Whenever you listen to a Republican politician, be it, say, Eric Cantor, Joe Walsh, or Chris Christie, it’s natural to wonder how, in Heaven’s name, they manage to reproduce; could anyone, even their mothers, love them? The sneering insults, serial fabrications, loathsome arrogance, pig-headed stupidity, and utter lack of empathy or self-awareness would be stunning and repellent to behold individually, yet most of them are mountainous, steaming piles of all these traits, put together. In fact, those who fail to embody every possible obnoxious personality defect under the sun, and then some, are doomed to be dismissed by their base as closet liberals. Or worse.
There’s a reason for this, and it goes deeper than the fact that right-wing media and the politics it endorses are based almost entirely on hating others, rather than simply disagreeing with them. It isn’t enough to be a selfish, punishing, sociopathic hypocrite lacking a scintilla of human decency; credibility with this crowd means flaunting such qualities, from reveille to lights out, every day. If you’re not a complete and total asshole, you must be a RINO or something.
This phenomenon first dawned on me during the 2000 election, when Republican candidate George W. Bush was proven, repeatedly, to be an ignorant buffoon, self-entitled ne’er-do-well, pathological liar, unrepentant bully, and domineering God-botherer, yet millions of Americans claimed they wanted to “have a beer” with him. Really? I’d hate to see their real-life drinking buddies.
Today on Thom Hartmann’s radio show, right-wing trolls were unusually abundant, and as I listened I was thus treated to a veritable smorgasbord of righty odiousness: otherwise tired recitations of shopworn talking points were delivered so loudly, uncivilly and with such misguided triumphalism (and no shortage of transparent lying) that the whole spectacle became oddly fascinating.
Each caller had a central lie they were determined (and perhaps paid by a Republican Super PAC) to put out there, be it that health care reform would result in Death Panels, a “successful businessman” would naturally be a better President than a (darky) “Community Organizer,” or that since they themselves had to show ID to (insert irrelevant commercial transaction here), so why shouldn’t “they” have to show ID to vote, but none were content to leave it at that.
Most started with an introductory lie such as “I’m a lifelong Democrat,” or “I’m a small business owner” before aggressively launching into their obviously prepared scripts, which was annoying enough, but then each one proceeded to shout down, filibuster, and generally make asses of themselves, thinking that that made them sound victorious over the unfailingly polite and rational Hartmann.
Of course, none of the barking and repetitive callers were talking about the actual topic being discussed and all of them were utterly immune to facts or logic, so I could see why Thom continues to permit their otherwise completely disruptive presence on the program. Right-wing talkers, for obvious reasons, ruthlessly screen their callers for any evidence of heresy, rendering their shows a boring, predictable love-fest entirely devoid of conflict, and thereby avoiding unwanted intrusions of inconvenient facts. Righties assume, incorrectly, that liberals talkers do the same thing, so they lie and yell, and display themselves to be pretty much what we all knew they were in the first place.
One guy, who claimed to be from Illinois (which means he was undoubtedly from somewhere else), summed up the righty mindset quite succinctly when he confidently asserted that the country ought to be split, Confederate-like, on ideological lines, so liberals, stuck in benighted hellholes like California or New York, would soon be begging to emigrate to utopias like, say, Mississippi or Texas.
After listening to his ilk all day, I was sorely tempted to take him up on it.





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I wonder if it hurts when the little cuckoo pops out of these peoples’ foreheads once an hour?
Hag!
I hear conservatives are getting their own entry in the DSM-V, right next to sociopathy and paranoid schizophrenia.
“Right next to” sociopathy…?
Nah. They just call into Rush’s show and feel all better.
If you have to shout, you’ve already lost the argument. And the wingers always shout. And I do thank you for the picture – I get the giggles every time I see it.
Theirs is a higher order pathology combining sociopathy, delusional thinking, sadomasochism, narcissism, and a host of other loathsome afflictions.
I doubt it; it’s probably the closest they ever get to having an erection.
They seem pretty adept at getting their dander up, though…
I listened to Bill Press, his producer and all of his callers make idiots out of themselves discussing the possible Higgs discovery for a while this morning. Up until one guy asserted that god must be real because “science can’t explain a spirit or a soul” anyway. What’s even more astonishing is that science education in this country ranks as high as it does.
Speed the day!
Well, if you read “The Conservative Mind,” any John Dean, or Hell, Fox Nation, you’d see they fall into “all of the above.” Did I mention racist? Or what about fat? (I’m talking to you, Rush and Chris….) When they buy breath mints, do they shun “Wintergreen” in favor of “Ass?”
Thank my ever-indulgent Editor for digging that up….
Sounds dreadful. But it reminds me of a joke I saw earlier:
Two Higgs bosons go into a Catholic church. The priest sees them enter, quickly approaches, and asks them to leave, afraid that their presence will disrupt the service. But the Higgs bosons refuse to go, saying, “No! You can’t have Mass without us!”
That must be because so many kids aren’t, well, old and white. Bobby Jindal’s got a plan to fix that, though.
My best laugh was when Teabaggers found out the modern day definition of Teabagging.They blamed Rachel Maddow for giving them the name because she couldn’t keep herself from laughing out loud on air about it. But like everything, their short attention span helped them to forge ahead, even as it made their encephalitic heads throb.
Thom asked, in his (sometimes) infuriatingly polite way, “Have you ever been to Mississippi?” The ordinarily loquacious righty was momentarily speechless.
UGH!
Speaking of Louisiana, any one else getting a chuckle out of the buyer’s remorse in the state legislature over Bubba Jindal’s voucher scam? “Oh, noes, we forgot about that nasty old First Amendment again!”
I did get a giggle out of that earlier today. Always nice to see them hoist upon their own self-righteous petard.
And they found out about it from US. Their leaders hid it from them, out of understandable embarrassment, and just said evil libruls who used that term were “trying to make a fool of you” without explaining why.
recommend they all read Handmaid’s Tale. tho’ they won’t understand it, they’ll think it’s their manifesto.
Watching DVD’s for Jesus…. So much better than book learnin.’
What you have are people who never matured passed the age of 6 or maybe even earlier.
Probably because they were not allowed to. Either spoiled rotten or severely punished their entire lives by authoritarian parenting.
Interestingly enough, the more money is involved, the worse this is.
Just like 1984 turned out to be. A little knowledge, tossed into an empty chasm, is a dangerous thing.
A most excellent rant.
Good Catch an Illinois GOPer would not want to split the Union..,.because he would be on the wrong side.
Our Gov Quinn raised taxes and now we have more jobs than Wisconsin which cut taxes.
Walker claimed that Illinois jobs would run to his state but he is at or near the top of states with high unemployment.
Illinois GOPers would know better than to talk taxes, jobs etc and use our state as an example of Dem policy going wrong.
In fact the richer they are, the more likely they are to be jerks.
GOP states have more crime per capita, lower lifespans, higher infant mortality rates, lower education rates etc.
Plus they take more Fed Tax dollars than they pay to the Feds. We should be asking to separate from them.
See? The love of money really is the root of all evil. The Bible-worshippers might know that if they ever got around to reading their “favorite” book.
What happened to the days when the rich were nice to the servants, at least at Christmas? Oh, that was a few billion and a couple of Supreme Court decisions ago. My bad.
What was that quote of more likely to get a camel through the eye of a needle that the rich get into heaven ?
Gotta give Harry Reid credit (for once) for turning on my Spidey Sense, “Everything they say, believe the opposite.”
I figure they look for needy people who want to believe and or fellow psychopaths. They get divorced from Needy People when they catch on to the lies. The Psychos however don’t care as long as the cash keeps coming in.
I wonder what the divorce rate is now in the red states with the bad economy vs Blue States if my theory is right we should see a bigger spike in the red states.
Oh, but didn’t you know that Jesus was talking about a narrow gate into Jerusalem? *cough*bullshit*cough*
Those rich people were more likely to have started out as poor people rather than the sons and daughters of rich people.
You can say the same about WallStreet.:)
With considerable effort (and the hold button), Thom indeed mentioned all those things. To no effect, natch.
Just how are Red States vs Blue doing as far as jobs are going lots of GOP Governors cut taxes claiming it would create jobs.
Also Red State vs Blue State total Fed tax dollars factor in population I wonder what the numbers would be?
OT, but I would like to introduce you to the world’s most expensive trout (frozen). I mentioned last night that I spent the day up here, and that the hike up there was a bit epic (a two mile hike with a 400 foot gain in the first mile – going both ways for a starter). Really bad trail conditions, with many downed trees blocking the trail, sections where the trail turned into streams, swamps, or ponds, and a lot of remnant snowdrifts across the trail. What I did not mention is that on the way back, I slipped crossing one of those drifts and fell, hurting my hand. Had to go to the ER when I got back to town (2 hours later) and then to an orthopedic surgeon. So that damned fish cost me the price of 100 miles of gas, a trip to the ER, and a visit to an orthopedist. He damned sure better taste really good (I will let you know this weekend). The good news is that my hand is not injured as badly as the ER doctor thought and that I ought to be fully recovered in a couple of weeks.
Sometimes you just have to say answer the question and when the caller stalls with a non explanation just say your stalling you have no answer and cut him off. The Left is still to Nice I feel and we should fix that.
FDL we don’t let trolls take up to much of our time.
Oh, it’s well established that homo-loving, Commie Massachusetts has a lower divorce/teen pregnancy/divorce (and no doubt restraining order) rate than ole Miss.
The Rabbi Yeshua did not like rich folks, who are one of the few groups he singled out for eternal damnation repeatedly (there is another line about those who received their rewards in this life shall not have them in the next).
Aloha, Hag…! Another withering harangue on the blatant Sociopaths that comprise the ‘Right’…! ;-)
Yeah, sometimes I want to give Thom a kick in the pants, but since I’m working, I let the subsequent callers do it. And they do, usually.
You mean that nonexistant gate for which there are absolutely no references and no evidence?
*heh* Sh*t always floats to the top…! ;-)
I think it was more a sense of noblesse oblige, knowing that you had to throw the peasants a few crumbs so that they did not haul out the guillotines.
If cutting taxes produces jobs then where are the jobs? If private charity is so good and yes the red states give more to charity than the blue states but we pay higher taxes and have higher wages then why do we live longer and have less infant mortality?
If Mitt wants America to compete with China does he mean he wants us all to work at Chinese wages in plants with suicide nets outside the building?
Just what does Mitt mean when he says he wants us to compete with China?
No regulation on baby food like China had until all those babies died is that the kind of less government regulation Mitt wants.
Even the WallStreet Journal is saying Mitt needs to explain why his economic ideas are better than Obama’s.
I’m just glad they’re only on the radio, rather than cutting in line, making public scenes, or farting stealthily in the elevator in real life. I don’t need that.
No references, no evidence. That’s a wingnut’s favorite kind of fact.
*ouch* Dr. D…! Best healing vibes headed your way…! *g*
The funny thing is that the WSJ is so Fox-addled that they think that’s TRUE.
Mitt knows better. Ann, not so much, it seems.
As Krugman and several other economists have pointed out, repeatedly, we have run that experiment several times and it has failed to produce every time. Somebody also did a study recently which showed that cutting taxes did nothing to improve the economic performance of a state.
I wonder how much taxes would go down in Blue States if we did not have to support Red States?
Maybe every State must pay a minimum amount equal or greater than what they get back from the Fed in taxes?
I’ll look for that study Nite all:)
scary to have read these as dystopian future back in my Pleistoscene youth and now ….
(reply to cthag @ 24
Originally we though that I had sprained my thumb, but the orthopedist says there is no evidence of any muscular or ligament damage. He thinks I just bruised/abraded one of the nerve bundles and that it should be back to normal in a week or two.
…I don’t need that. *heh* Most particularly those silent farts, they’re fatal…! ;-)
I’ve often thought the “Fart Test” is the true test to parse Liberals from psycho-Conservatives.
A liberal, or at least polite person will appear slightly embarrassed for the olfactory inconvenience.
A psycho-Conservative isn’t happy until he’s done it in your face.
It’s just how they roll.
That’s a positive sign, Dr. D…!
Yeah, 1984 was science fiction until 2001, then it became fact. Now it’s almost nostalgic.
A true conservative deliberately farts in a crowded elevator!
Or proud of it…. Righties will blame the dog, the brakes, whatever.
And sneaky, too. Always a tell.
Time for me to toddle off. Between my sore thumb and the illegal fireworks in the school parking lot across the street all night, I did not get much sleep last night. Take care all.
It sucks that the repugs are such dicks. What sucks even worse is no one is opposing them in a substantial or meaningful way.
Liberalism is dead. You cannot horse trade with capital.
Hope your paw gets better; thanks for dropping in.
This is also true. The difference between “new money” and “old money”. IIRC “old money” used to not have much use for “new money”.
Isn’t it maddening? Lefties are polite to the point of being counter-informative.
Interestingly, NBR just reported today…
…Central bankers from Europe, England and China moved to give their respective economies a boost on the same day and within the same hour. And, don’t forget just a few weeks ago, Ben Bernanke and company moved to keep long- term rates low longer. So, investors are now wondering whether all of the action suggests world leaders finally have a grand plan to rescue the global economy or could it be the slowdown is worse than we originally thought? Economists say it’s probably a bit of both…
…There is a big problem. It’s why we see central banks all over the world putting stimulus in place. I think there’s a recognition certainly in Europe that action needs to be taken. So, that’s a good thing…
why does the phrase; ‘Too Little, Too Late’, comes to mind…?
A lady goes into see her doctor and after spending some time in the waiting room, is finally admitted to be examined.
After having a an examination the doctor asks her what seems to be the problem. She says “Doctor, I keep having these silent farts.” The doctor then replies, “Well first we need to get your hearing checked.”
Somebody said too little too late in a commentary in one of the only European news sources I read. But forgot which one.
Aawww, I just lost half my beer, M’dear…! ;-)
Currently wiping booze off screen….
Well then…
Have some madeira, m’dear
It’s really much nicer than beer
I don’t care for sherry, one cannot drink stout
And port is a wine I can well do without
It’s simply a case of chacun a son gout
Have some madeira, m’dear
Jinx…! ;-)
With apologizes to Tony Randell..
Any more I’m fairly certain the only way to actually organize is to form a new Church.
The “Holy Church Of Cocktails and Other Sundries Of The Saints”
And you know, enumerate “Teh Holy Sundries” like weed, champagne, other sin-ny kinda stuff and things like “We believe Our Persons Are Holy, and May Not Be Molested By Unreasonable Searches, like your asshole TSA procedures.”
Just saying, re-purposing the Bill of Rights in a Church format, with tons of giggles included, may not be a bad idea. TAX FREE ALSO TOO! WIN!!!!111!!!
LOL
Just jumping in at this late hour — whew! Watching Sleepless in Seattle, again.
I guess then I could finally get into this Religious Freedom thing…
And why not have a Corporate Wing of the Church? That way we could get all the Citizens United goodies.
I’m only half joking. If people could get out from under the onus of the “liberal” label, and have a vehicle where they could be all privately “rah rah!” for Medicare For All, Legal Weed and such, well they just might like some crazy church.
There’s proof that many already like a bunch of bat-shit crazy Church action.
It’s nice to see the homages to Nora…! ;-)
Deacon: “Is it going to be all right?”
Congregation: “It’s going to be all right!!
Deacon: “You bet, dear friends, it’s going to be all right tonight, here at the Powerhouse Church of the Presumptuous Assumption of the Blinding Light.”
Soloist: “Oh blinding light,
oh light that blinds,
I cannot see,
look out for me.”
Girl: “Daddy, where can I get a good deal in a Christian atmosphere?”
Pastor Rod Flash: “Here, friends, right here!”
Yes, I love all of her films. We cried.
A cautionary tale on your selection of ‘sacred’ libations… Roger Christie is still awaiting trial…! I’ve met him, and he’s being railroaded…! 8-(
If you’re listening to rightwinger Thom Hartmann, you’re already in trouble. Hartmann is the Zero of Radio; talks like a progressive until the rubber meets the road, then he’s a huge sellout. Phony as a three dollar bill. Despicable lying sack of shit.
Same for Bill Press. DINO and faux progressive to the max. Wrote a book about the lies the GOP tells about Pinocchio. But wouldn’t think of writing a book about the lies Pinocchio has told.
Christie is a prick
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/07/03/510565/christie-vetoes-millionaire-third/
*heh* So are ya gonna attend Bill’s book salon, Saturday, BP…? I’m planning on lurking and watching the FDL buzz saw dismembering him, limb by limb, live even…! Politics is the real bloodsport, after all…! ;-)
Because he won’t be pushed around by your union thugs?
Thom is an Obamabot, which can be annoying, but he’s no right-winger, fer Chrissakes.
Yeah, I’ll be there. Already working on my questions because, you know, now we have to be really, really careful that we don’t insult our guests. (I gotta wonder if Press has received a “heads up” from anybody about the buzzsaw that Van Jones ran into? Hehehe!)
And fat, too.
So completely charming that people want to draw blood on a Book Salon instead of, you know, actually dialoging with the author.
Score Points! vs understanding. Purity trolls for the win!
Hope you’re staying cool there in Denver. Want to buy you a drink when I’m back in two weeks
Spare me, Kelly…! Van and Bill are Obamabots, thru ‘n thru…! The carnage was/will be largely self-inflicted…! If Bill is able to avoid the pratfall of regurgitating nothing but DLC talking points, like Van did, it should be an interesting Salon…!
And spare me, Tuttle.
There’s talking with people and there’s bloodsport points/head taking.
I’m interested in one, not the other.
You and I agree, but, do you honestly think Bill will be forthright and honest in his responses…? I used to admire him during his tenure with CNN and enduring Pat’s neolithic domestic arguments on Crossfire, but, he’s long since drunk deeply from the DLC’s Koolaid kooler…! 8-(
First, what do you want out of the Salon? To be RIGHT! To be RIGHTEOUS and SUPERIOR to the Author?
If you assume responses to questions not even asked yet, well that’s potentially a decent debate strategy, but assuming the answers can be fraught with difficulty.
If the initial voltage of the conversation is YOU SUCK, AUTHOR! what is the guest left with as a strategy? I’d flip the finger and move on if the audience was hostile without demonstrated reason as regards the subject at hand.
And I say that because the Salons begin tabula rasa, excepting those who have READ THE BOOK.
So fine, dear commenter, have pre-conceived notions, even without reading the book. But that is what they are – PRE-CONCIEVED. Actually talking with the author reveals items/thoughts you don’t GET from the book, which is the whole POINT of the damn SALON.
I frankly think more conservative authors should be welcome here; I mean why not understand the Conservative Mind better?
Book Salon has turned into bashing instead of understanding. It’s a fucking shame, and shame on those who have made it so.
Nice rant there, bro…! I hope it wasn’t directed at me specifically…! If so, I challenge you to find a single hostile comment I’ve ever typed to any Author at any Book Salon…! I do agree that some others have been outta line and rude, and, I’ve usually told said individuals they were outta line afterwards…! So take a chill pill…!
My wife and I watch Thom every day. He along with Rachel are our favorites. Thom takes all calls and if you disagree with him he says that on the air so, there is not doubt of the caller’s stance on issues. That joker from Illinois was really a plant. We live in Illinois also. It’s not the best state going but, at least Quinn is trying to do things here. Thom is perhaps the best at shooting down Right-wing BS.. He calls it as he sees it and when he has a Right-wing guest he debates them honestly and fair. Something the Righties aren’t used to. They try to dominate the discussions but, Thom throws the truth in the conversation and these fools are left speechless!I guess they expect to have a pleasant time like when they all are on the Rush-bo show, which by the way, you hardly ever hear a progressive on his air space!! Keep it up Thom we all support you and look forward to each and every day of your broadcasts for us Lovers of Democracy, TRUTH and Justice And the American WAY!!!
My sad conversation with a clueless conservative co-worker. He’s a low information, Fox News loving Tea party conservative, devout Catholic, hates unions. Of course he’s overweight, not very good at his job (doesn’t understand computers), white, 60s, and yells when discussing unions. His reason for hating unions?
“My son had to join the union. Then he needs a fan at work because it’s hot. Unfortunately, he can’t get a fan because a union guy must bring it an plug it in, and the union guy is lazy. So my son wants to complain, but he’ll get fired for complaining. The union refuses to have his back if he gets fired for complaining about the heat at work. That’s why I hate Unions.”
I asked my co-worker if he has ever heard of OSHA. He yells some more. I should have told him his republican son is lucky to have a job right now, any job. He told me to shut up, that he had two other stories to explain his hatred of unions. I asked if he’s rich. He said, with a smirk, “I do alright.” I asked if he has heard of Michelle Rhee. He starts yelling about liberals and that’s when I gave up.
Cats.
A parasite, which is excreted by cats in their feces, called Toxoplasma gondii (T. gondii or Toxo for short) and is the microbe that causes toxoplasmosis, which results in mice being attracted to cats – mice acting against their own self interest. This microbe is also passed onto humans resulting in similar behaviors.
Conservatives may represent that part of the the population infected with toxoplasmosis.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/how-your-cat-is-making-you-crazy/8873/1/