
Possible Senior Bank Lover Timothy Geithner (photo: CAP)
We share the goal of wanting a more stable financial system. We share the goal of wanting a more progressive tax system. The only real questions are — what’s the best way to do that?”
What evidence is there for this nonsense? This is the crowd that didn’t have the stomach to stand up for a crystal-clear campaign promise to raise taxes on the rich, which is how we get a “more progressive tax system”. This is the crowd that couldn’t stand up to the Derivatives Emperor, Jamie Dimon, whose balance sheet is now festooned with a notional value of $77 trillion in various types of derivatives.
But wait, perhaps there are arguments to be made for the rejection of a financial transactions tax, also called a Tobin Tax, strongly supported by the French and the German Finance Ministers? Let’s see.
1. It would make trading more volatile, because, well, just because. Here is the explanation from the Financial Times:
An analogy: if I have to pay a charge whenever I use a cash machine, I make fewer, larger withdrawals and the amount of money in my wallet fluctuates more widely.
See, the reason I withdraw more is that the cost is the same whether I withdraw £100 or £500. If it costs £2 to do a withdrawal, that’s 2% on £100, and .4% on £500. On the other hand, if the fee is .4%, regardless of the amount withdrawn, then it doesn’t make any difference how much you withdraw, the percentage is the same. So, that doesn’t make any sense.
In fact, one cause of volatility is high-frequency trading. Remember the flash crash? Remember the part where the professionals left the market as it crashed, dumping losses on actual traders? A micro-tax hurts those clowns, who are sucking money out of every trade, and will reduce volatility.
2. Investors will evade the tax. Well, sure they will try, and there would be no one to stop them, would there? Because Heaven Forbid that anyone would take legal action against tax evaders, like indicting them. No one could possibly imagine how we might detect the cheats. The default position of the administration is admiration for cheats, not indictment, so much so that they capitulate in advance.
3. Investors will leave the country and execute their trades in some friendly state. First, high-frequency traders won’t be doing that, and if they do, great. That’s some other stock exchange where they will be doing their business, because the key to that business is co-location with the computers that handle stock trades. But if the rest of us insist on execution in the US, we get away from the HFT influence on trades, one step in the direction of actual markets.
Second, this argument is directed at mutual funds and hedge funds. That’s easy to fix: impose a tax on payments made by off-shore entities when their money comes into the US. So, when a shareholder sells a mutual fund located in the Cayman Islands, or a rich guy gets money out of a hedge fund located on the Isle of Man, the tax is 50%. See how easy that was?
4. It would cost jobs to tax financial transactions. The financial business is losing people anyway as the rest of us lose interest in their success. Why should they be different from all the other people who lost their jobs because of the depredations of the Oligarchy? If only the fired people were banksters instead of tellers.
5. The tax would fall on pension plans. At least this one didn’t come from the administration; it’s from the Financial Times guy. He doesn’t seem to understand that pensions, including IRAs and 401(k)s aren’t big traders; they buy and hold for the long term. They aren’t going to pay enough to matter.
To prove it wants to do something, the senior bank lover suggests a different tax, one applicable only to big banks. Here’s a crazy idea from Jared Bernstein: let’s do both. The tax on big banks is restitution for the damage done to the national financial position, and payment for the guarantee against failure for these giants. The Tobin Tax smacks the HFT traders, and cuts down on volatility. And did I mention that it is expected to produce a huge amount of revenue? Lots of winning there.
I’d say the real problem with the Tobin Tax is that Occupy Wall Street supports it. Gotta keep punching those hippies.




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Gee, what a surprise… Republican Obama not supporting a small tax on wall street trades, gee, what could it be? Republican Obama’s cabinet is filled with wall street bankers, his best buds… In 2007 and 2008 Senator Obama campaigned as a Democrat; once he become President, he has ruled as wall street Republican. Elect Occupy in 2012.
Hey masaccio. If you haven’t seen Margin Call, you should. You won’t learn anything new, just a visual about how ugly it is.
But of course. And given the same thought doesn’t charging credit card holders up to thirty percent, negatively impact them buying goods and services from the top 1 percent?
So it is clear, Mr O has one set of laws and standards for the top 1 percent and a whole different song & dance for the 99 percenters.
Alternatively, I’d say the real problem with the Tobin Tax is that
OccupyWall Streetsupportshates it. Gotta keeppunching those hippiesThe Owners happy.Margin Call is a great movie, I agree. Really spectacular movie-making, considering two things are never revealed: the firm’s name and the actual problem it’s facing.
i thought of you and what you’ve told us about the treatment of women in the executive suites, when Demi Moore’s character took the fall.
To be fair to the administration, on that issue it is simply mimicking the sentiment of a large chunk of the general population.
A great article. Thanks.
“financial transactions tax of .03%”
I hate Idi Obama,
He is acting as a 3rd World big man playing with his civilized betters. Cornel West pegged him right.
For those who missed it, this is a classic on the “robin hood” tax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYtNwmXKIvM
Gee, really? No shit? Honest and truly?
I actually didn’t like the film that much for a variety of reasons. Here’s what I typed a friend
And here’s a follow-up email to my friend
The latter was probably the most well done part of the movie.
I’m normally not that critical about movies. I seldom go, and then it’s mostly for just letting the general impression wash over me.
The big diff about MC is that I know so much about the subject, I was able to pay attention to how it was done, what was left out as well as what was in, etc.
That was the most predictable of all. LOL.
Fuel Economy: Where the Energy Goes
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml
America wasted about $900,000,000 dollars of economic value today burning gasoline, getting to work! America is in Servitude, enabled by politicians and futures traders on Wall street who want to pay no transaction tax, while aligned corporate interests, buy law and fleece a nation which made the corporations rich, and to big to fail?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/servitude
ser·vi·tude noun ˈsər-və-ˌtüd, -ˌtyüd
Definition of SERVITUDE
1: a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one’s course of action or way of life
2: a right by which something (as a piece of land) owned by one person is subject to a specified use or enjoyment by another.
Examples of SERVITUDE
“The Fugitive Slave Act had the effect of returning slaves who had made it to freedom in the North to a brutal life of servitude in the South”
I’ve reached the point where nothing less than mass executions and total asset confiscation will satisfy me. Seriously.
What I would like to share, I cannot because it would be considered inappropriate. Since it would involve a baseball bat traveling at high velocity in the direction of Tiny Tim Geithner’s mouth.
:-)
If Dims would get a brain, they’d abandon this guy quickly. There is nothing in that empty suit to salvage. Time to tell Obama to move aside for a real Dem for 2012. Do it now, not when it is too late.
Actually, I prefer a third party, I am finding it too hard to vote for Dems anymore. Except maybe for Warren, but I don’t live in Mass. I’ll send a donation.
And, Jane Hamsher for President.
Deep down, the perps are expecting that to happen. They are mystified why it’s taking so long.
McCain said yesterday (or maybe today) that he expected a third party to happen and that it would be called Fed-Up.
But he has such nice teeth.
Hold your breath waiting for these clowns to legislate or politic on behalf of working people. Turn blue. Die. They are not our friends.
Fed-Up? Who can afford to eat anymore.
Christ, how spineless.
This is the least — the LEAST — of the corrective measures that needs to be enacted.
If Obama can’t actively support desperately needed changes to even THIS degree, he is less than worthless. The world economy is in flames, and he’s afraid to even use a squirtgun.
Precisely my point.
Well I for one would not even cross the street to piss on it to put out the flames.
there you go! :)
That’s more like it.
I long for the good ol’ days when we would have just given them a fair trial and hanged the whole bunch.
I think you are being kind because I would choose a different orifice.
Obama was created on Madison Ave by the have too much already, greedy fraudsters. Of course he isn’t going to tax his real base of criminals.
I would suggest that a Financial Transaction Tax be used to fund the Infrastructure Loan Bank. Funding of the ILB would come from a tax on stocks of 0.025% on all trades (buy or sell) plus an additional 0.1% on all short term trades. Any trade made within the same 48 hour period will be considered a short time trade. All derivative trades will pay a tax 0.05%.
I believe you are correct about that. They know what they’ve done, and they know what they would do to someone who had done it to them.
Totally with you. Of course, you guys would have done the same for stealing a mere horse. ;-)
I don’t want to piss in your cheerios but an FTT has been tried in the past and failed miserably.
“String him up !” “(Anybody got any string ?) “He’s just like the Kid !”
“Lynch him !” “(Anybody go any lynch ?)” “He even looks like the Kid !”
Rich traders bankroll Obama.