It’s George Birthington’s Washday.
- “Greeks will suffer austerity measures for another five years as the price of their government securing a €130bn (£109bn) bailout to prevent national bankruptcy and chaos within the eurozone, it has emerged.The scale of the wage and spending cuts required to implement the rescue package prompted an array of analysts to raise the spectre of yet another Greek debt crisis later this year and the country’s exit from the euro as recession deepens.”
- TRNN: “Greece Has a Choice – Get Out [of] the Euro. Costas Lapavitsas: Breaking with neo-liberal economics imposed by German and European elite is the only real choice.”
- “The outing of the researcher who exposed the Heartland Institute‘s efforts to discredit climate change has thrown the scientific community into tumult, with fierce debates raging on Tuesday over whether to brand his actions heroic, or misguided. Peter Gleick, a water scientist and president of the Pacific Institute, admitted in a blogpost on Monday night to using a false name to dupe the thinktank into sending him confidential board materials, which he then forwarded to campaigners and journalists.” Dude’s a hero in my book, right up there with Pvt Bradley Manning. Period.
- “Syrian government forces have continued bombarding the city of Homs, ignoring calls from the International Committee of Red Cross for a two-hour daily truce to facilitate delivery of humanitarian aid to civilians trapped by the unremitting violence.”
- “The US has apologised for inappropriate treatment of religious material in Afghanistan, after hundreds of angry Afghans protested over reports that US forces burned copies of the Quran. Leon Panetta, the US secretary of defence, called the incident ‘deeply unfortunate’ in remarks on Tuesday. He echoed his top commander General John Allen’s call for ‘swift and decisive action to investigate this matter’.”
- “A Palestinian detained by Israel, Khader Adnan, has agreed to end his 66-day hunger strike as part of a deal under which he will be released without charge, sources tell Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera’s Nisreen El-Shamayleh, reporting from Adnan’s hometown of Jenin in the occupied West Bank, quoted officials as saying on Tuesday that ‘Adnan has informed his lawyers that he has suspended his hunger strike and agreed to the offer to serve his sentence until April 17′.”
- “More than 350 inmates were killed when an inferno tore through the Comayagua prison in Honduras last week. Authorities were quick to blame the fire on a crazed inmate but have since backtracked, leaving many questions about the cause of the tragedy and the conduct of staff during it unanswered.”
From TRNN:
- “Pt3 Why is Rocky Anderson Running for President? Rocky Anderson speaks about jobs and US foreign policy.”
The truth will set you free but first it piss you off.




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Mornin’, pups
Happy post-Mardi Gras and peaceful Lent…Good Morning. Y’all were so great yesterday…Here’s to another..Cheers..
What is the proper way to dispose of korans/bibles, etc.
Happy Washday!
Good Morning. I have to laugh at the candidates and their religious thoughts on ruling America. I thought George and his team of Founders worked furiously to make this a country that didn’t fall under Church rule.
Thanks, SD. Agree that outing the climate change deniers and their total dishonesty is heroic. Whistle blowing has saved lives, but this is bigger, it’s about our future as a species.
There were a whole bunch of white interlopers who wanted it to be a religious colony.
Sadly, they’re still with us.
Just pointing out the long tradition.
U.S. history is not what one learned in school. At least in my era.
Yes, but I thought saner heads prevailed because they knew that not everyone wanted to be under Catholic or Protestant Law.
In today’s America we have many more religions and I think it will break the country into civil war if we are made to follow laws via Mormons or whatever branch Santorium follows.
Burning is acceptable, but needs to be respectful;
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2012/0221/Quran-burning-What-is-the-respectful-way-to-dispose-of-Islam-s-holy-book
SD,
I have to say your Marx in the morning was a hit! I’m sure many more people read than commented. I think it was a good introduction to what it is about.
Good morning, all.
Good Gawd, now you’ve gone and done it.
I see a flame-war over this.
(Just leave ‘em on the damn shelf, of course, what does an atheist, lousy term BTW, know? Unopened, on the shelf, they cause considerably less mischief among peeple, if muh observations count for anything. Although to be honest, some people seem to be able to find the good parts. A number of those people, among the finest whom I know, comment here, of course.)
So, let’s leave my comment at Good morning!! And happy wash-day!! to the cherry-tree man.
DW
We could go back to Jewish Law “no more shrimp at the conventions and surf and turf is out too.”
Death penalty by stoning, just like the Muslims this could get confusing.
Is there a link?
What I wanna know is why do most of the portraits of notables in the 18th and early 19th centuries always have ‘em reachin’ for a concealed weapon.
Apparently the same as with US flags: burning, but under a certain set of circumstances. (In fact, burning was, last I looked, the only legal way to dispose of the US flag.)
Ask and ye shall receive:
http://my.firedoglake.com/southerndragon/2012/02/21/marx-in-the-morning/
No Sharia Law! (grins)
Okay, I have to jump off of the cart I started down the hill. I just think it is crazy that in this day and age that we have to make laws and elect based on one’s personal faith.
Thanks.
I always thought it was to keep their extremities warm during the long hours they’d sit (or stand) for portraits in drafty studios during the tail end of the Little Ice Age.
What SD said. I’m a little slow this morining with the digits.
Next week we’ll be into the nitty gritty.
Listened to an NPR report on Greece last night. They only interviewed Greeks who said the country had been financially irresponsible and more austerity was necessary. PBS is now apparently wholly under the thumb of the PTB.
“Marx in the Morning”! That’d be one heck of a “morning zoo” drive-time radio program, wouldn’t it?
“Good morning Comrades! The morning commute made by you slaves to capital should be quite smooth aside from the slowdown on 35E caused by a three-car pileup near the Robert Street exit…”
In a way, it’s a good thing to have the in-Sanitorium showing what he really, really thinks. Makes for a clear choice.
Good morning all. Has anyone read “The end of Faith” by Sam Harris?
Yeah, PTB are having trouble looting Greek antiquities. Unlike U.S. led effort in Iraq.
LOL…
First segment on democracynow: Greece. BBC reporter is guest.
If, ’tweren’t, “notables” I’d say pre-Miranda jitters?
If the NYPD saw someone dressed like that, reachin’ into their vest …
Ya bust my gut, SD, regular like.
Thank you, thank you …
;~DW
In addition, they never asked the question of whether it was prudent for Greece to work with Goldman Sachs in cooking the books allowing them to enter the Euro Zone.
Good morning everyone. SouthernDragon you built a wonderful Diner here with over 300 comments yesterday. I hear RevBev is out of the boot. That was really good news yesterday.
Absolutely!
I just fear the guilt/shame factor for some. Oh well, it is what it is.
Dude is a fuckin’ whack job extraordinaire.
For all the good it will do them. Austerity is falling apart because it simply isn’t working.
The MOTU’s have to have good data to figure out how to manage their money and that data eventually becomes public. They obfuscate it, but it can still be translated.
Iceland worked. Argentina worked. Portgual, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain are not.
Boxturtle (That PIIGS acronym is sure handy. Makes me look a genius that I can remember all the countries)
A ways back…..I liked it. He is sort of ‘take no prisoners’ in his approach, as I recall.
Gonna have to pop back out for a few minutes.
PP that drive-by radio comment gets the prize :)
Thanks SD, I’ll be checking it out later today. Best way to start the day, a stop at the Diner.
Good Morning, All
I’m having a deja veux moment. It seems like I was just here. :)
You’re doin’ it too, (T)Ruth, bustin’ muh funnybone , down here, rollin’ on the floor …
I think I’ll just … rest here, a bit ………
;~DW
You just noticed? I concluded that over ten years ago.
Are we sure they’re not scratching the fleas they got from all the farms they ran home to tend during breaks?
My dad used to say, “Life’s a gas, just cuz 75% of it’s methane doesn’t mean anything.”
Wonder if Deutsche Bank will get the naming rights to the Parthenon.
If we’re going to live in a theocracy, I want it to be Rastaferian!
Boxturtle (there is no God But God and Marley is His prophet)
43% of Greeks claim to now favor commies. Will have to figure out a way of eliminating the vote altogether.
Not sure if this has been discussed on FDL, but it caught my attention…
link
Which radio comment? Where? From yesterday on the Marx thread?
It’s tough to feel sorry for the eurozone when they knew or should have known the state Greece was in when they were admitted.
Boxturtle (Too much euro fluffing at the time)
Anyone watching NOVA on PBS won’t be surprised to see that the “Koch Foundation” is the primary sponsor. Don’t expect to see anything on global climate change or anything else that might offend the Kochs.
Thank you for that link and information!
Anything that they don’t totally control is a problem for them.
With liar loans, the lender is never held responsible.
Om might have been referring to PW at #24. Not, PP. It’s close.
First I’ve seen of this. Thanks for the link. I can see why China and Russia want control.
PW at 24 above.
Already done. They Eurocrats are forcing all the Greek political parties to agree to austerity if elected before they’ll release the money.
And they outight cancelled the referendum on the prior austerity package.
Boxturtle (The facist party could take control in Italy if they’d stand up to the Eurocrats)
Okay. I thought she was referring to a shot that was heard around the world or sumpin.
On a related note (it’s all related) a Republiclan Indiana legislator has said the Girl Scouts are a subversive threat. For example a local Girl Scout troop went trick or treating on “Halloween” for canned goods which they then donated to a food pantry. Scandalous!!! Round em up and off to Gitmo.
#24
Oh, PW! That is rich and is a shot heard round the world. I was just late in catching it. I am too slow this morning.
Did he grow up as Dick Santorium cause he sure seems to have picked up an obsession back in his childhood ?
Was he an Alter Boy cause something is stuck in his craw ?
I have to say that I really enjoyed the conversation between Ludwig and DW last night.
Ludwig’s been Bartooed. :)
I saw that. With all the shit that’s goin’ down and this moron comes out swingin’ at the Girl Scouts? Give. Me. A. Break.
Where was that?
Everytime I read about one of these whackjobs and their far out theories, I say it cannot get any worse…and then it does.
The Girl Scouts being subversive, Jeez!
Good morning, everyone. Still troubleshooting connection issues. And it’s snowing again.
But they still have Moyers and opera.
I am trying to figure Ludwig out. This “comprador” stuff gets old. I am willing to cut him some slack, though.
Why, here at the Diner. It’s a fine example of affective communication.
I hope you get those connection problems fixed.
SNOWING!!!
It is supposed to be 74 here tomorrow. Really strange weather.
Glad you stopped in. I’m having no refresh this a.m., just to be different. I may go do other things while the computer finishes its tizzy.
I don’t know how long Ludwig’s been coming here, but sometimes I wonder with some of the sniping that goes on around here sometimes, that folks might think that’s the only way, or most acceptable way to chat. And, if you look at last nights comments, anyone can see that it’s simply not so. :)
Holy shit, the Diner went long yesterday. Almost 400 comments?
Trying to remember, popyeye. I think so. Is that the one he begins by saying religion is behind all wars fought?
I don’t mind the snow, since it’s not gonna amount to much (just enough to get my clean car all sloppy). I am pulling my hair out over the connection problems, though.
The GS in my neighborhood are VERY subversive. They sneak around in BROAD DAYLIGHT, looking at peoples yards to see if there’s yard work to be done. Then they TRESPASS on the property and try to get the homeowner to pay them to do the yard work. It’s worse if they know you’re retired or on a fixed income. The little so-and-so’s then do the yardwork WITHOUT telling the homeowner and sneak off.
I dunno what the little cookie-pusher’s do with their ill-gotten gains. Last year, their troop leader snuck them ACROSS STATE LINES to Ky, supposedly to ride horses.
Boxturtle (Build bombs with cookies as shrapnel, more likely)
blue @ 31
yes! and why no list of creditors and amounts due with documentation! this smells so much like “credit default swaps.”
Is the connection problem affecting your editing work?
Last night, I grilled steaks outdoors. In Ohio. In Feburary. Without a jacket or a snowshovel.
Boxturtle (Global warming is a myth. Al Gore is fat)
OMG, the guest on democracynow who is supposed to be against intervention in Syria is not opposed to intervention if he can figure out who he would be arming.
We’ve gotten to the point where everyone favors war. I can’t stand it.
Tommy and Jimmy, not George, worked hard to separate church (Anglican) from state. But when “strict construction” of the Constitution interprets “shall make no law” is the Founders intended that the US be a Christian city on a hill, you have to ask them which Founders they are talking about. And it’s generally Cotton Mather, who never sat in a Continental Congress at all.
Thanks for good company, will try again later when the lappie is back in tune.
IMO the diner is currently the most fun in FDL.
Boxturtle (You’re gonna have to add a few more tables. And another coffee station)
I need more tea. I read the first line as, “…giving the United States…”
Not that “United Nations” is any better…
Other guest on democracynow is one of those expat plants (think Chalabi type). I can’t stand it.
Best wishes for a quick recovery.
Book I read about american exceptionalism was all about OT bs, being the chosen people, and Mather was one of the biggest perps.
Even my daughter, who claims to “hate politics” posted that. Where do these nutjobs come from (I live in Indiana…).
Good morning. On DN! they just had a clip of st. john mcpain saying that we need to get weapons to Syrian rebels and that he can’t understand why more hasn’t been done to get them the weapons. One guest is now saying it would be OK to arm them, but he doesn’t know which rebel group to arm. He wants to wait to see who the winner will be. Asked if the US is arming anyone there now, he says he doesn’t know. The rebels need someone to develop a real army. All in all, he sounds totally confused.
The other guest says outside help should jump in even without knowing who will win because it will bring things to a head.
HRC says that we should continue with diplomatic processes.
Good morning all. I see my usual booth is already full. It sucks being late to the Diner. Very busy today. Have a good one all.
eCahn,
It is only going to get worse. I read somewhere that Graham and McCain (go figure) said that we should arm the Syrian rebels. Yeah right.
The war drums, they are a beating and getting louder.
Thanks. Speaking of Cotton, Russ Feingold is on CBS This Morning talking about post 9-11.
That Indiana idiot? Yeah, he’s a zombo-Catholic in the Santorum mold. He also runs a small Indiana health food store chain: http://www.gohealthkick.com/
They are a wholly owned subsidiary of Planned Parenthood, don’tcha know. And their role models are “lesbians and Communists” and only two religious people.
The Boy Scouts, however, are fine because they won’t allow gay young men.
SD, write a post about Marx and MMT — if you haven’t already.
I had to click it off. Both guests thoroughly disgusting. See my comments above.
Take a sticky bun to go.
(We won’t tell you where it’s been.)
I heard him on NPR yesterday. He’s right down there with the worst of them. Perfectly fine with him to assassinate U.S. citizens; McCain one of his best buds.
Not a problem since I stole the secrets of the Tardis.
Over the past several months site traffic is down (30% or so) and those that are here seem to be commenting less.
Do you have an explanation?
Just pedophile leaders.
He argues that religion is not based in fact and the fact we don’t allow anyone to to dispute it openly. That leads to fundamentalism and murdering in the name of God. And yes wars over ideology that you can’t prove. I am only 50 pages in and he talks about how people come to their beliefs. I was just curious if anyone has read it to get their thoughts on it.
Graham will say anything that furthers the wars. He is bringing home the bacon for his supporters.
*smile*
Does it work for frown lines and wrinkles?
See what happens when you get a bunch of girls together and organize them to work as a team? “Lindsay, you got the Kalashnikovs? I brought the Hello Kitty Molotovs, and Amanda got some frag grenades left over from the bake sale…”
I imagine any burning by a non-Muslim would be unacceptable, and widely deemed disrespectful especially nowadays.
Anyhow in this case it was reckless — chalk up yet another way to not win friends. I doubt US forces digging yet another water-well there will earn any credit or make amends (it never did, no?).
I’m still playing with that. Need to do more study in MMT.
Not a lot, because I get a web page open and then work in it and nothing happens until I save (“publish”) it. The problem is much worse on something that talks a lot to the wireless router (which is the problem child, I think) because it makes the router start hunting for a connection.
AT&T claims the DSL line is fine, and my son-in-law the techie says it is a problem with the router talking to the DSL modem.
/techgeek
Very nice.
Morning SD & Pups of Fire.
Standing room only up in here. Oatmeal, eggs over medium, lean bacon and strong coffee, please.
Yep.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, Buds. The MIC feeds them both, along with Holy Joe Lie-for-them.
Graham is a patent fraud, QED.
I’ll be surprised if you get a response.
Well said. Once again it is old men making wars and sending off young men to fight them.
Gotta jet, folks. Y’all have fun and don’t be breaking the internet now.
eCAHN, I’m sorry but I started my little blurb before I saw your comments. I too am disgusted with the direction of the guests. In fact, there are many times that I am not happy with the way DN! goes in the what they do or do not do.
I’m still a regular but they’ll lose me if they persist in their war mongering.
You would think they are afraid of any kind of group, fraternity, Guild, Union, or Brotherhood. Gotta have lots of hate going on to keep us busy.
Oldgold@98: Yes. The loss of Emptywheel hurt and quite a few smart commentators relocated there. There were massive site problems that probably drove a few people away. Many didn’t like the FDL membership idea.
It seems like DDay is doing most of the heavy posting now, which is good but more frontpaged posters from MyFDL might be nice. And for whatever reason, I’m not really impressed with PHB.
Boxturtle (Rambling off the top of my head)
I also heard him debate William Lane Craig last year. Notre Dame has “The God Debates” and the year before it was Hitchens vs. D’Souza. I didn’t attend that one.
Let me know if you need help with the MMT.
I know you don’t need help with the Marx. LOLOL
How do you know that? Site meter?
That he is. Yes, he is.
I am so in favor of all his subversions coming to light in the next year before his re-election campaign starts. We have to get rid of them/him.
I’m in agreement with everything you said.
And, I miss Jim White being here.
But, we’ll always have Southern Dragon!
Emptywheel striking out on her own definitely did affect the Lake.
I’ll bite.
What do YOU think is the reason?
David Brock, the founder and chairman of Media Matters and the author of a new book out today, “The Fox Effect: How Roger Ailes Turned a Network Into a Propaganda Machine.”
the “holier-than-thou” religious agenda of Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich
haha… actually, considering how The Chosen One actively opposes transparency… I read the whole piece wondering “When it comes to controlling information, is the US all that different from China?” I know that’s an overstatement, but… this is the guy who — on Day 1 — announced on wh.gov that this would be “the most transparent administration in history.”
I responded, fwiw. Who’s warmongering?
Boxturtle (I do wish FDL would support bozo bin’s)
Just got so much stuff goin’ on I haven’t had the time to really devote to it. And I really like it. I definitely think the two are compatible but haven’t worked it out.
I still visit and participate at EW. I learn so much from her and Jim on our foreign interventions. Plus, she supports Wikileaks and Manning in that way you should when there are people working hard to jerk the curtains of Oz down.
It seems his argument is needed now more than ever. The fact that we have a religious fanatics running for an office that can wipe out a nation with a push of a button should give us all pause. The national debate doesn’t allow an atheist to put his point of view in the mix.
Adding to that, I think perhaps — although we all think it is important — that the “Occupy” posts and focus consume much of the oxygen at FDL.
I am here less, but it is mostly because of this part-time paying gig. I’m not spending as much time reading my usual blogs.
Could take the following form:
“RD Wolff, Bill Mitchell, and Paul Krugman were in the Free Market bar last night …”
LOL
Jim White hangs out now at Emptywheel, too.
and it probably is the LEAST, at least in my memory.
My faith of choice? The Church of Baseball.
In his introduction, Wolff shares a very important lesson for us. His example of asking his students in the classroom to look around and write down what they see was AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!
He used that to prove that personalities cause poor comparisons.
Yes, I know. Was just saying I miss his voice Here. :)
And speaking of transparency… for anyone who may be interested…
WRT getting the fraud-settlement documents released to the public, in CT I’m got a relatively unusual situation. The CT Speaker happens to be running for an open seat (CT-5). As such, there are a lot of Ds and Rs who are happy to challenge him. I’ve reached out to several (both parties) and asked them to demand the CT AG release all settlement-related documents immediately. And since the AG hasn’t done that for over a week, it stands to reason that the legislature (i.e. the Speaker) should be calling for their immediate release.
As DDay pointed out, the tobacco money all fell into the legislature’s hands. And I’m confident that will happen again. So if we act quickly, perhaps we can push a state legislator or two to demand the release of the documents before it even gets approved by a court…
I agree 200%, popyeye. Partly because I’m an atheist, of course. We as a group are marginalized and discredited. It’s all about what “faith” you are, not your actions or ethics, or even your vision.
Yeeow!
That’s a good one!
Wolff is married to a psychoanalyst. He had her on as a guest on his program once right after I started the Diner. Her influence on him is unmistakable and really adds to his presentations. Dude is one smart cookie.
I have to head out early. The Prodigal Son has a job interview at 11 o clock. He even went out yesterday and got his shoulder length hair cut off. I have to drive him, and we have a couple of errands to run for him before that.
Any lifting up of this by my friends here will be greatly appreciated.
The guests on DN! today were both wanting to have a war in Syria. They never discussed the greater implications of what could happen or why if there is too much foreign interference. They never discussed whether the Syrian opposition was stirred up and kept going by foreign agents (which I have heard and read and provided a link in the past) in the same way Iran was destabilized. Just Syria in a self contained bubble.
He certainly is! I can’t remember all his credits off hand, but he gives them in the introduction and says something like he comes to the table with all the creds necessary to make the argument.
Take care and positive thoughts, Demi. We will all be sending out good thoughts for him.
I have to say that I think the US is already in Syria via Black Ops and not on the right side of the situation.
Yes.
In Syria, unlike Libya, there are serious religious and ethnic differences that complicate and regionalize the conflict. At the moment, the danger is that it becomes a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran (it’s the mirror image of Bahrain in that a sectarian Shi’a government is attacking primarily Sunni towns). So the pressure for war with Iran by Bomb-Bomb-Bomb-Iran McCain and his sidekick Lindsay is coming out of that proxy war view. In their minds, this is the time to get Iran back for the “humiliation of 1979″; McCain does seem to think that way.
On this one, Israel is in a pickle. As much as they would like to get rid of Assad and Ahmedinejad, a war in Syria would destabilize all of their bordering countries but Egypt. Lebanon, Syria, Jordan.
And Turkey, a NATO ally, is already worried because it has a significant border with Syria, which has been trying to keep refugees from crossing to Turkey.
The wise (from strictly US interests) policy is to try to prevent a proxy war. That means getting the Saudis and the Iranians not to arm their proxies in Syria. And reassure Israel that the chaos will be diplomatically contained to Syria. That puts international diplomatic pressure on the US to be able to talk to Iran (a tall order considering US and Iranian domestic politics).
But the GOP needs an enemy for the Democratic President to be accused of being “soft on”. If Obama takes the bait, it’s proxy war time and the US is headed to another disaster even if it does not involve US troops or military support. (Or Xe or whatever they call themselves now mercenaries).
I am one as well and the fact that we allow discussions of religion into politics without a challenge is most dangerous as we all know. I am beginning to think that religion is the biggest fraud and propaganda show ever orchestrated. But that’s just me.
Popyeye99
I’ve forgotton which religion you were raised with, can you remind me? And, also, can you tell me when you became an atheist?
I have a theory that people coming out of more fundamental religions move away from theism than people raised in more liberal sects.
Thanks.
democracynow
Thank you so much. This could be a postive turn for him. Second of course to moving in with me. Ha.
SD,
As I said way up thread, the introduction went very well. I kept waiting for the steaming hot heads to show up. But, it made it hard due to the good introduction.
Agreed. Jane seems to be doing Occupy way more than the rest of FDL and part of FDL is her touch. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen her do more than a drive by on a non-Occupy post, though I don’t read everything.
Boxturtle (SD is the best when it comes to working his posts)
SD–
Thanks for the turn on to Marxist economic theory. I’ve viewed Parts 1 and 2, and find Wolff an incredible educator (at least for me). I’m not a college grad, never took a course in econ, but have learned in the school of hard knows some basics, and rely on lots of ‘gut-feelings.’ Dr. Wolff puts words to my feelings, and I’m enjoying the course. Don’t know that I can bring much to the conversation, but appreciate the experience.
What kind of job, demi? I will be thinking of him today. Let us know.
blue @ 49
note how often “cato institute and heritage foundation” are authorities in discussions as well as other front groups with an occasional token “liberal” or scientist they want to refute.
now they’re beating the “bomb, bomb Iran” drums so loudly that a new neighbor brought up the subject after confessing listening to nPR and linking “same thing b4 Irak.”
You can’t just ignore folks like that. They win if you’re silent. Give ‘em a forum and knock ‘em down with logic and reason.
Boxturtle (If that fails, hit ‘em with a sticky bun and pour hot coffee in their laps!)
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Afghanistan: 1,901
Afghan, Iraki and Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2012: 6,448 and counting
Fat Angel
No war but class war
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
Namaste
Never. Give. Up.
So glad to have you with us. The best thing is that we are all at the same disadvantage. It is new to all of us because these things have been hidden from view for so long here in the US.
I was shocked to learn that other countries at least touch on the theory in their education institutions, but not here.
Left you a message at Marx….
I certainly think that we are involved in Syria, and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that we are on both sides.
I made the mistake of believing that the rebels in Libya were for real because I know that there is a split between Tripoli and Benghazi. I also FOOLISHLY believed that we would give some air cover but let the scenario play out. I was dead wrong. As I look at Syria, I see much the same things showing up. I also note that the person that so stoutly advocated for Libyan intervention disappeared as quickly as he showed up. I guess that he was a textual member of the black bloc.
All of this is to say that we need to stay out of Syria’s internal business. The only real purpose I can see for our involvement is to knock down the wasp nest over Iran.
I am reading Richard Dawkins’s The Greatest Show on Earth — it lays out evolution step-by-step, and it’s fascinating. He’s a prominent atheist too.
My son shared a YouTube you might like. I haven’t had time to watch (listen) but I plan to.
Something From Nothing – a conversation w/ Richard Dawkins & Lawrence Krauss – ASU Feb 4, 2012
I was very surprised. I was waiting for the “commie” comments.
Your friends here are rooting for you. Have a great day and good luck to your son on the job interview.
x2
Gotta run, also.
safe travels and safe home, pupses
ohmmmm
I was Lutheran. When I studied evolution it was clear to me that the two could not co-exist. Following some of Sam Harris’s arguments on how foolish it is to believe in a God made me realize how easily I was manipulated as a child. It has carried over in my adult life as well. hard to make the change.
I have read that book twice and will prolly read it again. too much info to digest at one time. That’s when I knew religion was false.
OmAli–
Thanks for contact. Yes–you can call me otch, or Melody–just don’t forget to call me for dinner.
Agreed! Your eyes see the same that mine do in that situation. However, the only thing I can say is that the US will do what Isreal tells them to do regardless. Right now, they are doing it under cover. They won’t do anything to save Iran. The NeoCons want the third world war.
Yep. Your write-up and Wolff’s introduction sessions were really too hard to do that with. I’m very proud of you and how it turned out. Can’t wait for next week’s lesson.
Looking back, I never did believe in God. I was raised Lutheran, too (but I don’t think that’s a factor, since the Lutherans aren’t “fundys” in any sense). Our Peterr is a Lutheran minister.
I can remember thinking as a child that it didn’t make sense to me. My parents tried…Sunday school and church and vacation Bible school and confirmation and the whole magilla. I never argued, but I never believed it, ever.
It took me awhile as an adult to admit I was an atheist.
I guess that I have interject myself into the church-state controversy. We attend church regularly, but neither Ms. BearCountry nor I want any church, including ours, to control the govt. We do not want continual wars or so much govt interference with much of life. Most of the religious warmongers in the Judeo-Christian tradition are Old Testament emphasizers. It is easy to see how this could give a bad name to a peace oriented view. I may have more later, but have to run now.
Great analysis. I especially liked the last paragraph about trying to put O in a pickle of a situation. He better not take the bait!
I can just see Joe Lieberman sitting there with a grin on his face. January 2013 cannot come soon enough for this jerkwad to depart the scene, or at least be less prominent with what he says and the MSM swallowing it hook,line, and sinker.
Fellow Norseman, This morning I am running hard at work so am too short of time to answer your question.
Soli Deo Gloria.
Guess we must all devise “what works for us.” I’m not a great thinker, nor even a great reader (I can’t handle the ‘heavy thinking’ writers.) When I “discovered” evolution, I found a route that led me to believe in both “God” and science. But that route involved an acceptance that the “God” I could believe in was in some manner responsible for that single-celled microorganism implanted (or chemically coalesced) in the primordial sludge, but didn’t stick around to micro-manage evolution. Next, I could comfortably accept that discussions about the Big Bang, where/how we came from, etc., were far above my pay grade. . . IOW, I don’t need to KNOW!
Like you, I resent the manipulation of my childhood beliefs that were difficult to shed; and yet somehow grateful that the morality learned in protestant Sunday School classes helped shape a belief system with which I am comfortable.
Have a great day everyone. I have some errands to run before it gets too late in the day.
I understand your views. I jumped off the cart up thread. Just saying. I am still very spiritual, but no longer abide by what is being dictated that goes against my inner judgement.
Well I would have to disagree Martin Luther called the Pope the anti-christ that is pretty fundamentalist.
Not saying everyone who believes is a fundy but their arguments for why they believe don’t hold water. If I would say “for Zeus so loved the world and gave his only begotten son” in a church pulpit people would say I was nuts and I would be chased out of the church.
Just a seasonal job for Spring Break at Universal Studios. But, it would be something current for his resume. Thanks, hon.
Gotta start somewhere. Good luck.
Just a quick comment and then I must get ready to leave the house.
Although I tend to side with them, I think the overwhelming “Obama is eeeeevil” environment here has driven some progressives away. It’s almost like we’re Obamabots in reverse, and it’s difficult at FDL to voice a more moderate opinion. Sorta like the Book Salon. Those two guys are progressives, but because they wanted to cut Obama some slack, they were disparaged and insulted. Fortunately most of the ugly stuff occurred after the guests left.
And I’m not intending to point fingers or criticize, just observing that it can drive people away, while we happily preach and sing to the choir.
Thanks, AC2. Much appreciated.
Yes what ever works for you is acceptable and that is your right. I guess my bigger point is that if your an atheist you are dismissed and marginalized. The fact that 80% of Americans believe in a God where there is no proof that one exists is a scary statistic and says a lot about our nation. YMMV
You are a smart lady, moll, and I like the way you summarize things. I happen to agree with you, of course. :)
I have low regard for Obama, but he’s really a symptom of a larger problem–namely, the low state of the Democratic Party. That, however, is another discussion for another time, not in the Diner.
You mean when he becomes an official lobbyist for AIPAC?
Yes, I’ve seen that too.
/mode=anti-Obamabot
But when someone defends Obama, it’s SOOOO easy to simply point to the actual action or lack of action that ObamaLLP has applied to whatever the subject is. Which is normally indefensable, at least from a progressive view.
/mode
We need to point out the problems with the ideas, not attack the individual who has them.
Boxturtle (And life could get better if we could individually killfile)
That is the money quote! Thanks BT.
Thanks for the warning, eCAHNomics. I do think Amy lost it round about intervening in Libya time. I get to listen (since, full disclosure, I’m not usually up at 6 am) twice in the afternoon as I’m midway between two college stations – but lately I’ve had to not listen a lot. And yes, indeedy, to whomever posted on Nova – they are strong now on cataclysmic climate reversals as evidenced in the geological record plus thinking up heartstopping questions that never get answered (or that you knew the answer to already). Chee.
This is a VERY fun place, even when you are two hours behind the action.
Astute comment.
I would also add the demoralization many of us feel about the democratic party. Seems to be leaderless and corrupt. Yet despite overwhelming evidence many refuse to take the leap outside the box of the two party system.
We are pushing the envelope here at FDL and that scares alot of people.
Ding-ding-ding!
They are not pushing or trying to legislate in any way that is acceptable to their party norms. I blame him for all kinds of things, but the problem lies in the Legislative branch and not the executive. If they did not all have sponsors they have to bow to and the integrity to do what they are sent there for things would be different.
That is why I feel it is much more important for us to pay attention to Congress than what Benito Obama says.
I believe I owe you a beverage.
I also want to add that the constant campaigning is sucking the oxygen out of people’s attention to issues. And of course, the most transparent administration is doing everything in the back room.
Consider we still have no term sheet for the Mortgage Bank Bailout.
Secret law keeps us fighting to get info. Disaster Capitalism at its best.
Takes me back to my comments a couple of days ago about my son’s dismissive attitude, in effect, “Take what she says with a grain of salt because she’s a far, far, far leftie.”
I know I tend to dismiss out of hand someone who repeatedly quotes NRO or one of the other righty sources. It’s probably human nature. But perhaps when someone is new here and is bombarded with anti-Obama and anti-Democrat sentiment, they don’t stay to see what’s so great about FDL. They just head for someplace more hospitable.
Don’t we get ourselves into the same mold, as in being labeled “Firebaggers” which was a very dismissive epithet?
Then why call him “Benito” Obama, PP?
Yikes! I did it again. Old habits are hard to break.
Yeah. That gets to me on occasion. I sometimes wonder why I bother, I should just build walls, buy guns and wait for everybody to fight it out.
Boxturtle (That’ll prepare me for the Zombies, too)
GM, SD, Diner-zens. I am back to LM duty today for a few hours. We will be tilting at windmills tonight at our City Council, redistricting. The Rs have 5 votes on what is supposed to be a non-partisan council, and the Ds have 4. The plan is to get rid of our most progressive district (where I live) and divide it between 2 Ds because there has been a significant population shift westward due to sprawl. I happen to live downtown, which is of course part of the oldest area, the core of the city. You know, the part built before cars, where people walk in the neighborhoods. And we know each other.
We also have a missing neighbor. . .she has been gone a month. I just found out yesterday. She has been part of our community garden, and it is terrible not to know where she has gone since it seems abrupt. I learned some time ago that “adults” are “allowed to go missing.” The police don’t get involved unless there is sign of foul play. Unlike other women who went missing here for a few years (11 found buried), this woman is not involved in prostitution. So that is my story today.
Love the Marxian Traffic Report, PW.
I will try to be more considerate. In fact, I may try to divert attention away and to the place it should be. The Dem congress has been absent and missing in action for far too long.
I wasn’t calling you out, PP, except that it highlights what I was just saying earlier. We call people names to denigrate their message. It probably is human nature to shoot the messenger, figuratively speaking.
It is why I got so irate here about commenters who call Rachel Maddow a “shill” because she didn’t take a hardline anti-Obama stance on some issues. She has a national audience and needs to please a wide variety of people (mostly liberals/progressives). But the same could apply to Charlie Pierce or Steve Benen (to pick two examples).
If we’re trying to convince someone of our point of view, bashing someone else isn’t the way to do it.
Interesting. As a child, I was left pretty much on my own to think about such things. Always did think all this was somebody’s good work, but that could be because I lived in pretty near paradise even though a huge war was going on somewhere else. Still do think that, I’m afraid, and I did find a lovely little church for a time. Sort of my Camelot, and I treasure it still. Standing in the heart with the mind before God, that’s my idea of contact. But it isn’t for everyone, I do know. My Easter is a week after the general one, so Lent begins with Forgiveness Sunday next weekend. (I have my own little chapel now, by the way.)
No. I caught myself. You see, I realized it and responded to my own comment. There is always more to learn and you have to learn about yourself.
As I stated up thread, one of the eye openers of Marx Introduction was Wolff’s task to the class to write down what you see. The diversity that comes from that is amazing.
Correctamundo. Plus, there’s always the karma of hyprocrasy. Fundamentalists exist on both sides.
Nice!
The only church I’ve willingly attended is the Unitarian Universalists. They don’t talk about God a lot, and the members are from a huge variety of faiths, including agnostics, atheists, pagans, “recovering” Catholics, and everything in between. One of their principles is the belief in the inherent worth and dignity of every person.
And they do a lot of good social activism stuff. Unfortunately a very tiny group here in South Bend and I didn’t feel a fit with them.
OK now I am out for realz. My volunteer shift as a Docent, and if nobody shows up for a tour I will get a couple of hours work in on my paying job.
See y’all laterz!!
Thank you Demi and Molly for a stimulating discussion. It is nice to discuss topics such as these as they are important for the problems at hand IMHO. Have a great day.
Welcome and the same to you.
I guess I didn’t see the bashing in the Book Salon, msmolly – or, having been used to trolls from the PBS forums I could have scrolled over that. I did see polite arguments being made on points I agreed on, and if you want to call that ‘Obama bashing’ okay, but I see it as huge disappointment in the man’s performance once he came into office.
I’m sorry that upsets you, as probably my adherence to my faith may upset some as well, but we can still be friends as I am surrounded by people who don’t believe as I do but are my very good, exceptionally good, friends right here where I live. (Some of them are even Republicans!)
Please do feel free to tell us what Obama is doing that is good for the country, and then we will have both sides of the argument to look at.
Live and Learn. I guess I have a bunch of bad Karma coming my way. I think my view of supporting Progressives stands apart from the normal day to day Dem thinker. I admit my short comings, but understand it is in my attempt to bring truth.
I think this conversation has made an impact on me and I will be much more considerate while expressing my views.
Yes, ours only existed for twenty years (seems such a short space) and was a family church, the kind they were originally, with a diversity of folk just drawn to it over the years, very small. Absolutely NO politics of any kind. But there was a church ritual, times and seasons, and I loved that. Poetry on a liturgical scale which is where the Bible makes sense, as poetry. I sort of think churches and schools do best when they are small.
The thing about Orthodoxy that I like is that you are supposed to think for yourself, and the early practitioners really did – had a lot of arguments too. Not only did we have no politics in our church, but the word ‘heretic’ was never spoken either. Pretty great.
I hope when people are reading here some of the gentle criticisms, that they don’t take it personally, as I don’t believe Molly’s comments or mine were meant as personal judgements.
Big Picture. How to make FDL a better place, in the general.
Sounds like good karma to me!
I *heart* Prof. Wolff!! Thanks to Marx in the Morning, I was up waaaay too late last night watching the Intro lecture, which was absolutely riveting!!
None taken. Like I said, the exercise of what do you see really was an eye opener and it is being played out for us today.
Not only does that exercise show diversity, it also shows how we fail to SEE all the aspects.
Don’t let’s all get politically correct, now – aargh! I really appreciate how folk say what they really feel, and of course it can’t be personally offensive – that’s the freedom we give and take. Stay as sweet as you are, demi!
Anonymous tweeted yesterday that they had a huge announcement coming this week. My guess is that any big dox will be released on Friday since Anons have created a FuckFBI Friday hacking release habit.
Thanks for the info. I have not been on the feed for over a week. I’ve been trying to clean out cabinets and closets, and do pre-spring cleaning.
Did you see Kevin’s tweet this morning about Carl Bildt?
https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=172330035464777728&original_referer=http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/
Oh, man. This should be good.
Thanks for the Rocky Anderson link. I sometimes forget what a presidential candidate with a heart sounds like.
I made date scones yesterday for DW. Still some left for the late arrivals! (Word to the wise: it’s pronounced ‘skon’, not ‘skoan’ :) )
My kids range from atheist thru buddhist to just plain agnostic. I guess that’s what happens when you let everyone think for themselves. To my mind it is all good.
Morning, Pups. I feel a bit like Woody Allen in Annie Hall, after Diane Keaton arrived at the movie theatre too late to catch the beginning of the movie. I won’t expect anyone to go to The Sorrow and the Pity with me, but this is certainly worth a smile. I have no information as to which of them put the record on lol: http://www.dogwork.com/twpl6/
Awwwwwww…
Hope you are feeling better. :)
Angus and Drummond were a little like that, thanks for sharing :)
Some of us just ran out of things to say for the time being. Doesn’t mean we won’t be back when we do.
None of us here are particularly fond of Obama, for all the right reasons; but the one good thing that I hope we will be able to say o9f him is that he kept us out of another unnecessary costly war. My guess is that the MOTU don’t want or need another one, and so we won’t have one. The Pres bows to the MOTU.
That’s no weapon! They’re just happy to see you. Bada bum.
Oh, I like the sound of Melody. ;-)
I take your comment in absolute good faith, msmolly, and respond in kind. I don’t believe that many here are put off by disagreement per se. Honest, respectful disagreement is the necessary starting point for an entertaining and growth-inducing debate. But when the disagreement is expressed in the passive-aggressive mode, usually or openly conveying scorn or contempt for the one disagreed with, as was the case in that Book Salon, and is the norm, e.g. at TBogg’s site if any but an Obot expresses an opinion, then the alert reader recognizes that an attack has been made in a hostile and/or weaselly fashion, and that prompts one to decide either to STFU and pretend you don’t know you’ve been insulted, or to decide to confront with as much civility or rawness as that particular actors deems appropriate in the moment. It is a shame that that happens so frequently (and I would note that we on the left are known for that, generally speaking), but the first one to act with disrespect or an absence of good faith is really the one that bears the responsibility for creating a lose-lose scenario for the one(s) that got disrespected. None of us (or, at least, not many) are saints, I do not try to be one. For some, saintly response is the highest value, for me reciprocity is. In any event, I would much prefer that all maintain respect IN THE FIRST INSTANCE, and we could all then benefit from a conversation conducted on a high level that allowed us all to learn and grow. And I say “all” because I sincerely believe that each and every one of us has lots of room for growth and learning. Facilitating those things in myself is what brought me to FDL in the first place, a long time ago, and although I have come to love the companionship, I still want to continue my personal growth and education.
DN seems to be injecting some propaganda. Smelled funny with Libya and Anjali Kamat a while back.
I think msmolly is trying with great sincerity to make an important point, one I do not really disagree with, but your point is also a potent one. On the particular debate about Obama, it seems to me that his supporters find it easier to disparage his critcs as crazy purity trolls rather than list his good accomplishments. But, bottom line, and recognizing my own lack of innocence on the subject, I do believe we would all be better off in every way if we could emulate PPs example above and try to self-regulate ourselves a bit more. I will try to do that. The other bottom line, IMO, is that anybody anywhere at any time who does not recognize that you, juliana, are an absolute treasure and pleasure and model of rational reasonableness, is merely placed on earth to illustrate the potency of that old “pearls before swine” thingy. ;-)
Thanks, popy. The verdict today is that I will live, albeit without physical joys for a few days. In the positively good news department, it appears I will be getting approved for SSI Disability on the first shot. It won’t be much, but it will be survival money, and most importantly, it will be “Riley goes to the vet when he needs to” money. ;-) Now I just have to refrain from beating myself up because I did not formally apply for this 7 years ago, since my condition has been the same for all this time. Oh well, suffering causes good character. (Dissenting opinions not required lol.)
Just washed and put away the new mugs. Yes, I went shopping, there was no keeping up with people yesterday. It was that – or overtime :)
A few people brought their own, though, and here is one of them: Stop Plate Tectonics. Hmmmmm….
I have been thinking about Richard Harris. And juliania’s date scones.
MacArthur Park
We’re watching.
That is great news, your survival and SSI! The good character part remains to be seen :)
See the alliances.
Hej Ludwig. Feel free to bring your favorite mug and leave it here. I might as well wash it along with everyone else’s :)
Good day to you, sir. I was very disappointed not to be around for that wonderful conversation you had at the end of the Diner thread yesterday. I thank you sincerely for opening yourself up enough to allow the others here, and myself in particular, to get a better sense of the person you are than has been possible, IMO, since you started visiting here. I think you know I have sometimes been irritated by what I saw as your tendency to be too cryptic in your comments, but I have continued to pay attention to you because although I detected your hostility and sense of alienation, it was also clear to me that you are a brilliant freethinker, and I value such people above all others. Now, due to your openess yesterday, I know that you are not only brilliant and intellectually honest, but I have the opportunity to know enough about your life path to know that we share many similarities as to our intellectual development process. So, I thank you most sincerely for that gift, and as well for the gift you gave to all of us to witness in your exchange with DW how we of good will and good faith can find ways to build a cohesive strength from our own intellectual and emotional resources to move forward and make this very disappointing world something a lot closer to what we reasonably expected it would be. ((Ludwig))
Congratulations. Has Riley’s lump changed or gotten worse?
Fortunately, I’m still too weak to drive up there and spank you. ;-)
So, you’re hooked on Wolff too, are you?
You are definitely back from the edge…. :)
Oh, and it wouldn’t work anyway, ’cause of this broom stuck in that area, that allows me to sweep the floor whilst doing everything else, lol!
Oh, gah! I was up till midnight last night crading my ipad watching his lecture. (up to Session two, section 6 of 8). I remember studying a bit of Marxian theory in college…but Wolff discussed just about nothing I had learned, or at least that I remembered I learned.
Damn that SouthernDragon. He’s making me even more of a revolutionary than I already am. Heehee.
He’s got a soft lump on his chest, and an edge-of-eyelid cyst on one eye. Both seem stable, and he does not seem to be bothered by them, but they freak me out anyway cuz I’ve lost two dogs to cancer already. I’ll get him to the vet soon just to be safe. Thanks for asking, ysd.
You are going to need to start wearing Abners rakish little revolutionary toque!
Close one! I was gonna offer to help you sweep up later.
Oh, I know all about getting freaked out over the health of one’s animal companion…
By all means. Lumps on animals aren’t good. Even if it turns out to be a fibroma (benign tissue mass) it should be checked out.
Tell me about it. As if I don’t already bear the cross of unpopular political ideas, now I’m fascinated by Marx.
heh heh heh Being a revolutionary is a good thing.
Thanks OmAli. And for Richard Haris. That 60′s energy is like adrenaline.
*smile*
decaf for you for the rest of the afternoon, then :)
Wow, yet again. 251 comments. I think that’s ’cause this is a “safe” place to talk about almost anything.
realitychecker so glad to hear about your Disability, and that Riley can go to the vet! I understand both kinds of relief. Hope you feel better soon, too. Oh, and the dog and the horse…wonderful. Puppy Love the perfect accompaniment. What a lovey puppy and horse.
Msmolly, popeye99 re religion: Lutheran, me three! Although I have since learned that Missouri and Wisconsin Synods can be very fundy. My congregation(growing up) was a little Danish-origin, mission congregation, with some of the elderly original members and a lot of young families (it was the baby boom years!). It was my church council that sent me and my best friend to a “leadership training” of two weeks that focused on the then-occurring civil rights movement. It was 1965. It was at that training that I read “Letter from Birmingham Jail” for the first time, and met black pastors, and became something of a radical (compared to my family, anyway).
A Lutheran congregation I tried here 20+ years ago put me off, with some appallingly racist members.
So I feel lucky in my childhood church. And the best friend who went to the leadership training with me remains one of the few non-right-wingers among our classmates on FB.
So much to respond to and think about here today! But I’ll stop for now.
Thou doth overflow, RC. I have to beg forgiveness for pushing the radical evangelism. We’ve both a nut with a tough husk and shell, no?
What do you think of my conclusion that we need a Wall of Separation between Capitalism and The Government?
Got no children, so the beasts get all the love and concern the kids woulda got. God’s plan?
I will for sure. Just gotta wait for my first SSI check, in a week or so. Cuz we have been living right on the effing edge.
WATCH OUT! I’ve already had my double espresso! *grins*
Thanks teja. What’s happening re your interview? Developments? Last I heard, no phone call yet.
Oh, man. Got another live one on our hands! lolol!
“no phone call yet.” and still.
I sent an email a little while ago. We shall see.
Dearie, on LLN, advised me not to throw in the towel yet…we both understand how an overworked solo could get into that position. So I shall be patient, but if other opportunities come up, will pursue those, too.
So glad to see you may get your first SSDI check in a week! It’s lovely to see the system work for a change.
Yes, have you heard anything yet?
edit – see above. frustrating…
*visualizes Beavis on cappuccino*
In the comment you linked to you write of a wall of separation between religion and government. We’re supposed to have that but there are those who would relish a theocracy. As far as a wall of separation between capitalism and the government I don’t think that’s possible. Corporate control of national monetary policy would be a return to something akin to feudalism, the wealthy and landed gentry vs the masses. Marx recognized that capitalism without state regulation would lead to events like the Great Depression and other financial crises the world of capitalism has experienced in the last 200+ years. Central planning of the economy by government a la USSR is laughable in the 21st century.
I received the “Cat Heaven” book I ordered, and was disappointed. “Dog Heaven” was so good. Guess lightning doesn’t strike twice, does it?
I did not mean to overflow, and most certainly not to the point of embarrassing you, but I did want to make it as clear as possible that I hope you will continue to find this a safe and fruitful and welcoming place to share and refine your ideas, thoughts, and feelings, and to allow the rest of us to benefit from your presence and insights to help us all share and refine our own. I am taking pains to make this wish abundantly clear because I know I sent you mixed messages in the past, due to my own confusion about where you were coming from. I apologize for that, and will know better in the future. As to your apology, I fully appreciate the difficulty of being unconventional and dropping in to an established community. Some confusion is inevitable until familiarity and trust get established, IMO. I trust you now, and respect you as well, and look forward to learning with you. I will now go and read that link you provided, but will not try to make a complete response immediately, because I am under the weather and out of energy. But I’ll be back. ;-)
Yep, frustrating, but by now I’m used to it. At least, I got practice in getting dressed up again, got stuff ironed, shoes polished, etc.
The job seeker is definitely in the weak position these days. This is still the most likely prospect in a long time.
Had some excitement here this afternoon: warning: materialist celebration coming:
I got a delivery from UPS! Broke down last week and ordered a new, on-sale food processor. Large box on the doorstep. Just opening the front door got the kittehs excited, and a package! Woo hoo! They all took turns going in and out of the empty box. But nobody stayed, because it’s warm and the windows are open, so they all headed there after brief excitement of inspection.
I have the inner box open on the kitchen counter.
The biggest negative of yesterday’s excitement was the disruption of my sleep. Was finally getting some energy back, but with napping several times yesterday, then being awake late, ended up sleeping late today, and feel sluggish. Sigh.
I decided I really did need the food processor; making bread from scratch by hand is just too hard on my neck and hands, and I was really enjoying the bread-making and cooking I’d been doing before I got sick. On sale, it was an excellent price, and damn it, ebay makes me nervous.
Thanks. All I know about Beavis is that he’s not Butthead.
Hmmm, I just looked it up. It didn’t do anything for me.
LOL Against all odds. I did feel compelled to do my lawyer-interventionist thingy, and had interactions with a supervisor about problems I saw in the evaluation process, but I have no way of knowing whether my intervention was actually necessary. Doesn’t matter, good result lol. And not a moment too soon. Seriously. Now, I will refocus all my good-energy-summoning powers on your immediate situation.
There was a good part about the cats getting up on God’s kitchen counter. Reminded me of a particular cat…..not that you remind me of God or anything :)
Yes, it is good to go through the fire drill of a workday morning, I admit. But I’d like to wring the guy’s neck. Nicely, of course.
Let me know about the breadmaking with the food processor. I bought one after my 40 year old Oster blender finally burned up. One too many berry/tofu smoothies! Haven’t tried the processor yet. Have fun!
Boxes and cats. Hard to beat:)
I’ll tell Sita you were thinking of her. *g*
It’s the truth. What can I say?
Ludwig, that link is not working for me, don’t know why, can you direct me more specifically, please? Just off the top of my head, I can tell you that my approach to problem solving in the real wold generally runs less to attempts to separate major factors than to finding the proper balance and regulatory mechanisms to preserve non-destructive balance among them. But either path presents great hurdles to actual implementation, in my experience and understanding. If you will show me where you made your argument, I will attempt to understand and engage it more fully. Thanks. ON EDIT:Oh, and yes to what you said about tough husks, but I would be willing to bet that we have them to compensate for very tender and sensitive insides. I know I do. (Now you know my secret lol.)
First, I meant to draw attention to the ideological alliance between Theocrats and Capitalists in that both use their power in a manner that antagonizes and harms the conscience of a free-thinking people. The Theocrats are the first offense in advancing further oppression.
Second, the Wall of Separation between G and R is imaginary. It declares a commitment, however, to preventing a spiral of antagonism if religion takes is exploited in governance; the trade being that R pluralism follows (good for a nation of immigrants (wink)) and government will not invade your consciences. This is key point when applied to Capitalism – it forces the bulk of humanity to do what their conscience would otherwise dictate.
Third, government must be above religion and government should be above capitalism.
Fourth, as I see it, the theoretical status of central planning is in flux. One must remember that the wartime economies were centrally planned, that bureaucratization is a dominating force in our crypto-monopolistic economy (to the benefit of private interest, of course), and that markets are really highly centralized.
I don’t have much patience for the libertarian argument that we can return to craftsmen and merchants, both in that I’m pretty sure the vision is ahistorical, would be impossible to defend against entrenched interests, and cannot deal with the society we have (of course we won’t be able to keep that society, but neither will craftssmen and merchants).
Plus Hayek and those a**holes of the Mt Pelerin society knew they had to rescue Capitalism after Hitler so they indoctrinated all the economist idiots who now sit on their thumbs so I don’t trust their theories.
I’d love to have cmaukonen help me out here, since he’s seems to have the clue on Zero Growth and management beyond capitalism.
Take it from there, comrade.
Try the alliances.
That’s my excuse too.
Overflowing with the milk of human coconuttiness. *grin*
Thanks, comrade.
OmAli,, rc – thanks for the good thoughts (hmm, is neck-wringing on one’s behalf a “good thought”?)
No response yet to the email. On the positive side, their being very busy is a good sign that they really need to hire some help…
OmAli-I got my first food processor mostly for bread-making, and have used it a lot for that over the years. If it’s big enough, it works very well. Even for bigger amounts – multi loaves (I had the small processor, this one’s a little bigger capacity) – you can mix, then divide dough and knead in processor.
The kneading is what I have trouble with because of damage in neck. Can be very painful.
Very worth it. (the cuisinart, I mean)
Even for muffins and quick breads, gets it done quick, and no pain to neck from stirring, and no two or three bowls to wash. And chops things beautifully. I lurved my Cuisinart!
Given my dearth of energy today, prolly won’t get to test the new one for a day or two.
Conssistency is the hobgoblin of small minds lol. That last link takes me to RF’s abortion post, where you talk about separation of religion and state. Still not seeing anything that relates directly to sep of capitalism and state. I’m inclined to agree with SD that implementation of such a principle is hard to imagine, but he’s a comfortable socialist and I have some respect for small-scale individual entrpreneurism, so maybe we both just can’t envision a regime that different from what we actually experienced in our own long lives. Just guessing. Anyway, gotta bow out now and crawl back into bed and try to get unsick. Looking forward to future exchanges. This stuff is very complex, and will not be resolved in a day. Perhaps not even in my lifetime. But hopefully in yours.
You are right, they are obviously quite busy and they probably really do need some help. I’ll wait on the neck wringing, a little longer anyway.
How did you injure your neck, if you don’t mind me asking?
Your enthusiasm about the bread making is infectious! Makes me want to try out something from the King Arthur website.
Hope you can get some rest tonight ((tejana))
You get some rest, too ((rc))
It’s the antithesis of the law and economics movement – public choice theory: keep profit out of the government.
I’ll let you know when I’ve completed my manifesto. I find the comparison alone striking.
As Confucius said (I think it was Confucius), “It depends on the neck.”
I can only guess at the details and specifics of that, but I certainly would be inclined to support any effort to get private money away from govt, either elections or administration. It’s just inherently corrupting, IMO. Rain check on a more detailed discussion, please, I’m all in for now, and heading for the bed.
OmAli, I just visualized you doing the broom thing. You could hurt a feller lol.
I’m like Wolff in at least one respect. I’d like to see worker owned companies replace corporations. I’d also like to see entrepreneurial start ups become worker owned companies as their business grows. I want the govt to make and regulate monetary policy along MMT lines and I want to take the power of the corporations away from them. I’d also like small communities, instead of having a city council, etc, adopt a direct democracy model within the community. A little Marx, a little Zapatista, a little of this, a little of that. I want the principles of liberty, equality and brotherhood to become a reality and I don’t think a dogmatic approach will get it done.
Hey congrats I am so happy for you. It is a big burden off your shoulders no? To make someone go thru the appeals process should be changed imho. The disability examiner should meet with every applicant. If I hadn’t met with my examiner I don’t think i would have gotten it on the first try. :)
DN has jumped the shark. Pouring out the credibility now … must be dire.
Nothing replaces face-to-face when dealing with bureaucracies.
Ok, RC. You can catch the replay.
Good to see you here. Hope you can make it on a regular basis. :)
Good thoughts coming your way. I know you will take care of da pooch. It’s hard to lose them.
This may sound stupid, but I’m serious. There’s a way to practice portions of synergistic work groups that just about anyone can do, and that’s start a band or a theater players group.
Seriously, no matter the quality of the output of music or plays, you run into all the practical day-to-day stuff of organizing, prioritizing, learning, splitting fees/allocating costs if you attract any money and so on.
He saw my fingers curled back and asked me if they were that way all the time. So had he not seen that????
There is such a thing as dogmatic anti-dogmatism, comrade.
The Mondragon model has an administration which can discipline worker-members. It governs the coops and plans.
I’ll dig into MMT but I am very dubious that monetary policy is sufficient for good economic distribution, inflation control, or especially dealing with a transformation to low/no-growth.
So? I have to follow a model I may not like? I can’t do something entirely different?
Please don’t call me comrade. I don’t like it.
You like? What is this, boutique political economy?
What did you think of my detailed comparison, brother?
I want that, too.
How about I ignore it.
Doesn’t bear thinking about, does it? What I don’t do for this place….sigh :)
OmAli – sorry I missed your question, had to shut down for awhile.
Kittehs wanted to enjoy the lovely day, so I sat outside with them for awhile.
Propped door open…after awhile, Smoodgie went in on her own! I don’t know how far she investigated…saw her coming out.
That was after she spent a good half hour on the rug just inside the door, most of the time with me petting her. But I got up and did a few other things, while she remained on the rug. First time ever.
As to my neck..simple..three rear-enders, years apart from each other. Classic whiplash; I have a long, slender neck, so it did the snapforward, snap backward, snap forward thing each time. Each time, I was in my car stopped, with absolutely nowhere to go to get out of the way of the car coming up behind, in each case with the driver not looking ahead… The second one was the worst, most damaging. Put me into traction, and out of work completely for several weeks. Couldn’t raise arms above elbow height even on getting out of hospital.
That was almost thirty years ago, but it isn’t ever going away. Couple discs herniated, not bad enough to need surgery, but enough to cause pain with a little too much use. Even still uncomfortable to go to movies…the “spectator position” as my PT called it. Looking up, still, for a couple hours.
Regular exercises ever since, to be able to turn my head and live normally.
This place is giving me a stomache ache.
I don’t have time, at this point, to hold a bunch of hands.
Tsshuh!
We were commenting at exactly the same time.
How cool about Smoodgie. That was a big step for her! Wow, once she is comfortable coming in on her own, and staying on the rug while you move away to do other things…..although I guess it is premature to expect things to continue to progress at that same rate. Maybe today’s progress was an example of punctuated equilibrium :)
Necks and backs. We take them for granted until something like your experiences happen. Everything is fine…until it isn’t. I’m glad that at least exercise and therapy are keeping you reasonably comfortable and that you have been able to avoid surgery. Good for you for finding ways to do things you love with a lessening of stress on your body.
Ooh, demi! How’d the son’s interview go? Seems like progress already, from living under your roof.
I know you must be sooo busy, longing for some privacy. Hang in there. We miss you, but we’ll be here when you’ve got time again.
Exactly. No more rock climbing/rappelling. Yes to bicycles – the kind that let you sit up straight. Yes to regular stretches, and yoga with a knowledgeable teacher who knows just when to say, “if you have issues with x=body part, don’t do this one. Or do it modified this way…”
Still no responses on the job, btw. Tomorrow is another day (my takeaway from Gone With the Wind…which was almost its title.).
Ok, if you are doing the Gone With the Wind thing it is, “anothah day” :)
Smoodgie!!! So at what point will you start keeping her indoors?
So true.
which leads me to another irrelevancy: the line I keep from “The Lion in Winter” Sat. night….(Hepburn, in her inimitable New England r-less pronunciation), responding to the feckless, frightened son crying out “He has a knife!”
“Yes, he has a knife. And HE has a knife! I have a knife! We ALL have knives! It’s 1183, and we’ah bah-barians!”
(I rolled on the floor at that. )
When I can get her to stay in without freaking out.
Or, alternatively, without the resident three freaking out.
Heh.
Soon, I hope. She needs to go to the vet, too, but I can’t imagine stuffing her into a carrier yet, let alone trying to drive with her loose in the car (and trying desperately to get out.)
Another gem from the ’60s. So this be progress, dear Lord?
Hopkins, Hepburn, O’Toole and the festering madness and malice and intrigue!
Incomparable.
On that, we can definitely agree! *g*
But be there not plain role,
t’is improvisation as well
in every performance we do give
may be treasure to morrow tell
But be there not plain role,
t’is improvisation as well
in every rite so borne
may be treasure to morrow tell