- “Billions of dollars locked inside Lehman Brothers‘ European arm can be returned to clients in the US and around the world, following a ruling by the UK Supreme Court. It declared they had rights to reclaim the money, even though Lehman Europe had not kept it separate from the rest of the bankrupt firm’s operations. Hedge funds feared they would have to take their place along with other unsecured creditors, recovering substantially less of their money, but yesterday’s ruling puts them at the head of the queue.”
- “President Obama would permanently reduce corporate tax rates, but claims he’ll get even more taxes from companies by closing loopholes. Even if you believe this fantasy, there’s nothing in it for the 99 percent, since “the president has already stated that the additional revenue will go right back into corporate pockets, in the form of new or existing tax breaks.” Have a happy billion dollar election year.”
- TRNN: “United States vs. Manning & Assange. Michael Ratner: Army is trying to pressure Manning into implicating Julian Assange so that he too can be charged and extradited to US.”
- “A former US mine chief who lied to investigators about one of the worst mining tragedies in decades has been sentenced to three years in prison. Hughie Elbert Stover was in charge of the Upper Big Branch mine, where 29 men died after an explosion in April 2010.” Asshole.
- “Officials in Cairo say a travel ban on seven Americans employed by pro-democracy US groups has been lifted. The decision appears to signal the end of the worst crisis in relations between Egypt and the US for 30 years.” Nope, can’t have these neoliberal ideologues interfered with while they’re trying to set up another US-ass-kissing regime.
- “Javier Espinosa, the El Mundo correspondent who has been trapped in a besieged suburb of the Syrian city of Homs, has escaped to safety. Espinosa, who has written a series of dramatic dispatches from Homs – some published in the Guardian – was smuggled out afternoon after making the perilous journey out of the city.”
- Robert Fisk: “The regime calls it ‘cleaning’, but the dirty truth is plain to see”
- “Burma’s opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi expressed cautious optimism about the reforms implemented by the military-backed government, saying it was too early to call them irreversible, according to Reuters.”
- “Blessed with fertile soil and deep veins of unearthed gold, this verdant expanse of Burma is, by most measures, well suited for foreign investment. There is a drawback: it’s riven by the world’s longest-running civil war, a conflict between Burmese troops and the Karen, a largely Christian tribe with US ties.”
- “Physicists have taken a step forward in their efforts to understand why the Universe is dominated by matter, and not its shadowy opposite antimatter. A US experiment has confirmed previous findings that hinted at new phenomena outside our understanding of physics. The results show that certain matter particles decay differently from their antimatter counterparts.”
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The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off.



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Mornin’, pups
Good Morning.
Jane tweeted last night.
Katie is out of doggie ICU and home to recover.
SD,
How is Maste today?
Awwwwriiiiiiight!!!
Maste should be coming home today. Have to call later this morning.
For all you geeks out there:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/29/raspberry-pi_n_1310441.html
Good morning, SD.
The Empire Strikes
BackFirst: Arctic Ocean drilling: Shell launches preemptive legal strikeGreat. I hope they have him all straightened out and he will be comfortable.
Good morning, SD and all you other freedom lovers. Welcome to Beloved Pet Recovery Day. ((All the wonderful animals))
Sheesh!
War terminology has creeped into the legal world now. What’s next?
At least he won’t have to worry about me givin’ him enemas.
Thanks SD, this is too cutesie; Burma ‘well suited for foreign investment’-
Just what they want to hear, we’re ready to turn them into a cash cow.
Glad Maste is coming home.
Good morning, pupses and thank you,SD.
Hej, rc. Speaking of beloved pets, how is Riley this morning? Sweet as usual?
*pushes coffee away and makes slight moue at same time*. :)
GOOD GOBS!
So glad that is not on the schedule. Mine would have to be completely knocked out or it would never happen. LOL!
democracynow: Hillary is scolding on DPRK giving up nukes; modest first step. What a jerk.
LOL!
I was trying to appear genteel, you just let it all out! Lolol!
James Murdoch is moving to U.S. to oversee U.S. TV holdings. Oh joy.
Sorry, that ‘spuds’ is Ruth this a.m. Here in NW PA, and it’s sap time (maple syrup time).
Interesting, from Krugman. Be sure to read the Brad DeLong piece he links to.
What, you’re not into water sports?
Ha!
Well, when you are talking enemas you might as well tell it as it is. No tip toeing around that one. Everybody has to do that at least twice in their lifetimes.
Chicago closes schools & fires teachers to help students. Righto. No schools and no teachers is really prostudent.
Oh yeah.
Speaking of sport, I have to leave this afternoon for a few days of driving Miss Daisy. I hope to be back on Saturday, but will probably need to partake of substance abuse before I get online.
Hmmm…dunno what they’re going to get from that. I think a judge would likely just toss that without prejudice on the grounds it’s premature. Unless Shell manages to get a friendly judge.
If I’m greenpeace, this doesn’t change my legal strategy at all.
Boxturtle (I must be missing something)
Bloomberg solicited media to FOIA teacher records, so that it could publicize them despite agreement with teachers that they would be confidential.
hey there
frying pan meet fire….
the powerful are hard to disenpower,entrenched they are
More charter schools! More charter schools! USA! USA!
Fuck you, Arnie Duncan. Take your fuckin’ charter schools and stick ‘em up your ass.
the mare i saved 2 years ago (leg laceration) is preggars…some joy left in the world
ooo, that’s cool. Nice to see ya.
Hey, private is better than public, as in intel, mercenaries, ed, med, prisons.
This is something we’ve been trying to get them to do for decades and Hillary is scolding them?!?
NK is not the best behaved child on the block AND they’ve got a new leader who needs to show he’s tough. Did Hillary ever consider thatthis might cause NK to back right off that deal??
I’m sure Iran will drop their nuke program right away, now that they know the reward is a scolding from Hillary.
Boxturtle (Wonder if there are tech issues with NK and their bomb is a fizzle)
and billion dollar money makers Carnival Cruise lines,paid not one penny of US taxes
hey SD, you rock.
Good morning, pups. With my connectivity issues, I missed the news about Katie (saw a post from Jane a week or so ago). Update, please?
SD, so glad you don’t have to give Maste an enema. I don’t think I would be up for that! And I am happy you reposted again the Let Your Life Be a Friction vid. I wouldn’t have been able to watch it so didn’t try, and now I can.
Headed to Indy this morning to attend an awards ceremony. My daughter-in-law is receiving an Indiana Torchbearer’s Award this afternoon!
James Murdock is moving to US to avoid British law. Ya notice that none of Obama’s prosecutors are looking at Faux Phone Hacking here?
I can come up with a BUNCH of uncomplementary theories about why that might be.
Boxturtle (Barry is scared of fighting with Faux before an election?)
Hillary is vying for an institute at Wellesley.
eCAHN, bloomberg and rahm both want charter schools to replace the public schools. This way their buddies can establish the charter schools and suck more money out of the public trough. If people think that school taxes are high now and the students are shortchanged, just wait until the charter schools are more established. The data will be fudged to show how well the new schools do. The discussion on DN! concerning schools is very good.
And Atrios reply:
leave it at, Barry is a skeeerdy cat.
Can’t believe it! 80 degrees for the high today. March 1st, and already the flowers are blooming. If we don’t have winter soon the strawberries and peaches are going to be hard to find.
Katie’s surgery went okay and she went home to recover yesterday.
Don’t know how many enemas they had to give Maste but as of 4 yesterday afternoon they had gotten 2/3 of the impacted stool out. I thinkin’ he’s gonna be a little skittish for a while.
Glad for your daughter, congrats to her. (am Ruth at the moment)
But…but…but…What about the unions that are destroying education? What about all the tax dollars we’re wasting schooling those people who will never understand anything beyond buying cigarette? Eventually charter schools will do better than public schools, we just have to take more money from the public schools and give some of it to the charters. And we need a 1st amendment exception so we can give it to approved religious charters.
Boxturtle (Ya notice how I worked in a “those people”?)
Heja, sweet one. Riley is keeping on. He now shares the home front with two miniature dachsunds, we have added my housemate’s daughter’s female to the household, so wherever he is, he is having to put up with some hysterical dog companions. Good thing he doesn’t know he’s supposed to be a killer lol. I have dog barking as a constant mental soundtrack now, awake or asleep. If only I could shape it into America the Beautiful lol. How are things up there in Dolly Parton land?
going next week,ill Skype ya
Heh. Privately ‘trained’ teachers with no place to go, and voila! suddenly a whole buncha public schools get closed.
have you tried prunes,i give them to Chi Chi s
In the 80s here through the weekend. I’ve used nothing more than a blanket except for a couple nights all “winter.”
Glad to hear about the horse.
Good luck on your trip.
moue is a really funny word. almost a mouth, almost a mouse. It makes me see Shirley MacLaine’s face.
Molly,
Congrats to your daughter!
Jane said that Katie had a mass of the lungs. She is also 13 years old and for a pup that is aged. The doc was able to remove it and Katie did well during the surgery. Now, it is a matter of recovery and how she will do considering her elderly dog status.
March 13. Jamie Dimon’s birthday. Help celebrate by shutting down a Chase Bank near you.
FYI, bank branches can be successfully be shut down with as few as six people with no arrests.
its good to get another perspective,hope the euro falls some more.
You have to remember that I am upstate at the line next to Charlotte. We don’t normally have this kind of weather the end of Feb. or beginning of March.
Usually is borders on ice storms and wind storms.
Heh, the manager of the Regions branch we use for work won’t talk to me any more after I gave him an earful the last time he tried to get me to open an account there.
we had horrible storms last nite,hope all is well with you!
Jamie Dimon is not well liked in Atlanta.
We need a hard freeze for all the citrus crops. Doesn’t look like its gonna happen this year.
I haven’t read the linked piece yet, but Taibbi has a similar take on the GOP, I think.
Conservative Chickens Come Home to Roost
Heh. Rahm, true to character, said to head of Chi teachers union that ‘those kids are never going to amount to anything so I’m not throwing money at them.’ You can guess who ‘those kids’ are.
The Tea Partiers in my town are flinging huge amounts of mud at the public schools. First it was “dirty dancing” at a dance last fall. Then they wanted “Beloved” and “Waterland” taken out of the Advanced Placement English curriculum (a group of more enlightened parents fought back and won a partial victory). Now they’re alleging that students are having sex in the bathroom–an urban legend on a par with alligators in the NYC sewer system.
Mrs. Tiger and I have concluded that one objective of the Tea Partiers’ campaign is to portray our town’s public schools (which are quite good) in such an unfavorable light that dim-bulb parents will pull their kids out of them an enroll them in charter schools. There are 3 in our town, and a 4th is under construction. All are owned by the same company. It’s time to follow the money.
Then he probably wouldn’t like it if you went back passing out info about the benefits of investing in local credit unions to all the people entering his bank.
Actually, daughter-in-law, but I love her, and she is quite the woman!! Executive Director of the Indiana Autism Society.
I remembered Katie had a mass in her lungs, but didn’t know she was to have surgery (or didn’t remember). Thanks!
just another little prince of finance,who thinks he is doing Gods work
Yes. The bad string of tornados has been coming at us because of warm weather. I am good thank you. Still have to take care of Mom/Miss Daisy, but I wouldn’t want it any other way. It just makes me crazy after a few days. You know, she wouldn’t speak to anyone else like she does me.
She forgets what she said after a day anyway, so I try to forget it too.
Chase Bank.
I started my little tirade with something like, “Lemme tell ya why I’ve used a credit union all these years….”
the children in this country are doomed to be poorly educated and unaware,tis the pity and now i must run!
Went away to watch ‘Let Your Life Be A Friction…”
Leaves ya kind of speechless, doesn’t it?
Oh, and speaking of banks…
Bank of America was on the local nooze again this morning. They are devising a plan to charge checking account holders a fee if they do not participate in other services.
Brad DeLong writes that he knew what the Rs were in the early 1990s. Too bad he didn’t use that knowledge to push Barry to the left in the first few years.
best of luck,all the cows,and horses are fine,even though the wind was driving hail and rain…oy
You can’t push O to the left when he is getting paid to e a wingnut jerk.
soon i will be free of them
That is great to hear. When is the baby expected?
I don’t think anything would have altered Obama’s neoliberal stance, then or now. He bought into that shit when he decided politics was better than organizing. Joe Hill would have put a foot up his ass.
Anyone who, after Newt and the boys rode into town in 1995, didn’t think the Republican Party had turned into a pack of rabid jackals is committing political malpractice. I’m looking at you, Mr. President.
3 to 4 weeks…ill post pics of her horrible cut,and great recovery,and the baby of course
Take care, and good to see you.
Do you have sibs?
I realize this is off topic, but if I believed in Hell, I’d want Joe Manchin to spend all of eternity there.
Been there PP, but there were real moments of lucidity and recall where I learned stuff that I had not known previously. What she had really thought about certain people, the church, and politics that she had always bit her tongue and kept quiet about, “those things,” that were not discussed in polite company.
Wouldn’t have missed a minute of that if I could have been there every day.
The best.
Manchin belongs in the same circle of political Hell as Evan Bayh.
Probably right.
Don’t read BDL anymore.
Isn’t strange how after serving in congress, and three years as President he still doesn’t get that they are not going to do anything to help the country?
I don’t want to start a hate Obama stream going, but seriously how many times do you have to see the same situation before you change the game?
He would have managed a whole lot better if he had replaced Bernanke and Geithner after the stimulus.
He likes the game. He can “win” with the game.
There is no off topic at the Diner :)
What’ll you have, regular or decaf?
“regular” has taken on a whole new dimension this morning…… *g*
Thank you. Yes, I agree and am hearing some of the same from mine. Shocked me good when she said she wished those young people had been in the streets a long time ago!
OmAli, yes I do have sibs. They are younger and must work as they both have jobs now. Believe me, that is a seriously good thing. One almost lost her home.
Morning SD & Pups of Fire:
Running way behind this morning. On the other hand, The Conversation.
Would somebody throw this prick in jail? Please? (Note: I said “Please.”)
He would have managed a whole lot better if he had replaced Bernanke and Geithner after the stimulus.
And better yet had he kept Larry Summers out of his inner circle to begin with. Ron Suskind’s book Confidence Men paints Obama as an atrocious manager who kept both Summers and Geithner around even after they defied his orders–a fireable offense in most organizations.
I’m dense this morning, who is that?
Suskind’s book is an O whitewash, imo. O is MUCH worse than a bad manager.
*g*
JANE TWEETS:
Pretty stressful for you, but yes when it is all over you will be glad that you were there to care for her. I must say that I learned some things that I wish I hadn’t, though. Life’s a messy business. Let me know when the substance abuse is scheduled to begin*smile*
In that case, prune juice for everyone! (DHS will think it’s a movement-hat tip to Arlo)
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Afghanistan: 1,908
Afghan, Iraki, Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2012: 7,440 and counting
Joe Hill
No war but class war
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
Namaste
Never. Give. Up.
(((Jane & Katie)))
Ah, shit. (((Katie))) Hang in there, girl.
((SD)). *g*
If I can afford it I’ll get Vodka, if not a bottle of whine. Probably will start Saturday around 3:00.
For those interested: Richard Wolff on WBAI.org. Click on the 32 bit MP3. This is fund raising so you won’t hear the whole thing.
“moue” becomes “spew”. Lol
Colonel Flick???? What is he flicking? Don’t lemme guess . . .
Ditto: I love articulate….;)
Take care and have a safe trip. See you when you get back. :)
Oh, ((Katie and Jane)) hang in there, kids.
((((Katie))))
Last Saturday’s program? The archived shows are complete, they just interrupt the show with the fund raising stuff.
*g*. !!
Good news. Best to Katie and Maste from Paco (chihuahua guard dog)
Ruth,
Ya gotta bring us some of that syrup back. You know, in the other pocket to go with the pancakes. Hope you are enjoying yourself.
Noticed there is a French Village for sale in the news this morning. Thought about you. It’s ancient and has a big history.
msmolly,
Congratulations to your daughter and have a safe trip. Hope the weather systems have finally passed so you have good roads.
Y’all pupses have a good Thursday. I’m going to get some things done before having an afternoon picnic with my niece and her grandfather.
Safe travels and safe home, pupses dears
Ohmmmm
Good news on Maste!
Thanks for the post with all you are going through. Our animals “own” us.
Twitter just lit up.
Reports that Breitbart died.
http://bigjournalism.com/lsolov/2012/03/01/draft/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+BigJournalism+(Big+Journalism)
Saw presentation by Will Allen of Growing Power (Milwaukee) last night. They are doing lots of interesting things in the technology of urban organic agriculture and aquaculture. Setting up regional training centers for urban agriculture and getting zoning laws changed to permit urban gardening.
Their method gets around the issue of lead paint and other heavy metals in the ground of most urban areas by overlaying two feet of compost on top of the soil everywhere they plant no-till. With this method, they can even reclaim abandoned asphalt parking lots for growing space.
Worth checking out as a technical resource.
Best to Jane and Katie:
Confirmation:
Retweeted by Christopher Hayes
Karma’s a bitch.
‘We had to destroy the village in order to save it’ or something like that. Or maybe it’s the one about the omelet and the broken eggs.
Have watched a Vet undo the horses a couple of times except the water is introduced through a nose hose. Talk about being up to your elbows, that’s why the Vets get the big bucks.
All because horses can’t burp or barf, don’t know about other animals of the kingdom.
Indeed. That explains why Satan wasn’t at the poker game last night, he had to make a pickup.
Boxturtle (We were worried about him, he’s been depressed since Cheney left office)
The virtues of monopoly. Our local phone service does the same thing whenever it thinks it can get away with it.
Now up on CNN as breaking news. What’s little Jimmy O’Keefe gonna do now?
A very good morning to all, and best wishes to PP and mother, as well as for ongoing crisis with Katie. Loved the comment ‘nothing is off topic’, so I will put something on for Popeye, even though I don’t see him at the table.
I was late reading yesterday, so didn’t post on the question you raised for DW, thought he gave a super response. You didn’t ask my input, but I thought about it all night, and here’s my take. The quote from atheist writing was:
“When man comes to the realization that he is not the “favorite” of God; that he was not specially created,that the universe was not made for his benefit, and that he is subject to the same laws of nature as all other forms of life, then, and not until then, will he understand that he must rely upon himself, and himself alone, for whatever benefits he is to enjoy; and devote his time and energies to helping himself and his fellow men to meet the exigencies of life and to set about to solve the difficult and intricate problems of living.”
I don’t want to take up a lot of space here, save to say that I had a parallel thought to the above, not a contradiction of it, so when Popeye is around, or if anyone else is interested, I will follow on.
A terrible loss for humanity. (giggle)
My Phone company is the ONLY monopoly for phone/internet service.
Twice as much Cs released as thought. And we’re paving over the seabed next to the reactors to deal with it.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201202290025
Boxturtle (Paving the ocean bottom. What about depths below 500ft?)
Hey, what are we, chopped liver?
Really well said..wish I had said that. RIP
Join Pat Buchanan, infiltrate the Quakers or the like (Ruth in disguise)
Jane is on twitter and tweeting FDL stories.
No update on Katie yet. I know she is busy trying to calm herself while waiting.
Paving the bottom ignores that whatever swims above that paved stuff has contacted and spread the contamination already for aeons. (Ruth disguised)
I am lurking so I am all ears. :)
He prolly picked up an infection from getting too close to those dirty diseased Occupiers. DHS is mobilizing now.
The Breitbart story is still over the twitter sphere.
Most everyone is trying to be civil for the sake of his wife and children.
The blogosphere will be an interesting place today with the Breitbart news.
No sense speculating, but I’m guessing an aneurysm did him in. That recent footage of him yelling at Occupiers sure made it look like he was someone who would blow a gasket.
Wear a raincoat if you’re standing next to Dana Loesch at the wake.
Paving with what? That doesn’t sound good at all.
Gimme a break. You mean the wife and children who thrived on his deliberate and calculated poison-peddling? My arms are too short to embrace everyone.
Saying his last tweet was calling someone a Putz. But otherwise, wishing his family well and healing. Saying he was a lion for the right.
He was a-lyin’ alright.
Had to turn off last night’s MSM because of Hillary, whose dulcet tones had penetrated my classical music station like fingernails on a chalk board. They really don’t want us to feel safer in any way, shape or form.
Thanks for Krugman’s shrill piece, SD, but I wish he’d carried the shrillness further. It’s not enough for Obama and the D’s to sound like reformers – they’ve been part of the entire duplicitous mess. A commenter on Krugman’s piece called the party balance ‘asymmetrical’ meaning bad R’s good D’s. That simply doesn’t fly. We are not in campaign 2008 but in 2012. Ignoring the last three plus years of slide by blaming it on the barely functioning R’s, wackadoodle as they present themselves, is not going to fly.
The parties are asymmetrical all right. There’s an “O” where the “D” should be.
Sheesh!
I just noticed your comment. I’m looking at the feed waiting for an update from Jane. Was not directed at you at all.
Breitbart dead at 43.
For reference:
Isotopes of Cesium
Oh, I just heard that as I was about to shut down to finish dressing and go.
that’s pretty amazing. I’m guessing heart attack or stroke…wouldn’t you think?
Oh, that was kinda my thought, too, but meaner.
Whoa, Breitbart, that’s wild.
I am sorry that I have not been around to check on how Katie did in her surgery the the other day. Anyone?
Oh-I see SD has covered it above. Thanks. Re: Maste. I gave LM some milk of mag. the other day for same reason. . .lots of results on that one, LOL.
Well, he sent his last tweet, arguing with someone, only 8 hours ago. So, he certainly did not see it coming. Must be heart or stroke.
https://twitter.com/#!/andrewbreitbart
I was not reacting negatively to YOU at all. You can do no wrong as far as I’m concerned. ((PP)) Just reacting to the predictable oncoming wave of croc tears and admonitions not to speak ill of the dead. Some dead need to be spoken ill of, if only cuz we can’t all get close enough to actually piss on said dead. But even more so cuz they earned it the hard way. That is my personal uncharitable, unsaintly viewpoint, and I’m stickin’ to it.
(((RC)))
Good. I thought you were responding to me. I do have to say that Breitbart had some very ugly words to say about T. Kennedy when he died. Not that I am trying to play tit for tat, just that the right should expect some words.
Wonder why one shouldn’t speak ill of the dead. We speak plenty ill of the alive. It’s not as though he was around to defend himself when we vilified him.
Methinks there’s a lot of people tryin’ to stay calm. (((Katie))) (((Jane)))
Just sent a tweet to Jane to ask if she has update.
I have to walk away from the computer for about 5 to 8 minutes.
I’ve really had to control meself with this. I’d hate for Jane to give me an earful today.
I will never forget that when Nixon died, I was elated, and standing in front of my father, he surprised me with his version of “don’t speak ill of the dead.” Of course Nixon now making a comeback after all the even more outrageous shit republicans do these days.
;) Yay!
I will try to be brief, Popeye, but let me tell you I went all around RobinHood’s barn on this one. The natural tendency (for me) would be to dispute the contention – after all, this is an atheist, right? But you can’t dispute it, and it is beautifully put. I’ve written it down for myself, and I will put it in one of the blank pages of my copy of TBK (‘The Brothers Karamazov’) which incidentally I will claim as the greatest work of fiction so far (I intend to write one a bit less enigmatic down the line of course.)
The key word in the quotation is ‘realization’ – “When man comes to the realization…” (Just got a chill – haven’t opened TBK for quite a while, and I kid you not, I just opened to the pertinent page.)
“Some will say, perhaps, that red cheeks are quite compatible with both fanaticism and mysticism, but it seems to me that Alyosha was even more of a realist than the rest of us. Oh, of course, in the monastery he believed absolutely in miracles, but in my opinion miracles will never confound a realist. It is not miracles that bring a realist to faith. A true realist, if he is not a believer, will always find in himself the strength and ability not to believe in miracles as well and if a miracle stands before him as an irrefutable fact, he will sooner doubt his own senses than admit the fact. And even if he does admit it, he will admit it as a fact of nature that was previously unknown to him. In the realist, faith is not born from miracles, but miracles from faith. Once the realist comes to believe, then precisely because of his realism, he must also allow for miracles. ”
I will simply add that of the three brothers in the novel, the oldest Dmitri is not a realist, but Alyosha and his atheistic brother Ivan both are. The tensions between all three make it the great work that it is. I would further add that no, my copy of it doesn’t naturally fall open to the above quote – in fact, I had to squeeze it between my knees as I typed to stay in touch with the page. Plus, I had no idea, having not visited the text for some time, where in the long introductory section the quote I was looking for occurred. (I did know it was towards the front.)
So there, realists, brothers, have at my tiny miracle!
If we can’t speak ill of ‘em when they’re alive, cuz it would be “uncivil,” and we can’t speak ill of ‘em when they’re dead, cuz it would be “disrespectful,” then, in effect, we are all doing unpaid PR work for the bastards. Makes more sense to me to just speak the unvarnished reality at all times. Feelings count less than awareness in my universe.
Yup. it also ignores the worms and bugs that live in the seabed which are a critical part of the ecosystem.
Boxturtle (But somewhere, some MOTU is going to sell a LOT of cement)
Concrete, according to the story. Going to be an interesting engineering challenge, to say the least.
Boxturtle (Tricky getting concrete to set under water)
Let’s think about what CS will do when it hits water. You get CsOH, which besides being a POWERFUL base, will not settle to the seabed but will remain in suspension as Cs+ & OH-.
Concrete is NOT going to make any difference to that.
Boxturtle (Not clear to me why they think concrete is the answer to Cs)
Nothing from Jane yet.
Holding hope all is good.
I have been so disappointed that the media is using his death to repeat the lies he created.
Haven’t read the story yet, but I can give a little of what I know on concrete in water.
They can do it much like boat ramps in lakes. Sometimes the base is already formed and slid into the water like huge boulders.
Bill Black on Guns and Butter
Yes he is an atheist. My apologies for not asking you the question as well. It is my nature not to offend in any way anyone who thinks differently. I have not read the book that you mentioned so it is above my pay grade of understanding but a book maybe I should read. I posed the question because I think “religion” is getting in the way of solving our problems in our society. When someone bases his world view on “fiction” it is dangerous and especially when that person is running for an office that serves society.
As I said from the beginning I once believed as well so I include myself in the deluded thinking. There are some who have no problem in killing lots of people all in the name of “God”. With the spread of nuclear weapons this is closer to becoming a reality than we think. Again my apologies if I offend it is not my intention. For me the quote I posted really opened my eyes that we are really on our own and politics will not be the answer. I post so others will pause and consider what they believe and why they believe it. Thanks for your response and I will have to ponder your thoughts.:)
Perhaps that is better rewritten:
‘Course, I’m more literalist than literati.
Didja all see Kevin’s wikileaks post about the Stratfor emails suggesting OBL’s body was transported to the US?
I didn’t see that in your quote. I think, in fact, it is there implicit that “man” can be recovered from the delusion; that he is not doomed to interminable battle between faiths and no faith. The latter may be “his” fate but that resignation’s not in your quote.
Oh, Shite, if true, that would be some seriously freakin’ bad juju.
No, popeye, the whole point of my post is that you do not offend! You don’t have to read the book, just read the quote. I am saying that realists operate in parallel, not in opposition. I haven’t read your book either – that’s okay. I really did find your quotation extraordinarily well put; I really did! In the novel, Alyosha and Ivan are brothers with the same mother. They stand for your kind of realism as well as mine and both really do matter.
And, like Dennett says, the real battle is between the professed believers in belief and the disbelievers. Believing has it’s limits and the being which makes evolution conscious of itself must learn them.
The problem with stratfor is that there is so much incompetence and possible disinformation that the veracity of the mails is questionable. But yeah, the USG story was never very plausible.
I have to go. Still nothing more from Jane.
Doesn’t look good when there is such a long time with no update. However, still sending healing thoughts.
Yes, I do understand why you posted the quotation, and you are right – people do and have done terrible things in the name of God, and in the name of other things as well – but most particularly in the name of God as far as we can now look back on it. I call that taking God’s name in vain, to the nth degree. Powerful beliefs get co-opted, just as democracy has been. TS Eliot puts it this way:
…Words strain,
Crack, and sometimes break, under the burden,
Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
Decay with imprecision, will not stay in place,
Will not stay still. Shrieking voices
Scolding, mocking, or merely chattering,
Always assail them. The Word in the desert
Is most attacked by voices of temptation…
Now, he is not saying this about the atheist. The atheist is a realist, as is the believer. He is saying this about the co-opters of the message, who subvert that message.
Sorry, gotta go – son needs computer!
That’s probably the plan, then. Make large slabs and sink ‘em.
Boxturtle (Brute force may not be THE answer, but it is always AN answer)
Not at all. poured plenty of footers with water on top you can still walk on them the next day.
Dostoievski is saying that faith or no faith is not the real battle. Both the faithful and the nonfaithful can be, and are, brothers in being realists, Ludwig. The battle is between the realists and the co-opters, on both sides.
But, by your Elliot quote, the word is unmasterable. To put it in service of absolute belief is very unwise for a realist.
What would be your position on this claim: Man must have myths?
Perhaps there is a reason why faith is a myth allowed to prosper.
It is from the quote that I posted yesterday from the Atheist Manifesto. He states that we are on our own.
When man comes to the realization that he is not the “favorite” of God; that he was not specially created,that the universe was not made for his benefit, and that he is subject to the same laws of nature as all other forms of life, then, and not until then, will he understand that he must rely upon himself, and himself alone, for whatever benefits he is to enjoy; and devote his time and energies to helping himself and his fellow men to meet the exigencies of life and to set about to solve the difficult and intricate problems of living.
It is my opinion that politics will not helps us.
I’m back – son left.
Not quite understanding, realitychecker. As your name tells me, you are of course a realist, so one of the good guys. :)
Ah. Politics, or the affairs of the polis, can be revolutionized but only human extinction will dispatch it.
Thanks Juliania I appreciate your candor. The book you named sounds like something I would find interesting. I am sick of reading about politics and the financial crash I think I understand what’s happening there. :)
LOLOLOLOL Sorry, my luv, I forgot how far from Brooklyn you are. ;-) You indicated you would save your point until Popeye was hear to hear it, so I was indicating faux outrage that you did not consider the rest of us a sufficiently worthy audience. Where I come from, not only would everybody have gotten the joke, but they all would have considered it trite, as well. ((juliania))
Given the state of concrete on my driveway just since I’ve moved here, that is not a very comforting thought. One disturbing factor in the Nova presentation last night was that the earthquake shifted Japan’s eastern coastline lower – I think they said three feet. That’s enormously frightening when you consider that thirty foot protective walls weren’t any match for the tsunami. I’m no physicist, but there would be a point beyond which it is simply impractical or impossible to build a seawall. (I’m thinking of the impracticability of giant ants.)
Quietly putting away the morning’s mugs so as not to disrupt the conversation. *Clink!* *Shhhhh!*
Here is a good one: If It Moves, It’s Biology. If It Stinks, It’s Chemistry. If It Doesn’t Work, It’s Physics.
I’m in the mood for Happy Rhodes. Runners
Twofer. Temporary and Eternal
It really isn’t difficult, popeye – it’s a novel after all. If you want to try it, get the paperback Pevear@Volokhonsky translation. That has great supporting notes. Vintage Classics, ISBN 0-679-72925-9.
American politics is demagoguery – exploitation of faith; if it ain’t Jesus, it’s capitalism.
Must have politics without the demagoguery. Is that realism, comrades?
Lets just rejoice at North Korea’s peaceful approach to nukes. I say good on them!
Ah, I get it! I do love you people! (Tears in my eyes, from laughter.)
Footers with 20ft of water on them? I don’t speak concrete very well so I bow to your experience, but how would that work?
Boxturtle (I don’t think the concrete will work to seal in the Cs anyway)
Don’t know if they are trying to play politics with South Korea, but yes, food instead of bombs, any time.
At first I thought you were referring to the slogan on the mug…. If It Doesn’t Work, It’s (North Korean) Physics :)
Maste’s home. Hiding somewhere. Glad I gave him bunches of hugs after he came out of the carrier. Gonna change to canned food with some added fiber, canned pumpkin to start with.
Runners – race to the finish line. Inspired choice OmAli. From Jesus to Capitalism … and back.
Great news my friend. been thinking of you and Maste. :)
Great news. That’s a rule: Hugs first. Always.
It’s all in first impressions :)
Actually was more in reference to carcinogens and such….although Capitalism might be lumped in with that.
I’m pretty shallow water this morning…..I have a picnic to attend :)
Take care, see you guys later
ohmmmmm
“But, by your Elliot quote, the word is unmasterable. To put it in service of absolute belief is very unwise for a realist.
What would be your position on this claim: Man must have myths?
Perhaps there is a reason why faith is a myth allowed to prosper.”
Not quite understanding your drift, Ludwig. Yes, to the realist the word is unmasterable but under assault. Yet the idea of “absolute” – doesn’t that attend the word “must”?
And I can’t really make sense of the final statement, unless indeed it is a statement of co-option made absolute, as in the case of the Grand Inquisitor, for instance. Is that your drift?
I love picnics. Still have a picnic set of plates, glasses, wine glasses, flatware for 4.
…Words strain, crack and sometimes break…
:)
Going to fly?
((juliania))
Jane tweets;
Jane Hamsher @janehamsher
Katie back home from vet ER. Her bandages were too tight & they changed her meds. She’s breathing okay now.
Probably not. But I like the idea of sometime knowing all the roads, and where they turned. Probably not. So I say again, hugs first, Ludwig :)
But flying out of here….yes *g*
More great news. Thanks for relaying.
Thanks.
Damn, now I can breathe again too.
Very good news. Happy day everyone!
Just got back from running errands and what a time to check back in.
SouthernDragon, I am happy for you and Maste. Have a great day!
My feeling also.
Just saw your 194, great news.
Aloysha a believer and a realist, yet words cannot express (per Elliot) what he keens. ‘Tis a curse, no?
Where you wonder, do I drive? Why, away from the alien absolute, of course.
Mankind is an animal “cursed” to believe, comrade, and the professors of absolute faith are not faithful to Mankind.
Have a great picnic today OmAli. I hope the weather cooperates and all have a good time.
Glad I stayed long enough to see you :)
Thanks, it’s beautiful out. See you later.
Hey everybody! Jumping in – tho’ I do see that Maste’s home and hiding…good news, Southern Dragon.
I have some good news, too: I GOT THE JOB!!!!!!!!!
(I’m a teensy bit excited).
Start Monday! As a lawyer! Doing immigration law, lots of clients in detention, fair number of asylum claims. Some travel, mostly south to Pearsall (let’s see, is that the Watermelon Capital of the World? It’s been a while since I’ve been there, pretty sure there’s some fruit or vegetable on the city hall lawn..)
Pay not a lot, but then, I’ve been out of this game for awhile so not unexpected. I can live on it, maybe even put a little away.
Gonna buy a cat tree for my guys with first paycheck: some novelty to keep them from missing me (lol). Take Smoodgie to the vet for her ear…oh my stars. I’m a bit giddy!
Hope I’m not interrupting too much.
Oh, good! I was afraid to ask about Katie – she’d gone to ER when I left this morning.
Bandages too tight? wow.
Oh, man, that’s great news. Congratulations. First Margaret, now you. Things be lookin’ up.
Afternoons are gonna be one person lonelier around here.
Engineers can be dumb, but I’m guessing they thought of that possibility already if it was obvious to you. And what might CS combined in the air with or the ground in runoff besides an OH ion?
Another possibility (just dumb speculation) is that because the suspension is diffusing from the coast, it can be diked and then sealed. Depends on how far from the coast the contamination has spread and at what concentration.
Nonetheless, it’s still a hell of a problem. Hoping whatever the do works for the sake of people in the area.
The good news :-). Once Japan is subducted into the mantle at the Japan trench it’s no longer a problem.
Happy for you tejan. I am sure it is a big sigh of relief for you. Job hunting is really stressful.
Congratulations tejanarusa. Excellent news.
Yep! Unemployment- poof!/s
I haven’t had time to be scared, tho’ I probably should be. It’s been a loong time now since I’ve had to be on time, talk to clients, etc., etc.
By some further stroke of luck, there’s actually a seminar on immigration law sponsored by St Mary’s Law School (here in SA), possibly also aclu – I saw it in one of their tweets! – tomorrow! I got signed up for it late yesterday..also it’s cheap, luckily.
I can get updated by experts, rather than have to figure out where to start. I’m hoping it’ll be kind of a jumpstart. And then there’ll be a chance to network a bit…and this time, can NOT say, “Hey, I’m looking for work…know anybody needing help?”
Whew, whew, whew.
Now I guess I gotta get my tires checked and laundry done and house cleaned…start Monday!!
Aw, that’s sweet. I know, I was thinking, gotta upgrade my phone or get an iPad or something…there’s always down time, waiting around time at any court, let alone a detention center.
Wait, didn’t we kind of have that conversation yesterday?
Great news! Now, I only know about dogs, but we use canned pupmkin to help stop diarrhea. I just want to be sure that canned pumpkin won’t complicate Maste’s problem.
You know, part of what’s been a problem has been trying to get references, because some of mine have retired and moved away, or they just knew me so long ago, or the recent ones have changed jobs, etc., etc.
This firm didn’t ask for references, though they did ask for my bar number, so I know they looked me up that way.
But, Friday after my morning with the attorney, as we were leaving, he casually mentioned that a former child support judge had worked with him for awhile after he (the judge) retired. I mentioned that I’d appeared before him a lot, and we used to discuss Latin American literature during breaks. Wonder if he gave me a good ref?
What wonderful news!! Congratulations!
Sorry about the time-lag. It’s Rupert “Hacking” Murdoch fitted inside of promo stuff from the classic Coppola picture of the same name.
WaHoo! Sounds like a challenge.
Boxturtle (Don’t forget, Obama’s policies get credit for your new job!)
I was thinking the same thing but it’s straight from the vet. First choice of things to try. I also saw it on numerous articles about constipation in cats, also first thing mentioned. I am gonna check out why it works that way, doesn’t seem logical but…
Great news. I was really worried, after not hearing for so long. I’ve seen at least two other instances where a dog’s bandages were put on too tight at the vet’s.
Ah, so. Thanks.
Wonder if vets (or techs) err on the side of too tight figuring too loose will mean the dog will pull or chew them off?
And of course, the dog can’t say..hey man, go easy there, I can hardly breathe!
Apropos of faith, Bill Black: “It isn’t the things you don’t know that cause crises, it’s the things you do that aren’t true.
Twain: “Yet it was the schoolboy who said, ‘Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.’”
Big, big, real big congrats tejan!
IOW, absolute faith is fraud, commingled.
Thanks, everybody!
Man, I really want a nap…though I did sleep last night, for once (I mean before an interview, usually sleep very little). It’s dark and gloomy here, overcast with intermittent misty rain.
I know! lunch!
Oh, hey, over at Facebook —”updating my status” for real, for once, I saw that the Senate “narrowly” defeated the Blunt amendment. That’s good news. And, now that Snowe doesn’t have to worry about Tea Party challenges, she kept her word and voted against it. Sigh. Casey of PA, against.
tajanarusa @222
Congratulations!
I know you will knock’em dead on Monday.
Nelson (Asshole – NE) is gonna give it his conservaDem best for the rest of his term. And Bob Kerrey is gonna run for his seat. Lotta fuckin’ difference there. Not.
Back to work.
Namaste
So, the score is, Maste and Katie come up, Breitbart goes down. Now, if I can mow the lawn without cutting off a toe, this will go down as a very excellent day.
Now an even more excellent day. Congrats, teja. Knock ‘em dead.
Good luck with that whole lawn care outing. Remember; most toes are over-rated.
Congratulations, Tejana!!!! Fabulous news. So happy for you.
I will let the Rude One comment on Breitbart. (You knew it was coming)
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Is there penitence in the Rhapture?
Karen Lewis: “We see this culture of punishment and culture of disinvestment and it is rampant and obviously spreading throughout the country.”
That’s the work of the Old Testament God. He’s very difficult to kill.
Oh, tejanarusa, this is such joyous news.
I’m so happy for and so proud of you.
Hugs.
Corporations don’t have a conscience:
And the Empire is an abomination.
Congratulations teja!! *snoopy dance* They are sooooo lucky to have you on board.
Canned pumpkin, eh? Yep, there’s fiber in that. Scritches from me.
I’m so glad I didn’t wring his neck!!! You got the job!!! That is so great. So very, very happy for you. Can’t wait to hear more about it.
Canned pumpkin was what the vet prescribed for Tigris, too. She didn’t like it, but I did.
*snort*
*g*
Canned pumpkin sounds yummy to me too. I went through the entire holiday season without consuming one bite of pumpkin treat. Not that I remember, anyway.
Made it! All present and accounted-for, sir lol. (Tough guys mow in sandals.)
I figured it would be dinner time before Maste came out but he came to greet me when I got home from work, talkin’ up a storm. Guess he figures I’m not gonna take him for another ride. Dawn, the lady at the vet’s who take care of the animals in the hospital and does the bathing, etc said Maste really enjoyed his bath this morning. Figures. He smells sooooo purty. Other tigers will prolly not like the smell.
I love The Rude Pundit. ;-)
CONGRATULATIONS!!! Sorry for the shout, but you deserve it and it is so good to see your worries go away.
I’m sure it was the threat of your neck-wringing that brought the guy around. Your ferocious bloodthirstiness is known and feared throughout the Empire. Lorena Bobbitt learned everything she knows from you. (Shall I go on, or just duck and run?)
Awwwww. He got a nice grooming, too. Of course he probably needed it badly after getting flushed out.
FYI, Lorena Bobbitt got it all wrong. I’ve long wondered why she didn’t think of the permanent solution a garbage disposal would have delivered.
Squirm.
So happy for you…Keep us up to date on what you are doing…Congratulations…Please, do not leave us behind….;)
Not going there. A man has got to know his limitations.
Hey, SD–
About 20 years ago, hubby and I opened a small, pampered-pet boarding kennel. I had a veterinary friend, who boarded her dogs with me and once she shared this bit of advice: keep a bottle of FibreCon on hand. In the event you have an instance of diarrhea OR constipation–that’s the easy first-step. (Pumpkin serves the same purpose (high fiber), but expect it not only tastes better but supplies some nutrients as well.) Because we patrol the ‘output’, we generally recognize symptoms early on . . . not a solution if either condition is on-going or unobserved.
At Tommy Emmanuel concert. Wish you all were here! Xoxoxo.
Is this a first for the Diner? LOL!
Thanks for the tip. I’ll do that.
What, no live stream? Sheesh.
Hope you’re havin’ a good time.
It.Was.Great. Thanks :)
Just saw this. Yes, keep calm and carry on. :)
OmAli, ysp, RevBev, Apple Canyon,and anyone I may have missed – thanks so much. Having all of you at my back with encouragement sure has helped.
If I have enough time tomorrow morning maybe I can drop in to say hi.
It’s late and I didn’t get half the stuff done that I should’ve done today, but, oh well. There’s the weekend coming. hee. (thinking like an employed person again!)
Yes, try to come by in person so we can offer our congrats in real time!
Yay, tejana!!