It’s not a real crisis until it affects the rich. So far they haven’t realized that it does.

The American Tradition Institute?

Tradition said the world was flat.
Tradition said earth was center of solar system.
Tradition can be prejudice……
Tradition enabled Slavery………
Tradition enabled Segregation…..
Tradition enables unequal pay for woman….
Tradition means ignoring “fact” for fiction….

Fuck the American Tradition Institute and their tax exempt status while taking a position not much unlike the Tobacco Institute. So does smoking cause lung cancer and premature death? ATI, is nothing more than a front group for oil who like tobacco lied right through their fucking teeth to protect a business model which like Tobacco, destroyed the live’s of million of Americans and then society pays for the costs of their tradition, cash cows and profit, at life’s expense. I got some tradition for these corporate scum!

The ultra-conservative American Tradition Taliban Institute has expanded its legal pursuit of climate scientists, using transparency laws to try to flush out potentially damaging emails…

Fixed it.

“”The ultra-conservative American Tradition Taliban Institute has expanded its legal pursuit of climate scientists, attempting to perpetuate America’s “involuntary servitude” to Oil Corporations using transparency laws to flush out potentially damaging emails, while snuffing any potential competition, hence value, options, for the consumers while protecting monopolies in commerce, which have raped the republic.”"

Fixed even better………

Context informs epistemology. If your p-value is literally zero, you’re either being paid to be stupid, or just being a royal p.

typical wingnut shoot the messenger of any message they don’t like regardless of the merit of the message.

Yet more data confirming what was already known. If we had any brains as a species, we’d be doing something about it.

We’re running clean coal commercials. We’re running cheap natural gas commercials. The idea is to sell people on cheap energy, the coal commercials main point is that power generation from coal is cheaper than anything else and we don’t import coal from Moslems.

Telling people to drive less, ditch the SUV, turn up the A/C, turn down the heat, take quick showers, and pay more for energy just doesn’t come across as well as “CHEAP Energy here!!!!!!”

Boxturtle (Confession: I’m currently driving a gas guzzling Jeep)

@1: They’ve realized it will effect them. Why do you suppose they’re spending all this money denying warming even exists and harassing anyone who has data to support that it does?

Boxturtle (Cheaper to advertise than to fix, i suppose)

Good morning all,
First day off in a month of sundays.

This climate collapse will kill believers and deniers, their money won’t buy them out this time. To believe this will take years to end is another foolish human belief.

The bees the bats the coral are calling out to us.

Good morning, pups. It appears that the silly season has started early, and both MoDo and the Moustache of Wisdom are off. As alternatives I’ve chosen the NYT editorial “Mr. Romney’s Financial Black Hole,” in which the editors say that Mitt Romney’s lack of full disclosure of his finances keeps voters from seeing the breadth of his tax avoidance. Milos Forman got tired of hearing President Obama called a socialist, so he sends us “Obama the Socialist? Not Even Close” in which he says our democracy, a miraculous gathering of diverse players, needs participants to play fair. From your lips to God’s ear, Mr. Forman.

Here they are.

The coffee and tea are ready, the cold drinks are in the fridge, and I’ve got lemon poppy seed muffins this morning. Just like the columnists, I’ve got nothing this morning. Brain dead… Maybe more tea will help. Have a great day.

Fuck the American Tradition Institute and their tax exempt status while taking a position not much unlike the Tobacco Institute.

One important difference: one can avoid smoking (though avoiding second-hand smoke is rather more difficult); however, one cannot choose to avoid living on a roasting planet.

the breadth of his tax avoidance

I suspect his taxes are perfectly legal, or close enough to be honest mistakes. What he’s scared of is that voters will see how much can be done legally by a rich man and that there will be pressure to remove some of those loopholes.

Boxturtle (also, it will look ugly even if legal)

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“One important difference: one can avoid smoking (though avoiding second-hand smoke is rather more difficult); however, one cannot choose to avoid living on a roasting planet.”

Yes one can make the cognitive decision not smoke or not to drink, enjoy life and liberty free of addiction. However one cannot get to work without transportation, which requires potential energy. SO what do we have for choices in terms of potential energy to power the transport of all goods and services in America?

These folks are all about protecting monopolies just like the slave owners who had a monopoly on labor, where all about protecting slavery. The exploitation of humans for energy, denied “protection of law” under the color of law, for the benefit of a property owning class, based on color of skin? I wonder how many humans died while toiling/roasting in the fields all day, and paid nothing for their labor/energy, for the economic benefit of another? $147.50 per barrel oil? How quickly we forget!

“…however, one cannot choose to avoid living on a roasting planet.” They do not care. We are dealing with Corporate Fascist Faustian ideology here where the planet is here to be exploited like people, at life’s expense?

@14: SO what do we have for choices in terms of potential energy to power the transport of all goods and services in America?

First, we build up our electric infrastructure. Then we build near the WTI in Texas a couple large solar plants, say about 100sq mi each. Then we build in the Calif canyons wind power installations. While this is going on, we build a DC/AC syncronization/conversion plant near the WTI.

Scientific America went into details. IIR the estimated cost was around $100B, less than we’ve spent bailing out Wall St.

Boxturtle (We would be able to start taking coal offline about 10 years later)

Horner defended his use of transparency laws, arguing the scientists’ objections were themselves political. “Our motivations are surely whatever Greenpeace’s were when pioneering these requests,” he said in an email. “The truth is, they see no problem with using transparency laws this way. They only have problems with people they do not like using them as such.”

Horner comparing his group to Greenpeace? What irony. But in the words of Alexandra King: “So fucking what!”

I say give it all to them, let them find something, anything embarrassing. So fucking what. 10 years is all they have to bray and howl and screech, 3,650 days. Their god is not coming back to clean the air, put fish in the sea, and kill liberal vegetarians that belief will prove to be a delusion, so then what will they do? Our choices become fewer and fewer while we listen to this horse-shit the media is afraid to call what it is. The science is clear and few who aren’t suffering from short term memory dementia disagree. Remembering when one wore shorts in the summer and mittens in the winter, mom’s lemonade and the smell of hot soup, does not change the fact that the earth is warming and we can or could do something about our part for it.

We are led by fools.

Yes Yes Yes…..

Its called symbiotic energy production systems.

A term oil hates just as the term abolition/emancipation was hated by slave owners.

Liberate America and Americans from servitude to monopolies in commerce. It’s called competition and the last thing wanted by cash cow corporate oil is competition. Meanwhile the US Congress protects and enables America’s servitude to oil corps as it protected the institution of slavery! Deja Vu America! Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!

Ms. Grundy and the stinging rod of moderation must be sleeping in this morning.

It’s nice to see someone is energetic enough to be furious this morning. Since the heat wave last week, my git-up-and-go seems to have got up and left.

A good morning to all. Off to the mines and my climate change denier coworkers.

Superb comments on this thread.

Special appreciation to JamesJoyce and Box Turtle.

DW

$100 billion, is about the amount of economic value Americans will squander out our car’s tailpipes in one hundred days going back and forth to work. 100 hundred days of corporate’s fucking of Americans can liberate USA from the oil whores.

Instead congress protects leveraged economic servitude of Americans to the modern day rendition of slave owners. That what money buys in Congress Corporate fucking servitude!!!!!!

Fuck em all…….

Be “safe” in those mines……

This is why Tim LeHaye probably got paid big buck$$$ by someone or another to write his craptastic “opus” the Left Behind series.

Who gives a shit if Planet Earth goes to hell in a handbasket, when YOU are going to be raptured out of here to go to “heaven”???

That’s what Doug Coe’s “Family/Fellowship churches” preach. I’ve heard it with my own ears. Screw planet earth. The mess that’s “left behind,” once the “true believers” are whisked away, is what the dirty nasty non-believers *deserve.* Let ‘em roast!

In other words, a variation on ye olde “I got MINE, EFF you.”

The days of the vast majority of “Christians” viewing themselves as “stewards” of planet earth are long gone, indeed. The great BigCorp/War Inc propoganda wurlitzer has done it’s job, indeed.

Christianity got them to the top of the pile and it’s damn well going to keep them there.

F religion.