They’re just like Warren Buffet who doesn’t voluntarily pay the higher taxes for the rich that he recommends.

Yes, a lot of people who say they’re against Social Security and Medicare take advantage of those programs. They may in principle be opposed to such programs, but they spend their working lives paying into these programs and the benefits are theirs, their opposition in principle notwithstanding. I don’t begrudge them their benefits regardless of their feelings about the programs. Sure they’re hypocrites. World is filled with them. On all sides.

Warren Buffet’s COAL TRAINS are an issue in Washington state. Warren’s a bad man. Warren needs to be outed as a very bad man, regardless of what his $$$$PR$$$$$$PR$$$$PRPRPRPRPRPRPR$$$$$$$$$$$PRPRPRPRPR$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$PRPRPRPRPR
portrays him to be.
A good man wouldn’t pursue Coal Trains running down the scenic Maritime Northwest Coastal region. Or Bumfuck inland,either. Warren is a very bad man. He can’t be content with what he has. He will destroy the environment to gain more paper wealth he’s incapable of spending. No one can physically put that much hoarded wealth back into the economy before they die, especially Warren.
So, to sum it up, FUCK WARREN and the PR overworked mule he rode in on.
NO COAL TRAINS.
OUT WARREN.

Yeah, not only did Rand receive social security but she never paid one dime into the system. She also got public assistance to help her fight lung cancer which she got from years of heavy smoking. So much for “bootstraps” and “personal responsibility”. It’s not surprising that her adherents are a bunch of self righteous hypocrites. She’s one of the worst offenders.

Good morning, pups. Today we have Kristof and Collins. Mr. Kristof is somewhere along the Kaspian Sea in Iran. He says “In Iran, They Want Fun, Fun, Fun” and that toung Iranians are tuning out. Of those encountered on a visit, many seemed less interested in religious fanaticism than in sex, drugs and rock ’n’ roll. Ms. Collins looks at “Political Private Practice” and says privatization can be pretty exciting. It’s true! Just imagine a privatizer as a guy with an eyepatch and a carpet steamer. Let’s talk about it, people!

Here they are.

The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got apple cranberry muffins today. I’m feeling a little bit more organized today, since I have a new light fixture in the kitchen and the grass has been mowed. I’m off to get my lunch organized. Have a great day.

The Teabaggage made itself part of the Do As I Say Not As I Do crowd with its signs to keep government out of their Medicare. These people are all about telling the rest of us we ought to give it up – but they have primary rights to the trough.

A lot of the people who scream about government spending have no idea who much of that spending they use every day.

I walked through a tea party pciket line. The signs were all over the place, some against immigration, some against Obama, some against taxes, etc. One fellows sign proudly proclaimed that he didn’t and wouldn’t take any government handout.

I suggested he get off the sidewalk, stay off the roads, and get out from under that streetlight. He was not amused.

Boxturtle (I was amused, and that was all that mattered)

Spot on, which is why the GOP and other austerity opponents carefully exclude older Americans from their budget slashing, trust fund raiding ways. They know who their constituency is.

If it’s there, I’m gonna use it. But it shouldn’t be there. – Jim Wright (R, Texas)

Boxturtle (Hypocracy seems to come easy when it includes a check)

Boxturtle (I was amused, and that was all that mattered)

LMAO! MY Libertarian brother got in an enormous amount of trouble with the IRS because he believed in the whole “sovereign citizen” paradigm. While he was still paying that off, his home was saved from a wildfire by government helicopters and C130′s dropping water and by municipal firefighters putting themselves at risk. I couldn’t resist saying that income taxes aren’t looking so bad now, are they? He wasn’t amused either.

Same with Mr. Teabagger himself, Dick Armey. Social security is fascism now stfu and cut me my check!

You mean that Iranians are pretty much normal teenagers and don’t spend all their time praying and building IED’s to use against us?!?!

He probably misinterpreted things. Language barrier or such. We should bomb them anyway, just to be safe.

Boxturtle (Next he’ll try to convince us that the kids weren’t all studying atomic science)

The sad part is they are robbing the public schools and libraries they grew up expecting to educate them and usually their kids.

Some places no longer give fire protection free, and if the home owner hasn’t paid, they burn. It’s not going to be long before that applies to other protections, I suspect.

I’m surprised they haven’t tried to repeal laws making education K-12 mandatory. Basic reading and basic arithmet8ic are all we worker ants need to keep making them rich after all….

I think the average teabagger would be shocked at how his taxes AREN’T used. The social safty net that they scream against is long dead, except for the elderly.

Boxturtle (You mean I AIN’T supporting every lazy n****r?!?)

Trust me, he wouldn’t have paid them if he was in such a location but he would have whined about it if his home had burned.

Gotta go to work. Laters.

There is a community near me that closed their school library, moved their books to the public library, and fired their librarian.

The public library, responding to the same budget cuts, cut hours, closed branches (including the only one near the high school), ended subscriptions to various magazines (but kept PEOPLE, for gosh sakes!), and reduced their book budget.

Boxturtle (Eventually, Wiki will be your public library)

Yes. There is a lawsuit in Ky where someone died while the firefighters just looked on. A lower court has already decided in favor of the city.

Boxturtle (how those firefighters live with themselves after that, I don’t know)

Funny stuff, we had a troll who admitted that he/she was posting free at the library. Going on about privatizing everything, of course.

economic libertarians happen to like regulations more then most, they just don’t like the regulations that force them into paying their own bills

Where I lived in central Fl. they billed you for the EMS and transport to the hospital. You could of course send in your health insurance. Presuming you had any.

They don’t like ANYTHING that forces them to pay their own bills. Biggest damn dead beats I know.

Here we have the survivalists, trying to get crop insurance and ag subsidies. Amazing.

In Ohio, if you have insurance they bill for the EMS services. Otherwise, they don’t bother.

If the government would support the hospitals, like say providing insurance for the uncovered, they wouldn’t need to do that.

Boxturtle (Too many folks have the emergency room for their family doctor)

in response to cmaukonen and ruth

without regulations ron paul and his son would get slapped around so silly, if they managed to survive they would be whimpering in a corner asking if they could have another

and there would be no regulation preventing it

When the roads are all toll roads, wanna hear them screech?

I lived in Naples Fl. in the 1960s. There were a lot of very rich people there and they were customers of the TV shop i worked at but the absolute worst at paying their bills.

I guess it’s easy to be rich when you don’t pay for anything and steal all your money.

I’ve been hearing about not paying property taxes until the sheriff shows up with the announcement of date for sale of same, when they work out an agreement for paying less than the total amount most folks have to pay. lots of ways to avoid paying what the rest of us think is due.

Ron Paul is an offense to real libertarians. At least folks like Johnson are intellectually consistent(even if I don’t agree with him on corporate regulation) and insist that individual liberty is equally important. Ron Paul is just a small little authoritarian hypocrite with no real grasp on what it feels like to be a minority or the hurdles they have to cross daily. It surprises me not that he is a hypocrite regarding social security. I would have been more surprised had he been consistent.

how bout when a person can legally send a bazooka through their house, watch em beg for regulations then

the “libertarian” movement was brilliant marketing

they took social issues which most people agree with (less government regulation on how you run your life as long as you don’t hurt your neighbor is usually good) and co-opted the principle as if it would translate into an economic strategy (less government in economics is usually bad)

so people feel obligated, if to root for the base libertarian principles socially they think that means they agree across the board

it is brilliant propaganda

but as I said, economic libertarians actually love regulations, they couldn’t survive without regulations, however they have co-opted the principles so they can get social libertarians on board

I myself am somewhat a social libertarian, of course I don’t want the government telling me who to marry, what I can or can’t do with my wife, etc

still i do want the regulations that prevent my neighbor from putting up a sign that blocks my view of the beach so even social libertarians like regulations of some sort

Marketing…HA…why does it always come back to Madison Av. ?

Worse yet, he wants to raise taxes, and not just any old taxes but rather taxes on the wealthy job creators.

Ayn Rand’s books should be in the fantasy section of bookstores.

Rand’s entire philosophy is an effort to support the nonsense that a small parasite community is somehow superior to the host that supports it and makes its existence possible.

My small business netted $20,000 last year. I also receive Social Security…less than $9,000 a year. Because I’m not “fully” retired, I had to pay Social Security back $3,000. I’m only allowed to make $14,000 per year in addition to my Social Security until I’m 66. Anything I make over $14,000 I’m required to pay 50% of it back to Social Security. Of course I also paid the full Social Security payroll tax on that $20,000. Now if I were a bank or an oil company or a congress person….

So government “help” is receiving the benfits of insurance for which you paid premiuims your entire working life.

So much of the SS/Medicare reform is nothing but a bunch of greedy a$$holes who see a big pile of money and want it.

uh, yeah, exactly. Except Warren Buffet has taken the vast majority of his fortune and dedicated to the Gates charitable foundation. But , what a loser, he won’t pay taxes the government has not yet imposed. And what nerve, to think he can participate in whatever is left of our democratic political process by voicing his opinion, particularly an opinion like that!

are you referring to Bershire Hathaway owning a railroad?

True libertarians don’t use public highways, drink water from public fountains, or walk on public streets.

Hypocracy, that is called. My mother-in-law, a devout rightwing in Carolinas recently passed away of liver cancer. All of her relatives including her son (a successful business man) are against spending on social programs. But she got all kind of help from medicare and medicaid for expensive hospitalization. Nothing wrong with that as far they were concerned. It reminds me of “not in my backyard syndrome”. You can build polluting factories in the low income area but not in our neighborhood. That is something I love to question/mention to social spending cuts promoters and enjoy their facial expressions and answers.

Ron Paul and Social Security

Ron Paul voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act, a bill designed to require the Secretary of Health and Human Services to negotiate lower drug prices for drugs for people enrolled in a prescription drug plan through Medicare part D.  http://www.votesmart.org/issue… 

Ron Paul voted for the Social Security Benefits Tax Relief bill, a bill that lowers the percentage of Social Security benefits subject to taxation.  http://www.votesmart.org/issue… 

Ron Paul voted for the Social Security Lock Box bill, a bill that implements procedural safeguards that make it more difficult to allocate Social Security surpluses for other programs. 

Ron Paul voted for the Social Security Account Protection bill, a bill that provides 90% of any federal surplus for Social Security.  http://www.votesmart.org/issue… 

Ron Paul’s Social Security, by the way, is his money, not the government’s. He paid it. He gets it back.

Ron Paul and Civil Liberties

Ron Paul opposes indefinite detention without trial. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/ron-paul-adam-smith-detention_n_1522142.html and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_iw8PFvAs.

Ron Paul voted against the USA Patriot Act and against each and every single one of the Patriot Act extension or reauthorization bills.  Paul also voted for a movement to amend the Patriot Act to eliminate provisions that violate the civil liberties of American citizens.  http://www.votesmart.org/votin…

Ron Paul repeatedly speaks out against the use of torture and government assassination of enemies of the state.  http://youtu.be/Skeom9K8fww. Paul voted to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.  http://www.votesmart.org/issue…

Ron Paul voted against the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which specifies that enemy combatants are not able to invoke rights under the Geneva Convention and prohibits courts, justices, or judges from hearing or considering writs of habeas corpus or any other action filed by or on the behalf of detained enemy combatants.  http://www.votesmart.org/issue…

Ron Paul voted to repeal DADT.

“Unlike 91 percent of his party’s House delegation, unlike Sen. John McCain, the GOP’s “moderate” presidential candidate in 2008 (and unlike President Clinton, who signed DADT into law), Ron Paul’s vote helped queer advocates achieve a landmark victory for many (albeit not enough) people wishing to serve this country openly and honestly.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-groshoff/ron-paul-homophobic_b_1171695.html?ref=politics&ir=Politics

Ron Paul voted for the Reporter’s Source Confidentiality Guidelines, a bill that prohibits the federal government or a communications service provider from requiring a reporter to disclose writings, recordings, photographs, or the identity of a source without due process of law.  http://www.votesmart.org/issue…

Ron Paul on ending the War on Drugs and racism in the criminal justice justice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

Ron Paul on warmongering, Islamophobia, Israel, and the Palestinians:

Ron Paul: “I don’t see Islam as our enemy.”

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/08/ron-paul-i-dont-see-islam-as-our-enemy/

Ron Paul’s statement opposing pro-Israel House resolution supporting Israel’s massacre in Gaza 2008.

http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=14027

Ron Paul on military spending and reasons for 911 attack during Tea Party debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8S3yws_88I

Ron Paul’s ad opposing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyuH9C4F3Cc&feature=related

And Ron Paul’s son’s first name is Randall, not Rand.

And Ron Paul supports Wikileaks and Bradley Manning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soF2uIe8GPk

the wealthy are not the job creators, laborers are the wealth creators, you create more labor and laborers through taxes on those who reap the wealth laborers provide

The case against Rand as a hypocrite is much stronger than that against Paul who would argue that he’s entitled to those benefits because he paid for them. However, if he paid for them, then how are they socialism or a bad idea?

The main problem with libertarians is that they are unsophisticated, simplistic ideologues. They take what is in many–but not all–cases a good idea (market economics) and turn it into a cure-all. It becomes an article of faith for them. Whereas a sensible person makes judgments based on the most desired outcome (are the elderly and society better off with those programs?), the libertarian judges a program on whether or not it closely adheres to their fact-indifferent ideological edicts. Thinking is hard.

My first sentence in #46 should read “…against Rand as a hypocrite is much stronger than that against Paul….”

Okay, I was finally allowed to edit my post.

yes, because when I’ve sent in too much money on my tax returns (and I have), the Federal Government didn’t cut me a refund check. Could you please point to the line in any tax form that is used for overpayment of income tax? No.. not that one for applying funds against your next year’s estimated taxes.. the one where you indicate that you’d really prefer to pay into a higher tax bracket or maybe even one that doesn’t exist.
We’re all just Dyyyyiiiinnnngggg to know.

I’m going to pay you the respect of assuming you’re not an idiot. Unfortunately that can only lead me to believe you’re a propagandist and a liar.

Do you honestly think anyone with half a brain doesn’t understand the difference between someone accepting a benefit while trying to take it away from everyone else and Warren Buffett advocating a change in tax policy that would place an additional burden on him?

Perhaps you should look up the word hypocrisy. I don’t know if conservatives really don’t understand it or if they just pretend to be stupid.
Hypocrisy is very specifically; pretending to have have a moral, virtuous, or righteous position when you do not.

Ron Paul, and hysterically Ayn Rand pretend(ed) they were the true arbiters of righteous authority while taking advantage of the programs they decry as immoral. Yes, they actually consider social programs immoral.
Buffet, on the other hand lives in our current tax system. He is advocating for a policy change that would actually be detrimental to him because he believes it would be more moral.
These are diametrically opposed acts.

For your comparison between Buffett and Paul to actually make sense, Buffett would have to call for increased taxes while actively lobbying for decreased taxes for the wealthiest Americans. He would have to be taking an ethical stance while really trying to line his pockets.. he’d have to be supporting Romney’s tax policy.. and he’s not.

Ron Paul sucks. He sucks on social liberties if you are female. He sucks on social liberties if you are a minority. He sucks on liberties if you aren’t white and male like him. He is on the record as stating Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional and wants to give the younger generation an opt out.

His positions are not progressive and it baffled me that so many could oooooh and ahhhh over his candidacy simply because he states the obvious position that the wars we have fought over in the ME have been costly and made us less safe.

The ideas that a conglomeration of people whose primary motivation is profit should be regulation free while women’s uteruses and individuals choice on who to enter a marital contract with should be regulated by federal institutions is insanity. Governmental control isn’t supposed to curtail personal choice on what risks you should be required to undergo(and let’s be clear pregnancy is a risk) or who you should be allowed to have sex with(as if somehow or another individual choices on life partners is a NATIONAL issue.) Government control is supposed to insure that BP doesn’t cut corners and pollute water in their pursuit of profit. Government control is supposed to ensure that the food sold to me is safe for consumption and not going to give me diseases(but hey its shelf stable to maximize profits for agribusiness.)Paul has it jackass backwards.