The New York Times tells us about Newt Gingrich’s conversion to Catholicism. It tells us Gingrich is a “culture wars Catholic”, one who thinks that the defining struggle is against abortion, same-sex marriage and secularism. Or, put another way, he is a John Paul II Catholic, described by Michael Novak as
…those inspired by that pope to embrace traditional church teaching, eschewing calls to liberalize or modernize the faith…
Gingrich chose the Southern Baptist Church in college. His conversion to Catholicism began with a Vespers Service for Pope Benedict XVI at church in DC in which his wife sang. As Novak tells the NYT,
“He was just attracted by the stateliness and the beauty of the church, and the antiquity, and that’s what prodded his historical interest,” Mr. Novak said. “As he got involved with the history, it blew his mind. There was just so much of it and I don’t think he had understood that before, that he really had a sense of the intellectual tradition behind it.”
The Times says that Gingrich believes that western civilization is threatened by secularism, and by Islam, and that Catholicism is a bulwark against these foreign influences. It would be mean-spirited to point out that these reasons for changing religions are childish: it gives one peace, and it provides a convenient solution to a problem specific to conservatives, the fear of other intellectual and religious traditions. It’s better to consider an alternative view of the Church (as all Catholics and ex-Catholics refer to Catholicism).
There are three important strains in the Church: authority, mysticism, and intellectualism. My first contact with the authority of the Church was through discipline. Beginning in third grade, I went to parochial schools run by the Holy Cross. We were taught from the Baltimore Catechism, and we memorized the answers to hundreds of questions about the faith. I learned the cardinal virtues, the corporal and spiritual works of mercy, and the sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance. I was an altar boy, and a member of the choir until my voice changed. The boys served Mass, participated in 24-hour benedictions and novenas, got up at the crack of dawn in summer to go out to Notre Dame and serve Mass for visiting priests. These things were part of the discipline of the Church. Speaking for myself, I didn’t do them out of fear, or desire for inner peace, but because we all were expected to by our parents and by the nuns and priests, people who did the same things in their own lives, leading by example.
In my high school religious history classes, I learned about the dark side of the Church, the Borgia and Medici popes, the Inquisition, and wars of religion. I began to realize that discipline was part of the authority structure of the Church. One purpose was to make you amenable to the idea that some people knew more about faith than you did, and you knew who they were because of their titles. It wasn’t about them living the discipline, it was about their power.
Fortunately for me, my mother introduced me to the mystical side of the Church, through Thomas Merton; the formal side of discipline with The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius; and the intellectual side of the Church with an introductory volume on the works of Thomas Aquinas.
At Notre Dame, the text for my introductory Theology class was the documents of Vatican II. They made perfect sense to me. They were the natural outgrowth of a) the positive side of self-discipline and the authority that it earned for its practitioners, b) an intellectual tradition that could reconcile Aquinas with Kierkegaard and Camus, and c) a mysticism for a scientific culture, which informed the effort to make the rituals of the Church speak to us as individuals.
The hierarchy directed by the pope was transmuted to an understanding of the pope as Servant of the Servants of God. The idea papal infallibility controlling the laity gave way to the idea that the laity, the people who live their religion, through their experience and their collective understanding, lead the Church into a future that resonates with life as we actually live it with the help of priests and bishops, acting as the servants of the People of God.
None of this has anything to do with satisfying me or meeting any of my needs. The Church I grew up in taught me that words and feelings weren’t relevant. Acts, and only acts, counted. It isn’t whether I feel good about singing in the choir; instead, as Augustine says, those who sing pray twice. It doesn’t matter if I confess my sins and say penance, it matters if I struggle with myself to stop sinning. I can meditate on the Sacred Heart all I want to, but what matters is whether I feed the hungry.
The NYT article describes a different faith, one based on authority struggling with enemies. Secularism? But we have to take care of the sick and counsel the doubtful. Gay marriage? But we have to visit the imprisoned and forgive offenses willingly. Abortion? But we have to shelter the homeless and comfort the afflicted. It isn’t about us as individuals. It isn’t about the infallibility of the Pope, or the ability of a Bishop to punish through denial of the sacraments.
Novak, and apparently Gingrich, reject the Church envisioned by Vatican II. Their Church vests final authority in men, and I mean males, and the laity are their sheep. Gingrich and Novak may rejoice in Gregorian Chants infused with incense, and Papal Bulls and Tridentine Masses; that Church meets their needs. Vatican II taught us to serve the needs of others, and to approach the world with a loving and open mind. That Church doesn’t exist for Gingrich and a whole bunch of other Catholics in government.



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who’da thunk it; the top two gooper candidates are a mormon and a catholic.
When did the GOP get all tolerant and shit?
The Catholicism of Gingrich (and his intellgence and good looks) lends him JFK appeal.
I think that Western Civilization, and quite likely the rest of the world, is threatened by Newt Gingrich and the rest of the Talibangelicals and “social conservatives”.
One of my one-liners about religion is that it’s killed more people than it’s saved.
IIRC, the rest of the world views the United States as the greatest threat to world peace. The US (and Isreal), of course, finger Iran.
So Newt converted because the church was pretty.
How….quaint.
There is also ritual, and the impact of that on practice, and the relation of that to the comfort of faith.
I would like to understand a simple thing, and that is how the hell is it that the Church accepts this thrice married liar?
I grew up Catholic, and I have a lot of issues with the Church. I appreciate spirituality, and I know there are a lot of Catholics who are good and all the rest. But I don’t forgive the Popes and all the other higher ups who subjected thousands of children to sexual assaults and predation. I do not forgive it, and I can’t forget it.
Hey, I became an atheist 54 years ago, but I’m still a cultural R.C. I love the buildings and sacred music.
Hypocrisy.
I voted with my feet and left the Church 25 years ago. John Paul II’s reactionary version of Catholicism was the final straw.
Gingrich’s religion does not involve any organized church.
It’s pretty obvious to all that Newt’s religion is Newt.
Perhaps that’s a bit harsh, but the view from the cheap seats is that the man seems to lack any moral basis other than what benefits him at that particular moment.
That, in so many words, is what Mrs. Tiger said when I mentioned this to her last night. It’s a marriage of convenience to Newt.
Wonderful article.
I really don’t know what too believe any more. Politicians, they keep changing their strips to fit the need. One thing that really sticks in my mind, is that he took 1.6 million of taxpayers money (sort of) from F&F. for his advice. Was that advice given before or after the crash?
And perhaps worse – the icing on the cake – is the systemic Worldwide Coverup.
The Criminal Conspiracy. The jockeying around of preists by bishops, bishops by cardinals, cardinals by popes. The lies and denials. The complicity of the Media and Politicians and the politically connected one percent.
It has really all been glossed over.
Which is why Gingrich can say he’s a proud member. The pretty idols and the colorful stained glass.
Thinking a building is beautiful is fine.
Choosing your religion or philosophical views BECAUSE the meeting place is beautiful, is just ridiculous.
What is a better reason?
Believing that a Virgin can give birth?
I love this line. I can’t wait to use it against someone that really deserves it.
“One of my one-liners about religion is that it’s killed more people than it’s saved.”
I like this quite a bit and can’t wait to use it against someone who really deserves it.
Gingrich “converted” to Catholicism because he can be absolved of his sins on a weekly basis. It’s something that being a Southern Baptist, even a “born again” Xtian didn’t offer.
Something about your comment ripped a giggle out of me, and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the Catholicism part. ;-)
Gah, human idiots and ALL this toddler fucking BULLSHIT.
Get. Me. OUTTAHERE!!
As, one suspects, are all his others similarly based on his convenience…
I also love beautiful architecture, but I hate wafers. This defines my perrenial inner struggle.
This provides a very helpful peek into the Roman Church for the Godless Commies on these pages. Well done!
I think Newt wants to be Pope but since he can’t he will take being a Popeish president.
Mind if I latch onto your dorsal fin and escape with you? You seem saner than any priest, minister, rabbi, or imam I’ve ever encountered.
Coarse and cynical, I know, but I calls ‘em like I sees ‘em. Apologies.
Heh, masaccio, I forgot you went to Notre Dame (I think you must have mentioned it awhile ago in a post or something). I worked there for 7 years, retired in 2009. It was kinda unnerving being an atheist who hates football and working at “Our Lady’s University.”
The place damn near went over the edge when Obama was invited to give the commencement address. You’d have thought he personally aborted babies with his own coat hanger or something.
More likely she hummed lol. Other than that, I think you are a damn fine historian.
LOL. Good one (both you and Shoto).
Doesn’t the priest’s instruction that the wafer is the body of Christ appeal to one’s cannibalistic tendencies? Yum!
Yeah, that confession thingy is sin from one end to the other.
On the confessor’s side, as you mentioned, can get away with murder for 5 our fathers and 10 hail marys.
On the priest’s side, you get to hear everyone deepest secrets. Better than being a therapist.
Who was the genius who dreamed that one up.
Based on my examinations, the Inquisition never stopped but just got a make over and kept rolling semi-underground hence the subject of this examination. Folks like Novak and Gingrich got offered a better gig so they signed on between cocktail weenies over at the Apostolic Nunciature of the Holy See. Apparently Newt thinks the time is ripe to blurt out his true allegiances.
Is that why they kneel during their ceremonies?
Good point.
The priest gets to live every confessor’s sins vicariously. That just can’t be as much fun as the actual experiences. Of course, it keeps their “purity” intact.
How do you know it’s just vicarious. Maybe the priest learns new tricks.
I don’t claim to be completely free of cannibalistic tendencies, but I am extremely selective about where I exercise them. Now, Callista, not so much . . .
Definitely not the nuns who have to clean the confessionals.
Good point.
OTOH, cleaning confessionals might be one of the better jobs available in the church. The rooms are small, and it is dark so no one can see how thorough the cleaning lady has been.
interesting medical FACT – virgins can give birth -
so you don’t have to believe it a miracle to accept the history.
OK, then, how about believing that Mary was impregnated by a ghost.
“a cultural R.C.”
yep – we are all products of our youth
By the way, the thread and comments reflect “the Church” – meaning the Roman Catholic Church.- but there are twp other branches that trace back to the beginning – the Episcopal (Henry died thinking he was a Roman Catholic) and the Orthodox, both of whom allow and expect married priests (rejecting the Roman change around 1000 AD to force new priests to be single – with only an occasional waiver since then)), thus killing the sex jokes, and one of which (Episcopal) that allows gay priests and female priests.
As to the “killing more than saved”, cute line but as to truth?… – - indeed much of that killing was the rich using the Church and the faith of their subjects to get richer – not much different today with the secular rich using religion in the GOP to get lower taxes.
Thank you for adding the female perspective to my careful analysis lol. I think I’ll move on now, lest I be perceived as a Catholic-basher, when in fact I am an organized religion-basher.
the splitting of the egg – which is the fact – and forming the fetus – happens without the male on occasion.
Tossing in God in the form of that by which he works his will on earth (the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost) is an option adopted by those trying to understand Jesus’s words.
Indeed there is a case to be made that if properly translated, the original writings/oral history refers to “young woman” – not “virgin” – as the word used in that day had both meanings, and that the only point being made was that God gave her a child that was holy, that was the son of God.
There are more versions of Catholicism than I know about. Gnostics, for example, were an early group that borrowed a lot from the NT, or do I remember that wrong?
A friend whose family emigrated from Ukraine once tried to explain to me all the versions of Catholicism present there, and what the diffs were.
Also, diff versions in Lebanon, no?
Killing more than saved…
I have no idea. Only pointing to widely waged (both in time & territory; Islam conquered a huge % of the world in just a few short years) wars allegedly for religion. Conquering territory & booty for 1%ers to be sure, and I’d note that 1%ers are definitely using religion in contemporaneous U.S. as a war mongering device.
I thought you were referring to occasions when hymen was left intact, but male ejaculated & sperm made its way to the uterus.
I also remember that the R.C.s didn’t sign onto the virgin birth until some time in the xth century so I briefly looked at the wiki. I didn’t read it thoroughly but it had something to do with the translation of whatever the word was in Aramaic into the word ‘virgin’, which apparently happened at a much later century. Not interested enough to track it all down.
I was reminded that traditional Jewish marriages at the time occurred when the woman are around age 12.
One final remark
Once listened to a college course on the real life Jesus from The Learning Company. (I loaned it to a friend and she did not return it so I was able to listen to it only once, and that was a long time ago.)
If I remember the short version, almost nothing is known about him. Bible was a req course in college, NT second semester, in which we learned that the NT wasn’t written until about 70 years after Jesus died, so who knows what Jesus actually said and what ‘pass the word’ changed it into before it was written (I know, I know oral history and memorization was a much more well developed skill back then [how do they know; just bc it was the primary means of telling history didn't mean the teller didn't change it]). Not to mention the translation-introduced changes since then.
A Jewish friend who just visited, wrt OT, summed it up accurately by saying: It’s just a bunch of stories.
Thanks, Masaccio. Its good to be reminded that there are still real Catholics out there.
I’m a medievalist by training. I see Vatican II as a return to the core, historical values of the Church. Pope Adolph–er, Benedict–Pope John Pole II, and the most recent pair of Pope Piuses have been the innovators. Confusing power politics with religion was hardly uncommon in the Middle Ages, Renaissance, and Reformation. But until Vatican I formally codemned Liberalism and promulgated the Infallibility claim, none of the Church’s bad actors ever dared to make political power an article of faith. Vatican II started–only started–to back away from this outrageous assertion. Hence the furious pushbacks from John Pole and Benedict.
Catholic self-discipline, intellect, and mystical/emotional attachment to the faith will outlast clerico-fascism. We just may not be able to meet in our churches for awhile.
Baptized, six years parochial school, 1st Communion, Confirmation. That religion taught me you could seek redemption and forgiveness of sins. But, you had to do Penance. You didn’t you walk out with a clean soul, you worked to earn one. And only the Lord knows when you have fulfilled your Penance, you don’t.
The Newt-ered One has confused Confession (Reconciliation) with SoBap’s “born again” cleansing.
I left the church over forty years ago over the hypocrisy of a pedophilic priesthood and the Magdalene Houses in Ireland.
The R.C.’s acceptance of Gingrich and his admittedly adulterous third wife does not conform to Canon Law as I was instructed in it.
At this point, they deserve each other.
I might point out there exist within what Rome considers “Catholicism” the Roman Church, the “Eastern Rite” Churches (Greek, Russian, Coptic, Maronite,{21 in all}),http://maryourmother.net/Eastern.html, which are considered associated with Rome but autonomous, and the Orthodox Catholic Churches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church
All in all, the further you go, the less you know.