- “Every so often in America there comes a tragedy that exposes the country’s most sensitive faultlines: a shooting rampage on a university campus, a convicted killer executed when common sense suggests the evidence against him is horribly flawed, the murder by pro-life extremists of a doctor who has carried out abortions. And now we have the death of Trayvon Martin.”
- “Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators marched to protest against police violence and demand the resignation of New York City police commissioner Ray Kelly on Saturday afternoon. Protesters marched from the movement’s original base of operations, Zuccotti Park, in lower Manhattan to Union Square, where occupiers and police have been facing off for the past week.”
- “Burmese opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi has suspended her campaign because of ill-health a week before she is due to stand for a seat in parliament. A spokesman said she was suffering from low blood pressure and had been vomiting, due to exhaustion, doctors say.”
- “There are still many questions surrounding the horrific massacres in Afghanistan: did Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, now formally accused of 17 murders, act alone? What could make someone snap so suddenly and completely? Is the US military to blame for not screening their soldiers properly? One thing, however, is becoming clear: the US war effort in Afghanistan is drawing to a painful and shameful close.”
- “Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has offered full support for envoy Kofi Annan‘s peace mission in Syria, saying it may be the last chance to avoid a ‘prolonged and bloody civil war’. The governent in Moscow urged Mr Annan to work with both the Syrian government and opposition to end the violence.”
- “Israel’s top court has rejected a deal between the government and Jewish settlers to delay evacuation of an illegal West Bank outpost until 2015. The Supreme Court had earlier ruled that the post must be demolished by the end of the month, because it was built on privately-owned Palestinian land.”
- “Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina has said the war on drugs has failed, and it is time to end the ‘taboo’ on discussing decriminalisation. He was addressing a Central American summit in the Guatemalan city of Antigua.”
TRNN:
- “Struggle in the Chinese Communist Party. Minqi Li: The division between the pro “free market” forces vs those who want some socialism grows more intense.”
- “US Blocking Cuba Attending Summit of Americas. Alex Main: Latin America moving away from US control with CELAC, an alternative to OAS.”
- “Palestinian on Hunger Strike ‘in Mortal Danger’. Hanaa Shalabi, a Palestinian prisoner under Administrative Detention without charge or trial enters 36th day of her hunger strike.”
- “Israel, the US Elections and the ‘Jewish Swing Vote’. Hawkish stands on Israel taken by US political leaders have less to do with the so-called ‘Jewish Vote’ than they have to do with a few ‘Zionist Hawks’ billionaires.”
The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off.
*waves* Hou, Popeye! Just sayin’ hi and hope you’re doin’ well.



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Thanks, SD, hi Popeye, and good wishes for spudtruckowner’s mom, had surgery this a.m.
Good to see that Israel’s court seems to be a law abiding body, more shame to our own coathanger crew.
From the first bullet:
Amen to that. And amen also to “post-partisan.” Would that he saw it that way.
Good morning SouthernDragon and Ruth.
I will also say good morning everyone because by the time I post this, more Diners will be showing up.
Checking in.
((spudtruckowners mom))
At least she’s under sedation, he’s spending the day in the waiting room, and be sure he sees the Diner, when he gets a chance.
Good morning, pupses, and thank you SD.
Spud, sending good thoughts to you and your mom.
Mornin’, pups
(((spudtruckowner’s mom)))
Good morning all. Interesting weekend at FDL.
(waving and sending warm healing thoughts to popeye)
on edit:
{{{spud’s mom}}}
Ya know, I was thinkin’ about Darth and his new heart. What if the donor was a dyed-in-the-wool leftist and the heart rejected the patient.
spudtruckowner, thinking of you today and best wishes with your Mom.
Being real dumb here, what happened to popeye?
I was browsing this morning and saw Teddy’s Late Night Lurkers De-cloak post.
Hi, y’all. Hope you will feel free to drop in and say hi. We’d love to meet you, and first coffee is on the house :)
ffein and 70yoh, tossin’ sticky buns your way!
He’s having a hard time with MS.
Good morning, everyone. Was here a few minutes ago but went off to read the article at the first link. I see a few more Dinerzens are here.
*waving to Popeye*
Best thoughts to Spudtruckowner’s mom. Hope all is going well.
If it’s a real, functional heart, I have high hopes it will Just Say No.
Did I miss something on the weekend?
I thought things were settling down here.
Thanks SD, I did not know.
(((Popeye)))
Wasn’t it great how many people de-cloaked?
Hoping they all come back. The first time is the hardest, I’m pretty sure.
Yes, it was really fun seeing the new fonts and learning a bit about our other pupses.
Got it open in another tab (one open for SD’s links, too) and am reading all of the comments. There were a few relative newbies on Peterr’s thread too, and I hope they come back. Always room for more folks at the Diner!!
And for those who didn’t see my very late comment at Caturday, please take time to watch (they’re online) UP! with Chris Hayes from the weekend, if you haven’t already done so. Two most excellent shows, well worth the time.
Good morning all.
Some good diaries and some grown up peeps. Teddy’s de-cloak post last night was cool. Peterr’s diary. Looked like a good Caturday and the PUAC was really nice. Although, I did notice a certain troll had his ass handed to him at TBogg’s place yesterday. He should know better than to mess with that crowd.
Hiya ffein, if you are here. Have a sticky bun and a cuppa and slide into a booth. Plenty of room.
Thanks for the booster, Up! has informed guests who discuss facts, a whole new world from what the other commentaries have turned into – after their beginnings as news.
Now that tbogg is front paged, I would not recommend the site anymore.
Being a troll is all about Not Knowing, though.
Gotcha.
There really are some strong personalities over at TBoggs place and anyone going there to look for trouble, well…I better shut up now.
I think having threads like PUAC and TBogg’s writings make for a good balance of attitudes and emotions.
Agreed. A big part of the attraction of FDL, for me, is the diversty.
Krugman today: The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) agenda is the corporate agenda. Exxon Mobil, UPS, and AT&T are involved in the organization, not to speak of Corrections Corporation of America, the rest of the penal-industrial complex, the NRA, those favoring private charter schools, and voter suppression advocates. “ALEC, even more than other movement-conservative organizations, is clearly playing a long game. Its legislative templates aren’t just about generating immediate benefits to the organization’s corporate sponsors; they’re about creating a political climate that will favor even more corporation-friendly legislation in the future.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html?hp
I started listening to the TRNN clip at the top of the page, about Israel and Iran, and couldn’t help but be reminded of this old ICH recording of the Bush admin fearmongering about Irak.
The Incredible Lying BushCo
Truly won’t hurt my feelings if you don’t go and listen. I’ll feel bad about giving you heartburn.
It depends on what the agenda is and what the goal is.
You know, like a candidate, to some, any publicity is good. Maybe?
TBogg’s place is like a couple of the other “partner” sites (Pam’s House Blend is another). They joined the FDL family to offer different perspectives, and each brought its own group of commenters. I remember when TBogg joined FDL, a LOT of his regulars were outraged, thought they would have to conform to some standards they weren’t accustomed to. I think for the most part TBogg runs his own shop and has his own standards.
Those sites are front-paged to give them viewership. I seldom read either unless they’re front-paged, so I miss some of the excellent posts on PHB and the snark on TBogg. Anyone who isn’t interested can simply scroll by.
My (too long) two cents.
G’morning SD & Pups!
I really loved Teddy’s delurker post, and hearing from some new folks. Sadly, my work schedule these days tends to put me in semi-lurkerdom. I’m up for the Diner, but often busy getting the g-unit off to school. Nonetheless, always delightful to catch up later on the news re various Pups via the comment thread.
Speaking of candidates, I really wish Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson would post or visit.
Speaking for me only, I’ve found — through trial and error — that the best course of action is to respect the blogger’s (or poster’s) viewpoint and style. That includes his or her sense of humor — or lack thereof.
I always read TBogg. His viewpoint (mostly) and style (always) suit me. However, I know where he and most of his regular commenters stand on Obama. I differ. But I don’t go there looking for trouble. What’s the point?
Morning SD & Pupses…
Hedges is up.
What do you think of having a Candidate’s Forum, once a week? Just a thought, as revbev say’s.
I can’t imagine Darth didn’t jump line. Are we still paying for his healthcare, do you think?
well put
And there may be links between the Democrats and ALEC (the organization is ruthless, and it is to its advantage to be bipartisan).
Only if Newt didn’t come. I can stomach a lot, but I don’t think I could listen/read him without dire consequences. Or Mittens, or Obama, come to that.
No, just joking. I think it is a great idea.
Very good point, econobuzz. I do get a kick out of TBogg (reminds me of TRex from the old days) and the posters at PHB are quite good and I learn from them. There are some commenters I simply don’t engage with any longer. No point getting into arguments and ruining an otherwise good thread.
Absorutely.
And in Animal Nuz…
Hopefully that won’t be all that long.
I miss havin’ TRex around.
Could happen.
A few months back, Kevin Gosztola said he would like to invite Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson here to be interviewed. I don’t know what’s come of that, if anything, but I thought it was an excellent idea. It could be held like a Book Salon, with advance notice, and moderated to the extent that nasty comments and poo flinging would not be tolerated. I don’t like censorship, but when a comment thread degenerates then none of us learn anything.
Me too. TexBetsy helped him start his own blog and a lot of us went along, then he booted her off, hard feelings ensued, and I’m not sure he’s blogging any more. He’s a FB friend but I never see any posts there.
I should add that his stuff is — from time to time — NSFW.
I have stopped sending Shakira’s ass posts to some colleagues.
LOL
I’m sure we are.
Regardless of how abhorrent I think Cheney is, that aside, I don’t understand letting a 71-year-old man get a heart that a younger person with a lot of life ahead of him/her should get. I’m sorry, that sounds like a moral judgment against another human, and I suppose I’d feel differently if it was me getting the heart (I’m 69), but it does seem unfortunate in so many ways.
As some trolling is paid for with the purpose of disruption, and some is purely sales spam, there has to be some moderation.
Democracy to be effective cannot be “polite.”
IMHO
Gonna go get a bite of brekkie and a shower — I have a luncheon to attend today — but I will be lurking. Have a great day.
TBogg was even caught up in the Full Metal Meta Mania of last week. I, myself enjoyed the Clown Soap Opera far too much.
I’m familiar with the concept of an uptick in trolling, especially during the run up to an election.
What do you think is the most affective way to curb the disruption?
See you later, msmolly.
Have a great day msmolly!
Watch it Frank. When I used the term soap opera, I got yelled at.
You know I’m just teasing. You’re not one of the thin skins.
One for you, SD:
Link
I’m more of the catch more flies with honey than vinegar types, but maybe we need both approaches.
Kafkaesque, no?
Everytime I start to calm down about our totalitarian state, I read Glenn, Marcy, or Chris and I despair for those who are ignorant of it arrival.
I read “It Can’t Happen Here” 45 years ago. It’s here.
OTOH,
Wonderful weekend at the Chez Clausen and at FDL as well.
The usual, really, ignore them. The fewer responses they get, the less they earn, if I am hearing correctly.
Regarding pay, I’m thinking of the ads here. Do you know how that works? My question is, does Jane get compensated for every ad, whether one is clicked on or not? Does the comment count have any influence on ad revenue? Or is it a one time revenue for space on the site?
Thanks.
Oh, cool. There is a Bill Black article, too. Or is that the one to which you are linking? Love Bill Black.
Do you find the format of naked capitalism a little awkward? I’m not sure what it is that I don’t like…..having the titles of the posts listed up top is good in many ways….it just feels awkward to me.
Nice article. Wolff speaks about there not only being a class struggle between the capitalists and the workers but struggles between the capitalists themselves.
LOL. “Shakira’s Ass” formerly known as TBogg.
The quoted paragraph is the last paragraph of the article econobuzz linked to. Bill Black’s article is another link.
All I do know is that the ads are chosen by the contractor, but if you like I will throw these questions at the admins.
Gotcha. My eyes swim when I look at that page.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Afghanistan: 1,915
Afghan, Iraki and Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2012: 10,540 and counting
Legend of a Mind
No war but class war
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
Namaste
Never. Give. Up.
Inevitable.
Thanks, I’d appreciate that. It might make a difference to me, in the way I comment here.
If the comment counts have any affect on revenue, it would put another spin on the really long threads that we have once in a while.
Know what I mean, jelly bean?
Yep. That and taxes.
Second that! Rocky = articulate, better than obummer.
I think he is for real, somebody tell me if he isn’t. Fool me once, shame on…er..can’t get fooled again.
See ya. Have a good morning.
The Lake gets a penny or two when people click on an ad. Many ads are keyed to the topic of the post or some in comments but the number of comments isn’t a factor I don’t think. If you notice at Caturday the ads are mostly animal related.
I’ll pass on. I wonder myself about clicking on the ads, don’t like to be on lists of any sort, but do like to generate revenue.
Same here. I always wonder what happens when I click, if I’ll suddenly be deluged with email adverts.
Got to go, you pupses, you. Spud, thinking of you and your mom. Let us know when you have an update?
Safe travels and safe home, pupses dears
ohmmmm
I see that you are heading out, but supposedly he was on the list for twenty months. I am sure matching for several medical factors also comes into play with actually being a recipient.
The real problem is that every citizen does not get, just about free, health care, like that person does.
msmolly @ 31 “ditto” *now it’s 2 short replies*
good morning, you all!
thanks, sd, for the tho’t provoking roundup as usual. is there much difference between dictator’s “disappearances” of their people and the “indefinite detentions w/o charge” by u.s. and israel? *political prisoners by any other name . . .*
Good morning, Pups. Am I to gather that TBogg is now a permanent front-pager? Is that new news?
I do know about some of the ads being tied to the content of a thread. I figured that one out on my own. Yes, but I was wondering if rates are based on “audience numbers”, like commercials on televisions.
Not unless you give them your email, I think. Clicked on one yesterday that wouldn’t give me the actual ad until they had my email, so I did not go on.
Thanks SD,
People were encouraged to be clicking on the BP ads heavy during the height of the Gulf fiasco to generate FDL revenue from BP.
Speaking of death panels, that a potential recipient can afford the required treatment is no doubt part of that list of considerations to receive a transplant.
Israel has Ariel Sharon and we have Dick Cheney. Something about the need to keep despicable people on life support forever.
If Sharon ever dies they’ll prolly embalm him like they did Lenin and put him on display for the next 50 or so years.
I suppose I should restrain myself from messing up your site by recommending the architectural virtues of mausoleums…
Good Morning Ruth, Pups, sorry for forgetting my manners,
That thought will brighten my day, but you are likely correct.
On a happier note I just finished removing fish from the bones from the left-overs, cubed some potatoes, chopped some onion, celery and started slow simmer chowder. About twenty degrees cooler outside and just the right aroma in the house.
Edit: chopped a lb of garlic scapes in there for a nice green contrast with the taters and cream/butter.
I heard that belch all the way down here last night.
We had chili with beans over pasta for dinner. What’d you hear from my house? :)
Hope I didn’t wake you. Guess who was giving me the eye this morning until I dropped a few select morsels.
Hope nobody nearby had lit one little candle in their window.
Hey demi,
Did I hear you’re hitting the big 60 soon? We’re gonna have a crazy diner that morning.*g*
Back for a minute. Yes, he was on the list, and I don’t think his money or anything else contributed to the decision to give him a transplant, although I read a couple of articles that mentioned his age and the reluctance of medical people to give a transplant to someone that old.
And he will have no picnic. He will be on strong anti-rejection drugs, will probably develop graft-vs-host disease and require cortisone and a ton of other meds which will all have their own side effects, and may never have much of a normal life.
I have a friend in his 30s who had leukemia and after chemo and radiation had a stem-cell transplant, and he is battling all of the above things. Except for the chemo and radiation after effects, I suspect Cheney will experience similar from his transplant, and probably many more I don’t know about. And he was in frail health to begin with.
So, he’s not looking at a picnic.
Actually, I’ve been using the little LED tea lights I found. No worries. :)
See my #31. He always was. Nothing new about it, although I see partner blogs front paged a bit more frequently of late, so perhaps an attempt to bring them additional readers.
sd @ 45
yep, T-Rex is soooo funny! his humor really struck a chord with me, too.
Friday. I’m celebrating all week, though. Doing things for me, too.
Things have settled down in this household and I’m finally feeling better. I’m calming down and my shoulders are not permanently up around my ears right now.
(Funny, I don’t feel old, but, it’s a large number, 60.)
Morning molly,
Agree with you and I hope I didn’t appear as being disparaging anyone with medical needs with my comments.
I think there are quite a few pups reaching that
millstonemilestone this year.When we advance as a civilization, power generation will be on the menu as well.
1952 was a big year, little bro.
Fortunately, I’ll have a week of experience to share with you before you get there.
I know that Dr. Dick and Loo Hoo are also our age.
Not at all, nonquixote.
That fish chowder sounds so yummy. I’ve never made it, although I have made clam chowder long ago.
Was the fish good as well?
As long as we have a few sides of serenity and compassion as well.
Time to stir the soup and it is spring break here. I have a couple of daughter-dad activities planned and need to motivate. Be good, be well, enjoy the day. nq
Edit: msmolly, Steaming great with some left-over rice and veggies. I had some for my breakfast today.
I thought that was the centerpiece.
We all “broadcast” on the Internets, when we click a link, or use an internet protocol. Visiting a link frequently gives your machine a “cookie”, a bit of ID code, that provides, information. It is some loss of privacy but that is the method of generating money and fame. When you want your Internet usage to be completely stealthy, you have to set your Ports to be silent. Shields Up.
Of course Microsoft has a BackDoor so that clicking a link may give you a ZBot.
Morning folks.
Was reading Trevor Paglen, Blank Spots on the Map: The Dark Geography of the Pentagon’s Secret World this weekend.
Staggering estimate of how engrain the black budget has become. Paglen estimates that there are 4 million US workers working on black budget projects, from experimental aircraft to special ops–contractor and government employee. There are a total of 1.8 million federal government employees altogether. That means that black budget work is 3% of the US workforce of some 150 million. To deal with this politically means overcoming a huge “it creates jobs” argument.
The other thing that is striking is how poor legislation and bad judicial decisions made during the Truman Administration (the CIA Act of 1949, for example) or United States v. Reynolds (1952). The Reynolds case formalized the notion of “state secrets” in a claim for compensation for the death of a RCA employee in an air crash in 1948 in Waycross GA. In the 1990s, Reynolds daughter, through a FOIA request, got the recently declassified accident report that showed negligence on the part of the Air Force; there was no secret information in the file. The Supreme Court would not reopen the case.
Fascinating and sometimes chilling book that started when a study of privatized prisons in the southwest uncovered that there were satellite images edited out of the USGS catalog of images. And the parallel discovery that declassified Soviet Cold War files have images of those edited out places.
Nice.
I’m taking off as well.
Smile at a stranger today.
econobuzz @ 59
that might explain fia visa card accts “sold” to bofa and then fia continuing the accounts . . .
I may be confused about the correct terminology. I know diary writers at my.FDL call even commenters here “front-pagers,” what I meant is about the distinction between showing up on the main FDL page as opposed to having to click on the link at the top of the page to get to TBogg or The Dissenter or Pam’s House Blend. I’ve had my issues with TBogg, but I don’t go to his thread to seek him out. It’s a different thing if I am to have his stuff in my face on the main thread every day; then, challenging his take on a given issue feels like not only a right but an obligation if I think he is putting out a bad message.
If you have an ad for Rick Perry on the front page, do you also feel it necessary to make any and all points you feel the entire attendance at FDL should know in relation to him? Or all and any points related to Recommended Diaries? I do not see any or all of this as your duty.
Good morning, everyone.
60 looks huge, until you get to the other side of it, demi.
About now, well, 90 once looked truly impressive, but I gotta say that doing more that a 100+ looks to be really moving …
I mean, from my “perspective”, considering how fast time is and has been speeding by of “late”, say the last twenty years or so … why “soon” enough I wreck on, it’s gonna be holding on … for sweet, dear life.
Friday you say, demi, you of loving and irresistible conviction, you creative philosopher, diamond brilliant in your compassionate encouragement of humanity?
;~DW
It’s not my duty to come to FDL at all, for that matter. Or yours, or anybody else’s. But once here, what is the purpose? On this thread and those like it, the purpose is friendly companionship interactions. On the other threads, particularly those that touch on hot political or media issues, of course I am here to engage in debate. It’s ironic to me that some here make their highest priority to never disagree with anybody about anything. That’s a personal choice, but why disapprove someone who is here for active engagement in the marketplace of ideas? My issues with TBogg have always and only been about one issue-his mindless and unquestioning support of Obama for re-election. If I cannot debate that point, especially in an election year, please tell me why not. And, if you are going to tell me he is just about snark, that is not true about this issue-he is DEADLY serious about it, and so are his readers. Also, why is it OK for him to use the foulest and most disrespectful language against those he disagrees with, but not OK for someone like me to do the same back at him, especially if he starts that on any given comment thread? It seems to me he and his supporters want to have it all ways, just like Rush Limbaugh’s-he is just an entertainer when that works best, but a serious voice when that works best. Critics get the opposite treatment. Not to get too serious in this venue, but these are serious and worthy inquiries I’m making. All of FDL knows we now have a debate about whether we are a club or a debating venue. It does not have to be a hostile conversation, but some clarity would be nice.
Morning folks. My moms surgery was canceled this am by the anesthesiologist as the oxygen level in her blood is too low. Hospital is keeping her for two to three days to try and correct that issue so thyroid surgery can take place. Thank you all for the well wishes for my mom. I will certainly pass them all on to her. XO
I suspect he wants to turn FDL into a forum where his views are the only allowable ones.
Fingers crossed, Spud! (((Spudsmom)))
When one gets an LVAD, that’s pretty much the last stop before either transplant or death; it’s supposed to be a temporary measure at best until a heart becomes available. Going from LVAD to new heart after twenty months is expected.
We all choose our own voice, and what we are serious about, and it isn’t anyone else’s but our own. Seeing it as obligatory does seems really gratuitous imposition on everyone else. If you want to argue, go right ahead, but getting into an argument with TBogg is about taking on a big job, and prejudging your own suffering from it is an apt comment about what the goal is. We’re okay with TBogg’s views, and yours, but we’re not refereeing and most especially not with bias.
Best always to your Mom, spuds, that few days to adjust her levels upward is good. Gives you some time and space too. Wish I could be there.
All of FDL (except for a set of measure zero) is a club with debating.
Looking back at 60, it’s not at all that big a deal. Staying together up until and after it, now that’s been a challenge.
You are some piece of work, lady. Shall I reproduce the thread where you called me a “liar” based solely on your INCORRECT assumption that I am a “Greenie” or a “Naderite”? I’d be happy to. I never supported or voted for either. And you did not even have the basic good manners or honesty to apologize after I told you of your error. But you thread-stalk me. Now you pop up and say something as overwhelmingly stupid as this comment? Do me a favor, and just pretend I am invisible to you.
We two have been around long enough to see this come and go periodically, most especially around elections. Keep up your good independent thinking, posting and commenting.
I honestly don’t know just what you are trying to say there. If TBogg promotes Obama on the front page, and castigates any who oppose Obama in scatological terms, which he does, routinely violating the Terms of Service re respect, why do you seem to disapprove if I or anybody else wants to challenge that? Don’t consider it an obligation, consider it part of my purpose in being here to debate political views.
Please keep us posted, spud. Best wishes to your mom.
Characterizing my comment as disapproving your making arguments is weighing an argument you obviously are not satisfied with. If you want to, go ahead, but coming to the Diner to tell us here that you are obligated to do so is underestimating the intelligence of every commenter here.
For gawd’s sake, please stop this. I fail to understand why you want to drag this stuff here. If you don’t like TBogg’s opinions, then stay away from his blog and quit flinging poo. It’s why I no longer engage with you (and I won’t again, I broke my rule this morning).
No. I am an expert on T-Stalking. That is not T-Stalking. PW made a valid comment.
But, you are deliberately violating the guidelines, Scarecrow suggested. You have made several over-the-top insults with a hateful tone.
“Flag” or not “Flag”? So hard to decide.
Maybe re-read your #112. Sure seems disapproving on its face.
Is that snark?
Dysfunction is thick in the air today. I’m out.
Letting any and all of us here know your arguments about TBogg or Rick Perry or the Recommended Diaries is against your having arguments? Try reading v.e.r.y. s.l.o.w.l.y
and bye
Man, I must have missed rc making over the top, insulting remarks. He is one of the most polite, respectful commenters here. Vigorous, respectful discussion is why I come to the Lake. Please don’t try to chase rc away. He is a most valuable addition to our discussion.
I was not going to participate in the meta drama around here, but there are many other commenters at whom the vitriol should be hurled.
Amen. Now off to the luncheon. Lovely day today, but much chillier than it has been. I guess it isn’t summer after all, darn.
Let’s just say you’ve missed it, YSD.
Realitychecker, you’ve got to just let it go man. Tbogg’s frequent shooting of Breitbart dipshits in a barrel is getting almost as lame his regular whacking off to loops of shakira’s ass, but there’s still a lot of intelligent analysis and quite a few of us here who appreciate your input.
Don’t the playground antics put you off. Some people are trying to work you up. They’re not worth it.
Perhaps so. I’ve been avoiding the meta threads. Still, rc is a valuable voice here and we’ve lost a number terrific commenters over the years because they have been attacked for vigorous discussion. Hugh, for one, was a huge loss.
No Drama OmAli here, but if you are referring to rc, I have to say that I totally disagree and think that is a baseless observation.
Yes, “pulling” our selves “together” while not tearing others apart, Ruth, is both the true magic and the real challenge of life. I suspect that we would both agree that such skill (and fortitude) is the essence of genuine “class”?
And working and sharing, together, with abiding mutual support, the essential, loving, task?
DW
Seconded.
Thirded.
Btw, popeye, wherever you are, I send you my very best hopes, thoughts, and appreciations … and look forward to seeing and experiencing your kind, loving, and encouraging presence on these threads, once again. For my life, certainly, is the poorer and more impoverished by your absence.
DW
Fourthed.
Seconded.
thirded.
If we do much more of this, we’re going to need a fifth, although it’s much too early to be drinking.
I certainly concur. Best wishes, popeye.
I’m all 4 that fifth:)
Eleventy-thirded.
There are a lot of strong, intelligent, diverse voices here. I think we can dial it down a bit and still get our points across.
Perhaps “fourthed” should be “quartered”, which would then be followed by “quinted”, “hexed”, and so … forth and so on… hotdog?
Please, everyone, pile on, I think we shall have need of such precise enumerations of support … and community agreement of what is deemed “proper” and so on and so forth … precisely/s
;~DW
Yes, but to compare TBogg to Rush Limbaugh makes me haz a Sad.
Just don’t let it make you sicks.
And, truly, that is all I want to say about it here. I’m going in back to put on some fresh coffee, and i’m letting the rest of it go.
I gotta say Wendy’s eleventy-third sets the bar.
Lol ((hotdog))
“Dial”? It appears there are so many buttons to be “pushed”, SD.
I do not know how I may agree any more strongly with your sentiment and suggestion, without seeming to go “overboard” … and if I did … would anyone throw out one of those round, white thingies?
;~DW
She does that, does wendy, hotdog.
;~DW
You’ve got the spirit of the think, hotdog, with relish, I’d say.
;~DW
Seconded. *g*
*groan!*
And you’ve put it right there – between two hot-dog puns.
yep, frank; tbogg’s post this am reminds me of the fun ones T-Rex would give us. i like having his spice available for whenever we’d enjoy it.
That sounds really stupid. In my defense, I was reeling from the compliment. DWB’s a master of the “think.”
Rubbish.
Absolute,
and
total.
Punaise would be hard pressed to catchup with you.
;~DW
Hope you can see we miss you, popeye!
What DW said at 164 :)
Speaking of hot dogs, I just met two wirehaired fox terriers at the Post Office. I’m in heaven.
I think we’re going condi mental.
Yes, we do.
That reminds me a little of my wife, she’s a foxy terror.
You really are on a roll this morning, er, afternoon.
Hi popeye! Feel better…
Well, condimentally, it is no longer just between the two of us hotdog.
As the most recent issue of “Condimental Retort”, on conditions at the Lakeside Diner suggests, that the willingness of many dinerzens to pepper their saltier comments, with spicy tidbits and colourful sprinklings of other exotica portends tasty invectives and chopped deliveries will be staples on the menu … and daily specials will be stewings of all sorts, and other soupper insights leading to riotous, free-for-all, weighty and full-filling diets and everyone shall, always, receive their just desserts.
I cannot wait to see what the next issue will bring or be or … springing ahead, summer the folks here will not fall for anything, winter take all.
The proper seasonings, of course, being taken into proper a count, seconded, thirded, or whatever have you, or we, brought fourth?
And now, I must hither meself yon …
Poof!!!
Been doing stuff, so been out for awhile. Yes, keeping it together mentally does indeed involve quite a bit of giving others room and respect. So when I see anyone leading attacks against upstanding folks like TBogg, I do make an objection and see it as sign of inability to hold your own against the one being attacked.
Just missed the relish tray, lettuce mustard up another round later.
http://my.firedoglake.com/realitychecker/2012/03/26/the-clucking-hen-gang-vs-the-fierce-debaters/
First, you need to break up your text into several paragraphs. A large block of text looks chaotic. These general statements, need specificity, to be considered authoritative. Since, you are telling everyone what to do, perhaps, you should include some citations to justify a Purity Purge.
Also, your conclude your “Post” by telling those who disagree with you, that they should not comment. Funny stuff.
Second Frank33. Long single paragraphs are hard to read,especially on a screen.
rc, I like your comments much of the time, but you are assuming too much.
There is no reason fdl can’t be “all of the above.” It is not, and need not be, one thing or one point of view, or one purpose.
I love TBogg, and I don’t care that he’s still mostly pro-Obama. It is possible to disagree. Since he upsets you so much, you should probably skip his posts. Including the front-page ones.
Now, I gotta go back to work. Getting up at 5:30 in the am and driving 110 miles round-trip is killing me already. Need a nap!
Hello to all dinerzens, and good-bye!
Please respond to my Diary, if you wish to do so, on that comment thread. I was deliberately trying to avoid having that conversation here in SD’s venue, it is not the appropriate place for the serious discussion I hoped to inspire, and I do not want to disrespect SD in any way. This thread is great for being with our friends and enjoying each other, but is not intended for the kind of free-swinging debate I am prepared to host on a dedicated thread. Thank you, and come have a party. ;-)
Man, your comprehension of RC’s post is seriously deficient. You should read it again. Where do you get he’s “telling everyone what to do?”
How about
I deny there is a substantive issue here. And I am living, I do believe. So I will not comment there. If SD gets annoyed with the “Clucking Hens” in this conversation, he will let us know that.
Enough. If rc’s got a diary up go hash it out over there, please.
I’m going to wash mugs.
“Never do anything that you wouldn’t want to explain to the paramedics” *Snicker*.
Finlay’s
(Stomps foot) you can’t make me, so there.
The cut off age, IIRC, is 65 for a heart. His money bought him this heart, I guess. I couldn’t agree with you more – waste of a wonderful heart. Should all ready be black by now.