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On September 17, 2011, the Occupy Wall Street movement first encamped in New York City’s Zuccotti Park, soon renamed Liberty Square. Within weeks, Occupy groups were spreading like wildfire throughout the United States so that, even today after the breakup of the encampments, almost every major city in the United States has an active Occupy cell. In those first months, thousands took to the streets and made groundbreaking use of social media to orchestrate major actions nationwide; the United States became the latest country to develop a major people’s movement since the wave of protest began in the Middle East earlier that year. The Occupy name, and the ideas behind it, quickly became international.
Tonight our guest is Dennis Trainor, Jr, director of American Autumn: An Occudoc, the full-length documentary on the rise of Occupy Wall St. The film is full of beautiful footage of occupiers as they march in the streets, mic check inside government meetings, and interfere with foreclosure auctions. There is, of course, extensive coverage of the brutal police crackdown on the movement. There’s vibrant music from folk singers, rappers, and radical marching bands like the Rude Mechanicals. The willingness of brave people to face physical violence and police oppression that’s led to over 7,000 arrests is chronicled lovingly with on-the-ground video.
Dennis Trainor, Jr, is no outsider, but a gonzo journalist at these events — like so many others who have come to chronicle this movement, he’s intimately involved. Autumn features footage of Trainor’s arrests and his involvement in many other actions. However, he never monopolizes the screen — lengthy interviews and engaging speeches are included by political pundits like Dr. Cornell West and Michael Moore, but also organizers, comedians, union representatives, veterans, Verizon workers and regular people who occupy.
Right at the outset, Trainor punctures the idea that OWS must have a single, simple demand. Its demands are the very lives and well-being of the occupiers and all of the 99%. Using crisp, entertaining animated graphics, American Autumn explains each of the key issues that this diverse movement links together: incarceration and the rise of the police state, health care, home foreclosures, war, and so on. It’s clear that the diversity of this movement is not its weakness but actually one of its strengths, forging new connections and making allies in unexpected places.
This is the last great hope for life as we know it. -George Barda Greenpeace activist
Many have pointed out that Occupy Wall Street “changed the national dialogue,” forcing both major parties to address issues like inequality, education and class struggle. American Autumn also makes it clear that the Occupy movement has changed protest. While it draws from roots in the 60s and earlier, there are new tools, new techniques, and a new attitude — in addition to larger numbers of people willing to “be part of the solution” than we’ve seen in decades, if ever. Occupy Wall Street at its best is not just about getting corporate money out of politics, or responding to the depravity of the big banks, but about changing what it means to have a voice in America.



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Dennis, Welcome to the Lake.
Hello everyone. Thanks for joining us.
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Please stay on topic/s–in this case tonight’s film American Autumn: An OccuDoc; the filmmakers; occupy wall street, and the issues it encompasses. If you’d like to discuss today’s other newsworthy matters, please find a post elsewhere or make one on myFDL. Thank you.
Welcome to Firedoglake Movie Night, Dennis, and thank you so very much for being here tonight!
Kit, you can grab the embed code from youtube and put it in this post by going here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr6JNd7lJ0o
Hi, this is Kit O’Connell, your host for tonight. I am a writer, MyFDL editor, occupier and gonzo gournalist also. I began reporting on the Occupy movement in Austin, Texas in November of 2011.
Dennis, I am excited about getting to have this conversation with you today. Tell us about how you got involved with OWS not just as an occupier but what led to your decision to make a feature length film.
There have been a few embedding issues lately here… :/
Dennis, Thank you for a great film. Did you start when Occupy happened or afterwards?
It was a story I was moved to tell. I was involved w. organizing for october2011.org (we were calling for a DC occupation long before adbusters made the call for wall st. on sept 17) ans when OWS took off , we became one chapter in a much larger story
i started working on this in may of 2011.
So did you have any suspicion of how big it would become back in May? What did the movie look like then in your mind?
Thanks Bev Glad to be here.
It flet like something was in the air. There was the June 14th attempt to occupy Wall st., then Bloombergville – and before that Wiscosnsin – but I would be lying if I told you I thought it was going to be this big .. Who knew?!?! :)
Did you stay with the OWS occupation, the interviews with the occupiers are memorable.
Tell me a little about getting arrested. How many times have you been arrested in OWS and what was it like?
Bev:
I spent time at a few occupations – Boston, DC (both of the DC occupations :) )and NYC…. Then spent a lot of time interviewing people after the evictions. All told, shot over 250 hours of footage
I was arrested 2x, both in DC.
DC and Boston police acted much different than the NYPD – my arrests were premeditated – I knew what I was getting into – as we have seen in NYC, people were often arrested and brutalized for no reason
My first arrest was in the Hart Senate office building on the first day of the fall legislative session. We wanted to send a message that we can fix the budget by ending the wars and taxing the rich. They asked me to leave. I would not. They hauled me off…
Dennis tell me about the tools you used to create the movie — the cameras you used and what you used to edit it. Is this your first full length movie?
My second arrest was with Cornel West on the steps of the Supreme Court protesting Citizens United. Turns out is illegal to hold any protest signs on the steps of the supreme court. We had signs. We would not leave ☺
Mahalo, Dennis, for all your efforts, and to Kit and Bev…!
Are you working on another film about Occupy…?
It is my 1st full length field doc – I have one other full length, but it is a mash up.
I shot the movie on Panasonic DVX 200, in 720p/24fps (for any techies out there).
I got very lucky in that I found an amazing co-editor/ post production supervisor to help me pull this across the finish line
we edited the movie on final cut pro 7
It’s clear that Occupy means different things to different people. What are your top issues? What got you most passionate?
Wow, putting me right back to work, huh? (haha!)
I don’t know what is next for me. I am submitting this to film festivals all over, trying to get it out there.
I will also be embedded with occupy groups going to the DNC/ RNC/ and events leading up to Sept 17 in NYC. So, that might be the start of another movie, who knows?
US foreign policy, which I like to call a blowback inducing bull in a cultural religious and geopolitical china shop .. but I am also passionate about single payer healthcare/ student debt/ and jail the F**ing bankers!
Dennis, is there a program to have home showings of the documentary – with talking points for discussions afterwards?
What’s your primary involvement with Occupy as an activist these days, as opposed to a film maker?
What do you think occupiers can do to actually affect the progress of the war machine?
Rawk on…! Occupy everywhere…! ;-)
What are some of the key actions that you’re focused on, say Occupy ALEC/Foreclosure/etc…?
Kit – I used to think of myself as an organizer, but I think my strength is in media. I am a very biased indie media producer who sees his role in trying to expand #occupy.
Awesome…! Occupy AIPAC…! ;-)
Dennis, great work ! It has been a pleasure to be with you in the streets.
key actions included – end the wars, foreclosure defense (great scene in the movie of an occupy Worcester foreclosure defense) – REAL healthcare reform (Single PAyer now) … but MOST important is this: no single issue is powerful enough to win alone (memo to Bill McKibben, we are on your side, and you should be on ours!) rather the strength of occupy is in changing the whole system
Thanks Chuck!
Bev:
There are plenty of screenings being scheduled, but I have not put together a post show program – people are free to have whatever conversations surrounding this that they wish.
What do you think occupiers like us can do to actually affect the progress of the war machine?
Are you planning on going to the D or R conventions?
…the strength of occupy is in changing the whole system.
Exactly…! That’s why it’s so frustrating when my local reporters come up and ask that infernal question: What do you stand for? *gah*
Chuck
I will be at both the DNC and the RNC. Filming. Rebel Rousing. and giving BOTH the GOP and the DEMS hell.
I say GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS (even if that may be as hard as getting the RATS out of NYC) all roads lead back that single issue.
True
Occupy can’t be (or should not be) pushed into a corner. Capitalism is crumbling – we have to prepare for what is next
You end the movie by looking forward to the upcoming elections. Do you think we’re reaching the candidates, parties, or their supporters with our Occupy Obama / Unwelcome /Mr 1% type protests?
Welcome Chuck and thanks for your work documenting these so important events.
Hey CT, I’ll join you for that one!
I do think we are. many people are totally disgusted with the choices this system delivers and are sick of “choosing the lesser of two evils”
I also think that the (negative) fallout from the WI recall effort should be a lesson and a warning to us all that we should not fight so much internally. Naomi Klein has a beautiful speech in the movie where she says that we should not be fighting with ourselves, that this movement is the most important thing in the world, and that we have picked a very powerful adversary and NOT to fight with the person sitting next to us simply b/c that is an easier fight to win.
We’ve been very proactive in growing our own food here, Occupy Hilo has planted sweet potatoes, taro, and other foodstuffs, along sidewalks and lane dividers in downtown Hilo, and, trying to push the County to free up county-owned land for citizens gardens, amongst a slew of other actions…! ;-)
That is fantastic – keep it up!
We must “Stop the Machine”! Thank you FDL for having Dennis. His work as an organizer, activist, and producer is for the people. Please share his work and lets meet in the streets, our streets.
Aloha, Siun…! I’d be delighted to link arms with ya at their H Street HQ in DC sometime…! ;-)
You’ve got a date m’dear!
What is the future of encampments or tents in OWS, if any post eviction?
There is a scene early on in the movie- a voiceover with Kinetic text and original music created by OWS/ Guitarmy organizer Goldi- that serves as my invitation for people to join #Occupy. This is a bit long, but here it is anyway:
****FUCK YOU GORDON GEKKO ****
You know that scene from the Oliver Stone film Wall Street when Gordon Gekko- played by Michael Douglass in a role that would win him an Oscar, appears at a shareholder’s meeting of a company- TelDar paper- to defend his actions and his grotesque world view and delivers the now famous speech where he says:
The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed—for lack of a better word—is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. And greed—you mark my words—will not only save Tel Dar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA!”
Audiences flipped out.
They cheered.
Every body in the 80s wanted to be Gordon Gekko.
But the thing is this: Oliver Stone wrote it as a piece of Satire. But nobody got it. Just the opposite.
While Oliver Stone was trying to send up the excesses of the Reagan Era, Michael Douglass’s portrayal helped inspire a whole generation of slick backed hairdos in double breasted suits adopting the “greed is good” ethos, and fast forward to today and pursuing the American Dream as it has come to be defined, now delivers obscene wealth for a very few while raining poverty and misery down on many and serving as a homicidal force for others.
Because People do, in fact, die for lack of access to health care in the richest country in the world (that’s the US of A). Human consumption is, in fact, accelerating the destruction of our planet.
People do, in fact, die in wars waged based on lies that profit a precious few.
Over 5 million children globally each year do not reach their 5th birthday because they die of starvation.
All of this is not because the system that puts man on the moon or can squeeze an entire library onto a computer chip the size of a thumbnail has failed to find a way to solve these problems, rather our system, without apology, places corporate greed above human need.
And greed, to take back the popular phrase, is not good.
Fuck you Gordon Gecko.
Now the question many within the Occupy movement are trying to solve is this one: what would a world look like that had a culture and an economic system that places human need above corporate greed, and how do we bring that world into being?
Who cares what it is called.
Call it Socialism, Call it Real Democracy Now, and Call it Chunky-Monkey-Cherry Garcia.
The world needs to change radically, it needs to change dramatically, and it needs to change fast.
This documentary is an invitation for you to participate in that positive change.
Frankly, because, we need you. Yes, you.
Dennis, one aspect of Occupy I find fascinating is how it serves as an incubator for talent … such as your engagement with film. Are there ways we can support such new talent coming up? are there other films or media efforts we should be noting? just curious.
thank you for this incredible documentary that you’ve made available for free. i can barely tear myself away from it to come tell you how awesomely well done it is.
WOnderful invitation Dennis! thank you!
thank you and yes – FREE distribution is key. the medium (of distribution) is the message
Well, this film was made with funds I raised on kickstarter (more came later from an “Angel investor”) but one thing we can all do is support indie artists raising $$ in a crowd sourced way.
The world needs to change radically, it needs to change dramatically, and it needs to change fast.
Fuckin’ A Right…! Right Now…! 8-(
What do you think of the current state of Occupy? We all know it’s not ‘dead’ but what do you see happening now?
I just shared your YT full clip on FB’s Occupy Streamers…! ;-)
I see lots of planning (in nyc) for #S17
I see smaller groups banding together to make stuff happen.
I see people feeling empowered to do something besides wait for the winner of the next election.
I Also see the problem of the media ignoring the movement w/o a physical occupation.
So, this movement may not even be called “occupy” in a few years.
and YES – I said years. If anyone thought change was going to be easy, or FAST, sorry to break this to you, but there is a lot of work to do.
However, when the next economic downturn happens, when the next Union is busted, when the student debt bubble bursts, #Occupy will be there, and Occupy will grow.
Was there a particular action you were involved with or witnessed which was especially inspiring you’d like to highlight with us tonight?
That’s one thing that struck me yesterday when I was watching the Occupy folks in Anaheim. When they arrived at the neighborhood vigil for Manuel Diaz they showed real respect for the neighborhood – and offered to arrange medic and livestreaming training. It was precisely what great organizing can be and made me love Occupy even more.
There were so many. Here are a few:
- The early days in Freedom Plaza, Washington DC – I helped organize the event, and suddenly there were over 1000 people sleeping in public space, planning actions, forming bonds, changing lives … that was an incredibly powerful and humbling experience- to be part of the core group that pulled that together
- Also in Boston, the night there was supposed to be an eviction, and Occupy Boston staged a dance party with the Second line Brass Band & the Boston Police backed off- amazing night.
- And October 14 at OWs, when mayor Bloomberg announced he was going to evict & 5000 showed up before dawn to stand in solidarity (and go to jail if need be). On that morning the 7th largest army in the world (the NYPD) backed down and we held the space. THAT felt like victory. If we could bottle whatever was in the air that night/ morning – revolution would not be far off.
That is good. That has not always been the case, so perhaps we are learning some lessons.
So what’s your personal answer to the revolution vs. reform question you ask at the beginning of the movie?
I think we are. We offended some other activists in Austin, but in the last few months we’ve become incredibly good at reaching out to other groups, building coalitions, and reaching the populace on specific issues.
January 2012 Occupy the Inauguration. The D’s and R’s are the corporate tools.
On that morning the 7th largest army in the world (the NYPD) backed down and we held the space.
What are your thoughts on the militarized response and the JTTF coordination in the crackdowns and/or evictions…?
I actually like Todd Gitlin’s answer to that question, he said (and I paraphrase here):
“I don’t care what you call it. Words can be our masters, unless we make them our servants.”
Point is I would like to see a completely different world, one where it is considered morally wrong for 5 million children to die of starvation each year (globally) before they reach 5 yrs. old while Bankers make millions and have gold platted toilet bowls in their office.
I would like to see a world where US foreign policy did not enrich a few while raining poverty and misery on many. AS I say in the movie: how many orphans going to bed with clenched fists tonight in Afghanistan or Iraq will grow up willing to fly a plane into a building? And how many trillions are we prepared to spend on avenging that future blowback?”
But more than any specific change, I would like to see a world where people are not so complacent. Where people refuse to acquiesce. Where people stand together, and fight for each other. I have not seen anything come close to doing that but the Occupy movement
Yes. I’ll be there as well.
Well, it is frightening, but it should prove to us that we have POWER. They are scared!!!
Next week’s Movie Night – Filmmaker Anthony Pedone, Camp Casserole
Dennis Trainor’s film / website - American Autumn
Thanks so much for talking with us tonight, Dennis! It’s a great movie that I know I’ll be sharing again and again, and I hope you’ll stay in touch with FDL with all you do.
Thanks all.
Thanks Kit, wil do!
They are scared!!!
Therein lies the rub, look at the draconian local laws/actions enacted recently in both Tampa and Charlotte, muchless, the new federally enhanced ‘Free Speech’ zone laws…! They’re not f*cking around…! 8-(
I’d also like to remind people that the #Occupy movement is still a baby. Even if you have never been to a meeting, a march or an action, the future of #Occupy is yours to write, so get off your couch and into the streets.
Peace.
Dennis
P.S. I will check back periodically to answer any additional questions that might come up. Thanks everyone.
Mahalo Nui Loa, Dennis…! Keep up the awesome work…! *g*
Mahalo, Kit and Bev too…! *g*
Looks that that link does not work, Bev. Here is a working link:
http://www.Occudoc.org
I’m late but wanna say thanks to Dennis, Kit and everyone!