
Mr. Gingrich will pander to everyone and lecture the media (photo: Gage Skidmore via Flickr)
I’m still a bit shocked that people are still surprised that the GOP Presidential Clown Car could roll through South Carolina — the state that gave us nullification, the Civil War, John C. Calhoon, and a hundred and fifty year succession of secessionist, racist politicians — and have it captured by a dog-whistling practitioner of the ugly art of racial and classist demagoguery.
What did anyone expect? Newt knows his history when he needs it, and history tells him that you can be an absolutely horrible person there, blame the liberal media, and win big.
Poor Mitt. He honestly thought he could con today’s GOP Tea Party Zombies into believing he was one of them, while retaining the trust of the remaining 25% of non-Zombies in his party by convincing them that it was all a lie. His campaign consists of making everyone believe in fairies and once he has the nomination nailed down, he’ll start talking sense and expect you to believe that, too. Alas, a man that has that much trouble just being normal can’t act worth a damn either, let alone be spontaneous in a debate. And these Tea Party people can at least keep score; they’ve now got Mitt’s number: a double-dyed in the wool non-believer in everything they care about. Mitt can’t resurrect himself with this crowd, so his only weapon is to tear down Newt.
Today, Romney thought he’d regain the ground he’s lost to the GOPs longest-running con man by reminding the poor voters of Florida that Newt Gingrich is a scoundrel who was thrown out of the Speakership he so proudly brags about by his own Party members — and it wasn’t just for being erratic; it was for unethical behavior. You have to be really unethical to get thrown out by that bunch. But this historian’s personal history has been conveniently forgiven, while his public history has a way of becoming forgotten unless voters are reminded every other week what a scoundrel he always has been.
Tonight this odious group continues its relentless assault on American history, the American character and psyche, and America’s future by assembling once again to blame the media for the fact they’ve made themselves the victims forever. Why Brian Williams and NBC agreed to even be on the same stage with these unprincipled charlatans is a mystery. He’ll be lucky to avoid a John King standing O for asking any question that imply how unprincipled this unprincipled lot is.
Tonight’s subject for revisionism will be their positions on Social Security and Medicare. The entire Party endorsed the Ryan plan to get rid of Medicare as we know it — that’s a fact — and every one of these guys would privatize Social Security for at least the next generation if not all, if they thought they could get away with it. How many lies will they have to tell to avoid admitting it in front of a Florida audience?
So enjoy the show. I think I’ll watch a rerun of Downton Abbey, because I’m really worried about the youngest daughter, who’s done everything right, unlike her other sisters — though they’re doing better now — and Mary was truly admirable last night — and yet there’s no man truly worthy of the younger sister on the scene. If they’re following the Jane Austen model, among others, this story is in trouble. The writers will have hell to pay if they don’t fix that in the next episode.
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Recent SC Rethug Primary history: Rove and Dubya Bush clobbered McCain in SC with mailers inferring that McCain fathered a black child.
It’s what they do.
Scarecrow!
Romney and Obama have this in common:
They don’t have the political courage to name peckerheadism when they’re looking at it…and getting their asses kicked by it.
The difference is, that, as a republican, Romney has a right to fear the political consequences of pointing it out, early and often: if Obama had done it when he came in after hammering McCain, and then would have confronted the assholes, the GOP would have been under the troll-bridge for the past three years, and Obama would be Captain-fucking-America, instead of being the Aflac duck with no legs.
It worries me that you’re surprised it’s me! Is this the right night? Elliot!
Newt says he founded four small businesses. Yes, they’re all influence peddling fronts for making him rich while pretending to not lobby.
Mitt starts by saying Newt has spent his career influence peddling. Now he links Newt to Pelosi. Newt says he won’t chase Mitt’s lies; four things that were false. Trivial politics. He’s calling romney a liar.
Nice evening already.
Take my word for it but you don’t have to take my word for it
Mitt says his own team replaced him; 88% voted to reprimand Newt, first time in history. That’s his leadership. We suffered historical losses after his 18% speakership How can we lead with the chief lobbyist for Freddie Mac.
I’ll bet Rick and Ron are really glad they came to stand and watch the other two.
now wait a minute –UNFAIR
Mittens going for the jugular.
Another food fight, eh.
To think, how much money and broadcast air time and professional organizational effort has gone into producing an utterly vacuous exercise in (b-grade) political theater.
Newt said he told his GOP friends to vote against him, to “get it behind us.” If was those Dems who did it.
Hooray, Santorum gets a question — a really tough one: “Where is your path to the top.” Wow. that Brian is tough.
Hey, Rick, nice tie.
14 minutes in, and not a single question or answer yet on any problem facing America. It’s all about how awful they all are.
That’s why we have public debates; to force the candidates to confront the hard issues, the unpleasant truths, in front of everyone, so that we can see their leadership on display.
These men are fit to be president for a reason: they have the magic. They can face titanic decisions and thread the needle perfectly. They can bear the heaviest pressure and not break a sweat. They are absolutely NEVER, EVER wrong.
It brings tears to my eyes, being so overwhelmed by such honed talents.
Q to Ron Paul: are you serious? are you in this for the GOP or for 3rd party.
A. I’m winning the under 30 vote and do well against O. So I’m electable.
Speaking of Republicans, I don’t know what universe I woke up in today but it was just rank with conservative ugliness. You don’t have to search long today to find examples of such despicable behavior but this one has to “win” the prize. Sorry to go off topic but it’s sorta not.
Words fail.
i’ve never liked clowns. And the republican clown car is the most odious i’ve ever seen trundle into the center ring. blech!
Ron says Newt’s history is wrong. Oh my. If only Newt would stop making wars, Ron might talk to him.
Newt and Ron may get a room.
Yesterday, at a tiny little theater-in-the-back-of-a-bar in downtown Seattlo, I saw a great variety show! A fantastic juggler (he has a Guiness Book record), two comedians, a puppet show, two magic acts.
This show was much more mentally demanding that any presidential “debate” I have ever seen. This is not joke. The comics were much more sophisticated in what they communicated easily, and effectively – to a drunk crowd! – than any presidential candidate I have ever seen speak.
Q to Mitt on his taxes: Another tough Q from Brian: “What’s in there that people might find interesting?”
Withering.
Penetrating indeed!
Well, they are!
Mitt uses the tax question to describe his tax reform plans. Nobody can follow it, including Brian, so he follows up with the same question he asked the first time. Withering twice.
Now that’s what I call playing *HARDBALL*!
A debate of plutocrats.
so all his income is capital gains
Brain is an empty suit.
Great, Newt talks about the Hong Kong model for taxation. Mitt says, if you would tax capital gains at 0%, then “I would have paid no taxes.” Newt says Alan Greenspan would approve — which means it’s a really terrible idea, but Brian doesn’t know this.
I think it is what they call carried interest. It comes from his private equity days.
That’s because his charitable contributions fully offset all of his earned income — that little bit of $350,000 he got for speaking or lying or whatever.
Free enterprise is what we need to do/ Never mind the fifty million over there.
It looks like Brian William’s strategy for informing the American people is to not get a standing ovation at his expense.
Oh dear, Rich said we should have let the banks fail because that’s capitalism, but both MittNewt supported the bailout. This should get funny. By the end, the world economy will collapse from the answers.
So, to avoid that, Brian changes the subject. He’s obviously not paying attention to a thing they say.
Audience is sleeping off the early bird special.
He doesn;t want to be attacked by those in front of him or behind him. What would you expect?
That settles that, Newt does not lobby.
Newt: I have never, even done any lobbying. All that $1.6 million from Freddie was not lobbying.
Mitt says corporations don’t have they’re lobbyists buy historians. This is the most spontaneous I’ve ever seen Mitt.
Except pocket change like the $370,000 in earned in speaking fees.
AW com’on Newt is a historian already
Mitt is doing much better.
You type faster than I do.
Do you think any of the base here really gives a shit about lobbying anyway?
Newt? LOL. Seriously?
How the hell did we get on kidneys? Good goin Newt.
Newt responds to Mitt charges about Freddie by asking about Bain.
That’s irrelevant!
I’d didn’t lobby.
Influnce peddling!
Newt: your technique, which you used on McCain, is unfortunate, but people see through it. Oh, if only it were true! so now he talks about Medicare.
Mitt is just not at ease with this. I think Newt is smarter than him.
can’t have them actually debate each other COMMERCIAL!
Ron and Rick should go play checkers or something. Brian will now be praised for not getting booed yet.
Newt seems a master at debate. He throws out all sorts of flak to divert the discussion. But methinks he is just a little too slick at times.
I think Mitt’s doing a good job of hurting Newt. Unfortunately, it doesn’t make him any more likeable.
So, what about Sybil? Can you see her with the Irish radical driver who thought the Czar wouldn’t be murdered?
Mittens should not smile without showing his teeth. He smirks. Kinda creepy.
No.
Can’t you see him weaseling out of homework assignments?
Brian thinks this is interesting.
He finally asks a substantive question about housing. Did the US make it too easy to buy homes. Yeah, that shows Brian has really been paying attention to how the bubble happened. Good grief.
I knew it all along. Fannie and freddie did it and the GOP wanted to stop it.
Brian: The people who borrowed too much are the problem
Ron Paul says we own home owners a free market, but we gave them a mess. Ron says he would have withheld credit; the bubble was easily seen, consequences inevitable. so that means the Fed should have stopped this, but his solution is to get the government out of the way.
Controlling interest rates if fixing prices.
I’ve been following that…actually thought Scarecrow might be making a reference to it in his title. Afraid the “debate” is crowding out the news away from the web.
It seems that the opponent’s dad owns a radio station which has been broadcasting names & addresses of Aden’s staff. On one thread I was reading, several people were saying they might not put up candidate signs on their lawns or stickers on their cars, having already experienced vandalism last time around.
So the intimidation has its effect, beyond the horror of the truly despicable act itself.
If Obama is re-elected, count on this kind of thing escalating, and eventually it will be humans…oh, wait, it’s already been humans, it’s just always denied that they’re connected-’just isolated incidents!’ Right?
What is Paul saying. Does he want us to pay off all those mortgages?
Another toughie from Brian to Mitt: Should we help homeowners or not?
What did he expect Mitt to say? But of course, Mitt did say, a month ago, that we should let the market sink to the bottom and clear the market — which means . . . NO. Does Brian know that? Nope.
Newt blames Dodd Frank. Guess he doesn’t know that over 400 regs have yet to be written.
Nah, not really, but mostly becaue he’s “so full of himself.” He really is, after all. Radical and naive (as of course, so many were right up until Krushchev’s speech).
Still, he might do for a fling, a way to get loose from Granny and the stifling life…and once the war’s over, things are gonna change, anyway.
Brian: is the financial sector overregulated? Newt: Yes. Mitt; it was poorly regulated; not up to day. And Dodd Frank has made it worse,and it’s killing community banks which have to hire hundreds of lawyers.
What if Castro dies? Mitt, thank god. Yep that’s the pattern. If you say someone should die, you get applause.
Wrong time to relax sanctions on Cuba, wait for the old guy to die.
Gee – Mitt’s answer’s tailored for Florida
Yeah, just like his other lie (one of ‘em) – the Pres made the economy worse.
(you don’t have to be an “Obamabot” to call out the lies)
Fidel’s going to hell.
I have an idea for a new campaign game. It’s called Guess the mistress. If Newt was willing to divorce his second wife because she wouldn’t agree to an open marriage then we know that had to be part of his marriage to Callista. If they have a pre-nup that’s got to be part of it.
So here’s the game. When ever Newt is at any speaking event, watch for who is in the background. He’s going to keep his mistress close because you never know when he’s going to need a quickie so she going to be there somewhere. If we start to notice the same pretty blond bimbo in the background the that has to be her.
What do you think?
Frmrirprsn’s first law of financial dynamics:
“For every single act of irresponsible borrowing, there is an exactly equal act of irresponsible lending.” Presumably, the lenders are professionals.
Here we go, more war talk.
I sent the link to the Dragon. Probably ruined his evening but he needed to see it.
EDIT: I would hope that title isn’t a word play on the event but just an unhappy coincidence!
the only thing Paul ever says that makes sense is in foreign policy. HOly shit.
question, too. For just a second I was wondering..”huh? who even talks about Castro these days?” Then I remembered…Florida. Right.
But even younger Cubans, born here, identify more with US than Cuba, have no intention of “returning” when Castros are gone, aren’t voting lockstep Repub anymore.
Pretty soon, they’re gonna have to tweak that Fla strategy.
Gingrich says his Administration will not tolerate four more years of Cuba as dictatorship.
Ron Paul: I have a little bit of work to do on Mitt. We’ve propped up Castro by demonizing him; we talk to Soviet, to Chinese, now we trade with them. Why are we so afraid of Cuba?
I’d applause Paul on that one
It’s not 1962 anymore
90 miles is an important doctrine? Let the fucks die first.
Knowing the Republicans they’ll be flogging it for decades after the relevance of pandering to Florida’s Cuban ex-patriots has faded into history.
I confess to be unable to follow Rick. Are we worried about platforms coming across the border. Heavens.
Here’s one that, as far as I heard, no one wants to ask or answer (Okay: Perry volunteered he would send the troops back into Iraq if Maliki ate enchiladas and farted…but he’s gone…) the question of if Iraq starts to disintegrate will they re-occupy Iraq?
I only ask because Maliki is looking more like a Mesopotamian despot, with every passing day:
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/01/22/human-rights-watch-warns-of-iraqs-budding-police-state
Of course, it’s only fair if Obama has to answer the same question.
If I were in any other country I would be afraid of us.
I’m not so sure. I read the New Yorker piece on Callista, with interviews with friends and family…they seem to think she keeps him on a pretty short leash, with meals together, lots and lots of time spent together–she’s on the campaign trail with him alla time…I think she knows damn well what the odds are on a 3rd marriage where the hubby cheated on each old wife with the new one, and she’s laid down conditions that will keep him in line.
Besides, he’s old now; all she has to do is keep possession of the blue pills, and he’s outa luck.
I think he married Callista because he believes that she has the look of a first lady whereas he didn’t believe his second wife did. I read that somewhere. He thinks Callista is a real asset. I think he’s mistaken.
The hell with infrastructure, build carriers to scare shit out of the world.
Mitt just claimed our Navy is smaller than any time since 1917. Damn, that’s scary. I remember how awesome those aircraft carriers were in 1917.
Weak Obama.
He consults for Pfizer.
Yeah, I read that, too – he told somebody that Marianne (or was it Jackie?) wasn’t pretty enough or young enough (! Bess Truman? Mamie Eisenhauer?) to be first lady.
That sounds like rationalization to me.
But the last part – yeah, I think he does think she’s an asset.
umNewt, we wanted to go to war with Afghanistan after 9-11. It was Iraq we didn’t want to fight.
he did get in a little Bibi love there, too.
Beat the taliban. Let’s see ten years and counting already. Obama again.
In 1917, the USS Langley (CV-1) was still the USS Jupiter (AC-3) Willard.
Freebies!
Grinch says we should do more to provoke the already paranoid Iranians. There’s a grand policy that will keep the Straits of Hormuz open. If only we’d have sent missiles over Russian during the Cuban missile crisis.
Paul is talking some sense again. shit.
“I’d applaud Paul on that one.”
Me, too, Elliott…but dammit, surrogate-viagra dictators are getting more difficult to find, so aspiring preznints can whip out their Johnson for the voters.
Margaret – you here? You had a good link the other day for that claim about the Navy…
And as to aircraft carriers – it seems to me I’ve read pieces by military specialists that say the day of the carrier is past. I gotta think carriers haven’t been all that necessary in Afghanistan…hard to shell a landlocked country from offshore…
Silly Ron points out that a naval blockade is an act of war, and we committed it. How annoying to have details pointed out when we need grandiose ideas.
Almost an hour into the debate and no one has blamed Clinton for anything yet.
Sorry, he’s their historian.
“…build carriers to scare the shit out of the world.”
Thassit’ ‘dot.
Fuck those hungry kids; save Raytheon and General Dynamic!!!
You know though, I doubt if anyone really cares about those little details.
Yeah, I hear ya. There’s no doubt Paul is nutso and would be a terrible pres, but he’s the only one who talks sense on half a dozen issues. It is really scary.
What it proves, of course, is how fake our political “debate” has been for quite awhile now.
See my 97
first hour over and Brian is clearly the dumbest guy on the stage. Meanwhile, his execs are thrilled he hasn’t been booed yet.
fifty million in poverty. Give em food stamps and let them work as assistant janitors. First they gotta get cleaned up and take a drug test. Or better yet, start another war.
If he crosses Newticles one more time …
How many new wars has this group started … Cuba, Iran… more to come.
You said it: fake.
Keep in mind that the thing he’s “nuts” on don’t lead to the US government incinerating innocent women and children, which is what war, even the “good” wars lead to.
Better crazy Ron Paul, than the Man of Peace Obama.
Now these guys can get booed and chewed out by Newt, if they are not careful.
I know Margaret; Margaret is my friend, and I am not Margaret.
Brian thinks we need a question on the target list for the war on Iran.
Will the Romney boys serve in Afghanistan or other war?
Iran, nuclear. The dog whistle here.
Rick says those Iranians started it first, because they attacked us in Iraq when we were already . . . uh, never mind.
Beth asks about expanding offshore drilling — jobs versus risks to tourist industry?
Rick says people don’t want to step in oil tar balls because the economy is bad, or something.
Tourism depends on oil drilling.
I know how you feel.
How come Brian did not ask the idiot that said he would build 7 more ships where the money would come from…who would suffer to build these extra ships that are NOT NEEDED.
Obama is doing it the smart and efficient way….with drones…less cost, faster, no human being getting manmed and killed.
“Iran!!!!!!”
And out comes the dick-hardening word. :o)
rick says pipelines are safer than tankers. Beth doesn’t have a follow up.
So she asks why they favor English = official language when they have Spanish ads.
Newt says we have to unify the country to speak one language; doesn’t mention that half the world and most of the commercial world already does, without a rule requiring it.
Tourists can ride to Florida on an oil slick and Cubans too, instead of on platforms.
BREAKING BREAKING
Fred Thompson endorses Newt!!
Then let’s stop sending our flyers in spainish???
Mitt hammers on english only; clever that he didn’t answer in French. Does his family in Mexico speak English or Spanish?
Re Gingrich, the South, and “the ugly art of racial and classist demagoguery,” if you haven’t already , you might like to read David Roediger’s “The Wages of Whiteness: Race and the Making of the American Working Class.”
Ron Paul is talking too much sense again…too bad he is republican.
Kids who grow up here cant be citizens?
Everybody get the fuck out and reapply to come back??? Yeah I can see tht will work.
Wonder which response convinced Fred Thompson?
Mitt says we won’t deport; they’d self deport to earn the right to get in line, which they can do now, but don’t, because . . . uh, never mind.
Rick stumbles on a problem, but doesn’t get it. Says they self deport because there are no jobs, so that means if there were jobs . . .
Self deport. I may try that.
You know if they cant pursue the non answer you never get to the truth.
Everything the party of NO has done has hurt this country…not Obama…someone please tell willard.
should we subsidize sugar? Newt: ideal world would have an “open market.” but beet sugar guys beat us.
The ethics thing was a fig leaf; the real reason was that they needed a scapegoat for getting their asses kicked in 2008. They thought fer shure that waving the blue dress would get them 2/3 majorities in both Houses; instead, they had a net loss of five House seats and broke even in the Senate — and two of their Senate losses, D’Amato and Faircloth, were the two biggest Senate voices pushing CoupGate.
Ron Paul is the only one who offers doing thing differently than Bush. Epic failures, those three Raygunites.
“la la la la-la” he can’t hear you
Has Romney done the corporate greed is good line yet?
Does Obama have the energy to articulate the alternative to GOP madness?
2008 was a cakewalk with McCain literally gagging on stage.
None of the these news folks know how to ask the question if it is not written down or on the teleprompter…I believe that one of these lying republicans could give a somewhat answer and then add…
by the way this morning I killed my wife and she is in my trunk.
They would just go on to the next question…they have no brains to ask a follow up question…
It would help them if they had a computer in front of them to ask follow ups…
And….at the end of the debate…a super truth finder panel should come out and tell the lies that were told and who said them.
He’ll meet them halfway.
Newtie will be singing “He gave me the kiss of death….”
who is going to pay for the space program willard????
come on girl…ask the follow up who is paying for it..
Not ONE ” how do you pay for it” question in 1 1/2 hours…huuummmmm.
Wow, Newt is the master, eh?
Now Newt is saying the tax cuts did not help 6 years ago because of Obama…bet no follow up…yep…I was right.
I seen enough. Newt is in.
We know how they’d pay for it…. zero tax rate and deficits up the wazooo! Vodoo economics.
Okay…this debate is garbage…its a 2 hour commerical for republicans…not a debate.
Changing stations back to the History channel…Pawn stars is on and I can’t believe I was watching lies vs Chumbley….
So, are any of the Republican primary candidates up on stage packing heat? Any suspicious bulges?
Well, I just read about Rand Paul’s incident with TSA. Rand, after something metal on his lower body set off alarms, said that he had no metal IN his leg. He was escorted away by police, returning later to be re-scanned, missing his scheduled flight. Of course, whatever was metal might not have been in his leg, but was it maybe ON his leg, like a calf or ankle gun strapped to his lower leg? Other concealed-weapon Republicans have been caught (and some arrested) for trying to bring a concealed weapon on an airplane, so was Rand Paul carrying or not? Like father, like son? So, once again, are any of the Republican debaters up on stage packing heat, a concealed weapon, just in case the Republicans get a little rambunctious, whether up on stage or in the audience?
you are so right….they love to say they are going to do this and that… what the idiots with 72 IQ’s want to hear.
I’m aore afraid of Newt than Mitt. He’s capable of embarrassing PBO in a debate. He has very sharp elbows.
Newt is Professor Irwin Corey. Here is Wikipedia:
I suppose the CEO of GE said take it easy on my boys….
Why not ask willard if any of his sons would serve when he takes on Iran??
Why does everyone in the audience, behind Williams, look like Santorum twins and Romney’s sons?
Newt is a chronic namedropper
Brian: Can you tell us how wonderful you are?
I think Brian should be wearing a pink dress with yellow feathers…it would not do for me to be there as moderator.
That’s later.
Poor old Rick….he reminds me of the super smart kid in the 2nd grade…who really knew NOTHING.
Which one will be doing Viagra commercials?
:) :) lol
here’s a list of #romneysolutions
such as
@thinkprogress
Solution to the crime problem: self-incarceration #romneysolutions
that’s right
Mitt loves the story of Ted Kennedy taking out a loan on his house to beat him. Nobody seems to care. Poor Mitts.
Huuummmmm…..I have heard that before somewhere….
Mitt will lose.
Crony capitalism would NEVER happen with Mitts. Right.
This debate truly suuucccks! Brian is an idiot, who can’t ask good questions.
thanks to all for covering this as i dont have TV. Good job.
A Rip Van Winkle debate brought to us by the somnolent Brian Williams.
Last week’s exercise in reckless Republican rhetoric was at least entertaining. This was a yawner.
David Gregory is stuffing all the dicks in his mouth …. ok let’s begin.
“does Obama have the energy to articulate the alternative to GOP madness?”
Easily the best question and the best post, of the night.
And I would answer: It’s not a lack of energy, it’s a lack of the political courage to confront the assholes.
He didn’t do it when he had a huge hammer and a clear mandate to do it; now that he’s been neutered in the mid-terms, why should he do it? Moral concerns are clearly not a priority with the man. In fact, he’s said, several times, that he’s not much concerned with getting a second term. I think we should hold him to that, and primary him cross-eyed.
Enjoyed it guys…thanks for letting me join you…Jimmy in NC
see you Thursday for the rematch!
@thinkprogress
McCain campaign saw 23 years of Mitt Romney’s tax returns during their VP selection process. Then they chose Palin.
I firmly believe the whole “Fundy” X-tian smoke and mirrors is just camo for the “White Citizen’s Council” attitude of the mid 19th Century Deep South.
Those are the people epitomized by the woman who congratulated Gingrich for “Putting Juan Williams in his place.”
We all know that “place” is the back of the bus.