Morning, BT.

Liberal Jesus killers!

Cain is an ignorant jackass.

On the other side of the pond, the UK has simultaneous austerity, contraction and inflation.
David Cameron wins the trifecta.

File this under: Be Careful What You Ask For!

Israel and Hamas make a deal.

Hell of an exchange rate.

Sad thing is, he’s found an ignorant jackass constituency. How else can you explain his standing in the polls?

Writer of the OWS article works for

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It’s the anti-Mitt constituency. He’ll have to put someone like Rubio on the ticket.

Writer of the OWS article works for

FOREX.com

FOREX.com is a premier destination for individuals wishing to take advantage of trading opportunities in forex and other major global markets.

Mornin’, BT, pups

If Cain keeps it up the men in white coats are gonna be comin’ around the corner any time now.

Didn’t take Warren long to show herself as just another fuckin’ neoliberal warmonger. These people could be frightened by children dressed as Darth Vader.

And we get other debate tonight. Heard an interesting piece that it is the 2nd tier group, not Rom, who will be going after Cain. Should give TX Rick a nice opportunity.

Good morning pupses and thank you BT.

I have left 2 comments and it appears that they both went to another dimension….

If I say, “submit comment” out loud and tap my wine bottle 3 times, I wonder if I could go, too?

(Just kidding about the wine bottle) :)

Anyone else wish that my congressman, Thaddeus McCotter, was still running for president? Didn’t think so.

Assuming the world is not one giant heap of smoking rubble by next summer, if Cain gets the nomination, Obama will not be able to use the “if you don’t vote for me you’re a racist” tactic.

Damn it, BT, two of your stories have bummed me out, bad.
First, the OWS protests are all about being cool? I thought this was a grass roots movement to tell the corpratocracy how upset they (we) are; and then Cain tells me that Jesus was the perfect conservative. And, all this time I thought he was a radical socialist.
Now, with this new mindset, how am I going to live a happy life today?

What about Warren? I missed something (else).

Imho, this is absolutely not going to happen with Cain and Obummer running as President. Imagine, two black men running for the highest office would just cause the teapartiers and racists to explode.

By considering the source.

Good morning all and thanks BT.

Excuse my manners, Good morning BT and firepups.

Sorry,,,we women just have to prove how tough we are, I guess. See Hillary/Elizabeth Dole, et al….Too bad.

See econobuzz’s link at #4

Good morning, all.

What is Warren’s “story”, SD?

DW

Thanks, O & S. Now I can face the day, if not seize it.
Whew!

Got ya!

Thanks, econobuzz.

Not unexpected, unfortunately … SD.

DW

Thank you, SD and econobuzz.

Depressing.

OT: We have cooler weather this am with some wind….My cat is so happy it’s hard to describe….She could purr, I guess will do.

One of my riding bros will have a cancer infested eye removed today. Gives one a whole new perspective on what can only be considered buffoonery.

(sorry for the downer, know that he is fairly positive)

Not a reason for Mass voters to vote for Brown, by any means.
Just a heads up about looking at her as some sort of savior.

I think we are looking at all the old players of an ancien regime.

If this New American Revolution is to become something, new people will emerge who did not belong to that old system.

Where are they? I think they are on the near horizon.

Watched my outside temp thingy drop at about 2:00 this morning. Wind is really up here. Fall has arrived in earnest.

I don’t trust anyone who was once a Republican. No offense meant.
But the admittedly small sample I’ve run into were all bad.

No, but there was a glimmer of hope there for a while. Too bad. I guess the whole house of cards is gonna have to collapse before anything changes.

All the more reason to support the Occupy movement.

Best of luck to him.
Cancer is one ugly f*cker.

North Pole?

From the link

Her views on anything other than consumer banking regulation were unknown; she was a Republican prior to her conversion experience through extensive research into bankruptcies, which revealed that the overwhelming majority were responsible people who hit a stretch of serious bad luck. As much as her and her daughter’s book The Two Income Trap is well thought out and argued, they structured the problem as narrowly as possible, around the bidding war for housing and how it led more wives into the workforce, ending their role as secret insurance policy/potential breadwinner. The bigger frame, which Warren ignored, was stagnant worker wages and rising income disparity. Including those issues would have led Warren to consider issues like taxation (how income taxes have become less progressive and have also become more favorable to income from capital) and our multinational-favoring trade deals, and our lobbying-driven industrial policy.

My bold.

Good morning all.

Central Texas!

Prayers and good luck….hope there is not much damage. That’s a scary one, isn’t it?

Would someone here who speaks fluent cat have a chat with my Piccilo. He just came in the house and went and sat under the rocking chair. Um.

You do not expect “social”, do you? ;)

MD Anderson in Houston is about as good as you can get. Again, he is pretty positive about the surgery and prognosis.

Did you read the Chris Hedges article in Alternet?

OWS is a movement too big to fail

This is what gives me more hope than anything else, right now.

Supposed to get really nasty here for the next couple days. Cooler and heavy rain.

Elizabeth Warren describes herself as an elite hick.

Not him. But, it didn’t seem to be the safest place to be anti-social either. *g*

Yes. Support OWS and genuine possibility.

Warren is just another “yes” to power and money … and “no” to genuine human need, politician. Too calculating and compromised, just another neoliberal, as you say.

DW

That’s a little scary in an earthquake zone.

Morning all cold and rainy in St. Louis today. I had a bad feeling about Warren. Glad someone confirmed it.

I felt a few little prickles of unease when you and, maybe newcarguy? were commenting and you mentioned going to MD Anderson.

They are amazing. Sending your friend very best wishes.

Awfully early to be drinking wine, OmAli. (LOL)

I am sorry to read that about Elizabeth Warren. I confess I wasn’t as high on her politically, hoped she’d get the nod for the consumer financial spot, I thought the “Elizabeth Warren for President” hype was pretty silly. We do tend to clutch at straws when our current idols have feet of clay, don’t we?

Oh, and good morning!

I guess he knows the difference between a rocking chair and safer cover.

I’m usually suspicious of converts of any type, but they are out there.

Have to read the whole thing later when I have more time but Hedges is right on. Thanks for the link.

Thanks. I’m only sick in the head. *g*

Good morning! Where ya been? Haven’t “seen” you for awhile.

An elite hick? Wrong choice of words, IMO.

Good Morning, DW. How’s you’re day, so far?
Are we planning on staying out of trouble today?
No? Okay, good.

Keep us posted…

Voters in Massachusetts may do as they please, econobuzz, whether “reason” has anything to do with such “voting” or not, and the “savior” myth is, slowly, debunking itself, albeit at the expense of “the people” and the planet … Clearly, the power people, and Warren is revealing herself as being one of them, do not and cannot imagine that they will not retain full power. Frankly, voting for Warren will prove the imaginations of the power people correct … and underscore the failure of the imagination of “the people” for something better … more just, more humane.

DW

I’m not at all convinced that any politician can keep from being seduced by the power and money in the system. I don’t think tinkering around the edges will make a difference. Maybe we need an entirely new animal. If OWS keeps growing, maybe our vision will grow, too, and we will see something that our range of vision is too limited to see right now.

You’d think. He does like to sit under things, but please don’t mention Earthquakes. We haven’t had one for a long time.
17 years or so.

I also saw a YouTube of an interview of Chris Hedges at an Occupy event. Don’t remember exactly where — could have been in one of the Occupy threads here. Articulate guy in person, too.

x2

He did an amazing interview, too. Petro had a link at one of the liveblogs yesterday.

You are welcome.

Occupy Wall Street being hijacked?

The movement must resist any and all attempts (even the seemingly well-intentioned ones) to be co-opted. Think: Being cut off at the knees and defanged. In other words, get co-opted and there goes the real power.

Morning BT & Pups of Fire.

And in case anyone missed it, here’s “Invisible-Hand-of-the-Free-Market-Man.” Don’t worry, he’ll save the “persecuted bankers.”

If you haven’t read his book “The World as it Is” yet it is a must read. Depressing but right on the mark.

One of us owes the other a drink. I just happen to have a bottle of wine here……

lol

Broader visions? My, aren’t you optimistic this morning. But, on the other hand, you’re got 3 hours on me. I’ll try to catch up.
I’m usually a keep on the sunny side kind of gal, though, as you know.

Hey! I’m not lookin’ fer trouble … of course, if it’s lookin’ fer me …well then, that’s its look-out, demi.

Whut can I say?

;~DW

That’s a good reminder…b/c it gets harder to hold on to the hopey thing. But many have managed is far worse circumstances, for sure. The weekend has kept me in mind of what MLK would say. Of course, we do not know…but he was so committed.

The person who wrote that works for FOREX.com. My earlier link comment got lost. Twice.

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No, I haven’t read Hedges in a long time.

The MOTU are really faced with a quandary though. Some say they’ve anticipated the whole thing since they engineered the con, and I tend to agree. Will they fool us again since they are master manipulators as a necessity?

I know they are trying to. I know there are some, as always who will understand, and come forward to lead us against them.

But many have managed is far worse circumstances, for sure.

You are right.

Yep, a whole new, as my youngest used to say, “aminal”, OmAli.

And ya know, it’s about … time … as well.

;~DW

Thanks, I will put it on my list, which is already very long. I just don’t get a lot of book reading in the summer. Of course I spend far too much time online.

The snipe hunt continues.

Good morning msmolly. Health issues with my wife. Needed to concentrate on that. I was lurking, but did not have the time to really engage with comments.
I read where you went to Grand Rapids for the art show. I hope you had a good time. We were up there at the time, but our days were cold and rainy and I could not take the chance on sickness for my wife.
I think I told you I have a daughter and son in Alto, Michigan and we were up to see the family.

Had a half hour discussion with a conservative co-worker yesterday afternoon. Frustrating that as soon as I went into any depth responding to her talking points she’d switch to another topic. One such was she didn’t like her taxes going to help put Bright Futures students through college. No empathy. None. Eventually she asked me why I was so serious about this stuff. I replied that I had been fighting these people for 40 years and didn’t want to live in a fascist country. Her response was, so what, you’ve got a job, blah blah blah. I just turned and walked away rather than stuff her into the CD drive of her computer.

Reading Hedges is strangely uplifting for me.

Like the cat sitting under the rocking chair isn’t asking for trouble.
Me? I’m feeling a little brattish today, for some reason.
Might have been the Cain link from BT’s list.
My fists are clenched and I’m thinking, Why I outta…

Heh. Let’s get together this evening and share it. Red or white?

For right now, I’m into my second cup of tea and my tummy is telling me it’s time for some breakfast!

There’s about 50 million of “her.”

Chris Hedges on Occupy Wall Street, September 25

You don’t know how much I would enjoy that (even without the wine!)

Go feed that tummy! XOXOXO

That’s their tactic to either change subjects or cram 18 of them into one sentence.

I’m sorry about your wife. I hope she’s improving.

That ArtPrize event is worth a trip if you’re within reasonable driving distance of Grand Rapids. And the benefits to the city of having many thousands of people downtown is superb.

Grand Rapids benefits from lots of Rich DeVos, Jay VanAndel, Peter Secchia, Meijer, and other wealthy families. I don’t agree with their politics, but their contributions to the city are priceless.

EDIT to add: ArtPrize runs for 19 days, and the first week was chilly and rainy, I heard. I was there the last four days when it was unseasonably warm and gloriously sunny. I actually had to buy a couple of t-shirts because I hadn’t packed for that much warmth.

He shed a few tears at the end of the interview. Thanked OWS on behalf of his 3 year-old. I teared up, too.

I just turned and walked away rather than stuff her into the CD drive of her computer.

I admire your restraint, SD.
Good choice. If you want to keep that job, I mean.

Saw a documentery about the ’68 Dem Convention last night. I had allowed time to dim my memory of just how massive the demonstrations were and how brutal the police response was. It gave me serious pause because we tend to believe, rightly or not, that we live in much more of a police state now. Scary to consider what may be on the near horizon given the rapid growth rate of the OWS movement.

SD,
Good job on the walk away. I have some so called “friends” that will not listen to any reasoning that is not their way of thinking. I just start seeing less and less of them if they do not want to engage in a proper discussion with both sides being vented.

Drives me nutz. No real knowledge of what she was talking about.

One of the things I find when listening to people like that talk with each other (most people who don’t know me well are gobsmacked to learn I am a far left liberal. They truly expect to see horns) is that they are fundamentally, bred in the bone contemptuous about anything that even hints at liberalism. Their families have listened to Rush since before they were born in many cases, and they hate ‘liberals’ instinctively and viscerally.

It scares me, lots of times.

Police are much more heavily armed today and they do a lot more spying and infiltration. If OWS gets a lot bigger or tries to disrupt anything really important, just watch how the full force of the “law” will be brought to bear against it. Waiting for an excuse and if it doesn’t get one soon, will do a lot more “undercover” provocation ops.

Consider the percentages, econobuzz, there are always about 20% who are sleep-walking, but it is also a generational thing. Among the cohort who form the nucleus of OWS, I’d wager that the “percent” of such snoozers will be measurably less …

It is about … time … and many of us have spend a good deal of it in pursuing the Great Educational Outreach … I believe we are seeing the fruits of our small labors beginning to blossom, even before I, I confess, imagined that such openings would occur.

Times, they are … a-changing …

DW

We have cspan on right now and Richard Trumka is the guest. Natually, a caller said that the unions are communists. I guess they never heard of Lech Walensa.

What was the documentary, oldnslow? I would love to watch it. I barely recall that convention. I guess I was busy with one small child and expecting my second and not at all focused on politics.

Is the documentary something I could get online or Netflix?

The first time they get a chance to label it a terrorist group — probably as a result of an act by an “undercover” cop — the boom will be lowered.

Yes, I’ve seen people who usually weren’t that interested in politics now, far angrier than I, because it was something they didn’t think they’d ever have to really think about.

They can feel the flames licking at their heels.

Me too. I was talking to someone last night on Late Nite about my looking like a girl scout. Tricks them every time. I said I would make a good drug runner, ’cause they’d never ever suspect.

In the best sort of way :)

It was fun, you being surprised by cbl popping up in the comments, yesterday, I think. I was hoping Kris would chime in, too, lol.

*g*

I’ve been accused of similar. And Pollyanna. Don’t forget Pollyanna.

Very likely so, eCAHN, trials and tribulations … However “the transformation” is ahead of what I have imagined would be its schedule, and the understanding is deeper and broader, as well, even in NYC, the vast majority of New Yorkers support either the aims of OWS … or its right to be in the streets.

Never before has this reality been so manifest in my three score and four.

Even in the adversities you realistically image, there is much more genuine reason to hope than we could have imagined two months ago …

DW

Oldnslow:
You reminded me that I had seen a play about the Chicago Seven.
Cool beans.

That is exactly the place my mind went. The only saving grace is the active duty and former military starting to show up at OWS. History says when rank and file military sides with the resistence….you know the rest.

(don’t want to say it out loud)

msmolly,
Good morning. It was an Independent Lens piece on PBS. Maybe their website could help? Sorry I can’t recall the name.

http://my.firedoglake.com/tomengelhardt/2011/10/17/americas-secret-empire-of-drone-bases-by-nick-turse/

You’ve both seen this diary?

I like Alex Jones, so I get all kinds of news about the Police State and that it was really built for Americans, as they “drop the hammer” on us and go after the Resistance to the fascist state they’ve built.

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

US KIA Afghanistan: 1,811

US KIA Irak: 4,478

Afghan, Iraki and Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M

US MBS 2011: 35,960 and counting

New Kicks

No war but class war

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things

Namaste

Never. Give. Up.

Early in the course of the trial, Black Panther Party activist Bobby Seale hurled bitter attacks at Judge Hoffman in court, calling him a “fascist dog,” a “honky,” a “pig,” and a “racist,” among other things.
snip
Ultimately, Hoffman severed Seale from the case, sentencing him to four years in prison for contempt of court, one of the longest sentences ever handed down for that offense in the US up to that time.
(That’s from wiki.)

Oh I love that song!

on Edit. OOps. Not what I thought. I have seen this video before though and it is powerful!

I’m still mostly watching. But there are a few lessons from history that are worth remembering, which is that PTB don’t go gently into the night and are capable of applying their full powers in maintaining their position and doing it without and remorse whatsoever.

It was too early for her. She’s a, when the sun is warm kinda gal.

In 2002, Seale began dedicating his time to Reach!, a group focused on youth education programs. An instructional, nonprofit group helping people develop the necessary techniques and tools to set up community organizations within their neighborhoods

Same goals, different approach.

Thanks, I will look there. I just don’t watch TV so I forget about some of the good stuff. There may be other documentaries online, too. I’ll have to rummage in Netflix.

I believe that was overturned after about 20 months?

eCAHN @106,
It is easy to imagine a massive human cost to bring about true change.

Certainly a different approach. Amazing what maturity can produce.

Still, a harsh lesson.

This to me is very disturbing:

C.I.A. Examining Legality of Work with Police Dept.

I think Bobby saw it more of an example of the raw exercise of authority than a lesson.

Recall that the judge was a real prick. Would not even let the defense call the Attorney General at the time of the “riots.” Also that they were being prosecuted under a new law (’68) that was in direct violation of the 1st amendment.

It is foolish and dishonest, as well, to imagine or suggest that true change may come about in any other way.

(I am willing, however, to be surprised, oldnslow as, I am certain, are you.)

DW

Againk, from wiki:
The eight defendants were charged under the anti-riot provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1968[5] which made it a federal crime to cross state lines with the intent to incite a riot.

Ultimately they rely on our fear.

That is their main weapon.

We only appreciate what we work hard for.
When I met my husband 10 years ago, I had some friends who said I was just lucky. No. Luck would be waking up one morning and finding him on my front porch. I had to go out actively looking.

Yes, demi, in those days ONLY the political class which, even then, included the media, was allowed to cross state lines to incite violence …

Consider what drones may accomplish within and without this nation, today.

How long will the “law” be the bludgeon of tyranny?

As long as there is a rule of men … and not the rule of law.

DW

On May 11, 1972, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals vacated all of the contempt convictions, and on November 21, 1972 reversed all of the substantive convictions on a number of grounds. Among other things, the appeals court found that Judge Hoffman had not sufficiently measured the biases of the jury and that he had exhibited a “deprecatory and often antagonistic attitude toward the defense.”

From the wiki on Hoffman. Hoffman died in 1983.

Really. Look what Sarah has gotten away with.

I don’t remember where I saw this link, probably here and I apologize for not giving proper credit, but this.is.so.funny.

You pupses have the most wonderfullest day in the world!

safe travels and safe home,

ohmmmm

lip reading Mitt Romney

Judge Julius J. Hoffman, according to his wiki, former law partner of Mayor Daley the first

also responsible for the following line in John Prine’s Illegal Smile:

Well I went to court
And the judge’s name was Hoffman

Yes. And that must be changed withionh each human being, by themselves and in the company of others … whom they may trust.

“Their” weapon is fear … and the people’s utimate protection of themselves and each other depends entirely upon trust.

DW

Oldnslow, if you’re still here, I think the Independent Lens documentary may have been Chicago 10 — at least, it’s listed on their website. If so, it is available on Netflix. Thanks.

I’ll tell you one thing, that trial made for a great play.
I think we the audience acted as the jury. It’s was a long time ago, so I don’t remember much other than it was really heated.

In the true work of our lives, we find both meaning and salvation.

It has nothing, usually, to do with “nine to five”.

It is the inner knowing.

Which permits the inner … and then, the outer, growing.

DW

I found myself wondering last night when or if the time to not yield might come. And more importantly, would I still have the strength and conviction to stand the front line.

Thanks! It is a truly well done piece.

That first sentence is a keeper.
I’m writting it on my message mirror.
I took the mirrored sliding door off of a closet and leaned it on a wall and I write Stuff on it with erasable marker pens, all colors, and then I check out my Stuff from time to time. And, it’s a “full length mirror”, so I have to look at myself.
It’s an interesting tool.

Heh, decided I didn’t wanna go to work today. Called in well.

I have been anxious, fearful for some months. Then I asked myself the question I feared: “So, are you willing to die?”

“Yes,” is the answer and in it I have found peace. (Course this is hypothetical, still…).

Same place. Hypothetical perhaps, but….

Attaboy

I am firmly convinced, oldnslow, that all of us have been preparing for this time and THAT moment for all of our lives …

We each will do what we must … and what we can … what we are able to do.

By our lives and our loves, we have all shaped the possibilities of change.

We pass these things on to our children, as you have done, and that is a measure, and a reflection …

You are already standing on that front line, and from what I perceive of your being, there … you steadfastly will always remain.

I hope it does not offend you for me to say that you are a warrior for life, for liberty, for understanding and for justice. As are most everyone who have the courage and the humanity to see, to feel, and to care. You, however, ALWAYS, stand to the front.

Namaste

DW

:~D

I think I could and would do anything if someone I loved was in danger.

I don’t know what I would have the courage to do if it was someone else is my fear.

I can only say, thank you. Your wisdom never fails to brighten and enlighten my day.

Very interesting tool, demi.

It has a certain universal “applicablity”, one imagines.

Perhaps, we should send one to every member of the political class, which includes the media?

Although it would require courage and presence … to use it, properly.

DW

But can you just imagine what Eric Cantor or David Effing Brooks would have written on theirs? Certainly not messages of hope and inspiration.

there should probably be an apostrophe somewhere…

So,is Cain’s thinking that “liberals killed Jesus” going to divide the AIPAC support of the GOP? Cain pretty much missed the line he was drawing with his comment and it was not the pro Israel stance common with the GOP.

BTW, Christ and the 12 disciples did not end world poverty. Cain’s thinking is flawed on so many levels. Christ did model the societal compassion needed to help the poor, disenfranchised, despised, widowed, orphaned, and vulnerable members of society.

And Mr. Cain, Christ was a radical, not a conservative.

That’s correct, DW.
I guess I should get up from this desk and do…something.
Hope to see you all later.
SD, have a fun day. You going to go out? Tree, bird, people watch? You’re close to the beach aren’t you?
Oops, I forgot you said it was raining. Soup making perhaps.

me, too,

have a good one

I’m going to transfer some money to the CU.

I cringe at what I imagine they might write.
That Eric, he’s something else, isn’t he? Makes me feel dirty just thinking about him.

Off as well. Good day all.

Good girl.
I think I’m going to put a pork roast in the crock pot. I’m just getting off on this cooler, fall weather.

Take ‘er slow, dear.