The first was an email inviting activists to join one group in an informal cocktail hour to “celebrate” the end of the war. I found myself sitting and shaking at the thought. What celebrate? How many years and we … celebrate?
Then members of lists I’m on starting sending around their End of Iraq War posts … and it got worse.
We have, for example Tom Hayden in the LA Times writing:
As the United States completes its withdrawal from Iraq, it is worth pausing to remember the determined peace activists who opposed the war from the start, including one who took up their cause and became president.
Then Tom Matzzie wrote at Huffington Post:
Today the war in Iraq is ending. After nearly nine years our long national nightmare in Iraq is almost over. This day may not have come were it not for the years of work by all of the millions of Americans who volunteered, protested, lobbied, organized, donated, wept, prayed and voted for an end to this war. The American people have ended the war in Iraq through our democracy’s flawed but still great ability to correct itself…
This is the same movement that elected a president who opposed the start of the war and promised to end the war. This week President Obama has kept his promise to end the war in Iraq. He did not do it alone — the movement that mobilized the public was at his side.
I don’t praise the president as an act of partisan loyalty. There is plenty more for progressives to demand from this administration. But with the weight of foreign policy elites and establishment opinion pushing the president to stay in Iraq indefinitely, President Obama rejected a permanent occupation …
Matzzie’s phrase in his very first sentence about “our long national nightmare in Iraq” is quite telling as all these messages are about “us”, “our” and what “we” and “our troops” have suffered.
And then they repeat the lie that Obama kept his promise.
Let’s remember what that promise actually was:
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.
16 months – that would have been April 2010. Rather different from December 31, 2011.
And this withdrawal, 18 months after Obama’s own promised end date follows months of reports about Obama’s Pentagon begging the Iraqis to let us stay and threatening even more horrors if we left.
Of course, we also have not really left. While the troops are gone – though 4,000 will sit in Kuwait in case a “reaction force” and the 17,000 strong staff assigned to the largest US embassy anywhere will include an unannounced number of mercenaries as well as least 157 staffers “to help Iraqis acquire and then learn how to use military equipment they buy from the United States.”
Yet, if we look again at Tom Hayden piece, we discover that those of us pointing to the contradiction are just not sufficiently grateful:
Some peace activists view the fact that thousands of advisors and contractors will remain in Iraq on the U.S. Embassy payroll as evidence of a secret plan to continue the war by other means. But the war is as over as a war can be, and the peace movement should celebrate. Removing troops from Iraq will save tens of billions of dollars a year, and it will also save lives.
These posts go on to encourage us to take credit for “ending” the war, a claim hard to stomach if you remember MoveOn’s decision during Matzzie’s tenure to work against the effort to force an actual timeline for ending the war — and a hard sell when the war wound on for nine years and seemed less to end than to be transferred to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and other locations when the Iraqis proved too resistant to that full-on permanent occupation Obama continued to try to impose.
Not surprisingly, neither mention the release by the New York Times of the most appropriate memorial for withdrawal day – the Haditha testimony documents:
Iraqi civilians were being killed all the time. Maj. Gen. Steve Johnson, the commander of American forces in Anbar, in his own testimony, described it as “a cost of doing business.”
The stress of combat left some soldiers paralyzed, the testimony shows. Troops, traumatized by the rising violence and feeling constantly under siege, grew increasingly twitchy, killing more and more civilians in accidental encounters. Others became so desensitized and inured to the killing that they fired on Iraqi civilians deliberately while their fellow soldiers snapped pictures, and were court-martialed. The bodies piled up at a time when the war had gone horribly wrong.
Charges were dropped against six of the accused Marines in the Haditha episode, one was acquitted and the last remaining case against one Marine is scheduled to go to trial next year.
That sense of American impunity ultimately poisoned any chance for American forces to remain in Iraq, because the Iraqis would not let them stay without being subject to Iraqi laws and courts, a condition the White House could not accept.
For all that writers like Matzzie and Hayden think we should be celebrating and patting ourselves on the back, as American “progressives” we showed no ability to stop the war, continue to ignore what was really done to Iraq in our name — and now praise Obama for his lies? Celebration is the very last word that comes to mind.



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If Obama wants to celebrate, he could veto the Defense Authorization bill.
From a radical in SDS to an advocate of Marx to an apologist for Obama. Quite the path for Hayden. Saw him in a clip not too long ago and was disgusted.
Apparently Hayden was speaking at the “thank Obama” rally scheduled for here in Chicago but virtually no attendees showed up. David Swanson’s account here: http://warisacrime.org/content/chicago-rally-thank-obama-supposedly-ending-war-iraq-turns-30-speakers-and-10-audience-membe
thank you Siun. I ended my long membership with PDA. Progressive Democrats of America. They now have Tom hayden in charge of ending wars for them. What a sad day. My country is no longer my country.
I was literally spitting mad the other day. One news anchor had the audacity to say that we should remember that “all the troops who served in Iraq volunteered”. Yeah they volunteered all right. Most volunteered to be in the National Guard!
Righteous.
Hold this, Obama.
Asshole.
So very sad indeed.
My fave part of the wind down was teh book salon, We Meant Well, when that disgusting, flippant van Buren, held forth, without any connection to the Iraqi people at the FOB where he served. Mohammed ibn Laith showed up & told van Buren where to get off. Small potatoes, but prolly one of the few times that a U.S.ian heard directly & honestly from an Iraqi. You were there Siun.
It’s embarrassing for me as an American to be part of the atrocity in Iraq, just by association. That we are leaving behind an army of private mercenaries to continue to commit heinous acts against the civilians of Iraq makes me feel even worse.
I really miss having Gorilla’s Guides here. Mohammed particularly.
Hi Siun, it’s good to see your name again.
Yes, it’s very hard to take the deluge of liars and fools flooding every crevice of the commons with their lies, spin and dreck.
It resembles a bad magic act where the MC taunts the disappointed crowd;
“Ok, if you’re so smart, where’s the elephant?”
You don’t have to know, and be able to explain every detail of the bad illusion in order to criticize the show.
For instance, when you mention to these clowns, that there were no WMD, they often ask;
“But we thought there were at the time, what if we were right?”
So what if the curtain didn’t quite reach the floor, and you could see the elephant’s feet as he was led away, so what if the elephant’s handlers took twenty minutes to coax him out the back door.
“Come on people, the elephant disappeared, isn’t that great!
Let’s all give the magician a big round of applause!”
Siun – on a personal note, I’ve had a bit of interaction with your son here in Austin. He’s a wonderful man, a great activist, and you should be very proud :)
Just one of the things that infuriated me about the Iraq War was how Bush rushed into war before the military was prepared with a decent plan. The war was timed for Bush’s reelection. It had to happen in 2003. They figured he’d run on “Mission Accomplished” in 2004.
This “celebration” is just as political. Obama needs to claim he ended the war even though we don’t even know how many wars we are fighting right now. War has become the perpetual bipartisan state of affairs. Apparently no President can run without starting, fighting and ending wars all at the same time!
I don’t see your name in the thread. You should have been there.
Why do GG not show up at FDL anymore, except sometimes Mohammed comes on Caturday to say hello to you.
thanks for that one. I have been having a back and forth with Hayden for years because of his continued support for Obama and his warmongering. He is so self righteous about his opinion. I am glad to see no one showed up. He has to be really freaking out now that. I wonder if he gets it that people are not going to support his buddy Obama for 2012 no matter what he says.
Dunno. At first they had trouble getting in when the Lake was updating the software and we were having redirect problems but they never came back.
At long last we have no shame, no sense of decency and zero humanity.
The shining light on a hill is white phosphorus .
Bush had to start the war when he did because we marched on DC in huge numbers in January and they knew if they did not start it then, they would not get away with it. Basically only the people in DC knew we were there because of the corporate media.
There were several plans. Military had a plan of permanent occupation. Rummy had a 30-day in ‘n out plan. Then was was Brimmer’s plan. And others. All lost.
State dept had a 19-volume (or was it 19,000 pages, who can remember) nation building tome on Iraq, that was irrelevant before the ink was dry. (Imagine the hubris of the authors who worked on those documents; gag producing.)
Korean war & VN war, esp the latter, led to unconscionable destruction of the countries.
Why should Iraq have been any different. The Iraqis & Americans who were surprised at how destructive & incompetent U.S. is, didn’t study the history.
Thanks Kris – he’s mentioned meeting you and really enjoyed it! He is quite something – his tweets and text message from Houston Port Occupy sure made me proud!
Not only didn’t read the history, they acted as if it didn’t exist.
Yes, pretty amazing that kind of amnesia.
THIS time we’ll get it right.
Ya, sure.
Gonna go make some more cookies for the kiddies. BBL.
As the United States completes its withdrawal from Iraq, it is worth pausing to remember the determined peace activists who opposed the war from the start, including one who took up their cause and became president.
My bold WTF 2 years to do what he promised to do? Obama might fool TV talking heads Siun but political junkies like will not be fooled heck Newt in the lead for President is getting more stories on Lefty Blogs than peace in Iraq is.
Obama’s PR machine wants peace in Iraq to be a story at least to rouse the Left but wanting requires action this is cold oatmeal served at dinner when we have not eaten since breakfast.
Regular voters I don’t barely even noticed this story I understand your concern Siun Obama is trying to spin a story to get Cred he a day late and a dollar short on.
If he wanted Cred he could have ended both wars before they cut SS and Medicare! I don’t think Obama will get any bounce in the polls from this.
We’re an empire. We make our own reality, remember?
The Guides folks are busy at home in Iraq. You can read their posts here:
http://tinyurl.com/c2vqk94
I find that with Google translate, I can keep up with much at least in essence.
I think you underestimate the stupidity of the majority of voting sheeple.
Great google find! Bookmarked.
Of course, we also have not really left. While the troops are gone – though 4,000 will sit in Kuwait in case a “reaction force” and the 17,000 strong staff assigned to the largest US embassy
Plus how many Mercs and will Blackwater still be there? Will the troops and Mercs still there be immune from Iraqi law because they are *cough* Embassy protection troops?
Will our troops support the Iraqi government if they have an Arab Spring?
Celebrating the devastation of a country and the deaths of thousands on both sides seems shameful to me. I am glad most of our troops are coming home but I fear for the ones who remain there. Iraq will be in turmoil for years.
I think the whole thing was baked before that. The timetable was totally political. The weather dictated a spring invasion and politics dictated it could not be spring of 2004.
My reply to Mike fitzpatrick and allison swartz , congressional representatives to their rah rah bullshit in the local rag
A war of aggression tough
Torture institutionalized tough
Kidnapping and indefinite detention tough
Depleted Uranium spikes their cancer rates tough
White phosphorus , chemical warfare, used by #1 USA tough
108 suspects murdered while being questioned tough
1 million iraq citizens dead, liberated from the bounds of the earth tough
Thanks Mike and Allison, you fabulous humanitarians, for lauding what we condemned and hung the Nazis for.
To be fair to them I don’t think they are paying attention enough too be fooled by Obama’s broken promise and to be fair if you promise to be home on your kid’s birthday but show up a year later with a gift chances are your kid forgot and stopped caring about the birthday present.
Aside from talking heads is this story getting people to talk even on the blogs much?
Iraq was part of the Arab Spring – it just went unnoticed since it was so embarrassing to the US, eh?
And given who we chose to support as Arab Spring continues into winter … but that’s for a later post.
It’s fascinating to see how little information is out there about precisely who will remain in Iraq.
I still read GG.
No, we haven’t left. Our Pell Grants, infrastructure, Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security are over there for sure! We left our civil rights behind as well since they cant’t be used here.
Always a good read SD!
Some peace activists view the fact that thousands of advisors and contractors will remain in Iraq on the U.S. Embassy payroll as evidence of a secret plan to continue the war by other means. But the war is as over as a war can be, and the peace movement should celebrate. Removing troops from Iraq will save tens of billions of dollars a year, and it will also save lives.
Why should we think that when O wants to torture and detain Freaking Americans if he needs too? O lied about everything and even when he does *cough* deliver on a promise he delivers late and half of what he promises.
Suspecting O of lying about everything is a logical result of paying attention to what O says and what he actually delivers.
It’s a shocking statement by Hayden …
Indeed, the celebrations are uncalled for and certainly premature. Thanks, Siun, for highlighting this in your post.
Forgive me for being somewhat OT. Last Thurs., Dec. 8th, several hundred US troops leaving Iraq were diverted from returning to bases in Germany where they were then supposed to return to the US. These troops, in the hundreds not thousands, were flown to Jordan where they began setting up encampments near King Hussein Air Base. Sibel Edmonds, the FBI whistleblower, broke the story on her blog BoilingFrogs on Sun., the 11th. None of the MM have touched the story. Mon., the 12th, her story was independently verfied by debka.com (Note of caution: this Israeli intelligence site has ties to American neocons and, at times, has info that is suspect.). What are we planning to do in Jordan? Regime change in Syria next on the list for the US, UK, Israel, and NATO? David Swanson, Tom Englehardt, et al, have repeatedly warned us to be wary of any pause in our perpetual warfare state – the pause merely reflects a moving of military resources and no permanent dismantling of our military imperium.
Agreed good point now that the war is over Obama is still taking our cash and freedom’s just like the war was still going on so I must conclude the war is on pause and or Iran is next and he still feels he needs our cash and the ability to stop anti war protests in America if he wants.
Shameless blog-whoring, and completely off topic (Sorry Siun), but here.
My wife has a post up asking for help. She had to write a blog for a scholarship competition and a majority of the judging criteria is based on the conversation your post generates in its comments. The link to her blog post is in the diary I linked to above. Can some of you nice, intelligent, politically bent folks head over there and comment?
Kthxbye!
Agreed 13 pieces of silver shocking.
Thank you for this … let’s keep our eyes on it.
The push on Syria while not a peep on Bahrain, Egypt,etc is so telling. Support not for democracy that’s for sure.
I will be updating Bahrain later and folks should be watching Egypt today as thousands are resisting the army right now.
Apparently Hayden was speaking at the “thank Obama” rally scheduled for here in Chicago but virtually no attendees showed up. David Swanson’s account here: http://warisacrime.org/content/chicago-rally-thank-obama-supposedly-ending-war-iraq-turns-30-speakers-and-10-audience-membe
Interesting Obama’s hometown and the Daley er Rahm political machine could not get a turnout? How many people at Occupy Chicago for how many months comparing those numbers to O’s thank you rally would be funny:)
The Left can get crowds and Obama can’t with his fake victories very interesting! This needs a front page post.
This withdrawal was negotiated during the Bush administration when Maliki told Bush he wanted us out. Obama had nothing to do with it. If it was up to Obama we’d be there through his whole presidency.
It is a time to mourn and repent in sackcloth and ashes, to atone for this horrible sin and the human greed and vanity that prolonged it. And we will continue to suffer the consequences as the soldiers bring back all the anger, pain, guilt and violence of that war when they come home, not to mention the generations of terrorists we have created in the children whose homes have been wrecked and their parents killed. It is far, far from being over.
There was a mention I heard of meetings at the WH for activists where they discussed their responses to the “end of the war” – I don’t know who was there or what was said but sure have seen a lot of “consistent messaging” floating around.
Amen.
Siun, I could hug you for calling bullshit on all the “the war is over” nonsense.
Anyone with a brain in their head, and enough honesty to use it, knows that the factional shit is going to hit the fan. In fact, it already is starting up again…
Understand; there is no way that staying would prevent it from happening, nor, make it better. It’s going to be a natural result of the simple truth that the only way what used to be Iraq is going to stay together is for someone to make it happen by force. Now, there is no one left to do that, and the country is going to fragment, and should…even with all of the attendant problems that will almost certainly create.
Obama’s problem is that when it happens, he won’t have the clout to withstand the fallout from it. If, as Siun points out, he’d had the courage to get us out 2 and 1/2 years ago, the result in Iraq would be the same, but he could have used the political mojo he still had, to remind everyone of the savage idiocy of Bush’s lying us into the war, in the first place. Instead, now he’s on board with all of the nouveau “mission accomplished” bullshit.
6 months from now, in the heat of the election campaign, with the factional Iraqi chickens looking like pterodactyls coming in to roost, I believe there is going to be a heavy political price to pay for his waiting to get us out. So be it.
What GG think about the possibility of war with Iran?
I assume we left behind so many troops so that if Iran attacks we will have to save our troops its the same plan we have in South Korea.
Good point. If Obama didn’t have the Bush fig leaf to hide under, he wouldn’t have the guts to even claim he was ending the war. At that, he must at all times keep other wars going and yet more wars planning so that he can always be framed as our Warrior in Chief except on the rare occasions when someone like Hayden is lead around on a leash to give a photo op for the “progressive” press so that Ed and Rachel and Larry can be kept busying crowing about peace while the rest of the party is bragging about their zeal for more war.
I am sure Iraq is in for a bad time … we made certain of it by fostering, buying and arming sectarian thugs a la “the Salvador Option”
What should happen next is for Iraqis to chose but I know there is a strong desire to keep the country unified.
First of all I feel like I was reading a story written by a Rethuglican! Now lets pause for a minute a consider the simple fact that the war in Iraq is over and all our troops are coming home…………..Lets take some time to appreciate that fact! Of course we can complain that it took longer than promised and we will still have a bunch of privateers there and Im sure there are other reasons to complain too! But remember if we voted for McCain we would still be in Iraq, as well as Iran and god knows where else. Obama did not start this war but he did end it, thanks to all who faught to end it. This we can be thankful for. I know and appreciate the frustration you all feel I too feel that way especially the lost of life especially innocent Iraqis. This was a terrible, terrible war and at least we should be able to celebrate the fact it is over.
Amen, amen
Siun…! I always celebrate your presence here at the Lake…! ;-)
Hayden and all have obviously never served a day in uniform…! 8-(
“Peace in IraQ”…
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/17/world/meast/iraq-politics/index.html?eref=rss_world&utm_source=feedburner&
With about 85% of their oil in the south, and with most of the other 15% in the three Kurdish provinces, “autonomy” is becoming a cottage industry there…and probably, a euphemism for “independence”.
6 months from now, maybe sooner, the nitrogenous waste is going to be hitting the fan. It’ll be very interesting to see if Obama is willing to sit back and let it happen, with the attendant political hit he’ll take…or if he’ll go back in to save “Greater Iraq”.
Another thing to keep in mind when you hear them all slobbering about their support for the valiant service of “OUR” troops is that many of these men and women were in the Guard or the Reserves. Many already had public service jobs at the federal, state or local level and these are often the very same people who are being asked to sacrifice again in the war on public employees.
Suin, Sorry to hear about your illness, but Welcome back to writing – I was worried when I did not see your posts (we differ in our opinions on some topics – but your voice is needed at FDL – and we do agree on many things :-) )
I like how the White House is pitching the withdrawal as “Obama kept his 2008 promise” – ignoring how hard he tried not to withdraw via leaving a large number of troops to “train” Iraqis. And of course ignoring the fact that we left solely because the government of Iraq told us to get out. And ignoring the fact that Obama’s ignoring the Biden proposal for partitioning into 3 new states has planted the seeds of civil war as the Sunni population is noting the Shia government is not trying very hard for their approval – of anything – and indeed that Iran’s Shia government is now the largest investor/briber of gov workers/BFF of the Iraq government.
Great move by Bush – with a great follow-up by Obama /s
Democracynow did several segments yesterday.
Destroying Iraq.
Iraqi deaths.
A particularly poignant one for me, influence on women.
Thanks Papau! I’m hoping to write some more … energy levels remain … iffy.
Thank you, Siun, for a very keen and much needed perspective.
Tom Hayden’s comments are especially disgusting. Calling Obama the Con Man a “determined peace activist” is like calling the circus fat man who loses ten pounds after a bout with the flu a determined weight loss advocate. Not only did the war end 19 months later than promised, but Obama was pushing to extend the war indefinitely into the future. Let’s thank the Iraqi government for finally saying no.
If we are going to praise an American president for the war’s end, then let’s praise the sociopath who started it: George W. Bush. The war ended on his timeline, not on Obama’s promised one or Obama’s desired, infinite one.
Yes! I felt those same sentiments when I viewed the Casing of the Colors ceremony. Our war in Iraq is a mark of shame.
Heh. Zogby ran a noontime webinar one day last week about the Egyptian elections. I typed in a Q asking how much the U.S. was supporting the Egyptian military, which he chose to answer wrt to Camp David accords.
So I clarified that was not what I meant, but rather the widely reported covert U.S. programs to undermine the democracy movement in Egypt.
Guess what? Zogby chose to ignore those Qs, LOL. But at least they appeared in print in the commentary log alongside the screen, and was prolly one of the few times some one had the nerve to ask a D.C. insider such a Q in public.
I haven’t gone back to check, but guessing they have been disappeared from the ‘official’ record.
A few months ago I spoke with a troop on his way to Iraq, but at the end of the conversation he said he wasn’t actually going to Iraq, but to Kuwait and then would be going into Iraq from there.
President Obama is a better politician than I have given him credit for.
You check out the new laws and they allow him to be dictator – legally. His phony protestations of veto smelled all along.
Now he has tremendous power for good. Think the top 5 layers of the Bush administration tossed into Gitmo with no recourse, no lawyers, no constitutional rights and no reasons need to be given. Think the heads of the top ten banking firms thrown into military custody for questioning at foreign black sites. Think all of the billionaires that fund the anti-worker, anti-women, anti-voting and pro-corporate personhood laws, giving it all up for financing terrorists.
Welcome back, Siun. Glad to have you posting again.
Please though, no pictures of Obama like the one that accompanies this. [At least his back is turned, and we don't have to view his obnoxious, self-satisfied "smile."]
I’m more revolted by seeing him than I was at seeing Bush. At least with Bush a large segment of the non-crazy populace knew he was a sociopath and a fraud. With Obama, unfortunately, not so much.
Oh yeah, THAT’s gonna happen — NOT!
I much prefer the semi-frown & twitchy look O gets when he is not receiving the adulation he thinks he deserves.
[reply to eCAHN]: Yeah, he really gets pissed off if anyone disagrees with him and fails to “honor” him.
The Repubs have his “tells” down pat.
If you’re enthralled with this, did you praise George Bush at the time for negotiating the SOFA agreement? Tom Hayden surely sure didn’t. He was having apoplexy in 2008 because it would “bind” some saintly future president to a preventive detention clause.
And yet the “future president” whose victory he is now celebrating came out in favor of preventive detention in 2009.
Let’s not pretend Obama wanted this (he didn’t), that he wasn’t lobbying against it, or that the Iraqis would not have done exactly to McCain what they did to Obama. The truth has to be a foundation for any discussion.
Only over for Merkuns. And not even that.
If you didn’t get a chance to watch Democracy Now on Friday do so if you can. Several Iraqi’s are on with A. Goodman talking about the total destruction of their country.
on Friday, the 16 of December, Democracy Now, was outstanding.
By way, this is the one year anniversary of the death of the brutalized Tunisian lad that set of the movements in the middle east.
My objection is practically generic. For ANYONE to be talking about “success”, or “winning”, or using any other word or phrase that does anything but excoriate the people responsible for creating this bloody clusterfuck (Bush and his confederacy of corporate warbots…) AND excoriate the people responsible for sustaining it for another three years (Obama and HIS wretched administration) is an obscene distortion of the truth.
I’m glad we’re out. That had to happen, but it should have happened within about 90 days of Barack Obama taking office. At that time, he had the clout and the clear mandate to do just that. Instead, as seems to be genetic with him, he just wouldn’t confront the assholes who created the misery he inherited, and instead, dithered and diddled around until it became obvious that enough Iraqis were going to hold him responsible for the SOFA exit agreement that staying, with the likely prospect of a renewed insurgency, was going to be politically worse for him than leaving.
This way, if the shit hits the fan, it will be “only” Iraqis dying…a great big moral “whoopee!”…to go along with the high praise for Obama’s “courage” in finally getting us out.
Agree.
And wikileaks played a huge role in ending U.S. troop occupation of Iraq and in launching the other ME uprisings, so how appropriate that Manning should make his first public appearance on that date.
This situation is very reminiscent of the Viet Nam era, Nixon claimed on the campaign trail, to have a ‘secret plan’ to get us out of Viet Nam.
The war went on and on, and nearly half of the casualties happened during his terms.
I still run into young-republican types who try to play the Nixon-got-us-out-of-VN card.
Jane, I just saw your link to Greenwald’s piece.
Clack! 8 ball in the side pocket. Thanks. :o)
And just as bad is the whole “BODY COUNT” menatlity of many worshipers of the Democrats.
These people have been jumping into every thread to “celebrate and admire” the Democrats because they killed more “terrorists” than the Republicans… and claiming it to be a great “achievement”… and therefor we should all vote for Democrats and send them money.
WAR is nothing more than a POLITICAL TOOL to the Corrupt Democrats and Corrupt Republicans… a sick vote getting scheme.
The Republicans always have done this… now BOTH partys are doing it… this is what it’s come to.
Endless war…is still policy and as tanbark said “I’m glad we’re out.” The blood letting violence, torture and inhumanitarian behavior is a world wide disease. I am happy our troops have been removed. The foolishness of taking out the Sunni regime will be apparent as the Iranian Shites will expand their power. The USA MIC wanted to surpress them…instead they empowered them. Must be the destabilization policy of “Shock Doctrine”. Peace is not the goal of the MOTU that is clear.
This is a great article and almost all the comments are really insightful. Thanks.
I want to add that I was disgusted with the ceremonies and speeches of Obama to the military. One thing that so bugged me was his praise of the military’s work in Iraq. If the whole thing was wrong, as he stated when it started and which statement he used in his run for the Presidency, then how can he praise and thank the troops for their “good work” in doing a terrible thing? But now he seems to agree with all the right wingers that our occupation was a “noble” thing.
I don’t think those of us against war should be mean to veterans and current members of the military. But I don’t think thanking them for their noble service is the right thing. I think it would be better to say, “I am so sorry you were sent to an unnecessary and evil occupation and the horrors of war you went through when it was so wrong to be there. You and the people of Iraq did not deserve that.”
The Rude Pundit does a great job of expressing my feelings about the Iraq War:
What Barack Obama Should Have Said While Announcing the End of the Iraq War (Rude Version):
President Obama gave a speech at Fort Bragg yesterday to declare the end of the 8.75 year war in Iraq. It was measured and vague. Here’s what he should have said:
“More than 1.5 million Americans have served in Iraq. 1.5 million. Over 30,000 Americans have been wounded, and those are only the wounds that show. Nearly 4,500 Americans made the ultimate sacrifice. To all of them, to all of you, and to your families, I just want to say, ‘We’re sorry.’ I mean, holy shit are we sorry. We can’t say how sorry we are. I could have a couple of hundred thousand prostitutes ready to fuck each and every one of you, and that wouldn’t scratch the surface of how sorry we are. By the way, we do not have those prostitutes because John Boehner refused to fund them.
“I look out there on all of your tired, confused, if relieved faces. Some of you have fond memories of building schools or playgrounds, of happy Iraqi children smiling at you, of people thanking you for ridding the nation of Saddam Hussein. But you’re all wondering, ‘What the fuck was that for?’ And, to be honest, I cannot tell you. I can tell you that it was all a colossal clusterfuck and a waste of time and lives and money, for several reasons.
“First, within the next few years, Iraq is going to descend into chaos, and there is not a goddamned thing we can do about it unless we want to overthrow the government and install someone who is totally our puppet and stay there in large numbers forever. But, c’mon, if these fuckers wanna kill each other, it’s gonna happen, whether it’s Shi’ites from Iran or Sunnis from Syria making the violence roll. People gotta start this shit from within. That’s what we learned this year in places like Tunisia and Libya. And it could still end up with fucking chaos.
“Second, you’re returning to an America that this war, among other things, has serious fucked up. You’re not gonna get jobs. You’re not gonna get the help you need. If you’re on unemployment, we can’t even guarantee that that’ll last. Sure, sure, I can say that we passed the Post-9/11 G.I. Bill, so that you and your families can get the education that allows you to live out your dreams. That includes a national effort to put our veterans to work. We’ve worked with Congress to pass a tax credit so that companies have the incentive to hire vets. And Michelle has worked with the private sector to get commitments to create 100,000 jobs for those who’ve served. But, c’mon. We’ve fucked ourselves with our own dicks. And when push comes to shove, you know those Republican cocksuckers in Congress will cut your benefits so that Johnny Billionaire can afford more cocaine and bigger tits for his wife and daughter.
“Now, I wanna be honest with you. I wanted to leave about 3000 of you there, along with the thousands of mercenaries we’ve hired, to keep the peace and so that these fuckers back here in DC wouldn’t say that I’m wimping out or that I failed. Yeah, I’m talkin’ to you, John McCain. Shut your whore mouth, or you’ll see the backside of my pimp hand. It’s sad but true that the filthy game of politics infected this sore. The RNC probably already has an ad online about what a pussy I am, even if we are leaving an embassy and 15,000 Americans, including a couple of hundred soldiers.
“Some of you may be wondering why we’re not declaring ‘Victory’ today. That’s because there hasn’t been victory. There was never gonna be a victory because there was never a real goal. There has only been shame brought upon the nation and death and destruction brought to the Iraqis. Oh, and purple ink for voting. There was that. When he started the war, President Bush said, clearly, ‘Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly, yet our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.’ That was a miserable lie made by a motherfucker who was trying to act tough. This war was the indulgence of a United States that the previous administration wrecked.
“So I apologize for this war. Yes, I have blood on my hands from my own violence against the world. But not this anymore. We’re exiting Iraq because we never should have been there in the first place. I apologize for this war that was forced on you by George W. Bush and his advisers. The only proper punishment would be to have them all on stage here, all of ‘em, Bush, Cheney, Condi, Colin Powell, Rumsfeld, Doug Feith, everyone who ever lied to you about WMDs and Saddam Hussein’s connection to 9/11, everyone who worked to frighten the American public into a savage froth, each and every one of these cunts, Tony Blair, all the leaders in the coerced coalition of the willing, all of the war profiteers who made millions of dollars.
“And then we’d make them drop their pants. And we’d let all of you line up to fuck them in the ass. The women soldiers can use strap-ons or their fists. That’s right: fuck them until they collapse. Fuck them until they can’t breathe. Fuck the mechanical heart right out of Cheney’s despicable mouth. Fuck them for everyone who died, for everyone who’s fucked up, for everyone who can’t sleep without having nightmares. Fuck them for the Jessica Lynch lie and for Pat Tillman. Fuck them with a spider hole and Saddam’s statue and a ‘Mission Accomplished’ banner and yellow cake uranium. Fuck them with IEDs and Abu Ghraib leashes. Fuck them for Halliburton and Blackwater. Fuck them in Fallujah and Mosul and Baghdad. Fuck them with shock. Fuck them with awe. And when they’re done being fucked and their asses are ripped up and they’re on the ground, contemplating what just happened to them, we’ll dump vats of blood on them, the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were killed because of the madness inflicted on two nations, on the world. And then we’ll give ‘em to the Hague.
“That’s what we should do. But we won’t. Because that’d be divisive. And Lord knows I wouldn’t want to be divisive.”
Anybody know what the world’s largest embassy personnel do with their time?
Here’re my guesses. Besides the security guys, half the others are spooks, 1/10 are sent out to do useless ‘projects’ at FOBs, and 40% are running the Iraq government. I think I’ve read that a huge % of elected reps are out of the country and never show up for parliament; not sure if same applies to cabinet. But if it does, then staffs have not been appointed, hired, and government doesn’t work.
Considering the stellar job that the USG does in running itself, and the destroyed state of everything in Iraq, one can only shake one’s head in despair that USG is running Iraq.
Puppet Government run by advisers? How long will that last with Sadr standing by?
Well, now that the “security” rests with Iraquis I think that one thing they’ll be doing is shouting “incoming!” with increasing frequency.
Let’s not forget the Iraq Sanctions Regime, the “near-total financial and trade embargo imposed by the United Nations Security Council …” (Wikipedia) on Iraq. This prompted the infamous statement by former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright about the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children during this period being worth it.
Beginning with sanctions,Iraq has suffered what amounts to a holocaust, for which the U.S. ruling elite bares full responsibility.
Oh, and of course this is all being replayed at this very moment, with Iran now cast in the role of the great threat to the U.S. and the world. And morons like Chris Matthews are all-in when it comes spreading the same mushroom cloud nonsense we heard about Iraq.
Precisely – and thanks for raising the sanctions, the all too forgotten phase of our war on Iraq.
Of course the Nazis didn’t have depleted uranium munitions that keep causing misery for generations.
Hayden’s nincompoopery dates back to the ’68 convention, when it was obvious that a confrontation in Chicago was exactly what the power elite wanted. Nevermind that Nixon was being anointed in Miami without so much as a whimper.
we can never make up to the Iraqi people for the evil that we have done.
But we should make an effort to pay reparations…. in the trillions of $$$$.
The occupation is over?