Morning all and thanks again SD for some excellent links. Was unable to join the book salon yesterday but a brief look last night indicated a spirited and lively discussion.

Morning Dragon.

“Nationalism vs. Capitalism: Guess Which One Wins?“

I’ll take nether, have you others ?

Thanks, SD. On Up! yesterday Iowa farmer Bryn Bird said that farmers’ sales of projected crops on the commodities market has cushioned their losses, but directs their growing effort to high money producers like corn rather than those viable crops (like hemp) and the buyers generally pass losses on to the consumer. Another reason our groceries are soaring in price, then, is that hedge against losses/inflation.

how about “socialism?”

Good Morning Every Pup
Oh, that Bill Moyers. He nails it again. Thank you for that video, SD.
A cruel hoax.

Good morning all and thanks for the post and host SoDrag.

Also, Dragonman, although I missed the Book Salon yesterday I read the thread this morning. Congrats on a great guest and what looks to have been a wonderful, informative and spirited discussion. Bravo for super-host duties.

Mornin’, pups

Bryn Bird on UP said her brother (I think) has already plowed under his first two corn plantings. They showed a photo of her three little nieces posed by rows of corn that should be a foot taller than they are.

We are getting good sweet corn at the Farmer’s Market, surprisingly.

And it is RAINING!! No bike ride, but I’ll take the rain!!

Thanks. That was fun. Made for a long day but fun.

I was very impressed with Ms. Bird. The entire show was great. I liked Amy Goodman’s righteous little rant about Climate Change and Weather Fluctuates. (Is that the new term I keep hearing?).
I would recommend that anyone who missed watching the show to watch a replay.

Interesting, seems that report affected both of us. Of course, seeing withering crops makes us hurt in many ways.

If I were a farmer, I’d get what I could in NOW. The crop is ruined for this season anyway Those shriveled kernels of corn aren’t going to plump out with a little rain. They MAY be able to get a winter wheat crop in.

And the farm bill is cutting a trillion out of the Food Stamp program over the next 10 years.
My state has already started kicking the elderly and disabled off the program.
The writing’s on the wall…….first they come for those who can’t work.
I DO suppose everyone her knows that Walmart’s low wages are subsidized by them giving their workers AFCIC, foodstamps and Liheap applications. So. we are all paying Walmart to hire as cheaply as possible.

Winter is coming, folks

Both of his shows this weekend were excellent as usual. I thoroughly enjoyed Dave Cullen talking about how, as at Columbine, it is too soon to know the motivation of the Colorado shooter.

I don’t have cable so I always watch UP online. Going to watch Moyers online this morning since my planned early morning bike ride is being rained out (yay for the rain).

Here in central Texas the baked and withered corn is being chopped down. Again. I have yet to have my now annual talk with any of the farmers to hear how they are going to survive yet another year of total loss.

And I heartily recommend Bill McKibben’s Rolling Stone article about climate change. It gets a bit dense toward the end, but well worth reading.

Global Warming’s Terrifying New Math

Ms. Bird said yesterday that at least in her case (her farm grows produce, not commodities) they can’t insure against loss like the commodities growers can.

I agree, and after what he said about how the media jumps to conclusions, and asks leading questions of witnesses or friends, I was listening to the news that I watched with a keener ear.

Planting corn for cattle feed is behind a lot of those crops, and means that beef will go sky high. But the loss is the consumers’ for a large part, as crop insurance, and hedging, is involved in paying for those plantings.

Good sweet corn here as well. Not seeing any plow under, I think my area is doing a little better than the worst hit areas. We had on and off rain for the last three days, but the dirt in the cornfield behind me was dust again by Sunday.

Boxturtle (Some of the cattle folks are shrinking their herds because of feed prices)

If you haven’t, do read Columbine. Pretty much everything we thought we knew about the motivation of Harris & Kliebold was wrong, wrong, wrong. I’m already reading and hearing some of the same things about Holmes.

Morning msmolly and Pups,

I think some market sweet corn is irrigated, I was just out judiciously watering my leafy greens and string beans and such. Mulched good with clean straw, soil temps remain constant and minimal evaporation through watering losses. 97 today, 85 tomorrow and then a week of 80 for a high. Beach today, possibly.

Regarding the age 13 to 17 murders and Branstad’s trick. . . .

All justified heat, but without light. What’s missing is debate on what the max sentence should actually be, and whether the court is likely to define such. Is everyone afraid to stake a claim here?

Beef is going to get REALLY cheap for the next few months as farmers shrink their herds. Fill your freezer, ’cause when that’s done the price is going through the roof.

Boxturtle (Re-arranging freezer now, going to buy a side of beef this weekend)

You are correct that almost all of the corn around here is feed corn. If there is any good news around here it would be that the cotton appears to have benefitted from a fairly wet July and be OK. It does, however look to as though there is less cotton planted than in most recent years.

This year’s total corn crop is okay, it’s in the drought areas that it’s ugly. Incidentally, growing crops that require a high level of irrigation in areas that depend on aquifers is a strain on resources that is a threat to many of us who are not farming in any but the most personal way.
Cattle shrinking is cruel and unusual… okay, it was an image that made me wince.

Indiana is supposed to be in a severe drought (and we are) but we’re still getting sweet corn. My friend buys green beans at the Farmer’s Market and she says those are more scarce this year.

According to Ms. Bird on UP, it isn’t only the lack of rain, but it also is the extreme heat that’s causing the problems with crops. Corn and soybeans and other crops aren’t meant to grow well in 100º-plus temperatures day after day.

In TX area, the herds were shrunk down last growing season. Hope you do find a good price, in your area, anyway.

Good morning everyone.

Thank you for the post SouthernDragon.

I’m eating very little red meat, so I think I will pass, although I’m not eating NONE so perhaps I should put away a few cuts of beef. I get great fish and poultry at the Farmer’s Market, along with brown eggs and milk from grass-fed cows. I’m looking for good recipes for beans, too.

Wince? I’m imagining little tiny cows. Actually, we could just start eating little tiny hambergers. Really, who actually needs a 1 lb. burger?

I think Fox is still trying to overcome their disappointment that the shooter isn’t moslem. Or Arab. Or an illegal alien. Instead of attacking, now they’ll have to defend gun ownership again.

Boxturtle (Fox may have to go hire their own terrorists to fit their preconceptions)

Some of those Juvie crooks should never get out. But if the judge is required to throw them away, how do you tell the difference?

I’m going to assume that the Gov was not on any of the juries for the Juvies in question and I’m also going to assume that he wasn’t the judge. Given that, he must have studied really hard the case files to be informed enough to make that decision.

Boxturtle (Politically, I think the Gov did what will get him the most votes)

Good morning SD. Sounds like you had a great Salon yesterday Sorry I missed it. We were at a violin recital by a young Russian prodigy. Where do they grow them?

Comment thread is interesting on the Bill Moyers video essay linked up top. Lots of gun nuts yammering about liberals and protecting themselves against the government (along with some very rational and reasonable comments).

Prices been dropping. Betting that the bottom or close to it will be coming up this month.

Boxturtle (Also, buying this way enables us to avoid Black Angus)

Go read the Salon, Knut. I think you’ll enjoy it even after the fact. One of the best I’ve seen.

What’s wrong with Black Angus beef?

Careful, you’ll be suspect of depriving burger builders, or something. Mini cows are cute, it’s true, but the shrinking as a concept does make me queasy.

White Castle!!! Sliders for everyone!

Boxturtle (Don’t need a 1lb, but a 1/4lb with lettuce and onion is just fine)

protecting themselves against the government

You don’t use guns to do that. The government will always win if you do. If you want protection against the government, lawyers and money work MUCH better.

Boxturtle (The best lawyers don’t work for the government)

I can see the attraction of a young prodigy. Was hoping you’d be there. Missed seeing econobuzz, too.

Seeing us libruls as bleeding hearts that ought to look the other way was already thrown out in the attaturk thread, here on home base. While it’s interesting to read some of the other side’s views, on gun control they’re pretty irrational as it’s about keeping deadly weapons away from nutcases.

I went through my bean phase a few years ago (after Lehman, thinking about the upcoming recession), and found several recipe books on Amazon. The title that sticks in my mind because it is easy to remember is The Bean Bible but the others were just as good. Amazing how many types of beans there are. We pretty much stick to fava beans in the spring and early summer and the Great Northerns later on. I couldn’t believe how good the Greats were cooked fresh. There are a lot of good recipes from the Mediterranean cuisines. As to meat, we’re down to about 5 ounces per serving (except spare-ribs, which are addictive).

I was on my way just after participating here.

I wish I could say that something will be done about high capacity clips and assault rifles but this is an election year and listening to some of the congresscritters yesterday, there is nothing, absolutely nothing that will be done to change the laws imho.
Listening to Sen. Ron Johnson (teaWisc) I was just stunned by his lack of intelligence and to think he beat Russ Feingold is just mindboggling.
The idiots that said it would have been different if there were a lot of gun carrying souls in that theater are just nuts.

If I had my druthers I’d like a meat loaf sammich with lettuce onions and some spicy mustard.

(Little tiny “moo”.)
I’m heading out early this morning. Stuff, ya know?
So, see you all around the Lake.

The individual responsible for this massacre is a product of the American Capitalistic system. What clearer example does America need to understand the relationship between the little black box and behavior? I wonder if the corporate propaganda outlets have a better understanding of the term “brown-shirting,” today a we grapple with the harsh realities inflicted on innocent citizens by whack jobs, uniformed or not?

Yeah, the slaughter would have been twice as bad. Idiot assholes.

Actually I think we’re gonna find that Holmes has more than one screw loose.

To my wife, Black Angus tastes like liver. According to my local butcher, that’s not uncommon and about 5-10% of his customers specifically ask for non-angus. His business is up since the local Krogers started going mostly angus.

Tastes like perfectly good steak to me, but if you don’t feed your spouse properly home life can get a little tense.

Boxturtle (imagine expecting a perfect steak and receiving a slab of liver)

That a moran beat Feingold is sadly indicative of the level of intelligence of voters, seems to me. Remember the attempted appointment of a supreme because some one needed to represent mediocre people?

‘Meat’ loaf made with beans can be tastier than the real meat sort.

Yep. And, you don’t need a weathergirl to know which way the wind blows. Even if she is wearing a bikini.

Can you summarize briefly?

Got a recipe?

I love spareribs, too. And I love lamb just about better than anything.

“Aunt” Toby Wollin posted a link yesterday on Facebook to her blog, where she has a recipe for chocolate cake made with black beans. It calls for stevia, which I don’t have, and I don’t have a big sweet tooth anyway, but it might be fun to try.

Beans in Black and White

I agree. But what turned the screw(s) loose? I would say it is not normal to beat up older folks, unprovoked because of the religion they practice? What turned them collective screws loose? Both actions require a misaligned rewire and eventual short circuit….

Whenever I hear that macho crap from someone, I always think about them never having to carry a rifle, never having to face someone in war, and when it was their time to serve, they always had “other priorities” like Dick Cheney, but they will be the first to send our children into harms way and not give a damn about the losses as long as it is not their children or grandchildren.

If you shrink the moo, probably it hurts less. Have a good day.

They were NOT part of the “Trench Coat Mafia” and their shooting spree was not because they were bullied. One was a psychopath and the other was clinically depressed (not sure I can remember which was which now).

This review is pretty decent. But the book is worth every penny of its price.

The End of the Trench Coat Mafia

Oh, it would have been different. But different in a bad way. Most gun nuts could spend a little more time at the range and the idea of everybody returning fire in a dark, smoke filled theater should frighten even Ted Nugent.

I sometimes think that clip size is a red herring. I have 7-9 shot clips (depending on the gun), but I can reload with a spare clip without hurrying in seconds. With practice, even a revolver can be reloaded quickly with a speed loader.

Boxturtle (I’d ban any accessories not needed for hunting or home protection)

Who knows. He’s not cooperating with the authorities. Bound to be a psych eval at some point in the near future. We’ll just have to wait and see.

Morning SD & Pupses:

Hedges is up.

Actually, I often use meat substitute and work from that, but this looks right, doesn’t substitute flour;
http://chefinyou.com/2009/12/vegetarian-meatloaf-recipe/

Thanks

Imho, Russ Feingold was one of the best Senator’s in a long time.
You are right about the low intelligence voter.
It is not an excuse, or to be excused, but with most voters working two and three jobs just to survive, I imagine they do not pay much attention to what is going on when they really should be tuned in to who will be the best candidate for them on the local, state, and national level.

Magazines. M-1s had clips, M-16 et al and semi-auto handguns have box magazines. Drives me nutz. Had to come from that hard ass Marine shooting instructor.

demi are you wearing a bikini this morning?

Great piece.

This is true. One of the reasons for insuring freedom of the press in founding this country seems to have been a faith in those who practiced the art of reporting to report the facts they could unearth. Sad to say, we have too many of the sort who can be bought off – or want the platform free, without the achievement or what is called ‘paying dues’.

SD. I just started reading the Salon. It’s fabulous. I forgot it was Rick Wolff. He and I were recruited into the same programme in Economic History at Yale back in 1964. He was heading for Stanford to study under Paul Baran, but Baran died so he came to Yale instead. He was one of the top two or three economists in my class and won the teaching award (hardly surprising!). Turned out we had a lot of acquaintances in common from YPSL. It was an amazing generation. He organized the first anti-Vietnam War meetings at Yale. I remember Robert Dahl was there with some hack from the White House. Wolff is a born leader, among other things.

Good morning, folks.

Thanks for an excellent book salon yesterday, SD. Hope that Professor Wolff follows up on his offer to continue the conversation.

Ha. I say the same thing to people :) Clips are one-time use. M1s had stripper-clips. Magazines are reusable.

Good morning SD and other firedogs.

In local news, our organization working for a Tax Ratification Election to close the school budget gap won the official endorsement of the local Chamber of Commerce last week, and will receive the same support from the Austin Chamber this week. The local business community is behind a tax increase. In the middle of Texas. The times, they are a’changin’.

That’s an easy conclusion to make, but maybe just comfort food. It begs the question of similar acts elsewhere.

Such come to mind in recent years. . . The sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway; the mass hostage taking in a Russian theater put down with fentonil; the mass murder in Norway a year ago. There must be plenty of others as well, and they don’t rely on a capitalist system, per se.

There’s more going on here, I think.

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

US KIA Afghanistan: 2,052

Afghan, Iraki, Yemeni and Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 2M

US MBS 2012: 25,296 and counting

No war but class war

Spill the Wine

Be good to yourselves, and all other living thing

Namaste

Never. Give. Up.

The liverish taste is due to the animal being grass fed, and in some circles (me especially) highly prized. It’s what happens when the meat is cold-aged for 28 days. Our local butcher has one of those coolers and the meat is fabulous if you like the taste (also fabulously expensive, at close to $50 per kilogram). Game has the same taste –bison, deer, hung duck and pheasant. Maybe it’s an acquired taste. I dunno.

Okay, I got to ask. I’ve always understood a magazine to be a place where ammo was stored and a clip was what went into the gun.

I don’t wanna tick off the USMC in general and any of their drill sgts in particular. What’s the offical difference?

Boxturtle (This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for work, this is for fun…)

Try the liver with fava beans.

Ah, so. Thanks. Makes me wonder if grass fed “regular” beef would also taste liverish to her. Or if corn fed black angus would taste like “regular”.

I’ll bet my local butcher would have what I need to test.

Boxturtle (Do I tell the wife that one of those sirloin tips MIGHT taste like liver?)

Here’s a comment by Wolff from yesterday’s Salon that is too good and too right to be left there like an orphan. He is spot on here.

One way to start is by focusing people’s attention on the fact that we have had a taboo on seriously questioning or debating capitalism for over half a century. We debate our education, transportation, medical etc systems, but when it comes to our economic system, Republicans and Democrats have spent 50 years being cheerleaders. Criticism was considered based on ignorance or disloyalty and thereby silenced. Like anything else that evades criticism, its flaws and failures pass unnoted; it rots behind the taboo on open debate. We are now living the results of an uncriticized system. And thats why we need to catch up and begin a serious debate by hearing the critics alongside the cheerleaders.

I have yet to find a form of liver that I like. You just can’t add enough onions to cover up that liver taste.

Boxturtle (Granted, it’s been 20+ years since I knowingly prepared any sort of liver)

The press you are extolling with a commitment to facts was the product of a brief period of reform in the 20th century, a backlash to Hearst’s excesses among other things.

The press at the time of the creation of the Bill of Rights was very much like the political blogospheres today–full or opinion, accusations, and vitriol. In trying to ensure that their political viewpoints continued to be heard, the delegates to the Constitutional convention (who were on the opposite sides of many issues and loyalties even then) enshrined freedom of the press as a guarantee of a voice when they became a minority opinion.

The institutions of political speech in that era were the public square, a free press and a confidential postal service. The First Amendment protected the first two of those. Sadly we no longer have truly public squares but we do have a free press in the blogosphere — if we can keep it out of the clutches of the media companies on the one hand and the national security state on the other.

Just finished the article.

Basically, it may be too late to save ourselves from completely devastating the planet, but if we want to have a prayer of even doing that, here is the analogy he presents:

See the six pack of beer? You can drink that and things are going to be bad, probably really bad, but you may survive.

The fossil fuel industry has 3 12-packs of beer there that represent their known reserves of gas, oil and coal. They are already open, and waiting on the table.

As Kris said, clips are disposable, not reloaded or reused. Box magazines are designed to be reloaded and reused. People commonly use the two terms interchangeably but it’s not technically correct. When you’ve fired off 8 rounds from an M-1 you hear a metallic “bling”, that’s the clip being ejected from the weapon. Battlefields in WWII were littered with those empty little spring clips.

I have discovered that grass fed beef isn’t for me. Apparently you have to cook it at lower heat and more slowly or it isn’t tender, and I like my beef very rare (i.e., walk it through a warm room).

Thanks, and yes, I’ve seen some examples of the Adams/Jefferson feud and how the press characterized the two statesmen as lowest life forms. At the time of the country’s founding, though, the business community was not so developed as to have instituted actually enlisting its own minions and put them forward as worth readers’ attention. Also, readers were for the most part educated and proud of their own good judgment. imho.
I do think that freedom of all press was healthy and remains so, and eventually enough of us will reward factual material being the order of the day, enough to make it work out well and profitably.

When I eat out I tell servers ‘shave it and walk it past the stove’. I always get very strange looks 0_o

That’s pretty much a staple of any talk he gives.

I dislike chicken liver, but I do like beef liver. When I lived in Cincinnati, some of us used to go to a nearby Big Boy for lunch, and they had liver & onions on their menu. I used to get it because it was the only time I ever got to eat it. I tried to prepare it myself once, but it didn’t turn out that well.

Ah, so. I have now learned something today, so I can go fishing. Thanks!

Boxturtle (I own no spare clips…shouldn’t I feel paranoid?)

Most people who don’t like liver don’t like it because it wasn’t cooked properly. Most people cook the livin’ shit out it and turn it to shoe leather with a nasty taste. I don’t eat it any more but loved it when I was a beef eater.

UPDATE

NCAA Penalties for Penn State

- $60M sanction against university
- 4-year football postseason ban
- Vacate all wins from 1998 – 2011
- Future sanctions and penalties may be forthcoming pending the outcome of ongoing investigations.

Hi, and I saw your question from last night this a.m. – and I am on the farm in NW PA, not in yesterday’s 105 – 108F heat where I usually am found.

And a good Chianti!

I heard yesterday that Penn State took Paterno’s statue down “so the university could heal.” I’m not sure I agree with that.

You and my stepson. I tell his steaks scary stories about fire when I put them on his plate.

Boxturtle (I’ve seen cows hurt worse than that recover)

I think we’ll differ on that one. I think the statue should’ve come down months ago. I’m glad the University did it. If they hadn’t, some guerrilla activists were going to.

Your comment brought back good memories.
I am old enough to remember Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather in his heyday, and Douglas Edwards who really reported the news in an informative way.
Today, newcasters are entertainers, only report what their masters tell them to report, and when “You People” was used last week by Ann Romney, ABC twisted themselves into knots trying to minimize the damage of that statement.

The local $25/plate steakhouse (the Pine Club, highly recommended) has liver and onions on their menu. At over $20. People buy it.

Boxturtle (WHY would somebody go to a top rank steakhouse and get liver unless being punished?)

My lever action Marlin .444 doesn’t have a clip or a magazine. Side loader.

Holy shit. Talk about a million ton shit hammer.

Interesting that eating grass, the cow’s natural food, produces what we find to be an objectionable taste. Maybe it’s nature’s way of telling us not to eat that beef :)

The corn-fed beef tastes better, but eating it is more likely to make us fall victim to the newly acid resistant strains of e-coli. The digestive system in cows has had to produce more acid that it normally would, in order to digest corn, not a food that cattle would normally eat.

The e-coli has adapted to survive in that more acidic environment. That acid resistant strain in turn finds it easier to survive in human digestive systems than did the ones from the grass fed animals.

Be interesting if Penn St. tries to challenge that legally. No death penalty, though, so they might accept it.

Boxturtle (Sees very little point to varsity sports in education)

Well, I’m not sure why I react negatively to taking his statue down, but I do. More a gut instinct I guess. I dislike football (I worked at Notre Dame for 7 years and was eligible for discounted tickets and never have attended a game). But Paterno had a long and illustrious career quite apart from this incident, serious as it was. What I want to see is Spanier, Curley and Schultz frog marched into jail for a LONG time. Along with Paterno if he were still living.

Yes. The football program is dead, for at least a decade.

BTW, all players can transfer out and play immediately.

NCAA President Mark Emmert says “Penn State’s ‘Football First’ culture needs to change”.

PSU signed consent decree.

Oh, good. Say hi to spuds, and how are the kittens?

Today, though, we have a comeback of actual news as a reaction to the overload of entertainers, a.k.a. stenographers, and it’s turning a profit, too. see; Up!, and Current t.v. (where Jennifer Granholm gave the only news about gun regulation I saw on Saturday)

I’m with the university. That statue is full of uncomfortable memories now and it would have been a regular protest site until it came down. I wonder where they’ll move it to?

Boxturtle (I’d offer it to the family or melt it down)

Can’t have a statue of someone frog marched into jail. LOLOL

While I agree with you, and think there is great value in Paterno’s career in building and shaping young men and young minds, I see it from the perspective of all of Sandusky’s victims. Paterno ran interference so the abuse could continue. To glorify him in bronze just seems wrong.

Another note – vacated wins from 1998-2011 will still be included on Paterno’s official career record.

It really isn’t the TASTE, I just found it tough and chewy. I chatted with the Amish gentleman who sells it at the Farmer’s Market, and he agreed that if I like it rare I probably won’t be happy with grass-fed beef.

How’re they gonna finance the university without football?

I think Penn State is going to meekly take whatever sanctions NCAA lays on ‘em.

Did so, he’s just waking up, and the kittens went to a good home except the grey/white, and he’s taken up with the ones here, seems very contented. And a bit chubby.

You’ll see it, except for Joe Pa. A friend of mine said that God had forgiven Joe Pa because he allowed Joe to pass on before his part in things hit the papers.

Boxturtle (I’d say about 10 years each)

Yes, I agree. I just had a gut-level negative reaction. Maybe I think it’s a gesture for show and not meaningful. Dunno.

I like it really rare, too, but charred around the edges. This is making me hungry.

Great question. I don’t have an answer. Between the fine, the lost Bowl revenue, and the attendance numbers that are sure to contract, we might be watching the death of Penn State.

They really want this to go away. A court fight would have been nothing but brutal publicity.

Boxturtle (What reason is there to attend Penn St. now? Academics?!?)

Kris,
I wondered about scholarship offerings being limited, but with the post-season ban, that issue is taken care of. Prospects will not go to PSU for the next couple of years anyway because of the ban.
Also, looks like Bobby Bowdin will get his way regarding being top dog in the win dept. Truthfully, I thought he should have kept his mouth shut and not butt into the conversation about Penn State.

A lack of basic comfort and food. Yes! Constant fear and a brutal lack of empathy or compassion for the circumstances of others? That’s what is going on around the world. Might be time for another alien intervention.

I’m now thinking chicken fried steak, eggs, and hashbrowns for breakfast. I’ve got some cube steaks in the fridge…

I am actually working my way through the Freeh report, all 267 pages. Reading the excerpts from the emails those guys exchanged is truly horrifying. And Spanier didn’t even report to the Trustees about it.

10 years isn’t enough!

Liver should be dredged in flour, seared, then allowed to cook slowly at a low heat with sweet onions in abundance. I love it. Adult cow liver.

There’s the question, eh? I wonder if the boosters will be as generous if their box seats are sitting empty for the next decade or so.

Boxturtle (The money sure won’t come from the state)

Yummmm. Steak and eggs and home fries. Yummm.

I think Bobby Bowdin’s selfish and self-centered blather on the topic was deplorable. I expected that the man would have more integrity and decorum. I was mistaken.

And yes, without potential for bowl appearances, especially with the new format, PSU will not be able to compete for top prospects. The NCAA is hamstringing the football program.

I have no problem with that.

I make a pretty decent buttermilk biscuit and have some homemade applebutter in the freezer. Butter, too…..

I meant the question ironically, but no one seems to find it a bit odd that you have to use something entirely unrelated to what is supposed to be the core function of the institution to keep the institution alive.

Could we add a few onions to the fries?

Oh lord, I just salivated like a spitting cobra.

Ha! see my @124.

Suspected you were making a jibe at the culture, but since all of the institutions of higher learning are now into the loan business, education is a side effect at our present time.

It would seem you’re correct. I figured Penn St would take anything short of the death penality wihtout much fight. But the difference between this and the death penality matters only to lawyers, as others have pointed out this could be the death of the entire university. The state would look at this as a chance to remove yet another budget item.

Boxturtle (Not sure how much money the state provides to Penn, but it’s likely a decent tax cut)

Well, we probably wouldn’t have television if companies didn’t need to sell useless stuff.

Hmmmmm….

on edit, didn’t mean to imply education was useless stuff, lol!

Where on earth did you get the idea that football isn’t a “core function”?

Boxturtle (And is the above a snark or not?)

Kris,
When I posted about the taking away of wins and Bobby Bowdin being happy now that he is top dog in the win dept. I did not know that they allowed Joe Paterno to keep his wins. Thanks for the heads up.

Members in good standing of the Mafia of the Intelligentsia.

Went to a good-by party for VP Development at SUNY-NP on Thursday. About 30-40 attendees. One couple was elderly, but decked out in the most wonderful way. He, in particular: Yellow jacket, white shirt & knee socks, bright red bow tie, burmuda shorts. They knew some people but ended up sitting alone for awhile. I went over to chat with them. He’d taught secondary ed for over 30 years and she’d taught elementary ed for 45 years. They loved the institution.

No one like that any more.

I always put onions in my home fries. And sage!

I find it atrocious that the University relies on football money, and seems to exist solely to produce a viable TV product through the football program.

I thought my education was pretty useless.

It’s all about learning to fall into line behind the PTB, not about development of your own reasoning skills.

Well I’m confused. ESPN is showing a graphic now with Paterno 111 wins shorter, at 5th now on the all time list with 298. Bowdin at the top.

I’m not exactly sure what “chicken fried” steak is, but if it’s fixed like fried chicken I’m not sure I’d like it.

Just saw this:
Paterno Wins Vacated

Good Morning. Coming in late here, but would like to add my 2. I turned on the news this morning and the shooting is still on. Now, it’s not like we are involved in wars, or our economy is collapsing, nor that our most basic human traits are disappearing.

We have not been educated in ways to handle these episodes. It would make even the sane look for ways to express themselves. Hmmm. Wonder why nobody is talking about this on the Nooze?

Heavily coated with flour batter, and there is also ‘chicken fried chicken’ made that way.

Following that to an extreme, see Shoto’s link @64.

I like fried chicken, although I rarely eat it that way, and usually pick off the skin and breading if it’s served on a buffet table or something. But floured and battered steak? UGH.

Kris,
Don’t worry about the confusion, it will all shake out as the day progresses.
I really appreciate your heads up on the penalties. I was going to wait until leaving the Diner to check and see what happened. Thanks to you, I now know.

We have a dumpy little service station in a rough part of town that serves the best fried chicken (and livers and gizzards). When I worked at the University we’d sometimes go and get take out.

We called it Kentucky Fried Texaco.

Sure enough – ESPN now reporting that vacated wins in fact WILL reflect on Paterno’s record. He now has 298 all time, 5th on the list. Bowdin is at the top with 377.

On edit – msmolly beat me to it :) I owe you a drink, and not a chicken-fried one!

I do mine in a very non-traditional way, because I don’t like the heavy coating of crusty batter. I soak the steaks in 2% milk for a bit, then salt and pepper them, then dredge them lightly in flour and do a very shallow pan fry in vegetable oil. Not the traditional Texas way, but much more suitable to my pallet.

It’s become pretty obvious to a lot of people by now, esp as it is now so blatant. It used to be more subtle.

Not only that, but the PTB make you become so indebted they have all that power over you too.

When it’s tenderized and covered in a really thick gravy and served in quantity, it’s evil. But sometimes, I will go ahead and have one and kind of like the stuff.

Only because I had never heard of Bowden and had to Google. Told you I don’t like football! LOL.

I had heard of Paterno, but before this all broke I’d never have been able to tell you where he coached.

Here there’s a place like that that really does battered mushrooms. Yum. I think in PA nothing wants to be called Kentucky, tho I have heard Pennsyltucky a few times. In a derogatory way.

covered in a really thick gravy

EWWW.

Steak needs to be broiled or cooked on my Weber charcoal grill. Smothered in mushrooms, maybe.

My daughter lives in Noblesville, Indiana, and although they like it and the schools are great, she sometimes calls it “Nobletucky.”

Sounds like a nice way to cook it. (Am considering asking if you’d like to do a Sunday Food post, hmmmm.)

Exactly. which sometimes isn’t all bad.

That did it. I’ve got to go and find something really good for breakfast.

You pupses have a great Monday, see you later.

on edit, just realized I hadn’t said good morning to everyone or thanked SD. Hi and thanks!

CSpan is discussing the Non-Government US Drone program. Hmmm. Ain’t that great? Farmed out drones to watchoverya. Who is responsible? Is it allowed to have non-governmental folks spying on us?

Wow! That means us non-governmentals have the right to spy on our politicians right?

I’m the cook in my house. Got it from oldnslow. I love cooking, and would be happy to do a Sunday Food post. I think the toughest part for me would be picking a recipe I’d want to share!

I don’t cover mine in gravy, either. The traditional style is sausage country gravy, really thick and peppery with heavy cream. I prefer to do mine with a light fry (like I mentioned above) and then top with a couple of eggs over easy. The broken yolks provide moisture and add far more flavor and way less fat than the gravy.

And here it’s seconds on the zucchini bread with some fresh melon. Thanks for good company, and me too cutting out.

I’m out too. An early morning t-storm washed out my bike ride plans (I’m not complaining about RAIN!!) and now there’s not time before AC service people are supposed to arrive, and after they leave it probably will be too hot to ride.

Have a great day everyone. Stay cool!

That one!! If you would, just put in a diary, begin the title with “Sunday Food:” and here’s one of mine just to show you how easy it is to do;
http://my.firedoglake.com/ruthcalvo/2012/07/22/food-sunday-lemon-drop-cookies/

Choose ‘New Post’ up at the top and I think you can do that at MyFDL but if you don’t see it at once, go to ‘My Diary’.

Now really, got to go have the good food.

I think the thread through all of this is anonymous brutality as gratification. That is, it doesn’t cost the perpetrator anything (unless caught and stopped). Holmes was well disguised, his person hidden, and he chose victims he didn’t know.

I don’t think ideology has anything to do with it, except perhaps as a vehicle for a root problem. Take away the vehicle and some other will simply replace it regardless.

A perpetrator who knows the victims (or is known by them) has much more of a dilemma, and I don’t mean merely the likelihood of getting caught.

This is a Food Sunday diary I did a couple years ago on Chicken Fried steak and fried pork chops

Ahhh, all you damn yankees. LOL

Biscuits n’ gravy, chicken fried steak, eggs, hash browns, grits, coffee and toast.

Hmm. More real estate bubbles and commodity price fixing coming. Standard of Living Index only rose 1.7% if you believe their lies.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-23/treasury-10-year-yield-touches-record.html

Reading and eating. Did you read the tax avoiders article up top?

*spit*

And a side of pancakes. And a glass of milk, please.

(sobs quietly)

Evil, in the best way.

Thanks and now I have to have seconds on those seconds.

EW. Grits. EW.

There is a little cafe on St Simons that makes buttermilk cheese grits. I think you might like them. Yum.

LOL! Not yet. I’m declaring my home and daily living a business entity as I discussed last nite in the Book Salon. If Corporations are people my friend, and they can get tax refunds without paying any, then I’m an all men are equal partner.

(Chuckles)

I saw that.

You’ve gone over to the dark side :)

As a matter of fact, I say to hell with Individual Tax returns. We all can now file Corporate returns.

I know no better way to force a fix of the problem. Seriously.

This has got to come to a head. Soon.

When should I do it? Email me if you want me to put together a post for this Sunday.

notorious2again AT gmail DOT com

I’ll say this and then I’ve got to go do my job.

The government is allowing investors with large amounts and access to money to force homebuyers and small farmers out of their homes. Our entire real estate will be owned corporately soon in the US. If we don’t push back, there will be nothing left for us other than rentals that will have rents that increase so drastically nobody can afford to live in them. Thus another bubble to burst and leave us all holding the bag and living in it.

How do I know this? I help to get those land and property deals recorded every day. It is the only business going on in large swathes of state commerce. I am being serious here and not snarky.

I ain’t talkin’ about that white glop ya get in restaurants or out of a box. Freshly ground yellow grits. Takes an hour to make on the stove. Wonderful.

Huh. Interesting basic recipe. I’ve never tried cooking with TVP but I’ve seen enough recipes that it’s on my radar to try. Thanks.

LOL!

Old family joke.

“Don’t say ‘huh’, and don’t call me ‘Momma’.”

Audry and John will make sure that is on my headstone.

For all the good it did me…. lol, again!

Until recently, freedom of the press meant freedom of anyone who owned one or could hire a printer. Now anyone who can get to a library and log on a blog can air their opinion — and do.

In the early days, the newspapers were run by printers who did other printing work, including books. The business class was split between the merchants of the non-South and the planters of the South, and the newspapers often reflected that. And because it was such a small community of literate people (more small in the South than the towns in New England), personal antagonisms could often have political consequences that were reflected in the political orientation of a newspaper. The flip-flopping that occurred in the orientation of a newspaper would be akin to Rupert Murdoch suddenly plumping for Obama because of a falling out with Dick Cheney.

Andrew Burstein and Nancy Isenberg, Madison and Jefferson has some fascinating stories about how politicians used the press and how the press bedeviled politicians.

Maybe Professor Wolff would join us one morning for Marx in the Diner. We’ll need to find the perfect mug for him.

I liked this one, Never Do Anything You Wouldn’t Want To Explain To The Paramedics. Not sure it is him, though….

Helping Hand

Would be nice to have a confidential postal service extended to the internet, too.

My boys called me Mama for the first couple years, too.

I am finding the same thing. My husband (the designated BBQer) simply shows mine the grill. However, since I do like my beef rare, I feel safer with grass-fed. Free-range critters tend to be less germy than feed-lot stock, from what I have read.

Wouldn’t that be nice? I’m sure you’ll find the perfect cup for him if you just rummage around in the cabinet…

Nothing worse than a rare burger, IMO. Ewwww. Steak I can tolerate medium rare, but not a burger. It’s the texture.

Kris, your wife has posted diaries. I’m sure she can show you how. I don’t think a Food Sunday diary is any different, except for the title.

That’s why I don’t eat much ground beef. It tastes OK and the texture is OK, but I like a rare burger. Even if I fix it myself I don’t know what’s in the beef that comes from the supermarket. I could grind my own, but that’s too much work for something I’m not that fond of anyway. And most restaurants don’t want to serve rare hamburger. So about the only thing I use it for (very lean ground sirloin) is spaghetti sauce.

I do like a nice rare steak, however, and it’s much safer than hamburger.

Oh, EDIT to add: Ground beef makes a wonderful rich beefy broth for soup (recipe from Cook’s Illustrated).

Come help me dig around in here, it is a mess :)

Wow, lots of comments today.
If anyone comes back, MS MOLLY!!!

Looking for a good book on cooking beans? Crescent Dragonwagon has new cookbook, called “Bean by Bean.”

I love her recipes. Have two of her earlier cookbooks; “Dairy Hollow House Soup and Bread”, and “Passionate Vegetarian.”
Deborah Madison has a huge cookbook of vegetarian recipes, too, that should include plenty of bean recipes.

Re: the drought in the midwest; while driving to Houston I listened to the Tom Ashdown show, On Point for Tuesday. Turns out he grew up on a farm in central Illinois, so he was quoting his dad’s surveys of corn production, or not, in the area. Talked to farmers and Ag extension agents. Really sounded frightening. In that area, not a matter of shriveled kernels, but no kernels, no EARS, even. Too late to pollinate – a short window for that – so nothing to do but plow under.

They talked about the effects of monoculture, too…like corn and soyboeans, and not much else.

You know why vegetable farmers don’t get crop insurance or subsidies? Those are known as specialty crops! Can you imagine? I believe there’s been some effort to change that this year and for the last farm bill, but don’t know what happened this year. Commodities rule.

Oh lordy, I eat it raw, when I trust the meat. With cream cheese, on stoned wheat thins, with Garden Cocktail. Great summer meal!

How about this one?

Re the Penn State mess – I’ve enjoyed college football for lotsa years, bonded with my dad watching, among others, Penn State games (we lived in Pa for awhile and my mom’s a native, cousins & classmates went to PSU), but if this will reduce the football idolatry and ranking of the sports complex above the academic institution, I’m all for it.

I’m thinking: how can something be done to punish Univ of Missouri, which is so demonstrating their warped values, or those of the new president.
Shutting down the UofMissouri University Press ostensibly to save $400k, switching to a digital emphasis (even though the Press published hundreds of e-books) and nearly the entire staff will be grad students instead of the experienced professional staff there now.
Then, at same time, president has announced new football stadium at cost of, I forget, but millions.
So, clearly, millions for football, but nothing at all for publishing, a real educational mission. Disgusting.

Vile, I say. Vile. But I’d be a vegetarian if I didn’t live in a house full of Y chromosomes that require a steady supply of meat.

OMG! That’s the one! LOL! Edit: for HotFlash @202

Isn’t it perfect? My work here is done, gotta go get some actual work done yet today. Hope to see y’all tomorrow am.

What makes a crop a specialty crop, do you know?

OMG!!! You are going to be the new mug finder!! That is hysterical!

AFAIK, spe ialty is everything not a commodity. I believe all kinds of produce are called specialty crops. You might che k out Tom Philpott at Mother Jones. Might be where I learned that.

Thanks much!! I make bean soup in the winter with a meaty ham bone. and of course I eat beans now and again during the year. But I want to learn to make a few main dish bean recipes. A friend uses black beans. I figure I could make at least one satisfying bean meal a week, to go with the chicken and fish I usually cook.

Oh that is hilarious. One of us ought to buy it and send it to Prof. Wolff. Except he probably has one! Maybe SD should send him an email with a picture of it attached as a thank you note!

OH and it is available for Kindle so I could get it on my iPad! Yay!

You’re too funny. I can’t quite envision using a tablet cookbook…something about leafing through and letting serendipity land me on a good page…or referring to another recipe on a different page…

Anyway, I think CD’s cookbooks are great, especially if you actually like to cook and have the time. Right now I don’t have the time, but nothing of hers I’ve ever tried has failed.

Years ago I used to eat a fair number of main-dish bean recipes. My stomach doesn’t tolerate beans terribly well, so don’t do so often now, but there seem to be infinite ways to cook them.
Have fun, and report back!

I fantasize about getting a swiveling ipad holder with an folding extendable arm to mount in my kitchen just for reading recipes. I find a lot of recipes online and printing them is no longer efficient. The problem with a touch screen is using wet hands…

Proff Wolff says thanks for the Salon and is going to order the Karl Marx mug ASAP. He’s also up for an open chat.

Ysp…LOL. Wethands on the touchscreen : yep. Let alone doughy or buttery, greasy hands.

SD : LOL to you, too! Love that Prof Wolff likes the mug. Ain ‘t the interwebs grand?

Ohmigod. Sally Ride has died! She was only 61. Per NPR just now.

I’m so glad you let him know about the mug and the invitation.

HotFlash! You rule!

ohmmmm

Damn. Any details about what happened?

Pancreatic cancer….so sad.

Took my dad at 55.

Way too young, I’d say. Im very sorry. I always think of it being “fast” but I think I heard that she had had it longer than a year.
Were you still in DC?

Kewl. I hope he will drop by sometime.