For example, CNN in the broadcast report above begins with the official story, but then mentions speaking directly to a villager who reported more than one US soldier involved in the massacre. This is separate from their reporting on Taliban statements that more than one US soldier was involved and 50 people were killed, a report they say may be in line with Taliban “exaggerations.”
AFP reports that:
There were also contradictory claims about the death toll and confusion over whether there was more than one incident.
“What we know at this stage is that there have been casualties in two villages, Alokozai and Garrambai villages (in Panjwayi district),” Faysal told AFP. “A delegation has been sent to find out how this has happened as well as to determine the dead and injured.”
And an AFP reporter described seeing victims in two villages:
“In one house, I saw 10 people, including women and children killed and burned in one room. Another woman was lying dead at the entrance of the house,” the AFP reporter said from the scene. Among the dead were “at least two children, two or three years old”.
One other person died in a second house in Alkozai village while four more were killed in nearby Najeeban, he said.
In one house, an elderly woman screamed: “May God kill the only son of Karzai, so he feels what we feel.”
Reuters as well continues to report:
Haji Samad said 11 of his relatives were killed in one house, including his children. Pictures showed blood-splattered walls where the children were killed. “They (Americans) poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them,” a weeping Samad told Reuters at the scene.
“I saw that all 11 of my relatives were killed, including my children and grandchildren,” said Samad, who had left the home a day earlier.
Neighbors said they awoke to crackling gunfire from American soldiers, whom they described as laughing and drunk.
“They were all drunk and shooting all over the place,” said neighbor Agha Lala, who visited one of the homes where the incident took place. “Their bodies were riddled with bullets.”
Reuters video from the scene – viewable here – appears to show the charred floor of a village house where the victims were burned as reported by the Reuters report above.
The New York Times reports that the “rogue” soldier is a staff sargent from the troubled Lewis-McChord Base (home to the Stryker “kill team” convicted of murders in a similar location in 2010) and goes on to report:
At least five other Afghans were wounded in the attacks, officials said, some of them seriously, indicating the death toll could rise. NATO said several casualties were being treated at a military hospital.
One of the survivors from the attack, Abdul Hadi, 40, said he was at home when a soldier broke down the door.
“My father went out to find out what was happening, and he was killed,” he said. “I was trying to go out and find out about the shooting but someone told me not to move, and I was covered by the women in my family in my room, so that is why I survived.”
Mr. Hadi said there was more than one soldier involved in the attack, and at least five other villagers described seeing a number of soldiers, and also a helicopter and flares at the scene. But that claim was unconfirmed — other Afghan residents described seeing only one shooter — and it was unclear whether or not extra troops had been sent out to the village after the attack to catch the suspect.
US spokesmen’s quick claim otherwise, blaming the massacre on a single rogue soldier who is already in custody, is reminiscent of the announcements made after most civilian casualty incidents in which the US press office claims nothing happened until forced by photos or videos to admit yet another “tragic and shocking” incident, as Obama called it:
I am deeply saddened by the reported killing and wounding of Afghan civilians. I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives, and to the people of Afghanistan, who have endured too much violence and suffering. This incident is tragic and shocking, and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan.
It must be very hard for the Afghan people to accept Obama’s estimation of the “character of our military” and our “respect,” given our history of civilian murders, Koran burnings and body desecrations. Just in the past few weeks, ISAF forces have killed eight children in one air raid, wounded nine schoolgirls in another, and there are reports of four more also killed this weekend.
Our lack of concern is not unnoticed by Afghan children, as this 13 year old, Zekerullah Jan, tells us in an interview with Afghan Youth Peace Volunteers:Is your life as valuable as the life of Obamas daughter?
- Her life is very good because shes the child of a minister or king
Arent you as valuable as Obamas daughter?
- In terms of humanity, both of us are human beings



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While all of the news coverage focuses on potential issues for the US as a result, thought we might pause to think about the actual victims.
Vietnamistan anyone? Another fucked up war, fucking up civilians.
On to Iran. Huzzah for the militarized state!
As I posted on the Sam Seder diary, on Saturday night the local tv station showed “The Quiet American”. I hadn’t seen it before, and it stayed with me how that scene of carnage in Saigon with children and families had been a telling moment for two men, supposedly friends. It brought home to me what I had just heard from Professor Noam Chomsky on ‘Alternative Radio’ – just a passing remark that Kennedy had been responsible for Vietnam. I didn’t believe it before; I believed it after seeing that film.
If we learn these things, and we do, we must act. We must change this country.
Siun,
Thanks for your coverage of this issue and many others.
I have greatly missed your posts.
Thank you.
ps. just when did we forget our humanity?
Siun…! Aloha, Sweetie…! I hope you’re doing well…! *g*
This is not a shooting incident – this is a war crime. Obama may be “saddened and shocked” but those people are dead. And our “exceptional” character is right out there for everyone to see – ugly, isn’t it?
Definitely getting better CT – thanks! Hope you are well too!
And JClausen, thank you.
I’ve been all over the web, saying that there’s no way it’s a ‘rogue’ soldier…! Why are they even pushing that false meme…? 8-(
I’m mighty suspicious too CT. Just the fact that they’ve put out this story so quickly when then normally first deny makes me wary … and the idea this one guy could go to two different villages and do this, then burn the bodies … hmmmm. There are reports of mil activity in the area two hours before – including helicopters and gunfire but no explanation.
At minimum, I’m thinking some of his buddies decided to try to hide the evidence by burning the bodies?
Siun, I’m sorry that I forgot to say that it’s such a pleasure when you are here. I’m so angry about this that I sort of forgot my manners. Hope you are well.
Shhh … I am furious about it as well.
It’s not a ‘drunken gang’, per se…! Having served as a straight-leg Squad Leader, it was probably an over-zealous Squad Leader, leading his liquored-up Squad on a murderous ‘hunting spree’…! I’d even hazard to guess that it was spurred on by a recent loss of a squad member…! 8-(
Given the “actual” history of the U.S. a more appropriate question might be did the U.S. collectively ever have “humanity?”
Even though it apparently does not involve as many victims, I feel exactly the same as when the My Lai Massacre surfaced. I wonder if the same number of college and public school teachers will have the balls to bring it out in the class room. There’s a lot to be said for bringing back the draft so the citizenry doesn’t consent to sweep it under the rug.
There are reports of mil activity in the area two hours before – including helicopters and gunfire but no explanation.
But, all the reports have been saying that no mil activity was planned at all that nite and in that sector, Siun…!
Siun, it’s always informative to read your posts; thank you. You are missed here. The killing of innocents is saddening. The US needs to get the hell out of there. NOW.
It’s bad enough just to have troops there when they are scared, always on alert and hostile to the natives. But throw in some liquor and you have a situation that gets quickly out of hand. These troops will remember this their entire lives – the sights and the sounds. They will never be whole again.
Thank you for returning, Siun. I was thinking today how much I missed your posts on a Sunday evening.
Also, thanks for the link to that article about the troubles at Joint Base Lewis-McChord. Many veterans groups refer to the base as “the most troubled base in the military.” News agencies in the Tacoma area are all over the story since it involves one of their own. Apparently the soldier in custody is 38 yrs. old, married with two children. It’s his first tour in Afghanistan, reports are sketchy about how many tours he did in Iraq. It’s taking a while for news to trickle out of that area and there are many questions concerning the massacre: was more than one shooter involved? why was the military so slow to respond to the scene since the base was 500 yards from some of the shooting?
BTW, I’d wager the sergeant in custody will be given better treatment than Bradley Manning. (I know that’s cynical.)
The draft will never return because the 1%ers recognize that a truly citizens army is a potential source of resistance to the ambitions of empire.
I’m not even sure what to say… Another group of civilians brutally slaughtered to keep some members of the 1 percent rich and happy. Abominable.
Siun……..well, what can a person say? This is sickening, saddening, horrifying, disgusting. The “lone” perp will get a slap on the hand. And our damned fools make it worse by telling stupid stories rather than just grabbing the perps and immediately submitting them to a Court Martial.
War crime, indeed ! Killing small children in their homes? Look for the military to start making excuses very quickly. I fully expect that they will pay the extended families some small stipend for their troubles.
Monstrous acts like this should highlight the essential truth that war is not the answer…..to any question.
If there is to be any justice for the innocents those responsible can remember their participation in this war crime for the rest of their lives in a military prison.
I’ll poke around and find that report again CT … there was also a mention of two recent US casualties in the area … will dig that out as well. Certainly suggests your thinking is on the money.
I’m sure he won’t see the Bradley Manning treatment…! What truly disgusts me these days is that one way or another our Boyz are killing…! 8-(
US Army Suicides Are Up 80% Since The Start Of The Iraq War…
Adding info:
NYT new version of article above includes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/world/asia/afghanistan-civilians-killed-american-soldier-held.html
Same NYT article – recent US casualties in region:
No mention if same unit, etc.
Will Obama call the victims of his murderous surge like he called Sandra Fluke after she was called a bad name?
Over which atrocity will the wailing be loudest?
Against which atrocity will the boycotts be directed?
I don’t believe for one minute that a 38 year old with 2 children of his own and on his first tour of Afghanistan did this brutal murdering siege on his own. Do.Not.Believe. This will drag on for years….and no one will be held accountable….and we’ll probably still be in Afghanistan. ‘Scuse me while I go be sick.
It is almost an immutable natural law that the Pentagon always lies, so I lean towards believing the villagers who say that there were multiple soldiers involved. That the villagers were not only shot but burned adds credibility to the accounts that multiple soldiers caused the massacre.
Siun, I wish I were seeing your byline attached to other, more pleasant, more uplifting realities.
I thank you, nonetheless, for putting this on the front page, where it, most assuredly belongs … too many front pages in the history of American atrocities …
Wendy Davis posted a most important diary on this topic, earlier today, and those of us commenting were joined by Mohammed Ibn Laith:
http://my.firedoglake.com/wendydavis/2012/03/11/%E2%80%98rogue%E2%80%99-us-soldier-kills-16-wounds-5-in-kandahar/#comment-271721
DW
They will never be whole again.
Amen, Twain, Amen…! 8-(
Got it CT:
BBC report: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17334643
Sidebar:
Sunday timeline
* 00:00 Aircraft heard by eyewitness over villages
* 01:00-01:30 Helicopters heard, followed by gunfire
* 02:00 Witness says she hears shooting in one of the villages
* 03:00 Time at which soldier is said by Afghan officials to have left US base
And:
(my bold)
Our “exceptional character?” A nation that tortures and now this?
DW – thanks! I saw that diary and Mohammed’s comments later today – sorry I missed him.
I think we can rely on the military to make up some absurd story out of whole cloth about how the shooter was some sort of secret terrorist or something. Remember Clayton Hartwig? The Iowa incident occurred while I was in the navy and though I wasn’t in the battleship community, nobody believed that ridiculous fiction that the navy used to cover it up. It’s what they do.
It goes without saying that Obama needs to speed up our withdrawal from Afghanistan. He says the draw down will be completed by 2014. We, and especially the Afghans, need to see the withdrawal well before 2014. It could be completed by the end of this year if he so ordered it. The longer we stay the worse it will become.
Obama has to withdraw the troops because there’s a fight brewing in Iran.
Most of the victims don’t have phones. But nice of you to try and minimize the right-wing’s attacks on Ms. Fluke; I’m sure the right-wingers appreciate your efforts. (Especially as most of them favor the killing of Afghanistan’s peoples via this war.)
I hope some good comes of this. Such as our evil Afgh project falling utterly apart, and us driven out.
The one good thing about this incident is that it may well be what gets the US out of Afghanistan.
GMTA, Sharkbabe.
Of course, neither will their victims be.
I think Obama’s subtly pushing back against Netanyahu et al — hence 60 Minutes’ having the former Mossad chief on tonight to state that attacking Iran was “the stupidest idea I have ever heard”:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57394904/the-spymaster-meir-dagan-on-irans-threat/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57393715/ex-mossad-chief-iran-rational-dont-attack-now/
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7401690n&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CBSNewsPCAnswer+%28PC+Answer%3A+CBSNews.com%29
Obama does not want to attack Iran — he doesn’t even want to have people talking about attacking Iran, as it’s pumping up the price of oil and threatening to throttle our economy yet again just as it’s starting to get better. Yet since he like most every other US politician doesn’t dare lip off to AIPAC, he has to use surrogates to do the work of telling AIPAC and Bibi to pound salt.
Beneath that thin veneer of what you think is a “rational” persona lies that of a barbarian.
Hope you’re right. Signs from Iran also indicate that there are elements at the highest level within Iran that may want to defuse the situation.
Hmmm… The helicopter activity sounds routine, and I’d suspect the sector was, in fact, not scheduled for any ‘night raids’, hence the opportunity for the Squad to get liquored up…! As I’ve said over at MoA and SST, that Sqd Leader(and Squad) probably wanted to show his/their ‘leadership prowess’ to the Seals and/or Green Beret they’d been operating beside…!
Of course, they learned that during Vietnam. And to take it further, less and less ground troops and more drones and special operations or whatever they call it – (search & kill teams). Pretty soon, the citizens of this country will be completely shielded from any violence and killing done in their name. And then this corrupt & terrorist USG can act with impunity.
The thought of babies (2 & 3 yrs old) being riddled with bullets and then burned is so horrific that I don’t have the words to express my outrage and sadness.
I hope this soldier or soldiers rot in hell. I hope obama rots in hell.
Thanks for kind words pastfedup and billyc – I am trying to post more frequently. My health has been shakey but is improving …
Sadly our country’s behavior is not improving at all.
Bless ya, Siun…! Ya have my fervent healing vibes headed your way, as always…! *g*
Why can’t someone ask, Mr. President, what are we doing in Afghanistan?
I would love to hear Obama’s response to such a simple question.
I do take some solace, PW, that his POTUS
wimpynessHighness is, in fact, using some Surrogates to deliver that message…!Small comfort, tho…! ‘F*cking R*tards’…! *sigh*
LtGen Adrian J. Bradshaw, Deputy Commander, ISAF, March 11, 2012
Can’t explain it? General Bradshaw should talk to his boss’s boss, General Mattis.
General James “Mad Dog” Mattis, currently Commander, CentCom, Feb 3, 2005
If Obama didn’t want Iran attacked, he wouldn’t have armed Israel with the weapons to do it – Obama gave Israel super-bunker busters for bombing Iran.
Actually Obama talked broadly about this in his Nobel War Prize speech, which he gave nine days after increasing troops in Afghanistan by 30K.
Quick, get Colin Powell to write the coverup report.
I don’t have any idea what went on. I wouldn’t trust a single thing that USG is putting out. And forget the corp media for getting to the truth.
The whole incident, though, whatever actually happened, is endemic to the kind of war, how U.S. military are trained, the attitude that all Afghanis are towelheads.
Disgusting is to put it mildly.
Was that the part about breaking some eggs to make an omelette?
That sounds like the plan. I can’t imagine that there’s anyone left at top ranks in U.S. military who isn’t a Mattis.
There is NO WAY a U.S. Army staff sergeant all alone with a loaded rifle could leave a fortified base in Indian territory, walk a mile, shoot up two villages, pile up the victims, spread “chemicals” on them, burn them, and then walk back to his base and “turn himself in.”
for one thing, there is this memory:
July 2, 2009
KABUL, Afghanistan — A U.S. soldier who inexplicably walked off his barren military base earlier this week was captured by Taliban militants hours later, U.S. military officials said Thursday, in what is believed to be the first time insurgents here have captured a U.S. serviceman in the eight-year war.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/07/02/71184/soldier-captured-in-afghanistan.html
That is exactly my same thoughts too, don…! 8-(
Do you have any scenarios that make sense to you? That’s the part I have trouble with. WTF was really going on? Complete & utter frustration at Afghanis for not appreciating all the effort the U.S. is putting into their plight? I cannot put myself into the shoes of anyone who would commit such an atrocity. Plenty of those in every war, but this one seems so deliberate.
eCAHN!!
(‘cuz I never did the eric thing, nor cared about it)
This one is a puzzler. For sure it didn’t happen the way they’re claiming it did.
My best guess: I suspect the killer team thing again from the Ft Lewis Strykers, executions in a payback for the two field-grades dispatched in Kabul, with an unpopular staff sergeant selected to take the fall (‘cuz Lynndie England has left the service).
donbacon,
That makes more sense than most of what has been reported. Though you gotta ‘splain the Lynndie England connection. Ya mean only bc she’s not around to take the fall?
Yes, Obama promised a Bushian ‘surge’ in Afghanistan, the ‘good war,’ and he delivered. I don’t know why. I’d still like to ask him, after all this time, what the point is and why is the U.S. still in Afghanistan.
Lynndie England’s the patsy that took the main blame for Abu Ghraib, but she’s been mentally destroyed by people that support the troops and is unavailable for the current atrocities.
I know some of the answers to why U.S. is still in Afghanistan.
For example, bc it supports O’s MIC campaign contributors.
For example, bc as long as U.S. military is there, they haven’t “lost” the war.
For example, bc the bigger the U.S. military is, the more promotions & medals they get.
I could go on, but you get the picture. All about petty bureaucratic bs.
From O’s POV, you gotta look at it from domestic political advantage. The first & second ‘for examples’ would be germane to that.
That’s what I thought you were getting at. Whatever happened to her baby?
George W. Bush absolutely authorized torture and degradation of prisoners; he’s admitted as much. And yet, he pays no price for war crimes. Is this a great country, or what?
Afghanistan is a keystone (to mix a metaphor) of the New Silk Road Strategy which calls for the U.S. to overwhelm the traditional Russian influence in Central Asia, which includes Afghanistan and the other -stans. Lots of economic opportunities and natural resources, particularly petroleum. Good luck on that.
In the interim there is the huge ($20bn+ annually) drug supply from Afghanistan that funnels through Manas air base in Kyrgyzstan to Europe and other parts. The Taliban shut the opium trade down completely in south Afghanistan but now it is thriving again. Memories of Laos. Think CIA.
Then there’s the old reliable ‘eliminating safe havens for al-Qaeda’ – hahahahaha.
#69 not a response to sfmikey #68.
I think that was the old plan. Now I think there’s no plan at all, just like the poster of the cat hanging onto the bar for dear life.
The VN analogy is presented in gory detail in Decent Interval by Frank Snepp. He was something like 3rd rank CIA agent in Saigon & kept warning that it was lost and U.S. should evacuate while it still had the chance. Nadda. Every frigging excuse in the book. No one would take responsibility for such an action.
So helos on top of U.S. embassy. Book rips your heat out bc U.S. left behind every Vietnamese who ever helped.
There is a plan, and it involves economics, you’ll be happy to know. (excerpts of remarks)
Date is over a year ago. Complete pipe dream.
Sounds like a Stratfor (now shorthand for shallow & useless) memo.
On edit: Put differently, just bc someone types it in a memo doesn’t make it so. A couple of months ago on book salon (We Meant Well) I asked the author how they got evaluated by State Dept. He was in forward operating base. His A: by the amount of money we spent. He didn’t add by the prettiness of the memos he wrote or his PP slides, but guess that had a lot to do with it.
Correct on the helo but it wasn’t the embassy.
last helo from saigon
The roof of 22 Gia Long Street, not the U.S. Embassy
April 29, 1975
My bad. Interesting though, I never knew that.
March 9, 2012
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
U.S. ‘Strong Engagement’ To Continue In Central Asia After Afghan Withdrawal
RFE/RL Washington correspondent Richard Solash spoke to Robert Blake, the U.S. assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asian affairs, about this and other issues, ranging from human rights in the region to Russian plans for a “Eurasian Union.”
Blake: There’s a misimpression in many parts of the region that, just because most of the American troops in Afghanistan will be pulling out as a result of the transition at the end of 2014, that somehow the United States is going to abandon Afghanistan. Nothing could be further from the truth. The United States is going to have a long-term partnership with Afghanistan, particularly on the economic side.
Blake: Well, first of all, let me express our appreciation to the government of Kyrgyzstan for their continued hosting of the Manas transit center. This remains a very important part of the overall effort in Afghanistan because it’s a vital logistics hub. It’s the center through which all of our troops pass before they go into Afghanistan. So we very much appreciate the hosting of this by the government of Kyrgyzstan.
Blake: We think that, on the contrary, what is needed is to encourage economic integration and regional economic integration in particular, and that therefore, what’s needed is to open up the trade routes, to open up greater opportunities for trade, both within Central Asia but also between Central Asia and all of its regional partners, particularly its partners to the South — to India, which is going to be the largest market for all of these countries over the next 50 years. Many of the economies of the region and the leaders of the region see that this is going to be a real pole of opportunity, and therefore it’s not in any of their interests to see any of these regional trade opportunities get locked in a Eurasian Union. On the contrary, we need to keep these trade routes open and these trade opportunities open. That’s certainly the message that we’re conveying to our friends in Russia and to everybody else in the region.
The whole helo photo story.
Thank you, Siun.
Thanks for the info & links, donbacon.
My sleep is completely fu’d owing to cold meds that put you to sleep at night and give you a hangover during the day, meaning you can’t stay awake.
So going to try to catch some sleep during normal sleeping hours.
Be well.
enjoyed it, eCAHN
don’t let the bedbugs bite
Does this mean we’re not winning their hearts and minds?
im not in the country now….too sickenened and saddened to eat breakfast.How much more can a loving caring human being such as myself take?How can we stop them ? tax revolt?they must be stopped asap!i was thinking a Lady Godiva publicity stunt….nudeladies and horsies for peace?How do we stop them?????????????
How E!,couldnt sleep after we talked last nite….too sickened by my countrymen.i now declare myself a citizen of the world,and deny Merkan identity.
The Assassinator in Chief runs the show, his kills good this kill bad ?
War is evil. Obama told us long ago that he was an advocate for war, so he is evil. “I don’t oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. . .I will only send our troops into harm’s way when necessary . . .The Afghanistan war is necessary.”
When one is among the war-dead it doesn’t matter if the war was smart or dumb, necessary or not, according to some politician’s rating system. The United States wasn’t constituted to give a politician this much power in the first place. The Supreme Court has allowed it to go on, so it does.
The Decider is currently pondering a new war against Iran, a powerful country with a grand history and 78 million people. It might be necessary, so Barry is thinking it over.