Netroots Nation is the largest gathering of progressives each year, showcasing a complete spectrum of activism and thinking. The panels I attended featured smart and deeply involved people, and the talks were funny and intelligent. My rough take is that the people who deal directly with the formal structures of governance, the administration and its regulatory agencies, the courts, and the legislature, are deeply worried about the future. The people focused on the economy are deeply worried about the future. The people who deal directly with people in need, people who are losing in the housing crisis, the jobs crisis, and the surveillance state, the direct activists, all are hopeful.
The panel on direct action against the banks featured Malcolm Chu, who works with homeowners facing foreclosure. His one on one stories about homeowners fighting back and the people who are helping them were inspirational. Tracy van Slyke of The New Bottom Line is one of the people behind the Home Defenders League, a group working to organize the 16 million underwater homeowners, has a specific plan for the future, skipping past the formal structures of government to focus on helping individual homeowners connect and work together. They have a way forward.
Other panels of experts dealing with formal structures were depressing. The panel on a new economy offered some ideas about what a decent economy would look like, but had no ideas that seemed plausible for moving the country in that direction. The panel on the Federal Reserve Bank, led by Mike Konczal, explained the problems the Fed faces and causes, and offered no pathway towards the weak solutions they suggested. Dave Dayen’s panel on the foreclosure mess went into the weeds explaining the problems and the misery facing millions of Americans. We know what needs to be done, but we have no way to do it. The formal structures of government are deeply committed to protecting the banks and the rich, and everyone else is a loser.
The most depressing panel discussed the Supreme Court. This panel included Nan Aron, Dahlia Lithwick, Debo Adegbile and Lani Guinier. The panel started out pessimistic and got worse. Adegbile was truly upsetting. He is the chief litigation officer of the NAACP. He works on all of those cases involving fundamental protections for all of us, like the Voting Rights Act. He has direct experience dealing with the Supreme Court, giving him an authoritative perspective. He agreed with the other panelists as they discussed the broad array of cases that the Supreme Court can use to move the country in the direction that the right wing loves, tearing down every progressive accomplishment. It was just depressing.
One panel discussed a number of reasons that manufacturing left the US and isn’t coming back. Dave Johnson, a writer with a solid background in tech matters, says that one problem is that US business leaders don’t think of themselves as Americans but as Globalists. They are doing exactly what China wants because they think it benefits them, without regard to the interest of the rest of us. Marcy Wheeler explained the market issues, pointing out that the sheer numbers of Chinese make that market so attractive that business is willing to kowtow to the Chinese. She also noted the problem of national security. Paul Scott of the Alliance for American Manufacturing led the panel. He says that all of the chips manufactured in China for our warplanes have back doors. This problem and the related problem of transfer of military technology have been obvious for years. Scott noted a couple of encouraging signs, but the real problem is that we have no industrial policy, and we never will have an industrial policy, and the leaders of US businesses will continue to eat away at out nation until they change their minds, and we can’t affect them. [cont'd.]
The panel on surveillance of communities deemed dangerous, like Muslims, was comically depressing. The people doing the surveillance, like the New York Police Department, have the weirdest ideas imaginable. Just see if you can read this without a snicker. I asked Cyrus McGoldrick if my skimpy white beard was a sign of radicalization, and he suggested that I keep a close watch behind me. The only thing this panel had to offer was the hope that foolish overreach would discredit the entire terror apparatus.
The lesson is clear. If you are directly facing the formal institutions in this country, there is no visible way forward. It’s depressing. If you are actively engaged in trying to help people one on one or in small groups, you can point to successes and see ways to leverage those successes into broader actions that will make a difference. The organizers have hope. The people engaged in other kinds of activism, like Erica Payne, have hope. Progressives get to pick their troubles, but that activism thing looks like a lot more fun than reading 10-Ks from JPMorgan Chase.
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Video Notes: Boston Workmen’s Circle A Besere Velt (A Better World) Yiddish Chorus, performs “Bread and Roses/Makhnes Geyen” at the Rosenberg Fund for Children’s “Celebrate the Children of Resistance” event in Boston, MA, June 19, 2007. The song is a ballad from the 1912 Lawrence, MA textile strike, woven together with an anthem dedicated to the fighters in the Spanish Civil War. “The masses are marching in the struggle for victory.”



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The lesson is clear. If you are directly facing the formal institutions in this country, there is no visible way forward. It’s depressing. If you are actively engaged in trying to help people one on one or in small groups, you can point to successes and see ways to leverage those successes into broader actions that will make a difference.
Translation: the doctors are pessimistic and say the prognosis is grave, the prayer group takes a different view.
I wouldn’t knock the power of prayer but let’s recognize faith-based politics when we see it.
Netroots are NOT progressives…
They are sellouts. They believe in nothing and stand for nothing.
They have sold their souls to a bunch of corrupt politicians calling themselves “democrats”. They kicked their supposed “beliefs” into the dirt in order to get chummy with a bunch of crooks.
Another way of saying that the 1% have shut down change from inside institutions completely.
Change must come from outside the formal institutions, either through confronting them or creating alternatives that supplant them.
That is why the Occupy movement continues to provide hope.
Way to paint 2700 people with a very broad brush.
Well, that was cheery!
They did it to themselves.
My own thoughts scare me but I believe that the only way to change anything is to bring the Democratic Party to its knees. We certainly can’t change the Republicans with all their loons taking charge. The Democratic Party belongs to us and in the past stood for our principles. This doesn’t sound at all nice but I’m no longer willing to have everything taken away from us and right now we’re on the outside and aren’t even allowed to look inside.
Interesting…all that and the word “Obama” did not appear in five longish paragraphs.
It’s as if he doesn’t exist anymore. Did all of this shit descend on us from heaven?
I imagine that his name was not much bandied about in the speechifying at the convention, either.
No matter…the republicans will correct the…oversight. Andre’ Bauer, a world-class conservative turd, running for congress here in South Carolina, is putting up campaign signs that read, simply:
“Stop Obama”.
I doubt that the strategy of some progressives, pretending that there IS no occupant of the Oval Office, is going to get much traction with the voters.
TD, I agree with you about OWS. Though we are disempowered as well. I do think the people who focus on change we can do for ourselves, working with groups or individuals to make something better, this is one of the few places where our energies are gratified in small measure, and masaccio says it too.
I feel discouraged, honestly. But I do know that if I stop fighting, the PTB have won, so I have to keep trying to put a wrench in the gears. I do need something to re-charge myself after this depressing week.
masaccio, thank you for this post.
I agree. However, if there is some truth to what independentvoternews suggests, that might explain the downbeat tenor of Netroots Nation this year!
Twain, you’re as right as a snake:
Here’s Ted Rall:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/ted-rall-slideshow/
I feel like the Party is just one more of those institutions that we can’t change. How do you think we bring it to its knees?
Gee, thanks for cheering me up masacchio, this is the first thing I read after waking up.
Yep, the 1%’ers pretty much have it sewn up.
That’s what you get when you play by their rules.
This country was founded by men and women who broke the rules binding society at the time and that spirit of fuck you very much is still alive and well in this country.
The pendulum is always swinging and right now it is headed for the dark side.
Eventually it will stop and start to swing back the other way.
The underground economy is in full swing and has been for some time now and there are many millions of people who could care less about what our government is doing and just go about the business of surviving one more day, every day.
We call those folks sheeple.
I was worried for a long time that this country was going full tilt fascist,when all along they were quietly turning the joint into an Oligarchy.
Welcome to Amerika, Inc.
And dont even get me started on the “theres no hope” scam.
If their brainwashed, sold out minds only allows them to vote for Corrupt Democrats or Corrupt Republicans [which appears to be the case] then yes… things are hopeless for those people.
Anyone who can think for themsleves and who has NOT sold everyone out… knows we have the power to change ALL of this… with our vote.
STOP VOTING FOR CROOKS…! Stop voting for crooked Democrats and crooked Republicans.
But “netroots” has NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in real change… they only want fake “change” that will get corrupt Democrats elected… and the Republicns have their versions of the same scam.
The American people have awakened to the reality that both the Democrats and Republicans are corrupt to the core.
THERE ARE NO ANSWERS TO THE COUNTRIES PROBLEMS TO BE FOUND IN CORRUPT POLITICIANS.
Stop rewarding your oppressors. STOP VOTING FOR CROOKS. You are doing the work of the 1% for them. You are handing over your most precious gift [your vote]… and your most powerful weapon in the fight against corruption… to a bunch of crooks.
What is the difference between fascism and oligarchy?
lol
From Merriam Webster;
Definition of FASCISM
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Definition of OLIGARCHY
1
: government by the few
2
: a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control
Seems we have a combination plate.
Isn’t this just the “DailyKos Obama Bootlickers Convention”?
A better description of our current form of non-democratic government may be a “Corporatocracy”.
Yeah, but still with a side of reactionary “religion.”
I think the biggest problem is that most people do want “change”, but are unwilling to modify their “standard of living” to make it happen.
I think the process of hurting the Dem party has already started. Was reading the other day that 90% of the young people who gave money to Obama in 2008 have NOT given this time. That agrees with the reports that he didn’t do so well in this last period. Now, that’s a message that even the Dems can read. I would be happy to campaign against the Dems – they haven’t earned my respect or my vote and they won’t get either.
Thats exactly what it is.
The Only voters that matter, listed below
Matt Taibbi put the list below together
Obama’s top 20 list included:
Goldman Sachs ($1,013,091)
JPMorgan Chase & Co ($808,799)
Citigroup Inc ($736,771)
WilmerHale LLP ($550,668)
Skadden, Arps et al ($543,539)
UBS AG ($532,674), and…
Morgan Stanley ($512,232).
McCain’s list, meanwhile, included (drum roll please):
JPMorgan Chase & Co ($343,505)
Citigroup Inc ($338,202)
Morgan Stanley ($271,902)
Goldman Sachs ($240,295)
UBS AG ($187,493)
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher ($160,346)
Greenberg Traurig LLP ($147,437), and…
Lehman Brothers ($126,557).
Obama’s list included all the major banks and bailout recipients, plus a smattering of high-dollar defense lawyers from firms like WilmerHale and Skadden Arps who make their money representing those same banks. McCain’s list included exactly the same banks and a similar list of law firms, the minor difference being that it was Gibson Dunn instead of WilmerHale, etc.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/iowa-the-meaningless-sideshow-begins-20120103#ixzz1icl0E0pm
the people who manage the Dem and Rep puppets are listed above
Bravo… great comment.
Reality… truth.
Thank you.
Personally I have decided to vote for Republicans.
The quicker they are in power, the quicker the whole system collapses.
The dissolution of this empire will be bloody.
Maintenance of “United” in United States will result of drones coming to your neighborhood, and summary execution from the sky if you are not behaving to an unspecified and unknowable norm.
The norm will be unpublished and shifting, the argument will be if one knew the norm then one can behave and not attract attention, and that is a terrorist behavior which makes one subject to summary execution.
Such logic would make Kafka proud.
Kos’ objective of electing more and better Democrats is exposed for the hollow shell Nader predicted. “Hope and Change” for me and not for thee.
Well I’d suggest a General Strike. Oh wait that requires unions with teeth, teeth pulled by Taft-Hartley and never repealed by Democrats in when the help both Houses of Congress & The White House.
This has been evolving how long?
I will vote for Independents[not affiliated with any political party] and third party [Green Party and Reform Party] ONLY…!
No more Corrupt Democrats or Corrupt Republicans… voting for any of them only results in allowing the crooks to continue running the country.
Why anyone would think thats a good idea is beyond me…
Except it’s not beyond… it’s caused by brainwashing.
The Obama handlers long ago made the political calculation that they don’t need us. Us being thinking human beings with progressive instincts.
They would like to have us along for the ride, but they know we won’t vote for a fascist. They figure about 10% of the dems are progressive, and they’re right.
They don’t need us.
Yes Netroots is kind of “vealy peny” since O came to town. Sad that so many powerful voices on the left are silenced now, when now is the only leverage there is on Democrats and the Administration.
I realize I’m probably wasting my time, but…
I would urge you to reconsider. I can’t say that voting any way is going to make the necessary changes as perhaps those saying the only way those changes will occur are from outside the electoral process are right.
But, I can say, that IF it’s possible for voting to actually make the changes we need occur, then IMO voting Republican (or Democratic for that matter) is not the way to go.
I think, though admit it’s such a longshot as to not be worth discussing if you’d rather not, that IF change is to occur within the electoral system the first step of that change is for enough voters to start rejecting both of our default choices. It won’t happen fast, it may not happen at all, but I beleive IF it can happen, that the way to make it start is to reach a level of, oh, say 10% in a Presidential election voting for anyone other than D or R.
Then, if in the next one, we reach 20%, (or if we surprised everyone and reached 20-25% in THIS one) then whatever force for change that can occur within the electoral system will begin to occur.
If in the 2012 election Obama and Romney (whoever wins) together gets 95% or more of the total vote, then no change will be considered necessary. If, however, either one wins but their combined total is only say 84% of the total vote, there’s “demand” there, that like in the market, will soon find “political entrepenuers” (can’t spell that word sorry) moving to meet that demand.
So, IF voting can change things, I think it’s best if you would vote, but vote for ANYONE other than the R or D.
YMMV.
They THINK they don’t need us but they do. As more and more voters drop away they will begin to realize what they’ve done. They can have a gazillion dollars and with not enough votes they are nowhere. They need us a whole lot more than we need them.
YES, absolutely agreed.
To win, they believe they need BOTH money and our votes. And if they act a certain way, they’ve learned they will lose the money.
Until they learn that by acting a certain way will lose them the votes too, they have no incentive to behave any differently.
We have to use what we have to give (our votes) EXACTLY how the 1% uses what they have to give ($$$$$) and reward them when the do right and withhold from them when they don’t.
It requires what it did in the 1930s–workers so fed up they were willing to lose income, be beaten or killed by the police or go to jail. We got a preliminary count of the number of people on the West Coast who have that determination in the Shut Down the Ports action.
The Republicans held the House with 246 seats to 188 seats. Both California and New York had Republican majorities in their delegations to Congress. The states with 80%-100% majority Democrats in the 1946 Congress were: Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia. Those with 60%-80% Democrats were: Oklahoma, Tennessee, Kentucky, Maryland. Utah and Montana were 50%-60% Democratic. The Republican held the Senate 51-45. (The 1946 election is when Joe McCarthy defeated Bob LaFollette). Democrats re-elected in 1946 included: Ernest W. McFarland, Arizona; Spessard Holland, Florida; Theodore Bilbo, Mississippi; Dennis Chavez, New Mexico; Kenneth D. McKellar, Tennessee; Tom Connally, Texas; Harry F. Byrd, Virginia; Harley M. Kilgore, West Virginia; Joseph C. O’Mahoney, Wyoming. Guess which of those Senators were pro-labor.
The assertion that progressives have owned the Democratic Party is patently false and the source of a recurring illusion that fighting within the Democratic Party is not important. The problem right now is that that internal fight cannot happen because of the dominance of independent money to candidates.
The unalterable fact about the 2012 election is that in most national races either a Democrat will win or a Republican will win. That makes voting decisions very difficult for progressives. There might be races in which voting independent will change policy, but I can’t think of any national ones. Although I encourage third parties to go for the win.
Thinking one will send a message to a politician is delusion unless you have several million dollars to go with that message.
And yet I just explained exactly how voting independant CAN change policy in the biggest national one of all, the Presidential one, three posts above yours.
The current politicians don’t need us. They make it manifest by shutting off any means of communicating with us that cannot be correlated with pre-set polling positions. We are not represented. We are marketed to. If you don’t buy it, enough will that the 1% win either way.
The more you go down-ticket, the smaller the amount of money required to get a politician’s attention. Our opportunities in 2012 are down-ticket. Everything else is defensive voting.
Ah, proof then that it’s perfectly fine to NOT vote for them. Thank you.
This increases the margin of victory of the winner and is not randomly distributed across ideology. Progressives are more likely to sit out than rabid conservatives; rabid conservatives are more likely to respond to primary challenges. Progressives tend to jump the party and Democrats tend to suppress primary challenges; both of those have turned out to be self-defeating.
Any attempt to provide alternatives to the default two parties has to go in to win. This is more likely accomplished downticket than at the Presidential level until there is enough national momentum in the movement.
My estimation is that progressives won’t affect this Presidential election one way or the other regardless of what they do.
Yep.
You’ve just explained exactly why, if the third party vote gets upward of 15 to 20% the change that will likely lead to is a PROGRESSIVE third party or a move more PROGRESSIVE by the Democrats to regain those votes.
Because those that do vote third party in the general do tend to be more progressive.
That’s exactly why it’s important for progressives to vote third party this year. Doesn’t matter if they win, just get that percentage up to 15-20%, and either the Democrats will respond by trying to regain that vote OR a new, more unifited progressive like third party will emerge.
Folks need to understand, if you can poll 20% nationally, you’re a weapon to be dealt with. And with that comes power.
If folks want to willingly relinquish that power to a party that no longer ever rewards them for it, then IMO that’s the epitomy of stupid voting.
Progressives have the power to make change in this country. Real, progressive change. But if folks keep listening to the naysayers and keeping willingly giving up that power, then we don’t deserve real progressive IMO.
Today’s progressives don’t know a Democrat from a neocon. That’s the problem.
Third party results in 2008:
Ralph Nader, Independent – 738,475 (0.56%)
Bob Barr, Libertarian – 523,686 (0.40%)
Chuck Baldwin, Constitution – 199,314 (0.15%)
Cynthia McKinney, Green – 161,603 (0.18%)
Those were the only candidates who were on enough state ballots to have a theoretical chance of winning.
FEC 2008 Presidential Results
Other candidates were:
Bob Jay – Boston Tea Party/Personal Choice Party
Alan Keyes – America’s Independent Party, American Independent Party
Gloria LaRiva – Party of Socialism and Liberation
Gene Amondson – Prohibition Party
Ted Weill – Reform Party (Ross Perot’s old group?)
Roger Calero – Socialist Workers Party
Independent Candidates on ballots in at least one state:
Johnathan E. Allen
Jeffrey Boss
Richard Duncan
Bradford Lyttle
Frank McEnulty
John Polachek
Thomas Stevens
Write-in candidates:
Stephen P. “Steve” Adams (Independent-Kentucky)
Donald K. Allen (Independent-Ohio)
Blake Ashby (Independent-Missouri)
Lawson Mitchell Bone (Independent-Tennessee)
John K. Bootie (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Clark B. Braxton (Independent-California)
Richard H. Clark (Independent-Maryland)
Don Cordell (Independent-California)
Orion Karl Daley (Balanced Party-New York)
Christopher J. Dardzinski (Write In-Michigan)
Michael David Elder (Independent-Texas)
Cris Ericson (Marijuana Party-Vermont)
Michael L. Faith (Independent-Ohio)
Nick Farmer (Write In-Indiana)
Quay Fortuna (Ward Republic Party-Iowa)
Ronald “John Galt Jr.” Gascon (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Mark B. Graham (Independent-Florida)
Pete Grasso (Independent-Virginia)
Jack Grimes (United Fascist Union-Pennsylvania)
Leonard C. Habermehl (Independent-Kentucky)
RaeDeen Heupel (Independent-North Dakota)
Thaddaus Hill (Madisonian Federalist Party-Texas)
Ronald Hobbs (Independent-Pennsylvania)
Brian Holland (National Socialist Movement-Virginia)
Yonyuth Hongsakaphadana (Independent-Connecticut)
William “Bill” Ingram (Independent-North Carolina)
Paul Jensen (Independent American-Michigan)
Rob Jorgensen (Independent-North Carolina)
Keith Russell Judd (Independent-New Mexico)
Daniel Kingrey (Independent-New Hampshire)
Steve Kissing (Independent-Ohio)
David Koch (Independent-Utah)
William R. “Bill” Koenig (Independent-Virginia)
Lou Kujawski (Independent-Ohio)
Elvena E. Lloyd-Duffie (Independent-Illinois)
Brad Lord-Leutwyler (Independent-Nevada)
James E. Lundeen (Independent-Ohio)
Joe Martyniuk (Independent-Illinois)
West Marcus (Independent-Alabama)
Charles Maxham (Give Me Back America Party-New Jersey)
James McCall (Independent-Ohio)
Tom Millican (Independent-North Carolina)
Robert Milnes (Independent-New Jersey)
Phillip W. Morrow (Independent-Texas)
James Mote (Independent-?)
Kevin Mottus (Independent-California)
Gary Nettles (Independent-Florida)
Jeff “Petro” Petkevicius (Independent-Louisiana)
John Leroy Plemons (Independent-Indiana)
Desmond Ravenstone (Independent-Massachusetts)
Arthur J. Regan (Independent-Massachusetts)
Platt Robertson (Independent-Nevada)
“Average Joe” Schriner (Independent-Ohio)
Edward N. Schwarz (Youth International Party-New York)
Jonathon “The Impaler” Sharkey (Vampire, Witches & Pagan Party-New Jersey)
Charles Symonds (Independent-California)
Diane Templin (American-California)
Da Vid (Light Party-California)
Lanakila Washington (Humanist Party-New York)
Jerry White (Socialist Equality Party-Michigan)
Ruth Bryant White (Independent-Nevada)
Kelcey Wilson (Independent-California)
Sorta all over the lot ideologically.
Book Salon up with Linda Hirshman’s Victory: The Triumphant Gay Revolution hosted by Todd Gitlin
I agree. If absolutely no Democrats voted, they might get the message. This slow death is killing my soul before my body is buried.
People, please. These ‘votes’ of which you speak, they are what jedimsnbcko19 listed (called ‘donations’). Actual people casting ‘ballots’ is not how it is done anymore. It has been a while since human voters have even been needed to ratify $$ votes. Voting machines do the job quite nicely. (see Dominion Voting here and BlackBox Voting about its mysterious ownership here.)
Our economy has failed us and our institutions have failed us. For a few others, they have been wildy successful and, as we know, history is written by the victors.
Change? It won’t come from voting. But it might come from changing. I have to agree w/synoia that the change will be bloody but that is no reason to vote <republican. That's suicide voting. Vote your heart, either the Rs or Ds will win, don't waste a minute's thought on that. Think about how we will survive and how, if we do, we want to live.
All of this points to the fact quite clearly that Obama policies have driven the democratic loyalists further right in supporting a president that eviscerates democratic principles. They are yes…despairing, but it is of their own doing. They put all their eggs in one basket and the basket it turns out has rotten eggs in it. Those least despairing remain focused on the issues. Therein lies our salvation in a sense: with Occupy dispersed, better to regroup in smaller communities, hunker down on the issues, and recruit. Get stronger, educate, enlighten and build for another showdown, which hopefully, might be the tipping point to real democracy. Those who continue to prioritize around a politician who doesn’t have the same values is going to suffer, internally, in a profound way.
Many are forgetting what Occupy did accomplish: it changed the national framework from one of austerity to one of disparity of wealth. Not an easy thing to do. That Occupy was misrepresented in the media, and ultimately violently dispersed by the U.S. security apparatus is testament to its brief power. Occupy isn’t dead. It’s scattered, went home, perhaps even somewhat demoralized, but living inside of those who participated or supported it. Time to regroup in smaller communities and take on the issues while recruiting at the same time.