How can you tell that the news of Dr. Kroll’s War on Hunting is starting to hurt the Walker campaign? They and their media allies — especially the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which endorsed Walker — are pulling out all the stops to deny it:
To be clear, neither Gov. Walker, the governor’s spokesman nor Kroll has ever said he intends to “privatize” deer hunting in Wisconsin.
And it’s not the direction Kroll and his fellow reviewers – Gary Alt and David Guynn – appear to be going
Oh, really? Then why did Walker’s DNR chief, Cathy Stepp, say she wants to sell off Wisconsin’s public lands?
As one commenter on the MJS article said:
Walker and Kroll say they aren’t going to privatize the deer hunt. How can we trust Walker? He surrounded himself with felons as County Executive. He lied to Congress about Diane Hendricks and he lied to Wisconsin about making Wisconsin a “Red State.” I have no idea what Scott Walker really believes but I do know that I don’t trust him.
And as another commenter said:
I take great exception with the headline. Your characterization of the opposition to the Kroll/Walker deer management as from the “left” is incorrect. I am far from being on the left,but find this a waste of money that could be better spent by a state that is “broke”. This politicized management scheme is opposed by smart deer hunters of all political stripes.
Wisconsin is turning into a “deer shooting” state as opposed to a deer hunting state. Few hunters actually hunt, but park their butts in a tree stand (often including the same amenities as home), throw out massive amounts of bait, and wait till the big guy walks by. They complain about not seeing any deer, but are too lazy to make an attempt to find any.
Here is my question to you and Kroll/Walker: The “hunters” complain that there are no deer, yet we have been shooting (gun and bow) 300,000 or more for years. How can this be possible?
When I started hunting in the early 1960′s we were shooting less than 100,000 a year, and pretty happy about what we had.
WDNR has been one of the leaders in deer management for years. Now a few greedy hunters have convinced the politicians that DNR doesn’t know anything about deer. I find that another disgusting result of the DNR secretary being appointed by the governor.
As a deer hunting website states:
What does this all mean? My initial reaction, which is one that I predicted when Kroll was named to the state’s deer trustee position, is that his team’s final recommendations — if implemented — will be heavily skewed toward the state’s larger landowners (500+ acres) and folks who own small parcels in areas comprised mostly of private land.
It is also my prediction that the final recommendations (again, if implemented) will do little, if anything, to improve deer herds and deer hunting on Wisconsin’s 5.7 million acres of public land.
Where does this leave the public-land hunter? “It will suck to be you,” said one deer manager who asked to remain anonymous out of fear for his job. “The resources and efforts will go toward improving the private land sector. This is all about turning deer hunting away from the Public Land Doctrine and more toward a European-style of management — like they have in Texas.”
All of this is likely why six Democratic members of the Wisconsin State Assembly’s Natural Resources Committee are trying to get Dr. Kroll and other Walker hires on the record — before the recall election — about any planned pay-to-play schemes for Wisconsin deer hunting. (On the record, and preferably under oath.)
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Morning PW & Pupses…
After all the genuine, grass-roots, on-the-ground organizing that has taken place over the past year, I’ll be more than somewhat disconcerted if Walker manages to hold onto his seat. Even if you’re a drooling imbecile, it couldn’t be more glaringly obvious that Walker is nothing more than a half-bright clerk who’s primary responsibility is to execute the agenda of his uber-wealthy oligarch masters. Sheesh…
It’s kind of funny that the thing that’s likely to end Walker’s reign is deer hunting. Screwing with hunting in Wisconsin would be like sending the Packers to Florida, or kicking Harley Davidson out of the state.
Good morning!
Here’s a Tom Barrett story:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/01/1096697/-My-Tom-Barrett-Story
The big problem is the immense amounts of money coming in on his side. But even if he survives his recall, he may no longer have a rubber-stamp legislature: Three Republican state senators are also up for recall Tuesday.
Oh, exactly. Yet it’s what has the best chance at peeling off folks who might otherwise be staunchly pro-Walker — hence the big efforts made by Republicans to deny it.
The linked deer hunting website has these quotes from Kroll.
I am a biologist and a hunter with ten years of TX experience, TX style deer management treats game like a commodity, sold to the highest bidder (via exclusive land leases). There is insane culling for certain antler characteristics, feeding and supplemental nutrients. Not management of natural populations in any way.
Privatized deer shooting coming to Wisconsin.
Some people will vote for anything that has an “R” behind it.
I really believe they are that simple.
Yeah. If the idea is to purge herds of CWD, this ain’t gonna do it. It will instead purge all but the very well-off from being able to hunt.
Old comments from Texas and completely out of context. There is not going to be any push to privatize deer hunting in Wisconsin. This is total BS.
In history, hunting your liege lord’s deer got you executed. Apparently, history does rhyme.
Oh, really? Then why is there a push by Walker’s own handpicked DNR chief Cathy Stepp to take away public lands?
Why did the WDNR guy say to deer hunters “It will suck to be you“?
Why are even conservative deer hunters upset over this?
Sort of like it is bullshit that Walker isn’t doing this because of the state’s finances, he is going after unions because they vote democratic, at least until we got him on tape saying pretty much that.
Lie to yourself all you want, but your Republican governor is not about representing the people including Republican voting people. He is about selling out the resources of your state to the highest bidder and that includes deer hunting and securing himself a well paid future. PERIOD.
Well that is at least until Wednesday, when his big goal will become staying out of prison…
Being from NE WI, you’d be amazed how many deer hunters signed petitions to recall Walker. The timing for the petitions was during the middle of gun-deer season. Hunters up here are extremely upset about the way he’s tried to get a huge pit mine approved, with complete disregard to the environmental (read that as hunting) impact. I just wish there was more time to target those voters with mailings reminding them of what he wants to do and the impact it will have on hunting.
That’s exactly why this is resonating so much with deer hunters. And it’s also where the NRA — which of course backs whatever Walker and his cronies do — is finding that their own education programs, their own spending of decades on reminding people that the ability to hunt is one of the great freedoms our ancestors found in America that they didn’t have in Europe, are coming back to bite them in the ass in this situation.
Your typical hardcore deer hunters grew up hearing the NRA and other allied groups tell them that the right to hunt freely — which they of course tied in with the right to own a gun — was one of the things that separated Free Americans from poor oppressed Brits and Euros. They grew up hearing phrases like “an armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject” many times. And now these hunters are seeing Scott Walker and crew working to turn them all into subjects by pricing them out of being able to hunt on private lands and taking away their public lands.
No wonder they’re pissed.
Well said thurbers!
Here you go:
To help do radio ads: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/30/1096044/-WI-Hunters-vs-Walker-Where-Your-Money-Goes
To help do Facebook ads: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/30/1096002/-WI-ACTION-Deer-in-the-Spotlights-
For ammo to use with friends and family:
http://savewideerhunting.info/
Sort of ironic. Daily Kos’s article about the last Walker/Barrett debate has the top ad being run by the NRA stating “Don’t Let Tom Barrett threaten your Freedom”.
Signing out, enjoy!
Adios, Nooners!
Wisconsin:
New York Times:
“EDGERTON, Wis. — When a 15-year-old comes into a bar looking for a cold beer, the bartender, is happy to serve it up — as long as a parent is there to give permission.”
“, it is perfectly legal in Wisconsin. Minors can drink alcohol in a bar or restaurant in Wisconsin if they are accompanied by a parent or legal guardian who gives consent. While there is no state law setting a minimum age, bartenders can use their discretion in deciding whom to serve.
When it comes to drinking, it seems, no state keeps pace with Wisconsin. This state, long famous for its breweries, has led the nation in binge drinking in every year since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began its surveys on the problem more than a decade ago. Binge drinking is defined as five drinks in a sitting for a man, four for a woman.
People in Wisconsin are more likely than anywhere else to drive drunk, according to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health. The state has among the highest incidence of drunken driving deaths in the United States.”
Yeah. Destroy unions, hire crooks, OK for a lot there it seems.
but, mess with deer hunting, goodbye.
With the recently failed mining legislation that was going to allow a private mining firm to extract $200B in iron ore assets and any and all the fresh water (natural resources) they wished with for a mere promise of a few low level local jobs for a total of $1B in return to the area, I’m wondering what your definition of privatization is? Never happen? And I’m supposed to take your word for it?
Call me NOT reassured.
Texas here–not a hunter, so I never paid a lot of attention to the hunting “norms”…maybe a vague sense that it was different from other places I’d lived.
But,yeah…as hunting season approaches, signs on trees, classified ads, talk among hunters is about “deer leases“. I guess it didn’t occur to me that that was the only way to hunt, that there isn’t hunting on public lands (do wee have public lands? I dunno. we do have state parks, but probably don’t hunt there.)
I have noticed that the outdoor/athletic stores that cater to hunters in season have ads full of deer “blinds,” feeding stations (they are often set up outside the store), “deer corn,” e.g. bait, etc. That did strike me as a bit odd…clearly it’s the mode of sit in the deer blind and wait for the big guy to come by, rather than go out and track/stalk/trail the deer, which did seem to be the way it was done in New England.
I had never made the connection to “privatized deer management.” Till now.
Once you think about it, it’s pretty bizarre.