So today Gallup has decided to point out that Obama has the second-lowest approval rating (after Jimmy Carter) in the oh-so-critical make-or-break “November of his third year in office” of any elected president since World War II, which certainly doesn’t sound arbitrary at all.
They go on to observe that presidents with approval ratings under 50% on Election Day don’t generally get re-elected, with the implication that Obama’s 43% approval rating does not bode well for his chances if it doesn’t improve before then. And intuitively, that makes sense: If more than half of the population doesn’t like the incumbent, they’re not going to get a majority of the vote, right?
But here’s the thing: No president runs for election in a vacuum, or against “Generic Democrat” or “Generic Republican.” Carter and Bush I weren’t just unpopular, they also had to run against skilled and charismatic politicians in Reagan and Clinton (plus a strong third-party candidate in Poppy’s case). Bush II, on the other hand, got to put his 48% approval rating up against John Kerry, who was an uninspiring stiff and still almost won.
The incumbent doesn’t have to have a 50+ approval rating, just a majority of voters who prefer him to the alternative. The lower the approval rating, the worse the alternative has to be for the incumbent to still be preferable, but it’s not impossible.
Keep that in mind when trying to predict the outcome next year. Obama is very unpopular, and deservedly so, but consider the alternatives. He will be facing either Mitt Romney, who is like a Republican Kerry with less love from his base, or a right-wing caricature like Gingrich or Perry or Bachmann. Not only that, but Obama is a better campaigner than any of the Republicans – although it will be interesting to see how well his inspiring rhetoric works the second time around after everyone’s seen how hollow it is.
If Romney doesn’t say or do anything epically tone-deaf at an inopportune moment, and if the GOP base holds their noses and turns out, I can see a majority of voters choosing him over Obama. But I think Obama would have to be at least 10-15 points lower than he is now (which could well happen) before a majority of voters would consider any of the far-right clowns to be a definite improvement.
There’s an old joke about two hikers who are ambushed by a bear. One of them quickly swaps his boots for sneakers, explaining to the other, “I don’t have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you.” Obama doesn’t have to outrun the bear. He just has to outrun Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich.




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Eli!
Buzz!
‘Bush II, on the other hand, got to put his 48% approval rating up against John Kerry, who was an uninspiring stiff and still
almosthad to steal it to win’Bumper sticker!
“Obama ’12: Just not-sucky enough to win”
LOL
And yes, I’m aware that there are other factors, like turnout (more likely to be depressed on the Dem side than the GOP side, even if Romney is the nominee) or the possibility of a third-party candidate. But the post is already too long as it is.
“Obama is very unpopular, and deservedly so, but consider the alternatives. He will be facing either Mitt Romney, who is like a Republican Kerry with less love from his base, or a right-wing caricature like Gingrich or Perry or Bachmann.”
So its gonna be Obama vs Romney, or Obama vs Gingrich, or Obama vs Perry, or Obama vs Bachmann…….
I’m gonna go puke.
Oh, backing down already?
ELI!
With the fluidity of the events occurring nationally and globally at this time and as far off the rails as the Republicans are right now, it’s WAY to early to make a prediction but I will say this: I can’t imagine anybody but Willard offering Obama a serious challenge and only a cursory look at his past positions will reveal more epic flip-flops than almost certainly anybody in Congress right now. A lot will depend on the economy but Newtie, Michelle, Goodhair, Frothy, Hands On Herman nor
JohnRonGaltPaul are going to be President.Also, I couldn’t really work this into the post, but it is a fun thing to play with:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx
Obama’s approval rating actually tracks Clinton’s and Carter’s pretty well so far, and is well below both Bushies.
Eli
My money is on whoever Karl’s voting machines pick.
Imagine 50 million people puking at the same time!
MARGARET!
Romney is by far the biggest threat to Obama. He has baggage, but he’ll be a lot harder to marginalize.
It could happen!
Had to run to the toilet real quick to barf after reading that sentence.
Unfortunately, no matter who the Republicans nominate, it’s still going to be Obama on the Democratic side. When four more years of Obama is your best-case scenario, that’s a pretty depressing thought.
I wish I’d said that. Totally agree. The media and the rest of the establishment lurvs them some Willard.
Like ‘em or not, they knew how to connect with voters.
Not sure which came first. There is also a cliche that it doesn’t matter how well you ski, only that you ski better than your best friend.
No shit!
Speak for urself.
It’s the Après-ski that matters.
Would that be the dogz on the roof of the car?
Do/Did you ski?
I am real curious to see how often that comes up. I think it’s one of those little character things that could be really damaging, but Obama would probably have to bring it up through surrogates or risk looking petty.
No, I was just fucking with you.
There’s someway it could be a great poster…
He could have Chevy Chase act it out in a video.
Maybe with a trickledown reference…
As in “who can be this dumb?”….Lots of dog lovers in this country.
Thank you…LOL. Made my cat jump….;)
Or worse, considering he just broke a campaign promise and approved the slaughter of horses for human consumption
Or maybe tie it together with his vulture capitalism, i.e.: “This is how Mitt Romney treats his employees (stats about layoffs/liquidations)… This is how Mitt Romney treats his dog… How will he treat YOU?”
Gotta figger out way of going viral. LOL.
That most certainly will be a factor. Those who refuse to choose between two Rs will sit this election out.
Very, very good….Or ask the dog who she’s going to vote for.
In the interest of PC, I’ll give you a pass on that comment. :-)
On edit: I don’t give very many passes, so mind yourself. Like Sark, I might decide to DEMAND obedience. :-)
Check this out for a possible Obama ad
Harvard Faculty Club, in 1960s, had horse meat on them menu.
Lumping Romney and Gingrich together as Obama’s putative opponents is disingenuous. Romney is electable; Newt isn’t.
The question is, will the loudmouths in the snake-handling wing of the GOP be able to deprive Romney of the nomination? I don’t think so. I still think that the republicans want to get Obama out of the the White House. It’s an emotional crusade, and enough of them understand reality to know that with Gingrich, they can’t do that. Romney isn’t adored by what Eli very broadly calls “the base”, but when the chips are down, and Gingrich’s crazy shtick has scared off too many voters, they will piss and moan; make some rants at the convention, and then fall in line. At least, I think that’s what will happen.
With the size and stench of the long-deferred bushCo/Obama chickens which are due to start coming home soon, I think that right now is going to be the calm before the 2012 storm. Within the next 6 months, the american political landscape is going to go through some earth tremors that I don’t think will favor Barack Obama. Nor should they. He’s one hell of a lame duck, and anyone who thinks he isn’t needs to tell us why they think the republicans who are clearly ascendant in congress, will help him mount enough of a salvage operation to get out of that duck-status.
But it was seared and braised.
Mitt has a thing with dogs, doesn’t he?
Never ordered it. Was not a foodie at the time. So no idea how it was prepped. Perhaps gooley knowz.
Hind quarter.
So I didn’t make it up. Link.
Ate in a restaurant in Luxemborg a few years back. Horse was all that was on the menu. Prepared a dozen different ways.
Ever since the Wisconsin labor protests in the spring, it has been clear that there is a vast angst amongst working Americans that could be tapped by the right 3rd party Progressive. Obama works the margins of it only, GOP’ers think they’ll once again be able to sell Trickle Down to it.
And obviously since OWS exploded, there is a fairly paved road now for somebody to front that angst. Like a Bernie Sanders or a Robert Reich or a Van Jones, etc. I will not be surprised to see someone of that ilk announce over the winter. Nobody now declared can do it, and it’s wide open.
– Balkingpoints / www
Are you sure you’re not thinking of Sanctimonious Santorum?
A campaign ad for Mittens.
You guys are sooo sarcastic. You NEVER give a woman credit for on-site evidence. :-)
If y’all hadn’t noticed, we’re mostly better observers of hooman race than males.
I agree that it’ll probably be Mitt, no one has jumped into the race that I can seriously imagine knocking him off. The teabaggers are certainly crazy enough to back one of the wingnuts, but I don’t think it’ll be enough. I also don’t see any of them raising as much money as Mitt, which will eventually be decisive.
If it’s Mitt, it’s a toss-up that will probably be decided by events that haven’t happened yet. And even with Mitt, the GOP base will probably be a lot less demoralized than the Democratic base – as you say, getting rid of Obama is a crusade for the GOP base, and keeping him is not one for the Democratic base.
All that being said, Mitt is *still* a flip-flopping tone-deaf stiff who won’t fire up his base as much as a crazy tea party darling would, and I don’t know if anyone’s going to be able to match the oceans of money Obama is supposedly going to raise. Even if it’s Mitt, Obama can still win, but it’ll be a lot harder, and he won’t be able to use Plan A (“Look how scary the crazy Republican is!”).
Yeah, he is like the second-to-last person on earth (after Michael Vick) who should ever use that phrase.
Like this?
Santorum: It’s not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be. It is one thing. And when you destroy that you have a dramatic impact on the quality —
AP: I’m sorry, I didn’t think I was going to talk about “man on dog” with a United States senator, it’s sort of freaking me out.
Link.
Bet it didn’t taste like chicken.
Have given a bit of thought to this subject, derivative of deer hunting on my property.
I did some horse riding a couple of decades ago. Absolutely love them.
Decided that human emotional connection stemmed from the fact that horses are not only spectacularly beautiful, but also were the primary, nonfoot, means of human transportation for thousands of years. Can’t have that kind of long-term relationship without absolutely falling in love with them.
Ditto dogs. There are more dog species, all devolved from wolves, bc humans love them so much and in so many diff ways.
Thus the taboo on eating them
If I remember correctly, just about every part of the anatomy was available on the menu.
A billion folks can’t be wrong.
What did you order?
And (to quote the psychiatrist) “How did that make you feel?”
x2
Oh, sorry, that’s donkey.
Definitely not like chicken, but the dish I ordered was palatable, although it is definitely something you need to acquire a taste for.
Don’t get me started about dogs. My take is that certain breeds are more evolved than many members of another species that I will not mention.
I’m not sure. The menu was in French and I was hungry, so I just pointed.
And what does ass taste like?
So how did you come across this restaurant anyhow?
Just passing through on my way back to Holland after a day trip to the capital of Luxemborg. In Holland to visit my son who was playing soccer there.
Really depends on how many drinks you’ve had.
John Kerry, who was an uninspiring stiff and still almost won.
Should’ve won…! Ohio’s ’04 vote was blatantly stolen, there’s your real-life Vote fraud the Goopers are always railing about…! *gah*
Aloha, Eli…! Another great post…! *g*
Alhoa, CTut…! Thanks!
Both Kerry and Mitt look like something in Madame Tussaud’s place.
Brings to mind the song Looking for love in all the wrong places.
I referred to Mitt as “Bizarro Kerry” a while back, but no one had any idea what I was talking about…
Bizarro Kerry put dog on roof, go for drive!
They’re just as responsive, eh…? ;-)
Obama vs. Romney is what the Gooper establishment wants.
Obama vs. not-Romney is what the Gooper primary-voter faction appears to want. They seem to be settling on the amphibian as not-Romney. not-Romney will not be any of:
So it appears that Newt is the last critter standing among the not-Romney crew. Both Newt and Romney have higher negatives among R’s than Obama does with his base. It’s going to be the reverse of the 2008 election when independents and Democrats were in love with hope-and-change. This time, the cry will be more like, “whose suckage factor is lower?”
I am not convinced Kerry wanted to win. somewhere along the way,maybe after the swift boating, I think he figured it was not for him. So Ohio was just a good way to say good bye.
I think they’re very much afraid of choosing the national version of Christine O’Donnell…
I’m amazed he even came *close* to winning after saying he would still have voted for the AUMF if he could do it all over again. WTF?
And that would in reference to which of the dwarves, Eli?
Just about any of them except Mitt. Or Huntsman, but that was never going to happen anyway.
Clinton got 43% (??) in ’92 and 47% (??) in ’96. Bush got less than 50% in 2000. And did Bush get 50% in 2004?
I turned 18 in 1990. 2008 was the first election I recall having a very clear winner on Election Day.
I’m pretty sure Bush got more than 50% in 2004 (by a couple million?), but came close to losing the electoral college in a reversal of 2000.
I never accused him of being particularly bright either.
That sounds right. I just remember it was 75,000 or so votes in Ohio… and I’m too tired to wiki it… zzz…
Ohio was the decisive blow, electorally…! 8-(
In the whole field, Huntsman is the one that would likely give Obama a serious race. But somehow he never caught on.
Of course, he’s the sort of conservative Republican the base doesn’t seem to care for.
Actually, a ‘sudden’ shift of 400,000 votes in Ohio was the final arbiter…! Ohio’s Exit polling had Kerry well ahead too…! 8-(
My two cents: Obama is in trouble. He has to do a masterful job of getting out the vote. Of course, it is a long way off but the economy matters and europe is also in the mix to mess things up. I think he will continue along making major errors along the way and alienating more voters. For me, I doubt I will even vote living in a super red district in a super red state. But I buy popcorn.
Like is O going to veto the indefinite detention bill? Or not?
Remember that many of the MSM outlets had already called Ohio for Kerry during Election nite…!
He best veto it, but, he won’t…! Rahmbo’s ‘f*cking ret*rds’ has left an indelible scar upon Obummer’s psyche…!
The question is, will the loudmouths in the snake-handling wing of the GOP be able to deprive Romney of the nomination?
This comment is win.
However I’m disappointed that Eli talked about “The Bear” and yet didn’t link to the Reagan reelection campaign’s ad, “The Bear”.
Awesome awesome work by Hal Riney. The bear as a metaphor for the Soviet Union that even the dumbest voter would catch; the moderate tone (“if there is a bear”), the arresting final scene of the bear confronted by a man (with a rifle over his shoulder) and then the bear starts backing up! I love this ad. Oh well, some other post then, I’ll link to it (just kidding).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA
I’d love to see polling on “Generic OWS Candidate” vs Obama vs Gooper Idjit_01.
Of course then we would have to endure watching both parties committing brazen election fraud to keep the Non-1% candidate out of office. And that would be even more depressing than watching our militarized police arrest thousands of people for “illegal camping.”
…and yet didn’t link to the Reagan reelection campaign’s ad, “The Bear”.
*heh* It’s still a Poly Sci textbook example…! Right beside ‘Willie Horton’, and Dukakis’ Tank ride…! ;-)
Well, you might be correct as to the inevitability of Romney, but at this point the polls are saying something quite different.
The first contests loom immediately ahead. The Iowa caucus is January 3. The New Hampshire primary is one week later. The holidays likely freeze the contest as of December 24.
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Romney is going to have to rely on New Hampshire as a firebreak against the amphibian. And it’s not looking like that’s going to be as trivially easy as it ought to be.
If the amphibian gets to SC and FL and Supertuesday with Iowa and New Hampshire committed to him, I think Romney will be toast.
Yep.
…I think Romney will be toast.
He’s certainly milquetoast already…! ;-)
Hold up you’all. There is NO WAY that Obama should have ever gotten into the WH in the first place. There is no way that he has any right whatsoever to stay there now. He has committed many too many impeachable acts and crimes, and today’s unemployment figures are just another example of the fraud that’s going on. It’s just not true. He is not capable of the responsibility that comes with presidenthood. Invoke the 25th Amendment Section 4 and get him out of the WH right away. Sure he could write a letter to congress asking for his job back, but that can take up to 21 days and by that time, the Glass Steagall standard could be reinstated and Wall Street Closed Permanently. He wouldn’t want to come back to that because there would be a move away from sanity to reality and that is something he can’t face. Don’t worry, he’s not even gonna make it as far as the next election, how do I know:
Either we impeach him or he blows up the world, with World War Three.
Take your pick.
Superb post, Eli. Really very good thinkin’
Are you serious alicewolf about some of the statements your making. I agree that Obama is not going to make it in 2012 but impeach what??? FRAUD??? Washington is all fraud…always has been. The guy I seen as blowing up the world was McCain. You must be from the South.
although it will be interesting to see how well his inspiring rhetoric works the second time around after everyone’s seen how hollow it is.
this time around, all obama has is ‘those mean republicans wouldn’t do anything I asked them to even though I licked their feet.’ It’ll be tough to rhetorically flourish that, even for such a talented bullshiter
A bunch of obamabot’s will keep on eating obama’s sh*t-pie, but there won’t be nearly enough of them to win. The great uninformed masses won’t be swallowing that turd.
The strategy for the PTB if they truly want to keep Obama will be to have the least palatable “opposing” candidate the diminished ranks of Republicans can be herded into supporting. That’s what happened in 2008. There was no other reason to have a McCain/Palin ticket and make fun of the latter. It is all a charade with these two groups of falsitymongers.
There are and will be alternatives to this farce.