Given the way that Mitt Romney’s campaign recently managed to turn an extended overseas photo-op into an exercise in self-immolation, followed by the ongoing Chinese water torture-style debate over his unrevealed tax returns — gosh, the trip to Europe sure did a great job steering the conversation away from that, didn’t it?! — it’s not exactly going out on a limb to say that he’s proving to be something less than an ideal presidential candidate.
So it’s not surprising that some eyes are starting to turn toward 2016, wondering if the GOP can come up with anyone better then. In fact, New Jersey governor Chris Christie may have been both premature and immodest when he signaled his own interest in running, but hardly anyone seemed shocked.
But it’s hard to see how Christie (or any of the the other Republicans whose names have been floated as possible ’16 contenders) gets around the structural problems that caused this year’s GOP nomination to become such a fiasco. As I’ve been writing since 2004, the Republicans are caught in the irony of needing a presidential standard-bearer who obscures their party’s cruel agenda, rather than promoting it.
Reagan succeeded because he was an actor, George Bush because he was a bland-faced non-entity with a familiar name… and it’s no accident that Dubya marketed himself as a “compassionate conservative,” while John McCain’s 2008 run only found favor in the polls when his nominating convention sold him relentlessly (and unsustainably) as a “maverick.” Even worse, the need to establish one’s conservative bona fides amid the ever-escalating rabid fervor of the GOP’s Tea Party base makes it even harder for up-and-coming Republican candidates to pull off that kind of mass deception.
Of course, the Democrats have their own problems. In 2004, one could watch the convention speeches of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Edwards, and be confident that in four years the party could put forward an articulate, effective spokesperson for its agenda (even if that agenda wasn’t as progressive as many of us would like). I admit that I haven’t even looked yet at who will be addressing the convention this time around, but it sure seems like there aren’t any “rising stars” of that caliber.
And if you throw in the added challenge of finding a Democratic candidate who will live up to even a fraction of the watered-down message they ran on once they get into the White House… well, that’s so depressing that I won’t even go there.




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Earlier this summer, Christie made a fool of himself on the boardwalk at Seaside Heights, NJ. This might raise questions about whether he has the right temperament for the Oval Office.
Hola, Swopa.
SWOPA!
Somebody call Sea World and tell them their manatee got out.
Our rising star is Elizabeth Warren, I hope. And just maybe that good looking mayor of San Antonio. Certainly no one from the Senate Dems.
Looks more like Jabba-the-Hut to me, Peg.
Swopa!
When the lunatics take over the asylum, as they have in the GOP, the results are not going to be pretty. I am somewhat less concerned about the Democrats. Obama was still pretty much an unknown before he ran (which probably has a lot to do with his popularity).
You are sooooooo bad! :)
It might, except that Tea Partiers like impulse control issues.
Only if Jabba just got off a week long bender.
I think one of the reasons why Fox is going after Elizabeth Warren is that they see her as a viable candidate in 2016. She has all that it takes and the field is thin.
I do believe the GOP is punting this term. Romney hasn’t made his acceptance speech yet, but he’s a loser. I don’t see anything good for the GOP. A flagging demographic. South. No stars on the horizon (despite the cheerleading of the right-wing MSM). Guess we’ll get that other Republican, Obama. Crap.
Elizabeth Warren, yes. We’re a little skosh in Governor’s ranks. I suppose Big Bill Richardson might have one more run in him. I’d rather not see him run — he’s too damaged at this point. We’ll have to see what Hillary decides to do, too.
Watch the convention to see who emerges. Remember that Obama was not on anyone’s list in 2004 until after the convention.
heh. Well about the current VP picks though…who will be Boba Fett? Hmm?
Wholeheartedly agree. Rmoney is the modern Goldwater. They don’t want a Republican President when they are so successfully fund raising off opposition to Obama.
Fox going after Warren is like Br’er Fox going after Br’er Rabbit. It’s difficult to read anything more into it than the natural order of things.
Besides, Fox is in the wrong market to make any mileage against Warren, aren’t they?
It is to laugh.
Maybe they haven’t announced the VP because no one wants that dirty job – all that work and then lose.
I gotta admit, that recalls Christie quite well…
I can see that – but I don’t wholeheartedly agree. Because these people always play to win.
And really, I think that THEY think, they have a winning message in “Hey we’re rich! Vote for us! You may be rich someday too (but not bloody likely you frikking fool – he he)!”
That’s a good point, I hadn’t thought about Warren.
Rubio is lobbying hard for the job but I think he’s the only one stupid enough to be unable to see the writing on the wall.
Certainly explains the need to travel a few hundred feet by limo after getting out of his sail barge…er, helicopter.
You know how I feel about ya Kelly but I’m going to err on the side of cynicism this time I think. ;)
Right – that’s the other hand in the handshake – someone has to agree to run with Willard, WhoseTaxonomyIsUnsureAndLikelyOdious.
ROTFLMAO!
The subarctic grifter (a/k/a Bible Spice and Caribou Barbie) found a decent paying wingnut welfare gig out of the run.
Surely they can do at least as much for this run’s ____________ [I got no adjectives that work, you're on your own.]
A man called Petreaus.
Being a general he instantly side steps all the petty I am more conservative, whatever that means at any moment, stuff. Conservative hearts would be aflutter.
He could leak tomorrow that he would accept the nomination this year and he would have it. Period. They would get’er done.
America longs for its Caesar.
Heh – I’m going to err on the side of “I Dunno What The Fuck Any Of Them Are Thinking Because They’re All Fucking Insane” ism….
Okay, NOW we can wholeheartedly agree! Hard to find meaning on a page with nothing but randomly typed characters, eh?
The Democratic Party is full of people who obscure their party’s cruel agenda just fine! Couldn’t the Republicans, y’know, consult them?
ummmm, not so much. We didn’t elect Dugout Doug MacArthur when we had the chance.
Of course, what we should have done was court-martial his sorry ass after the December 1941 debacle in the Philippines.
But the word salad at the debates is going to be amusing.
We already had that 60 years ago and he should more sense than Caesar.
kjhg $%^& oiu***** !!!
right?
:)
Word Salad – tossed in Austerity dressing with a dash of populism, and a soupcon of FREEDUMB!
Yummeh
Are you coaching Rmoney for the debates? That’s pretty f—ing coherent for Rmoney.
Incomprehensible, but amusing. You know, Romney might even manage to make Palin look articulate. Sad really, since Rmoney actually has a functioning brain (not functioning very well, but functioning).
Yeah, I just don’t think we’re going to elect a general to fix the economy. That just doesn’t seem like a good fit this cycle. Just my .02.
Populism? There isn’t a hint of populism in Rmoney’s appeal that I can find.
See? You sounded just like Steve King. Or Sean Hannity. Or Rush Limbaugh. Or Grover Norquist or ∞
Last comment, FWIW: Whoever Mittens picks, s/he would have the inside lap to be leader of the GOP in 2016 general election.
I think that’s what they’re angling for, and where the money’s at.
But that field is awfully weak.
Just a thought, anyhoo.
There is not one iota of populism in his entire being.
I’ve been trying to coach him on “Ia!! Shub Nigurrath” for DAYS!!
But, to no avail…
Kind of the opposite of populism. There’s a word for it…now, what was that again?…elitism.
Mormons worship the Cthulhu Mythos?
I cannot think of a lot of GOP VPs who went on to be the candidate.
The MSM is hard at work fluffing Romney.
Romney sez he will “open up all that free oil in the USA and make USA energy independent”.
“No more oil imports from the ME or Venezuela”, sez Romney.
Translation: Romney wants to give free oil (from federal lands) to Big Oil to sell at market prices. (Isn’t that what Dubya did and Obama is doing?)
Forget the stupididy of that remark for a moment to consider that half of Americans believe such incredible bullshit.
That’s not for me to answer.
See what I did there? ;)
Sure! Haven’t you heard about the R’lyeh Tabernacle Choir?
LOL!
None since Bush I (and he was sitting VP), and prior to him, one Richard “Tricky Dick” Nixon.
Reckon Willard’s birth certificate coulda been telegrammed in from The Mountains of Madness?
Besides, Cthulhu has his own ticket.
Richard Milhous Nixon
No Romney supporter cares who Mitt Romney is. The important thing for such people is that he’s not Barack Obama, never mind that Jill Stein is also not Barack Obama and is a far more decent person than Mitt Romney. It’s counter-intuitive.
Really? Did he say this? This will never happen.
He was a sitting Vice President when he won the R nod in 1960. Being a VP candidate on a losing ticket seems to be a kind of a kiss-of-death for both parties. I’m pressed to think of a Democrat that lost as VP and came back to head a ticket.
Bush Senior?
Or George H. W. Bush?
Since when do politicians promise things that’ll never happen?
And now to combine comments 53 and 54.
There is no way the existing US oil reserves could supply the US for more than a few years and much of that would take years or decades to develop and start producing. Much of it like the Bakken Formation, can only be obtained by frakking, and most of our so called reserves are shale oil, which cannot currently be produced at economical prices.
Dunno. But Nixon got two cracks at the presidency, and I don’t think we’ll ever see that happen again.
Isn’t that all they do?
Him and Bush the Elder were the only two I could think of. That ain’t a lot.
It may be the casevthat it really doesn’t matter who’s Pres. A case could be made that Obama today does not call the shots. If that’s the case it really doesn’t matter, though as several people have pointed out having been Pres is good for the cv, Clinton a case in point..
More evidence (like more evidence was needed) that Rmoney uses magical thinking as well wearing magical undies.
No, sometimes they embezzle money, too.
Gerald Ford.
No vegetarian cares about what isn’t meat either as far as what they’re going to put in their pie-hole, as long as it’s not meat.
Brilliance!
1) Shit isn’t meat.
2) Vegetarians don’t eat meat.
3) Vegetarians eat…
Like I said, counter-intuitive.
My recollection is that no one (including Tricky Dick himself) thought it would happen then. When Pat Brown kicked his ass in the ’62 Governor’s race in California, he told the press, “You won’t have Dick Nixon to kick around any more.”
Ford is such an interesting footnote in history. He was never elected.
Everyone needs a hobby.
Personally I think that anybody who believes in a deity is more likely to abdicate responsibility in tough decisions to that deity. Yet a President who is deeply faithful is something that Americans find comforting. I guess society will always bewilder and disturb me.
Boy oh boy, was he ever wrong.
True but he ran against Carter after inheriting the office from a disgraced Nixon.
But he was nominated. That one stretches things a bit, since he technically was nominated as the sitting president and not VP.
The part of the Tricky Dick story that I still don’t understand is how that sorry paranoid bastard ever got rehabilitated. FYVM Gerald Ford, the only unelected President in our history.
Yes, but Gerald Ford was never elected president by the people. I’m probably wrong, but I think he’s the only president who shares this distinction, with George Washington. (Experts?)
But he was a Republican VP after Spriro T. Agnew, or was it Rockefeller? I can’t keep track.
It is indeed a rare case in which a Vice President inherits the office from the former President and then runs for the same office at the end of the former executive’s term. I wonder how many times that has happened?
LOL – if you put shit on the eating menu, well gawd bless you. Rational people don’t.
So what your intuitive/counter-intuitive thing is, I don’t get. Because, I don’t eat shit, regardless of how far you want to extend an analogy.
Al Gore was a vice-President who was elected President…
Yeah. I addressed that but thanks.
If you call that an election.
But not a Republican.
There was a thing that was weird about the last Prez election though. They were both Senators on the ticket. That only happened once before, I think.
Lemme look that up.
No, there have been several. Andrew Johnson and Teddy Roosevelt to name two off the top of my head and Harrison’s VP.
But he was not a Republican.
(Excluding VP’s who become prez because of assassination or the like.)
I owe you a beverage, it would seem.
Ford (Lost)
Johnson (vice Kennedy, won)
Truman (vice F. Roosevelt, won)
Coolidge (vice Harding, won)
T. Roosevelt (vice McKinley, won)
Andrew Johnson (vice Lincoln, did not seek a second term)
I thought it was pretty clear.
What’s counter-intuitive is that Obama opponents, regardless of their right-wing sentiments, would support someone as obviously unworthy of their Obama-dislike as Mitt Romney despite the presence of other candidates. Romney’s main claim to fame, besides his clear snobbery and inability to lie convincingly, is that as governor of Massachusetts he pushed through the health plan that Obama later Federalized.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
John Tyler was actually elected President after he finished Harrison’s term.
It turns out that’s not true. My bad!
Johnson was elected Vice President: the electorate knew that he was there in case Lincoln was removed.
Gerald Ford was elected to neither national office. Also, aside from A. Johnson and G. Ford, all VP’s who succeeded to the Presidency were elected in their own right in the next election.
Whoops. Chester A. Arthur was not nominated by the GO(T)P at the end of Garfield’s term…
It turns out that’s not true. My bad!
Time for me to toddle off. Take care all.
To circle back, if you look at the Republican Party, I think they’re positioning for 2016.
The hard part is figuring out who’s playing for position. Jeb? Rubio? Not a strong field. So who?
I hope an ill-wind blows.
Night DrD. I’m not far behind ya.
After I posted that, I got to wondering if that is what you meant.
Let’s employ Jabberwocky-tongue as that is what is obviously necessary here.
My dear frumitous crum, right wing is not the essence here, as much as the frumiousness of your bandisnatchery.
For until the parliamentariness of the mostofus is established, the damnandshittous of choiceiness makes electory shite – A LOT. The Stein-iness? not so much.
There. Perhaps understanding can be had.
Yeah. I see a difference from some schmuck who we elected Vice President in a succession and someone appointed to the office by a sitting President.
Good night, Peg, Dick. I’m heading out myself.
Yep, they really have no one right now but Obama came out of nowhere so it’s possible their candidate isn’t well known yet. I’ve stopped trying to predict these things and am focusing instead on analyzing the things we do know.
Manatees are adorable. Christie is not.
What followed sounded more like Vogon poetry to me Kel. Just sayin’…
I wondered why I was semiconscious and drooling.
Another distinguishing characteristic. If it makes you go “Awwww”, it’s probably a manatee but if it makes you hurl, then it’s likely Christie. Great tip, thanks.
Had you begun contemplating navel lint yet? I think we all just had a very close call.
Is there any evidence that Jabberwocks are NOT VOGONS? Hmmm!
I mean really.
Claiming that an anti Romney vote, as cassiodorus did, is some how RIGHT WING! I just have to laugh. And gibberish is the best response to gibberish, which is my point.
Claiming that I claimed that an anti-Romney vote (which I never discussed) is “some how RIGHT WING!” — now there’s some gibberish for you.
Got any other mischaracterizations you’d like to make?
Oh, I fully concur. Just yesterday I was lamenting the fact that we are forbidden to say so many things these days because…Obama…or something. It’s become an obsession.
Gonna take my tired butt to bed though. Oya koinu.
I read once that the only failed Veep candidate ever elected President was FDR, who ran in 1920 on the Democratic ticket and was then elected President in 1932.
Isn’t it amazing to think that the 100th anniversary of that presidential election is only three cycles away?
And to Swopa’s point, I fully expect Senator Warren to be the nominee, the GOP will salivate over another liberal Massachusetts Democrat to oppose. With whom? Christie, yuck. Jeb, yuck. Rubio, yuck.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the GOP hand the whole shootin’ match over to the Teabaggers in 2016 and nominate Cruz (TX) or Paul (KY). Or both.
“And if you throw in the added challenge of finding a Democratic candidate who will live up to even a fraction of the watered-down message they ran on once they get into the White House… well, that’s so depressing that I won’t even go there.”
And yet, that is the only political “place” that seems to me to be really worth going anymore.
A single-view political system is more repugnant than any one political party or any individual, especially when that one view is conservative, nationalistic, etc.
Need i add that I think we have been heading in that direction?
It has been rare that a President has not served his entire term.
Roosevelt died in office and Harry Truman ran when FDR’s term would have ended and won. Same for John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.
Nixon resigned and Ford ran and lost.
You’re welcome. (You put it more memorably, so thanks for that.)
Elizabeth Warren gives me some discomfort. She is a little too Clintonesque for my taste and I don’t think she’s as progressive as people think. She could be another Obama redux.
I think the reason that Fox is going after Warren is that she is a Democrat. They don’t seem to need any other reason.
However, Warren is also running against Scott Brown, who won the seat of the U.S. Senator who was supposed to be THE most liberal Democratic Senator from THE most liberal state and upon the death of that Senator. No Republican wants Brown defeated by anyone.
I am willing to reserve judgment to see what she does if she gets elected, but I have had those thoughts.
Then again, I cannot think of many of today’s Democrats who are not “Clintonesque” or even further right.
The Party has not really supported candidates for national office who are noticeably left of center right. Those who were first elected as liberals (relatively) back in the day, like Schumer and Kerry, seem to have fallen in line.
Franken would be something of an exception because he was a celebrity before he ever got into politics, even as a pundit.
Then again, as a U.S. Senator, you get to vote nay on a horrible bill and yea on a somewhat less horrible bill.
Of course, you can put up a bill of your own, but good luck on getting anything “leftish” by U.S. Senators of either Party.
Well, on today’s Left, Right and Center, the assembled sages were already babbling about Texas Teahadist Ted Cruz’s potential as a POTA candidate.
“Radical Centrist” Matt Miller is impressed with Cruz’s academic pedigree and intellectualism.
How come nobody’s talking about Alan Grayson? He has both smarts and guts.
Technically, the President of the United States cannot legally be elected by the people.
Few few electors–maybe only one–have ever voted at variance with the popular vote in their state, though. And I think any elector who voted at variance with the popular vote in his or her state these days would have a lot to fear.
Still, it is the several states that elect our Presidents.
He must have been on someone’s list if he got to give the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention of 2004.
I notice this time, Bill Clinton is giving it (again), which is an interesting turn. Wonder what it means.
Americans never had the chance to elect MacArthur because he was never nominated. We liked Ike an awful lot, though.
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Warren will be giving a prime time speech at the convention and I suspect that she will wow people. After she beats Brown, the speculation about her running will go into overdrive. She is not perfect, but she will fight the rich which Cuomo and O’Malley won’t.
The overriding issue, however, is going to be climate change because the drought, floods, tornados, food shortages, power outages, and monster hurricanes are just going to become worse. It is highly likely that having all of them happen every year will be the new normal and it will get worse from there. I do not know if Warren will take on climate change and, even if she does, it will be hard to beat the oil companies, right wing lies, and the denial of most of us.
Oh, for God’s sake. Vice-Presidents get nominated. Failed Vice Presidential candidates don’t, as a rule. The last one to do so was Bob Dole. The last one before that was Franklin Roosevelt. And their nominations came 20 and 12 years after their VP run, after they had established themselves as something other than the VP candidate–Dole as Senate Majority Leader and Roosevelt as Governor of New York.
Concur, Warren will get nomination. Biden and Hillary will beat her up first though. San Antonio VP.
Don’t forget tricky Dick,… then again maybe we should.
The presidency is far less important a problem than the House and Senate.