The Vatican orthodoxy watchdog announced Wednesday a full-scale overhaul of the largest umbrella group for nuns in the United States, accusing the group of taking positions that undermine Roman Catholic teaching on the priesthood and homosexuality while promoting “certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith.”

Whats that Grateful Dead song about the Women being Smarter?

If Ratzi can bully the old nuns enough to make some quit, Mother Church won’t have to pay for their retirement and health care.

Cha-ching.

The Vatican orthodoxy watchdog announced Wednesday a full-scale overhaul of the largest umbrella group for nuns in the United States,

The Church can’t control the Nuns? The Pope is infallible on religious matters. Plus he is used to giving commands and being obeyed…or at least thats how it was in my lifetime.
Just what happened to the Pope? Plus let me say I am proud of these Nuns.

The wimmen gotta stop reading that radical Jesus troublemaker that taught them about loving their fellow beings and treating them like hoomins, instead of bringing shekels in for Daddy Church and the fancy prancers in the ‘hood.

I think the Rule is once a Priest or Nun always a Priest or Nun kind of like once married always married as far as the Church is concerned becoming a Priest or Nun is like marriage a sacroment. Even pedophile priests rarely seem to get fired so the Nuns should be safe.
Besides America and Germany account for much of the Church’s wealth in other countries the Church is lucky to break even given the shortage of Priests and Nuns who speak English the Church literally can’t afford to cut off their funds.
Also lots of Orders of Priests have sold assets to the Nuns at very suspiciously low prices we think to hide them from pedophile priest lawsuits.
The Church/Pope can’t claim it has control of those assets and can take them from the Nuns.
Otherwise the whole church and their records get sued not just individual Dioceses and orders of Priests.
The Pope opens himself up to RICO laws then.

OMG, “certain radical feminist themes” like, I imagine it is something like saying women should have equality with dudes, or even have some autonomy over their corporeal beings — y’know like men do. Yes, that is quite radical indeed.

It’s the right’s pet word, once anyone says or does something you don’t like, toss in the word radical and you’re good to go

that’s how fox stays in business

150 girls in Afghanistan are poisoned for the sin of education. And you are whining about Catholics? What is the matter with you people?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/17/us-afghanistan-women-idUSBRE83G0PZ20120417

Keep in mind that they are doing this amid record shortages of priests and nuns. Way to help recruitment there.

The Pope opens himself up to RICO laws then.

that would be if any justice dept had the balls, I can’t see it happening in america given the climate today

What is the matter with you people?

That dratted Attaturk didn’t run today’s topic by you for approval before posting?!? Damn his eyes!

Agreed but the Church takes a long view of history they are worried what will happen 50 years from now.

At the beginning of the Inquisition on Nuns, MoDo wrote:

The Vatican is trying to wall off the “brides of Christ,” Cask of Amontillado style.

In pace requiescat!

Good morning, pups. Prof. Krugman is off today, so Bobo can strut around alone. In “Testing the Teachers” he gurgles that if you’ve got a student at or applying to college, ask the administrators how much the students there learn, and how they know for sure.

Here he is.

The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got waffles with warm maple syrup. I see Attaturk’s favorite little tame troll is here, so I’ll take my leave, and find some fresh air. Have a good day.

You’re defending Zimmerman. What’s wrong with you?

150 girls in Afghanistan are poisoned for the sin of education. And you are whining about Catholics? What is the matter with you people?

If only Reagan had not armed the Taliban to fight the Russians. Who could have foresaw that a Saudi weapons supplier for the Taliban would attack America?
The idea here is to stop problems before they get to big. Reagan obviously fucked up. The Catholics are trying to purge their liberal elements again during an economic crisis.
The last time that happened they backed Right Wing politicians across Europe. Franco in Spain, Benito in Italy etc.
Its best to solve problems before they get to big to ignore.
As far as Afghanistan is concerned we fucked up so bad anything we do to help will only make things worse.

I see Attaturk’s favorite little tame lame troll is here, so I’ll take my leave, and find some fresh air. Have a good day.

Fixed it for ya!

“Testing the Teachers” he gurgles that if you’ve got a student at or applying to college, ask the administrators how much the students there learn, and how they know for sure.

Given that education has not improved since No Child left behind was passed you would think Bobo would stop calling for testing? I just read Mitt is blaming Obama for high school graduation rates being around 50% in 50 cities.
Mitt of course forgets that Obama hasn’t really touched education.

Bobo choosing tests for teachers gives me wonderful visions of the kids thinking up the tests. And cheating on the results to feed the teachers.

Good morning ,

you people

I wonder if Bobo cheated given his fact free writing:)

I’ll ask again, do you have some new information about the case? Or are you the Troll’s troll? kinda like troll jr.. Heh.

Donovan was engaged to a young physician, Douglas Cable, and felt a strong call to motherhood as well as her call to do mission work: “…I sit there and talk to God and say ‘Why are you doing this to me? Why can’t I just be your little suburban housewife?’ [1]

she decided to join the Diocesan Mission Project in El Salvador. She was accepted into and completed the lay-missionary training course at Maryknoll in New York State.
Donovan traveled to El Salvador in July 1977, where she worked as a lay missioner in La Libertad, along with Dorothy Kazel, an Ursuline nun. The pair worked in the parish of the Church of the Immaculate Conception in La Libertad, providing help to refugees of the Salvadoran Civil War and the poor. They provided shelter, food, transportation to medical care, and they buried the bodies of the dead left behind by the death squads.[2]

“The Peace Corps left today and my heart sank low. The danger is extreme and they were right to leave… Now I must assess my own position, because I am not up for suicide. Several times I have decided to leave El Salvador. I almost could, except for the children, the poor, bruised victims of this insanity. Who would care for them? Whose heart could be so staunch as to favor the reasonable thing in a sea of their tears and loneliness? Not mine, dear friend, not mine.”[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Donovan

Its only because of Nuns like this that I stay kind of Catholic. Does the Pope really want a fight with the only popular group in his organization?

Perhaps I missed it, but I don’t recall ever seeing a post regarding Islam’s treatment of women here. Apparently it’s OK to kill, maim, and brutalize women, if you’re the right religion. Yet the commentors here have the vapors if Catholics don’t pony up BC pills. You women need some balls.

New information? He was indicted. Expound, please. You’re going to keep talking about Zimmerman for us.

Moral superiority is a threat to the Fancy Dressers in the ‘Hood.

Yeah….Martin was stalking Zimmerman. And he was obviously much too clever in doing so as he was pretending to be on foot while Zimmerman was in a pick-up truck. Good thing for Martin that the police warned Zinnerman not to follow or leave his vehicle, prompting Zimmerman to do just that. Not only that but he was stalking an armed man with a bag of skittles! Why, those could present a choking hazard so obviously they’re a deadly weapon. All part of a brilliantly designed plan, executed to perfection with the complicit police. All an elaborate ruse to commit suicide and make poor Mr. Zimmerman look like a racist asshole.

I move we all bow to shooter’s superior mind and give him the reward he so hugely deserves.

Who needs new information a guy followed a kid despite police on the 911 call telling him not too. Then he shot the kid stand your ground goes not mean you get to chase people.
A bouncer at illegal raves who out weighed the kid by about 40 pounds and was taking classes to be a cop felt threatened by a 17 year old??? Please

Yeah, you missed all of them apparently because they didn’t suit your agenda or your opinion of us, (yet oddly, you still hang around here….)

As much fun as this is, I don’t have unlimited leisure time like shooter so I’m off to work. Laters!

You missed the posts on why we were going to war to protect Saudi Arabia’s freedom when they treat women so bad? You missed the posts where we pointed out that under Saddam women were safer and had more rights in fact not in enforced law?
Again we can only make things worse in Afghanistan 10 years and how many billions spent and still women are dying just what do you propose we do about it?
Spend all the SS and Medicare cash on another 10 years in Afghanistan? What makes you think that would be enough? maybe you have a better idea if so please tell us!
Otherwise yes the best thing we can do is leave.

The Nuns very well might call the Pope’s bluff they own schools, hospitals etc because the priests and dioceses have been hiding assets from pedophile priest lawsuits. The Pope however before he was Pope lead the group in the Vatican that hid the pedophile Priests these assets were often transferred for a song.
If the Nuns testify that they were involved hiding assets and were I suspect ordered to by the bishops and cardinals then the church is in the kind of legal trouble only the lawyers at the Lake could describe.

Interesting prospect of prosecution for defrauding the public to cover sexual abuse.

Someone really needs to close the screen door. The tse tse fly is buzzing around again

It’s just amazing to me how much some people here need racism.
* Zimmerman was 20 pounds heavier and four inches shorter. Pudgy.
* Zimmerman stopped chasing Martin, lost sight of him, and Martin had plenty of time to go home. But he decided to confront Zimmerman instead.
* Martin attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman shot him.
* Here’s a new photo of Zimmerman’s head
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5FKXdVnVx0

Yep and the Pope has great Jesuit Lawyers who will tell him if he makes a big move to gut the current Nun leadership or even to muzzle them it would just take one Nun with access to these records to leak them to the Press, the Feds and the victims of pedophile Priests to open a can of worms that very well might implicate the Pope since he lead the cover up of pedophile priests.
Implicate the Pope and Church assets of all sorts get seized. Right now damages are limited to the order of Priests or the dioceses of the pedophile priests not the assets of the whole church.
But if the Nuns were involved in the cover up and or the current Pope gave the order then church assets world wide can be seized.

the smell of blood excites zombies.

zombies and wannabe sociopaths.

Hey, Zimmerman242, what about Zimmerman?

BTW, if you want to mention presumption of innocence, that applies before a court of law. If Ted Nugent’s been indicted for statutory rape, I’m not letting my 11 year old daughter use the backstage pass he gave her, presumption of innocence or no.

Restore Our Failure troll FAIL. See ya tomorrow, Zimmerman242. Y’all come back now, hear?

‎”I think if Catholics had a little more Zen they’d be a lot less ridiculous than they are.” Thomas Merton (Catholic hierarchy? If the shoe fits………..)

hmmmm, lemme see here. If Attaturk does a post about the ongoing egregious behavior of the RC Church, that *means* that Attaturk & the rest of us damn liberals posting here are completely utterly totally & shamelessly in support of the Taliban murdering women in Afghanistan. Right??

Got it.

Sure, shooter: that’s me. Just sittin’ here cheering on the Taliban and other dirty Moozlinz for how they mis-treat the little wimminz.

We are just so BUSTED!!!!111!!!!!

You women need some balls.

Plinker, if you divided your balls by your IQ you’d get a Divide By Zero error.

The religious women of the Catholic Church here in America have been under investigation by the Vatican since right around the time that sisters announced their support of the Affordable Care Act, after the Bishop’s Conference opposed it. That’s the big problem…nuns didn’t agree with the bishops in this country and have been in deep trouble ever since. They sent a very conservative nun to inspect all the orders papers, wanting to know how much money the various orders were worth, how much they spent per sister taking care of their members, what they owned, etc. The sisters were less than cooperative and pretty much told Mother Malia to pound sand. This did not sit well with the bishops, who, again, complained to Rome.

In short, they want the Sister’s money, which has always been separate from the funds of the Catholic Church. The predominantly teaching orders don’t have much, but the nursing orders have lucrative agreements with hospital corporations. The bishops want that money. There are loads of bankrupt or nearly bankrupt dioceses in the United States, bankrupt because of lawsuits. So, they want the funds of the nursing orders before they last of the nuns pass away and do something foolish like give it to help the poor or something. Thus, you have this witch hunt. The sisters need the help of progressives around this country as they are being attacked by the hierarchy. Most of them are older ladies who have given their lives to teaching and nursing others, and this is how they are appreciated in the end.

The church never has. That’s not the way it works. The orders are independent and have to fend for themselves. Many teaching orders don’t have enough money to take care of their elderly nuns, so they live on minimum social security, medicare and medicaid. The church wants the money that the nursing orders have made in their health systems by merging with medical corportations. This is a money grab, nothing else. This “orthodoxy” bull is made up to cover the attempt to steal the monies of these orders, if the questions that they have asked the sisters are any indication. They are mostly financial in nature.

There’s nothing I enjoy more than a false equivalency that lets the hierarchy of the Catholic Church off the hook. If muslims kill women,and we’re not talking about that today, at this exact moment, then that MUST mean we all favor that. Yes, I see. I’m sorry I even brought that up.

Anyhow, the nuns are under attack because they care about the poor, tend to vote Democratic and gave Obama “cover” on the Affordable Care Act.

Thanks for the helpful info. I truly wouldn’t know, although I am aware – via having worked with a Nun associated with a former broke teaching order – that the Teaching orders are mostly broke. And those nuns are in pretty sorry shape in their senior years.

What you say makes a lot of sense from my completely uninformed perspective… attempting a money-grab from the rich(er) nursing orders would not surprise me.

No offense to anyone who is faithful to the RC Church, but I see them (and, quite frankly, most other “religious” cults/”churches”) as nothing mroe than venal money-grubbers. That said, as with almost any organization – religious or otherwise – there are usually some good helpful people doing the best to do good in the world.

Best of luck to the nuns. I hope that they can protect themselves and their assets from the ever-predatory male hierarchy in the RC “Church.”

Thank you. This is a terrible situation. The Church is very consrvative and the sisters tend to be progrssives, many of them. That is also another nail in the coffin.

Very well put, perris. Mind if I use this? I am on a quest to help these women.