americans, and both are totally committed to only the desires of corporate America.

The real race is that of accumulating campaign cash from CEO’s and special interest groups (read CEO’s). Truly, the only difference in the two major candidates are cosmetic. Obama has an actual personality and makes better speeches. Yet his first four years mirror that of George W and one might conjecture that his next four would not be all that different from the first.

Surely a Romney victory would be a disaster for progressives and working class folks, yet the last four years have been exactly that too. This nation needs to look beyond the no longer viable two party system that is, in reality, a one corporate party love fest.

No difference… as this is the kind of screw they’ll be using on us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fleischwolf-zerlegt.jpg

So rather than finding new ways to tell us that we’re doomed over and over, have you thought of any solutions?

Good morning, pups. Today we have Brooks, Nocera and Bruni. In “The Elevator Speech” Bobo has the balls to actually say that President Obama needs to tell us what he stands for, and unearth a big policy proposal to prove it. Sweet, dear Baby Jesus on roller skates… I’ll let one of the commenters say it for me: “If you don’t know what President Obama stands for or would try to do in his second term, you shouldn’t be pretending to be qualified to write a weekly column for the New York Times.” Mr. Nocera, in “They’re Not What They Used to Be,” has a question: Remember the days when the political conventions actually mattered? Yes. I do. I’m that old. Mr. Bruni offers a ray of hope. In “The Hex on Paul Ryan” he says there are few killers of reputation or recipes for discontent as surefire as the vice presidential nomination. From his lips to God’s ear.

Here they are.

The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got a variety of bagels with cream cheese this morning. Reading Bobo has caused about half of my brain cells to trickle out of my ears like oatmeal. I’m going to have another cup of tea and play with the kittens a bit — they’re much more sensible than Bobo and may restore my brain function. Have a great day.

Hey — don’t you cast aspersions on that grand device! If I had a place to clamp it in my kitchen today I’d still be using my grandmother’s.

Nah. There’s a contingent that’s all about purity and lofty ideals. Poor TBogg’s place was absolutely overrun with some virulent purity trolls yesterday.

I remember helping my grandmother with one of those. Ah, memories.
G’Morning. We’ll just all have to grit our teeth until after the election, then we can get back to discussing issues and hopefully maybe we can even find some solutions to problems.

If he thinks Obama is listening any better, he’s fooling himself. Neither candidate is a reason to celebrate.

Boxturtle (Obama sucks less, though)

I’ve got one of those. The only way to make ham salad! Food processor just doesn’t taste the same.

Boxturtle (It’ll outlive me and my children. It came from my grandmother)

I don’t see how these people are any different than the most militant teabaggers….always insisting their values be represented at the expense of everybody else’. Some make good points and it can’t be denied that our system is designed for and run by the one percent but if I have to read yet another iteration of that litany without some kind of possible solutions, I may scream. Okay folks! The problem has been adequately identified. Now, since I’ve never been the type to throw up my hands in surrender and lament how cruelly the world is treating me, what’s next? Personally I’m going to try to elect some truly Progressive representation.

If you have a wooden cutting board, you might be able to use that. I did for awhile, when I lived where the counter overhang was too short.

Boxturtle (Just wide enough to bang my elbow

Good morning all,

Yes, I’m with ya. I want to say wake me up when there’s something I don’t know. And, the sun’ll come out tomorrow, bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, there’ll be sun.
I guess I just feel like singing this morning.

My solution’s first step is overturning Citizens United. Then I’d institute fines for deceptive political advertisments that included advertising corrections.

Work to elect progressives will go easier if their voices aren’t drowned out by craploads of money.

Boxturtle (I’d like to see a “none of the above” option for any elected position)

a 1 1/2 ‘ X 1 /12 ” block of wood held against the counter edge, under the screw, would grip the counter tight beings that the counter is 1 9/16″ thick. Making dust all my life I find answers in wood first.

Don’t just overturn Citizens United though. ALL money has to come out of the system. Public financing of elections, equal free access on the networks for campaigning is the only fair way.

Gotta go to work!

Be excellent today, Peg.

Correct !

Jeez, O-Bots versus Purity Ponies. All we need now is an Action Faction to complete the scene.

I’m using my vote intelligently. Here’s the deal. If polling for my state (and my state only) shows the candidate from the Blue Dog Party polling more than twice the MOE ahead of the candidate from the Mad Dog party (very probable in Illinois), I’m voting for a third party candidate. If not, I’ll vote for the Lesser of Two Evils.

In my congressional district (IL-08), there’s Rahm’s Pet Blue Dog (Duckworth) and Deadbeat Dad Mad Dog (Walsh). Duckworth is gonna coast, so I’m third party there for sure.

Yer vote — use it. Not such a big deal. But am I “in”? Do I want to sign Birthday Cards? Heck, no. I’ll spend my money and time supporting candidates who represent me.

morning, it’s about the empty chairs. Obama has said and worked for democratic goals like health care and stimulus, and ending torture and war in Iraq, but the other side has other ideas they want up there so they’re not going to deal in reality/facts, and have proved it every which way (but loose).

Thanks, Marion, love the comment at NYT, would like Will to be thrown in there too.

I would make the observation that the vast majority of anti-Obama comments on FDL do not come from purity trolls. I think we need to restrict the definition of that term a little. But YMMV

Agreed, but I don’t know how to get there. I’d get really annoyed if I thought any of my tax money went to the current crop of ads and I’m in favor of public financing.

Boxturtle (I’d probably grab my musket if i thought my tax dollars were going to robocalls)

Real wood, plywood, particle board, or glulam? And if real wood, hardwoods only or will you settle for mere pine?

Seriously though, wood is a great place to look for answers.

Thanks, Marion, Bobo went this low; ‘He’s used a more partisan political style to mask his small-bore policy substance. ‘

Priceless. Trying to get democratic public interest legislation is partisan and working for it is masking something that’s focused! The idiot can’t use language for any purpose but to detract from people trying to save the country he’s using badly in order to be in with the money crowd.

I’d probably grab my musket if i thought my tax dollars were going to robocalls

Google “fungible.”

Right now, its the Koch Bros who are funding the robocalls I get, I think. They’re all Rmoney and most of ‘em are filled with slimy innuendo.

I find the one warning seniors what Obama is going to do to SS and Medicare funny. Rmoney will do much worse, but they don’t mention that.

Boxturtle (In fact, in that call they don’t mention Rmoney at all)

Only if the pine is old growth, not plantation, pine for sure. ( It does look like wood though)

You don’t think you’re (we’re) funding the Koch brothers?

Favorite Rmoney talking point is Obama is stealing from Medicare to fund Obamacare. Is there anyone present at FDL who doesn’t know this is Rmoney – fungible – wording for doing what he proposes to do, saving money on wasteful programs that have proved not to do what Medicare is intended to do, provide medical care for those who need it?

I would say that nearly all understand that. They also understand that he appears ready to make Medicare part of a “Grand Bargan” to “save” it.

What Obama intends to do will not be shown so much by what our worst fears are but by the results of what he gets by negotiations, and that he is in contention with the worst elements of our society does look bad, but all the more desirable that we work for the forces pitted against them.

And Ruth, the simple fact is that Obama and his administration are not on the side of the forces pitted against the 1%.

Have you paid your fealty to the lords of health insurance yet this day?

I’d be more interested in the “Action Faction” portion of our little town meeting here!

Defeating Citizens United is a great goal…but when you trace back all the cause and effect related circumstances one thing becomes clear.

Corporate “personhood” is the legal fiction and enabler of many money problems in the US consumer, financial, and political systems. Therefore I say take all actions necessary to “Cancel Corporate Personhood!”

So, rather than spew your venom all over this forum as some Disney like ogre or guardian of “political correctness” perhaps you might invest in a reading comprehension class.

I have, and I am certain those not you and your coterie of hags gathered around your cauldron, have noted my repeated suggestions to alter the course of American politics.

Have you no shame at all?

“Virulent purity trolls” you claim.

Yeah, dont you just hate it when people speak out for a return to sanity, a rejection of Obama fascism and criticize a President who ordered new and expanded wars, drone attacks on innocents, the murder of three American citizens without recourse to due process, welcomes a corrupt and criminal coterie of Financial Industry criminals into his administration, sleeps with Big Pharma and stewards a plunging economy that benefits only the very few.

Whats wrong with these people?