Like a lot of you, I felt an odd combination of déjà vu and whiplash earlier today at the revival of President Obama’s 2008 election rhetoric about “ending the war” in announcing the formal withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq.
And similarly, I’m aware of the widely noted doubts about whether this really is an end to whatever you want to call our ongoing presence in Iraq, and the equally obvious irony of taking credit for a complete withdrawal after months of negotiations attempting to leave 3,000-5,000 troops (or more) in the country.
But to me, it just proves the point demonstrated since last month by the president’s belatedly rediscovered populism: namely, you can rely on Obama to remember his progressive campaign promises, if only (to paraphrase Churchill) after exhausting all of the possible alternatives.
A bit more seriously, though, I think today’s announcement is more substantial and positive than many in the left blogiverse are giving it credit for being. For one thing, despite the clamor about the large mercenary force protecting State Department staff, the fact is that if Muqtada as-Sadr’s Mahdi Army launches an insurgency/takeover in Basra or eastern Baghdad next spring, the State Department isn’t going to call in American tanks and airpower to launch a counterassault… which is what happened in 2007 and earlier. That’s a big difference.
For another, there’s this remark:
Now, even as we remove our last troops from Iraq, we’re beginning to bring our troops home from Afghanistan…. When I took office, roughly 180,000 troops were deployed in both these wars. And by the end of this year that number will be cut in half, and make no mistake: It will continue to go down.
I’ve always felt that Obama’s “surge” strategy in Afghanistan was designed to achieve the same goal as Bush had in Iraq: to make our still-inevitable withdrawal seem a little less like we’re leaving with our national tail between our legs. Obama’s commitment, if only verbally, to ongoing troop reductions there seems to back up that hunch.
(Yes, I know that juxtaposed with his policies in Libya, Pakistan, central Africa and elsewhere, this only means that the military future Obama envisions is dominated by shadow-wars fought by drones and special forces rather than the Army and Marines. I didn’t say the guy was Gandhi.)
I also believe that the troop-extension talks which finally fell through with today’s announcement didn’t reflect a desire for a continued military role so much as the reflexive, almost servile flank-protection that has characterized Obama’s domestic political strategy. I say this not to spin Obama as a pacifist but because, as a blogger who followed events in Iraq more closely than most from 2003 through 2008, I saw the Bush-Cheney mirage of establishing an American client state there evaporate too long ago for any subsequent president to believe in it.
This is hard for some progressives to accept; at times, they seem to have more faith in the neocon vision of imperial domination than even the neocons themselves. But I recall Donald Rumsfeld visiting Baghdad in 2005, attempting to pressure Ibrahim Jaafari (the prime minister of Iraq’s newly elected, Shiite-run government) to halt the purges of Sunni Muslims from the army and police forces.
At a time when Jaafari and his regime literally depended on U.S military protection for their lives, he told Rumsfeld to pound sand — just as his successor, Nouri al-Maliki, has consistently done in response to similar lobbying. Similarly, the nightmare visions painted by Western liberals of oil giants imposing larcenous production-sharing agreements on a helpless occupied Iraq have never come to pass.
If America couldn’t impose its will on Iraqis with nearly 200,000 troops in the country six years ago, all that’s been left in the time since has been pretense… a politically impotent occupier outmaneuvered by its would-be proxies into serving their corrupt needs, rather than the other way around.
The only thing an extension of the formal U.S. military presence could achieve would have been was continued life support for that pretense. Instead, the plug has mercifully been pulled, and that’s a welcome development.



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After all the warm & fuzzy relations between cops & occupiers in Cleveland, cop have closed off the downtown, made at least 50 arrest.
Going on now!
Live stream at: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupyclevelandcam1
Swopa!
Have to agree that this is a very welcome development and perhaps a sign of more to come. Nonetheless it is still about 10 years, several trillion dollars, and millions of lives too late.
I must be getting old. All I feel is a big dose of fuck Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Obama/Petraeus/et al. If Iraqis want to kick our sorry asses out, then so be it. All the devastation of Iraq, all the dead men and women of our armed forces and the Iraqi’s population ………….all for Cheney’s oil lust. And no pass for the Democrats who did not stand up and shout, No, No, a thousand times No. Shame on all of them. WE disgust me….even tho I tried to speak out…. powerless me.
There appear to be national orders to get tough on OWS that override the tolerance of local governmental leaders (see Seattle, Cleveland). Bloomberg making tough noises again after backing down last week may represent more of this national directive.
How about bringing all those troops home to make American safe for Democracy now?
To protect our brave populace who are out on the streets demonstrating for Feedom and Democracy and Accountability and Free and Fair Elections and all that good American stuff they were just trying to force down the gullets of all the nice people in Foreign Countries.
Just wait till our brave troops get a whiff of the criminality of the government and how they are going to be given the old heave ho. All PTSD’d and thinking they will be taken care of.
Its getting Interesting.
But what Obama and the PTB don’t understand is that OWS ain’t Libya. This is sophisticated hi-tech pacifist popular Aikido. Attack OWS and you attack yourself many times over.
On the up side, it’s one less reason to be tempted to vote for Ron Paul.
Authoritarians never do seem to learn that lesson. They’ve had their share of opportunities.
Where’s that great Marine vet who shamed the NYPD? Can someone get him to train the returning troops on how to address local police who haven’t got a clue what our vets have put up with to satisfy our overlords?
I agree. Great to withdraw troops! Very welcome news. So assests can be shifted where they are needed more.
This gets my vote for Headline of the Day: GOP speed daters ready to go steady with Romney?
Poor Rick Santorum never even got a blowjob…
You are not alone.
But but Obama said he was sympathetic? G)
Halliburton and Exxon are drilling for oil in Iraq right now, something not possible during the era of Saddam. So, I disagree with you that Western oil giants have not benefited greatly from the Iraq fiasco…
http://www.halliburton.com/public/news/pubsdata/press_release/2010/corpnws_101410.html
the fact is that if Muqtada as-Sadr’s Mahdi Army launches an insurgency/takeover in Basra or eastern Baghdad next spring, the State Department isn’t going to call in American tanks and airpower to launch a counterassault… which is what happened in 2007 and earlier. That’s a big difference.
Why wouldn’t they call in an airstrike and tanks I assume troops, planes etc are just being moved to Afghanistan, Kuwait and we are going to have a navy aircraft at our base in Bahrain.
And for all those people who got off on watching Gaddafi get killed….just think about yourself. The man was clearly mad. There are dozens of clearly mentally fragmented folks standing on street corners around my area… and while they haven’t killed folks or been evil dicks, I think that slaughtering mad men is not nice. One of the clips had the background noises of the perps giving in to their lesser impulses and I’m sure the noise confused mad Gaddafi plenty. I don’t believe in heaven or hell, but I’m sure that was his hell………good work, if you are into that thing.
Just arriving — gosh are you in Cleveland?
To be fair they had 10 years or so to boost oil production but they did not if they are going in now I wonder if they are going to pay for Mercs to unofficially boost our troop presence?
I call bullshit on anything Obama does. If you don’t like what you see and hear, go to you nearest #occupy. It is simply really.
Worst. Case. Of Obamacitis I’ve Ever Seen.
Are ya just blind Swopa?
There are gonna be a few hundred thousand XE and other contracted troops left behind to tend to US n general oligarchy interests in The Green Zone and Afghanistan.
Them military bases, that have been documented?
What the FUCK makes you think drawing down some US troops makes any damned difference in the reality of things?
Sorry gal, yer posit on this and yer position on this is so far lost and gone ya might as well be tracking the right wing and shillin for the 1% and hatin on the #Occupy . . .
Yer SO wrong on this, it’s sad you’d profess that crap as being progressive in any fashion or manner.
Harumph.
I know yer a long time regular at this forum, but yer NOT a progressive. Not by any means.
Yep. You got email . . . from earlier today . . . ;-)
…but yer NOT a progressive. Not by any means.
Apparently, Larue, you’ve not read the post very well…! 8-(
*harumph*
RE: pulling the plug, ‘scuse me if I am misinformed, but my understanding is that Iraq would not allow our folks to continue operating under a “no responsibility/no accountability” arrangement. That is, if our troops killed/maimed/raped then they would answer to Iraqi justice. And we said, “Nope, we’re taking our troops and going home on that note.” I don’t consider that particularly noble. We didn’t pull the plug, they did. Whatever befalls them, we can say, “Hey, not our fault.” Vietnam, anyone???
I don’t consider that particularly noble.
We’re definitely leaving for all the wrong reasons, but, we’re leaving all the same…! ;-)
let me look. did you send it to gmail or mary@?
We’ll see. I suspect that we will leave plenty of contractors/mercenaries who will operate for us to protect the palace we built for ourselves. And the mercenaries will probably be off the books just like the war was. And I suspect we’ll stash our drones in our walled compound. But, hey, whatever.
Really? The asswipe is running for re=election, so now we will have a whole year of his usual bs. It was them, not my fault, I just can’t do anything at this time, etc. Anything he does clearly serves his own purposes and has nothing to do with the 99′ers. I wouldn’t believe Obama if he said he was getting ready to ignite, even if he was drinking gasoline and had a blowtorch up his @ss.
Howdy, Larue.
You have so grievously missed the point and gravity of this post that it can be measured in nautical miles.
And the mercenaries will probably be off the books just like the war was. Our own oversight will be minimal at best, but, I’ll guarantee ya that if another Nansoor Square ‘shootout’ occurs, the Iraqis will see justice served…!
Yes and he got a bump out of the Iraq pullout announcement maybe he will announce a pullout of Afghanistan. That would be nice.
fucker. getting a bump from pulling out of a war than never should have been. years later, no less. The bodies are piled up so high you can’t see over them.
True dat the wreckage in strewn across the political spectrum. The lives and assests wasted billion dollar bases that may well be in the wrong hands. Just mind boggling to remove a regime that was a buffer against radical Islamic Iran. Just makes no sense.
I agree the drilling bonanza hasn’t taken place for Western oil companies because (as predicted by lefties like me in 2002) the occupation has gone badly. Thankfully, the occupation has gone badly. Yippee for humanity! But Western oil has got its feet on the ground in Iraq and is looking to the future for big money. I predict they will get that money (someday).
We are keeping 180 official US troops for Embassy protection – all per Bush agreement that Iraq refused to change.
So what exactly did Obama do to get credit for “leaving Iraq” – or to get credit for keeping “campaign promise”?
At least the 65,000 mercenary “contractors” left behind http://www.laboreducator.org/lt110706.htm
will be under the authority of the Iraq government – or so they say.
And last August 19, 2010 by The Sydney Morning Herald reported the US State Department was doubling the number of security contractors it employs in Iraq to around 7000, which of course is part of the 65,000. So what are the other 58,000 assigned to do?
I wonder if DOD will increase the number from the current 65,000 mercenaries now in Iraq to make up for the 50,000 troops that Iraq refused to allow us to keep in country.
Anyone want to give a date – winning is within one month of the actual date – for the announcement from DOD on contractor status in Iraq – extra credit for the getting within 10,000 of the number of contractors that will remain.
My hope is that OWS is the spark for a kickass third party. The D’s and R’s are both corrupt beyond salvation.
Give him another peace prize then, Swopa, if you’re so sure this “is a more substantial and positive than many in the left blogiverse are giving it credit for being.”
I’m sure freedom loving Iraqis will welcome the new distinction without much of a difference. I mean, how many more refugees could the US create and how many more Iraqis could we kill before they noticed? We had to be approaching some limit even for Obama, am I right?
What countries aren’t we at some kind of war with anyway?
What surprises me even more than the “left blogiverse” not giving obama credit for masterfully lying to the American people once again, is all the so-called lefties tripping over themselves to fall on their knees to pledge allegiance to obama.
No, not only for Cheney’s oil lust, but also (mainly) for Israel’s protection. Never forget who was/is running the show.
Clearly, Saddam’s regime was a threat to Israel. Remember the Iraqi Scud missile attacks during the first Gulf War under Bush 1? Isn’t that the obvious reason why the neocons promoted and pulled off the invasion with Shrub, using 9/11 and WMD as cover?
“Never forget who was/is running the show.”
I’ll bite. Who?
For anyone who still harbors a faint belief that Hillary Clinton is any better than Obama:
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shared a laugh with a television news reporter moments after hearing deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.
“We came, we saw, he died,” she joked when told of news reports of Qaddafi’s death by an aide in between formal interviews.
Link
Even if you supported the NATO intervention, this is tasteless, grisly stuff. She’s bloodthirsty – just like Obama – just like Bush.
Obama is pulling the troops because he could not get them immunity from Iraq law:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/21-9
You did see and read these reports?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases
and then this
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/21/panetta-military-to-negotiate-new-iraq-role-after-pullout/
and the bonus
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/21/clinton-no-ground-invasion-of-pakistan/
of course she says nothing of air or nukes
and
http://original.antiwar.com/lee-wrights/2011/10/21/the-sun-never-sets-on-the-us-military/
and finally
whoops dont see/have the link but it was on Uganda
busy news day
I’ve been wishing and hoping the same thing. OWS might just be the catalyst that the Next Big Thing requires. It can’t happen soon enough for me, being sick to death of the status quo.
What tripped it for me was watching the “Constitutional Scholar” abrogate the rule of law in America to protect the Banksters.
My fingers are crossed.
even if he was drinking gasoline and had a blowtorch up his @ss.
D’ya mind if I just hang on to that image for a while?
I think the real question is how long “private contractors” can be expected to last with out medivac and air support.
Not to mention combat troops, like the MN National Guard who previously set the record for the longest NG deployment in Iraq, being sent back to Kuwait. What do you think they are doing in “Kuwait”?
Is there a pic of Obama fist bumping a mercenary or one of his wall street buddies since he gets to continue the occupy at the same time tell his american dreamers it’s over?
Shrub went along with Cheney and his assassins because he didn’t have a brain or heart. What’s your excuse, obama?
Maybe a more apt picture would be a fist waving obama held aloft by mercenaries and wall street excecs standing atop a mountain of Iraqi bodies?
And we still will GET NO JUSTICE.
If any lefty wants to gush over this, tell me how it holds the war criminals to account? Oh, that’s right, being a lefty means you take the kick in the teeth and tell obama you like it.
This is why I will continue to have contempt for so-called liberals.
Empathy.
Imagine you are a citizen of Iraq. US bases in Iraq represent US ownership and empire, not Iraqi sovereignty. Would you tolerate a Chinese or Russian miltary base of these proportions in your state? If you say yes, then you’re either a coward, a liar or some other schmuck.
The US will use its resources there to oppress the people of Iraq and worse. But it’s all better because so-called liberals will sleep soundly knowing that no one can call them “troops” and their boyfriend has delivered something though we don’t quite yet know what. What we do know is the empire is solidifying, stretching further and creating more refugees at home, but it’s all good.
Makes at least a lil more sense now why Petraeus is heading CIA now, eh? The war continues but we have to fight perceptions at home as well. Why use soldiers when mercenaries are even more useful for committing crime?
Sorry Ranjit – but Hillary is a real center-left Democrat that on Domestic policy is miles to the left of Obama – as Hillary’s 93 Health proposal showed and as her attempt to get Bill to go single payer in 93 showed (Bill killed single payer before he gave her the task force), not scared of or in love with corporations – very different from Obama.
But you have a point on foreign policy – on foreign policy Hillary and Obama are of the same mind set – only she I suspect is more forceful and competent.
I much rather have Hillary pushing the US View on countries – in public – than having the CIA buying assassinations and funding armies in private – indeed that is her job. Drone strikes just indicate that the CIA still has more power than State – as has been the case since 1953.
Very good analysis (though I’m not sure Hillary is as liberal as you think she is). Hillary is DLC–the more progressive branch, which also includes Al Gore. Obama is CIA. This seems to have been the real, underlying conflict of forces during the 2008 Democratic primaries.
For those who are interested, here’s a reasonably good breakdown of some of the internal Iraqi politics behind the lack of an agreement with the U.S.: http://www.cfr.org/iraq/iraqi-rivalries-spell-end-us-troops/p26267
Also, from Reidar Visser: “Muqtada al-Sadr feels he won the debate about withdrawal, instructors, and immunities, and has moved down to the next target on the agenda: The US embassy in Baghdad.“
http://gulfanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/sadr-demands-resistance-against-the-us-embassy-in-baghdad/