Good evening, all — Phoenix here, holding down the Late Night fort. Here are a few stories from the past week that I’d like to share with you tonight:
David Dayen, October 6, 2011:
The New Bottom Line, the coalition of bank accountability groups, chose LA as the launch pad for a new wave of anti-bank direct actions that have been playing out all week (even despite some rainy weather today). Officially known as the Refund California campaign, local LA community organizers, homeowners and activists have put on public pressure in street actions this week aimed at making the banks pay for the wreckage they’ve caused to the economy.
On Monday, activists with the Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment held a teach-in on the extent of damage caused by Wall Street banks, with about 70 attendees – in the lobby of a Chase Bank downtown. On Tuesday, the California Bankers Association met in Los Angeles, and over 100 activists crashed the meeting. They took to the stage and rattled off a list of demands to make banks pay for the crisis and provide relief to homeowners and a rebirth to blighted neighborhoods.
[...]
Today, more direct actions are planned, with home visits to executives included. This culminates tomorrow with a big march at the California Plaza downtown. Over 1,000 activists are expected. The organizers have been in touch with the Occupy LA movement, and there’s a possibility that the two groups will march together tomorrow.
Even if they don’t, the vibrant spirit that characterizes the #Occupy protests is animating the bank accountability movement, you can definitely see that. The left has finally begun to mobilize and engage with a multiplicity of voices and strategies. And when facing as powerful a force as the finance lobby, there are advantages to that. As Peggy Mears, one of the leaders of Refund California, said in a statement, “Like the people occupying Wall Street right this minute, we all know that we have to stand up to the power of the Wall Street bankers with the power of the people.”
Here’s Wendy Davis, MyFDL, October 11, 2011, talking about her 94-year-old rock-ribbed Republican father:
We talked about the total corruption of our government, and the fascist nature of it now, and Obama’s complicity in selling out the 99% so cravenly, or worse. He read a couple of my diaries that mentioned revolution, and he even asked more about one key exchange between Robert Alexander Dumas and me in the comments section. He loved the Sweet Honey in the Rock videos I’d posted, and we dug up more for him on youtube.
At the breakfast this morning we talked some more; after a pause in the conversation, he cleared his throat a little and said, “You know; for about a year I’ve been thinking about revolution, and the fact that it seems to be the only chance we have to turn all this around.”
David Dayen, October 11, 2011:
It was just a week ago that Republicans tried to denigrate the Occupy Wall Street protesters as a “dangerous” “mob” who needed to “get a job” rather than “pit Americans against Americans.” Then they must have gotten the polling. So now, they’re changing their tune. Here’s Mitt Romney:
I don’t worry about the top one percent. I don’t stay up nights worrying about ‘gee we need to help them.’ I don’t worry about that. They’re doing just fine by themselves. I worry about the 99 percent in America. I want America, once again, to be the best place in the world to be middle-class. I want to have a strong and vibrant and prosperous middle-class. And so I look at what’s happening on Wall Street and my own view is, boy I understand how those people feel…The people in this country are upset.
And then, the distributor of the “mob” comments, Eric Cantor:
“People are upset, and they are justifiably frustrated,” Cantor told reporters at his weekly Capitol briefing. “They are out of work. The economy is not moving. Their sense of security for the future is not clear at all. People are afraid, and I get it.”
The greatest value so far (and possibly in the long run as well) of the Occupy Wall Street movement has been not so much in the shaping of electoral politics — though it’s already starting to influence that somewhat — but in its shoving the Overton Window away from the far right end of the spectrum, far enough away to make talk of meaningful solutions possible, which is the first step towards making them politically viable. Putting a surtax on the rich and/or letting the Bush tax cuts finally expire was considered politically verboten as recently as a month ago. Then Occupy Wall Street got started, and suddenly surtaxes on millionaires start becoming very much discussed indeed.
The Occupiers, so long as they are free agents not committed to a feudalistic fealty to a particular party (and that includes the Green Party, which in our current voting system can unfortunately be nothing but a tool for Republicans seeking to split non-Republican votes, which is why Republicans for many years have backed Greens over and over and over and over, again), can exert a lot of leverage. This is something that many key portions of the Democratic coalition, such as unions, have recently discovered: Allowing people like Barack Obama to take your support for granted, without your making it crystal-clear that backstabbing you will be politically costly, is the surest route to your group’s demise. History is filled with examples of people who enhanced their power, or the power of their group or country, through a strategic use of their unaffiliated status. Look at how the first Queen Elizabeth, who her advisers had wanted to get quickly married off to some European prince much as her older sister and royal predecessor Mary had been, played off the various crowned heads of Europe against each other; by the time advanced age had taken her off the marriage market, England had gone from a bankrupt near-backwater to setting the stage for a global empire. See also how Tito managed to not only keep together a fractious Yugoslavia, but keep it free from either Soviet or American domination throughout his years in power — a skill his successors grievously lacked.
Stay unaffiliated, stay in the headlines, have a multitude of strategies, and make your power felt that way.




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I did my (very) little bit today. Last week I got my bill for home insurance, to which there was attached a new $50 ‘administration fee.’ This morning I called the rep and I asked, what new administration were they doing for this fee? She was embarrassed and said it was a ‘new policy.’ I said, I’m not paying. She said, ‘do what you want.’ She doesn’t give a shit and knows its a scam. So I wrote the check for my policy plus taxes sans ‘administration fee.’ The MBA’s are looting this country. They know that most people won’t bother to call their agent for $50. That’s how the banks make their money.
fuck ‘em.
PW!
Occupy the Universe!
PW!
This really is one of the most fundamental things any movement like this can do, is to shift the public discussion and perception. That is fundamentally what the Civil Rights Movement, the Women’s Movement, and the 1960s Anti-War Movement did, to change the way people were thinking about the situation.
We wouldn’t be hearing serious talk of “great haircuts” (aka debt jubilees) moving out from academic circles and into the corporate news media except for OWS.
They’re making it okay to actually talk about things that would help the vast majority of us. And for these things to be implemented, they first have to be legitimized as objects of discussion. That’s what the Occupiers are doing.
I sat through a job related pitch for opening an account with the company’s bank. That guy stood there and flat lied when he said that the new ATM fee that B of A has begun and the others are following suit with is due to “new federal regulations”. I was the only one in that room who called him on it. After I shot his lie down, I told him that I felt insulted that just because I work in a printing shop, he thought I couldn’t read or something. Pure arrogance. We are sooooo beneath them that they don’t believe us capable of independent thought.
Exactly.
The corporatists have spent hundreds of billions since the 1970s working to control the US media to the point where things that once were “on the table” as acceptable solutions are no longer on the table — until now.
I doubt that is the end of it.
Watch your mail carefully so you do not miss a notice canceling your coverage.
Meanwhile, the one percent continue to manipulate their useful idiots: Herman Cain’s sudden surge powered by 9-9-9 plan
People who aren’t stinking rich and think a flat tax is a great idea are, and there is no way around this conclusion, morons.
On a different note, I’ve been saying for weeks and weeks, since speculation about his candidacy began that Rick Perry doesn’t have the chops to run for President and he proves me right daily. I mean, even if he didn’t have more skeletons than the Mütter Museum, he’d still stumble over his absolute, Sarah Palin league ignorance and stupidity. I think his fatal comment though, was last night when he said that the American Revolution occurred in the 16th century. Can we call Perry what he is now? Poser extraordinaire.
Wow! Good for you, Margaret.
Good for you.
Heel, things that were once uncontested standard practice are no longer on the table as acceptable solutions. Do you think Nixon would not have raised taxes and spent like a drunken sailor on leave given the current situation?
He sad WHAT?
Ohmigod, this guy makes Tim Tebow look like Albert Einstein.
Only in Teabagger world is “brain dead stupid” equated with “bold.”
He wouldn’t have dared. Enough Rockefeller Republicans existed then that they would have joined with people like Barry Goldwater to impeach him before the Democrats could.
I think you miss Perry’s point, which is that America is so exceptional that it can have its revolution 200 years before it actually happened. Kind of like a national Chuck Norris fact.
Jeanne Seaver probably likes Godfather’s pizza, too.
THE 99%ERS in San Luis Obispo CA has a march ay 5PM and another for Saturday. They started up on October 6 with a Farmer’s Market march. Here is their website http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/San-Luis-Obispo-CA/386682/ they will have some pictures up soon and will be contacting FDL. This is a town of 40,000 population. I hope your community can do it. There are some great signage at the top 50 best, just google that. I made a banner TAX the RICH and another sign for friends
STOP THE WAR
FEED THE POOR
Speaking of “brain dead stupid”, guess who officially came out against OWS today? Yup, Marty Peretz — aka “The Editors” — of TNR. That puts not only on the wrong side of history, it also puts him in opposition to Lech Walesa.
I think his fatal comment though, was last night when he said that the American Revolution occurred in the 16th century.
Unfortunately, in a party that takes Palin and Bachmann seriously, let alone Newt Gingrich, that probably is not enough to disqualify him. I do think you are right that he is a long shot, but in this Republican Party nothing is impossible (except reason and sanity).
Right? Say what you will about Palin but at least she’s smart enough to know that she’s too fucking stupid to run for President.
I do not think Peretz has ever been on the right side of history (or sanity).
I would speculate that he is venturing out of pure science denial and going into full on history denial, if I didn’t have personal knowledge that he’s about as sharp as a tennis ball.
I am not sure about that. I think that Palin just knows where the best grifting is and knows she does not have any deep pockets backers. Perry on the other had does and I think they are the ones pushing him forward. I suspect they see him as an amiable dup that they can manipulate, like Dubya was.
She may be stupid, but she’s got animal cunning. Look at all that free money she got a bunch of suckers to give her before she announced that she wasn’t going to run. She couldn’t clean up like that by running a campaign.
Exactly. As Mr. Eastwood said in one of his films a while back, “A man’s got to know his limitations.”
Palin has just enough brains to know how to grift. Goodhair can’t even pull that off properly.
the elites have always been terrified of an educated class
thus the billions spent on buying and dumbing down the USA news media
I repeat money does not make one smart
any sane person could see this coming, with internet and sites like FDL telling people the truth, eventually people would hit the streets
you can not ignore the “OBAMA FACTOR”
Obama being the worse USA president ever! has made a lot of the elites results to taking pills
the “OBAMA FACTOR” voters in 2008 wanted change, what they got was a Trojan Horse named OBAMA
the elites really messed up with OBAMA!
FDL members kept saying, OBAMA actions will lead to people hitting the streets, the elites laughed, now the elites are terrified.
the elites now know, what every sane progressive knew in 2008
the only people that will vote for OBAMA will be
Liberals
Progressives
Union Members
Black
Latinos
when Obama shitted on every group that voted for him in 2008, the only action left was to hit the streets
tonight OBAMA shitted on the 99% again!!! passing three free trade deals like NAFTA in the middle of OWS, was very, very, stupid!!!
Unions members already hate OBAMA, this will force more of them into the streets.
the dem convention in Charlotte is going to be HORROR show to say the least.
You apparently have a higher opinion of both him and the Republican electorate than I do. My point is only that being brain dead or totally deranged do not automatically disqualify you from winning the Republican primary.
It’s cunning and knowing how to stir the loins of her target market in that former-beauty-queen way of hers. She’d have no career if she looked like Bella Abzug.
Read it and cringe:
That’s me guv. Makes William J. Lepetomane look like a neurosurgeon.
Not sure about that. He seems to have some deep pockets backers, which Palin never really did.
Obama is no doubt hoping you’re right, as his continued residence at 1600 Pennsylvania hinges on Mitt Romney’s not making it out of the primaries.
Who said anything about the primary? I said he couldn’t successfully run for President, though I acknowledge that stupidity and ignorance are sometimes features in Republican prmaries, rather than flaws. Still, it’s my opinion that he’ll be in Bachmann territory by this time next week.
Romney has his own problems in the primaries (sanity and a degree of intelligence among them). His Massachusetts Romneycare and the magic underwear are probably the biggest. The former kills his support among the Teabaggers and the latter among the Talibangelicals and I do not see how you take the primary without substantial numbers of both.
His base are people who think Jesus rode a dinosaur. Do you think they care which century something happened?
You don’t have to convince me that he’s a fool. Just convince me which of the other seven clowns is going to be the nominee. Oh, and it won’t be the Mormon guys and it won’t be the black guy.
I think one thing is for sure, most Republicans are going to hate their nominee.
I generally agree about the general election, though if the economy is bad enough the “throw the bums out” sentiment may overwhelm reason and judgment even there.
Couldn’t help it . . . all that old media editing in me.
;-)
GREAT close in yer diary PW, outstanding summary, thanks!
As I suggested earlier today on a great thread, no need for agendas platforms and such it’s too early. Now it’s all about getting mo, gaining mo, traction and adding to the nubers.
N I honestly feel, as you document, change is already being felt,even this early in the game.
Us DFH’s have been waiting for something like this for a long time, I’m delighted at it all.
Again, great read n thanks to you and all the others today and thru it all with all the incredible coverage and insights and opinions.
“Mongo not know answer. Mongo merely pawn in game of life.”
Rick Perry done his Job, he kept Sarah Palin and Michelle B out of the GOP race. Rick Perry has always been a tool of the MOTU
Mitt Romney has always been a MOTU puppet
Rick Perry played the tea party like a bunch of fools! the Intelligent left can learn a lot from Rick Perry. The Tea Party is a group of MORONS, they could not see an Obvious Con Man name Rick Perry. The Intelligent Left needs to toy and play games with the Tea Party, everybody can act like an idiot, this is all you have to do to capture the attention of the Tea Party Morons, ask Rick Perry
Mitt Romney = Obama
Obama = Mitt Romney
the MOTU have made the 2012 an election where
Progressives hate OBAMA
and Tea Party followers hate Mitt Romney
Progressives and Tea Party groups may be force to recruit a candidate they can vote for, or vote for a guy they hate?
I think you may well be right, but it is still early days and I am not going to count him out just yet. The Goopers have been going through frontrunners like a toddler goes through Pampers.
Okay. Since everybody seems to be interpreting “he doesn’t have the chops to run for president”, to mean, “he’ll never win the Republican nomination”, I must be beginning to babble incoherently. I’d better go to bed sooner rather than later.
Oya!
We were on the streets and people driving by were honking and waving. The police and fire departments drove by and waved as they are facing cuts too. It was a nice demonstration and I hope that we can get a tent encampment going soon.
MBA -> More Bullshit America
Be my guest. Friendly wager? I say he’s peaked and will never see those numbers again.
Harumph!!!
*G*
Well, Perry does seem to thing that the 19th century is current events.
that is music to my ears
Oh, you were talking about the general? Yes, he would be a babbling idiot. And TV talking heads would hang on his every word like it was shining gold.
Still wouldn’t be as fun as Bachmann.
I didn’t get a Hrumph from that guy!
As I said, I think you are probably right, but I am not ready to put any money on it. At the rate they are going, they are going to run out of new frontrunners before December.
Oh, not money. Just a drink when I make it up there.
“I’m watching you, buddy!”
That or the rest of us are just a bit slow on the uptake. Take care.
Yeah, n then what happens?
THis one is shaping up to be really, really weird I think . . . .
Oh hell, if you ever make it up here, I am buying you a drink just for the pleasure of your company.
Yeah, I doubt that! :
*G*
That, my friend, is the $20 billion question. I don’t think weird even begins to cover this situation.
These people say they love America, but they all seem to think it got onto the wrong track about 1800. So they really love imaginary, parallel-universe America where Jefferson wasn’t President (I suppose John Adams would have won), and the Civil War was never fought, or maybe the Confederacy won.
I don’t think it’s going to have precedent to be honest. I think whomever is elected, installed, whatever is going to be making some major concessions to whatever the OWS/99% movement evolves into by then.
Indeed.
There’s NOTHING I can think of to cover this weird, not even HST weird.
Should be great entertainment, and a shocking ending, too.
Yeah. It’s….dynamic to say the least. I just wonder if people are going to sit still for the same old candidate from the same old establishment again…
Are the regional occupations necessarily a good development?
I think the 81 year old white guy said it best
the GOP/Tea Party hates Obama more than they love the USA
it is this simple, it has always been this simple
the GOP elite will probably put Herman Cain in the VP spot below Mitt Romney
Herman Cain attacking OBAMA hides the Racist Groups that make up the GOP
Herman Cain coming out of no where is a little strange? remember the corporate elite control the media
how many sane people think a black man can win a GOP nomination? not many I know
the MOTU know their OBAMA puppet time is up
In the back of my mind is military coup, violent repression and more in support of the oligarchy.
In the front of my mind are thoughts like yours I try and suppress for fear of not happening like that . . . bless ya for the courage to see light.
I sure HOPE it’s yer vision that prevails . . . . heh, there’s a diary, a list of all things that could and might go wrong or right . . .
Vote rigging, SCOTUS, mayhem and murder, full financial collapse by ’12, Iran, n that leaves the batshit crazed GOPer elements yet to be listed . . . *G*
Well, that is one reason I do not categorically exclude Perry (or Bachmann). On the other hand, if some modest degree of sanity prevails among the general electorate, it will be Romney or Obama, i.e., more of same or slightly worse.
awesome development
occupying the USA proves that intelligent life lives in the USA
the tea party morons or USA cancer spread all over the USA, now it is time for some CHEMO/ Or OWS
That’s not a diary… that’s a book!
And it’s just beginning to scare them.
An encyclopedia even.
Really gotta sleep tho. Out!
That’s been bandied about a lot lately, so far I have NO ability to discount it off the top of my head . . . scary, but again, I refuse to vote for lesser evilism . . . mine’s goin Green and the rest the devil can sort out.
;-)
Fiction? Or SciFi? Or, horror?
Night! I am going to toddle off as well. More young minds to corrupt in the morning. Take care all.
I’m gonna follow Margaret’s example and hit the hay. Be excellent to each other!
Bill Clinton on Letterman saying what OWS is about.
I, too, think an educated and informed 99% is the biggest threat to the oligarchy. Thus, the concerted effort to defund public schools, colleges and universities. Thus, the concerted effort to drive the best teachers out of the profession with salary limitations, constant denigration and the reduction of what happens in the classroom to little more than teaching to the federally required test.
How long do you think it will be before they restrict or take down the internet? There’s just way too much free flow of information on the net for it to be allowed to continue.
Funny stuff ya Firebaggers, thanks and here’s hoping.
I gotta muck about here at home . . . Margaret, two temp agency’s now fully dedicated to me as a favorite candidate for placement, might start getting interviews and offers for placement within a week.
Damn it’s been hard work educating them why my weight, unemployment record in past 5 years and my age don’t matter to their clients.
I still got the mojo, they got it!!!! Took 3 meetings with each one over two weeks to get there . . . . hope springs eternal again.
Best to all FireBggers, I liked what someone said above, Occupy The Universe!
*G*
There’s a reason the White House made sure that Isikoff found the White House communications showing that the ACA used Romneycare for a model: They know that this kills him with the hardcore GOPers.
And now I really AM going nighty-night. G’night!
You think it will take that long?
Belgium just nationalized the bank Dexia. It had already been bailed out once, back in the day. When they ran their bank stress tests a few months back, Dexia was the second-strongest bank in Europe. The cost to Belgium will be 17% of their GDP.
Slovakia voted against expanding the bailout agency (EFCF or whatever). It requires all EU nations to approve it, so it’s stopped for now. It triggered a no-confidence vote and they will have a new government, which will probably approve it.
Greece’s Finance Ministry is on strike for nine days, so no taxes being collected to try to service their debt.
They are putting a brave face on it, but I don’t think they can kick the can down the road one more time. Defaults, cascading failures, etc. The EU will probably be toast by Christmas.
Shoot, I thought you were going to have a reference to Chuck Todd. Same level of intelligence and awareness.
The Overton Window is garbage. Occupy Together could never have happened if its participants were under the spell of some magic “Overton Window” supposedly controlling us.
And your bullshit slams on the Green Party grow really tiresome, especially when the Republican Party supports the Democratic Party to a far, FAR greater extent than they support the Green Party.
this is nothing new, this is a story as old as time
we think being Rich = being Smart, this is normally not the case
the Rich always over reach, read history? and one will see this story come up over, and over again.
the USA elites and USA would have crashed a long time ago if it was not for FDR!
FDR saved the USA and his policies are the only reason the USA is not burning down at this moment
imagine if Social Security, Medicade, Medicare, Food Stamps, were not active USA programs? can u say national riots all over the USA? thank god for FDR
instead OWS, you would have a full blown USA revolution
the USA elites messed up, they got to greedy
most of the intelligent world has already left the USA behind
the USA has been dying for years
Europe does not look to USA for leadership, all one has to do is look at an USA airport, AMTRAC, etc. and one quickly realizes the USA is a Dinosaur
what does the USA lead the world in? Homicides? the USA has the highest murder rate in the World
again I repeat being smart does not make one smart
OWS is just the tip of the ice berg, some of the elites know what is coming, and are probably packing up and moving to Europe as we speak,
the elites putting the Trojan Horse OBAMA in the WH was a real bad idea!
Michael Moore said recently that he thought that the left and right would run their own candidates. Four parties! And that the liberals would win if that were the case.
According to this list, 31 countries have higher murder rates than the USA.
99ers.
Here is what we need to be demanding as our one big start as THE demand of the people. This ONe thing will give you most all being asked for. It will force the Dems to chose sides and show their true colors as well.
State Banks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0rJWnRFUJA
North Dakota has a state bank . It is not in debt. Its people are protected from foreclosure. Its private farms are protected from Big Ag. They have jobs and no real unemployment.
This is a clear answer and it it THE ANSWER to address a huge chunk of our demands.
If the Dems endorse OWS, let them prove it by awarding all the remaining 49 states State Bank Charters and helping them to get them going. If they refuse, the party should be abolished and sent to sit with the Repubs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad0gant1zeo
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112420/why-north-dakota-may-be-best-state-in-country-to-live-in
North Dakota Expecting 700 Million Dollar Budget Surplus 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxsrjrw55_I&NR=1
Wall Street may not be occupied for much longer.
Bloomberg tells Occupy Wall Street protesters to clear Zuccotti Park by Friday
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2011/10/3722467/bloomberg-tells-occupy-wall-street-protesters-clear-zuccotti-park-fr
Looks like Bloomberg is going to do the Boston Sweep.
Hang on People.
Oh dear. There is so much to agree with in this post that I feel a bit odd to criticize at all, but I think there’s something important to say here.
It may not have been the intent of the author to imply that the primary usefulness of the Occupy movement is “shoving the Overton Window away from the far right end of the spectrum, far enough away to make talk of meaningful solutions possible, which is the first step towards making them politically viable”, but that was the impression I got from that paragraph.
In my view, movement of the Overton Window, and all political possibilities follow the developments in social conciousness, it does not precede them, much less produce them. It is that social conciousness that is the wider platform upon which the Overton Window moves.
The greatest value of the Occupy movement will be, and must be if it is to be of lasting value at all, to deepen the waters of consciousness if you will, to develop a more refined understanding of who we are, a more subtle discernment of why we live, a more developed virtue of compassion (meaning to suffer or feel together). This is the great potential of this movement.
Politics always lags social reality. The Overton Window will move automatically as real conciousness grows.