Wow, great clip.

Thank you!

Related, via Yves Smith: Ray Kelly’s white-shirted, pepper-spraying, baton-wielding thugs might actually be be paid by the banksters.

The banksters understand ROI: it’s cheaper to pay for an existing police force than create one of your own.

Good. I’m glad that fewer tax dollars are being spent and that there is some pain inflicted on the Banksters wallets. Because their wallets are all that matter.

Boxturtle (The banksters politicians will be wanting paid soon, too)

There’s a dichotomy emerging between cities whose governments support OWS (Los Angeles, Cleveland, Seattle) and those antagonistic to the movement (New York, Boston, Sacramento). A real split that reflects a clash in the underlying politics. Much more needs to be known about this.

Actually, if the report is correct, John Q. Public pays for training and equipping these officers,
pays the benefits any overtime, and indemnifies the banks from any law suits. All for $37/hour,
which is petty cash by bankster standards.
Seems like a pretty good deal for Jamie Dimon and friends.

Here’s a good song to encapsulate the last few years.

Obama 2012, Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMJNQDcHoCg

Yeah, he dropped a shit bomb on the working and middle class.

Gotta love the way Ms. Maddow wastes no time trying to turn it into a tribal issue./s You can add her to the list of peeps that just don’t get it.

From a poster at your link. have to agree. do you think we can get FDl to cover this on front page

I think that renting a cop for #OWS is a great idea–either the attempt to rent a cop is rebuffed by the NYPD and that’s a controversy that highlights OWS’s main theme, or they actually get a cop standing there with a baton protecting the first amendment rights (such as they are) of OWS, and, presumably, staring back at the phalanx of actual cops, and that will obviously highlight the absurdity of the situation.

and tie it to this. Until we change the way money works teh bankers will have all the power

Bill Still

Pillar #1: End government borrowing. A sovereign nation does not have to borrow, in fact, being debt-free is the very definition of sovereignty. Pay off the existing bonds — which is our National Debt — as they come due, but pay them off with debt free U.S. Notes (or their electronic equivalents) instead of Federal Reserve Notes, which are all borrowed into existence.

Please see my short (3 min 54 sec) YouTube on this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9oKt6vT-w

Pillar #2: Banks should only be able to lend money they actually have. This is called “full-reserve” banking. Before the crash, commercial banks were lending out between 10 and 300 times the amount of money they actually had. Therefore, they are in complete control of theAmerican money supply, instead of we, the people being in control as is called for in Article 8:

“The Congress shall have Power To … coin Money, [and] regulate the Value thereof….”

Please see my short (5 min) YouTube on this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEfalVnMJI

He’s done his research but I am pissed at Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, all of CNN. All they would have to do is read the statement that makes clear what OWS is about. I wanted to find out, so I looked it up. It’s incredible that our media doesn’t have the critical analysis skills necessary to do this for themselves!

It’s pretty clear that Grayson did the research and he has always been especially good at framing things!

Yeah. Nobody said the banksters weren’t still getting a good deal.

I hope when this is over that somebody compares the costs to the OWS friendly cities with the costs to the OWS hostile cities. I’m betting that NYC and Boston are going to spend a heck of a lot more than LA.

Boxturtle (The lawsuit for the pepper spray in NYC is likely to cost more than LA spends)

Perhaps Maddow chooses not to get it. I used to be a big fan of hers, but in recent months she has become an apologist for every politician and strategist with a D after his or her name.

Mornin’, BT, pups

It will be interesting to see if the people who are participating in the various Occupys form movements in the localities where they live. That’s where change is really going to start. It’s the energy of the young that will drive these movements. Those who spent their time and energy at the Occupys are learning what it takes to force change. Not from the top down, but from the bottom up.

Swimiming in with two links, WI Democaratic Caucus announces recall of Walker sooner than later.

DKos

LA Times

Thank you, BT and hej to all the pupses.

I didn’t like the way Maddow immediately tried to frame this politically, and kept referring to the ‘right’. She doesn’t get the importance of including all of the 99%. I felt alienated immediately. OWS has already sensitized me to terms that contribute to “Otherizing”.

The video of Grayson on Bill Mahrs show is a lot better. These t,v, “pundits” are paid to make this movement about something else. The contempt and sarcasm shown to these protesters is unbelievable. I hope this grows and fills all the streets in the USA and it shut this country down for a week. Then these PTB will stop and listen. /rant off

Morning BT & Pups of Fire.

Don’t worry. The media will provide good coverage of the occupation movement…

A few remarks from Ian Welsh’s blog.

Here

and here…

She is an Obamabot who has turned into a MSM hack. Ever since her 3 day coverage of the lame duck session and “all” the great things O did all she does is cheer lead for the D party. It is sickening and I don’t watch her anymore.

The sooner, the better for that cross-eyed, bought-and-paid-for half-wit…

This is truly creepy. Circulating widely…

I agree tam, I used to like her and assume she knows better considering her academic background.

She is part of the controlled paradigm. She rode into town around the same time as O so it was hard to see who she was during so much bread and circus. O was sold as the man of the people, came out of nowhere, his corporate cash overlooked. beginning to think at some point hillary signed on to play the game for him. By staying in the race for as long as she did, she ket him front and center and he got plenty of air time for hil and O debates. Had she dropped out sooner he would have had to find another way to keep his profile strong all over the country. would not have been easy.

Right vs Left is a charade.
A shadow play.
It’s top vs bottom
With legislated oppression
sandwiched in between.

You should look into the history of Rhodes and judge teh rhodes scholarship in that light. Very creepy

Well that seems correct about Boston nearby. A mass arrest there, which must have been orchestrated.

That’s surprising, since the city bends over backward to be student and academe friendly in so many ways — from the gitgo the protesters weren’t even made to pay the required fee for a demonstration permit, or even get a permit at all.

The situation now seems to be turning brown suggesting the powers are uncomfortable here.

Heard someone yesterday suggest a one day General Strike on December 7th, the date of Pearl Harbor. Everyone either walks out or stays home.

She has aspirations of being a rich, pampered and privileged celebrity, in other words a 1%er.

That’s the only way to hurt the fascist PTB is in the wallet. I hope that spreads.

Do you find it different now, how you look at the problems facing the country. I haven’t watched MSM for years, and over the past months have even stopped reading other sites as much, and focusing more on FDL.

I think that it is reading the liveblog on OWS that has changed the filter for me now. For better or for worse, I don’t see this as political.

Of course, leads me to wonder if there is a political solution. And that leads me to wonder what the process will actually be?

It is a whole new world of possibilities. We are only limited by our imaginations, or our filters.

Yep, Bubba took that path, no?

Great idea.

Maybe something similar could be arranged for his half-brother, BarryO.

…if by “good” you mean “biased in favor of our Evil Corporate Overlords.”

When you have a chance, RevBev has an excellent diary Inside/Outside Occupy Philly

Is anyone a Terry Pratchett reader? New book out!

Somewhat. I came out of Nam and studied Marx and socialism. Even then one could see the gains being made by the monied ruling class. Socialism as seen by the “right” is not the answer. We’re in fascism lite now. Either we force change or we’ll be just another fascist country. The poor and old will starve to death, there’s no gleaning of fields with agribusiness, no health care for those without money.

The burden now lies on the angry youth. They’ll have to accomplish what we could not. All we can do is give advice and support.

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

US KIA Afghanistan: 1,805

US KIA Irak: 4,477

Afghan, Iraki and Pakistaki casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M

US MBS 201: 35,092 and counting

Man in Black

No war but class war

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things

Namaste

Never. Give. Up.

take care, SD

I’m off too. Exciting times, but I admit to feeling a little anxious, all the same. Good anxious, I think.

safe travels and safe home, all you pupses

ohmmm

There are a lot of people who want change to happen almost overnight. They think that Congress and the WH can be persuaded to change course because of unrest. Many want change but want somebody else to do it for them. Viet Nam should have taught them we can’t rely on politicians to do it. It may take 10-20 years to get what we need and many are not willing to work for that long or wait that long. We must help those who see the future as a constant struggle. SEALs have a saying, “The only easy day was yesterday.”

what we need to change is our monetary system. if we do not fix that we change nothing, and whatever ism, or whatever it is called, we live under will still suck for the people

What would you suggest?

I think a general strike would be the next logical step. IIRC the events in Egypt went that way. People stopped going to work and joined those already in the streets and that was when the tide really turned with no going back. It would no doubt be a more challenging endeavor here than in Eqypt and might have to be done in an incremental fashion, much as the Occupy movement has spread. When Occupy reaches critical mass, peaks if you will, it should move on to the next step, that being a worker strike in some form. With social/political movements momentum is critical.

Your comments are spot on. Several weeks ago one of the pups here at FDL coined the term “the Apologencia” to replace the term “Obamabots.” I’ve appropriated the term Apologencia and I’d suggest it applies to Rachel.

That’s a good one. And, they began referring to “Osterity,” so maybe it should be spelled “Opologencia.”

Superb comments, SD.

The absolute truth.

“It” takes time … and the willingness to put oneself on the line. That is what “it” is about.

Change will take as long to “come about”, as it does, and cost as much as is necessary …

DW

Just got here, haven’t read the comments (or watched Rachel yet), but if you don’t like her framing and think she doesn’t get it, go over to her blog and leave a pointed message. That’s what I’m going to do after I’ve watched the clip.

I think it’s pretty obvious from Bill Maher’s last show, in which both Alan Grayson and professional piece-of-crap pj o’rourke both appeared, that Bill is part of the problem and clueless about the solution.

Brilliant!

That’s not RevBev, that’s RevDEB. She used to be a regular commenter here at FDL, but haven’t seen her for quite awhile and I’ve missed her.

have you watched Bill Still Money Masters. he did in the 90″s you can goggle it. he really explains how we have been held hostage by the banking cartel and how without fixing that we fix nothing. you can also watch his latests clips that explain what needs to happen. i really think FDl should contact him and get him on here. I think he would help a lot of people understand what is going on and what he has to say is important at this time

Pillar #1: End government borrowing. A sovereign nation does not have to borrow, in fact, being debt-free is the very definition of sovereignty. Pay off the existing bonds — which is our National Debt — as they come due, but pay them off with debt free U.S. Notes (or their electronic equivalents) instead of Federal Reserve Notes, which are all borrowed into existence.

Please see my short (3 min 54 sec) YouTube on this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9oKt6vT-w

Pillar #2: Banks should only be able to lend money they actually have. This is called “full-reserve” banking. Before the crash, commercial banks were lending out between 10 and 300 times the amount of money they actually had. Therefore, they are in complete control of theAmerican money supply, instead of we, the people being in control as is called for in Article 8:

“The Congress shall have Power To … coin Money, [and] regulate the Value thereof….”

Please see my short (5 min) YouTube on this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEfalVnMJI

She does get it and she is part of the left vs right illusion. leave her a comment but not sure it would do any good, as she is paid to do what she does and I am not sure she is prepared to start telling the truth

msmolly, thank you!

Sorry for the error, RevBev and RevDeb. It should have clicked for me, location-wise, at least.

It was a great diary, in any case.

and msmolly, your comment to Rachel is a good idea, thanks.

I think you are right about that, but msmolly’s idea of comments is very good in that readers often can find the comments as thought provoking and informative as the article or video itself.

I think you are right about that, but msmolly’s idea of comments is very good in that readers often can find the comments as thought provoking and informative as the article or video itself.

The FDL website seems to be struggling this morning. I am getting delays and database error messages…

I’m not getting database errors, but the pages are very slow to load. They nuked a diarist over at MyFDL who was posting multiple diaries about car loans, and then his/her name was on others’ diaries. Wierd!

I’m not so sure that Occ Boston didn’t make a strategic mistake.

Boston PD tried to get them to move off one particualr section of the Greenway and told them they could camp on another section of the greenway or back in the original park.

This is not much different than NYPD telling OWS that they could be in Liberty Plaza but not on Wall Street itself–which OWS has mostly honored. You don’t see OWS trying to sleep on WS itself.

The Occ Boston folks who went to the designated areas were not arrested, only the ones who refused to leave the prohibited section.

Which is not to condone the vandalism of the police response. If currently reporting is accurate, however, there were few injuries and police brought EMS with them to deal with any injuries.

So, I would not necessarily jump to lump Boston in with LA or NYC in terms of hostility to the idea of the occupation.

If the reporting by the Boston papers is accurate, it seems Boston will tolerate the occupation, but on pretty controlled terms.

I think she was deeply scared by what happened to Keith Olberman (he was her mentor and sponsor onto MSNBC)and all her courage disappeared along with him

Astute observation.

Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)

Maddow toes the line because she’s afraid of losing her job.

Workers won’t walk out of their workplace because they’re afraid of losing their job.

No job equals no health insurance. We are held hostage by for-profit insuance companies.

At our GA the top demand was healthcare for all as a universal human right.

They are learning indeed. The 1st thing they’re going to learn is that changing things is a scary risky proposition and always has been. The 2nd thing is the PTB will resist in every way possible, its what they do. They are not going to go quietly into the night and they don’t care about our grievances, legitimate or not. I thought GOP candidate Herman “Pizzaman” Cain was clearly expressing sentiment on the right in this country when he said something like “if you unemployed get a job and if your not rich tough.” That sums up what the right thinks. They are not in any way responsible for anyone but themselves and so are we. We aren’t a community or a nation just a bunch of random individuals thrashing about on our own.

just a bunch of random individuals thrashing about on our own.

Maybe it will be like what happens when you make felt from wool. The individual fibers of the dry wool don’t mesh very well on their own, but just put them in hot water and agitate them with a little pressure.

Before you know it they have locked together and there is no way to separate them.

Spot on, Tiger.

Maddow has one foot in the “clap louder, dammit!” camp. I don’t know whether her success has done that, or what, but the tactic of finding the craziest republican shit, to rant about, while ignoring what Obama has done to progressives, is pernicious stuff. Obama came in with the mandate and the tools and the political clout to take on Wall Street (and the republicans) and instead, he’s been exchanging assrubs with them for his time in office.

William Daley as CofS, and Jeffrey Immelt as “jobs czar” are the tip of the corporate iceberg.

In fairness, rather soon, Grayson, himself, is going to have to start specifically talking about Obama’s feckless shit, or he’s going to be just another herring-dragger.

Relative to that, Liz Warren got off a good speech the other day, about the conservative philosophy, but she left unsaid, that Obama has done so very much to sustain and promulgate it. That is going to have to change in 2012, or she is going to join Obama as a political footnote.

Nice metaphor. How you doing, girl friend?

“herring-dragger” LOL. I think I’ll add that to my personal lexicon, with your permission.

Can’t complain, rc. How about you, we don’t cross paths as much as we used to :(

You did yourself proud last night, my friend.

Gee, what a stroll through the pages that would be…*g*

The Dems are for the top One percent, the Republicans are for the top Tenth of a percent. Occupy Wall Street and Alan Grayson point out that there is another group in America, THE BOTTOM 99%.

Don’t feel slighted, I’m always aware of your presence, just dealing with an info-processing overload these days lol. That comment last night did get a positive response. Not bad for a fleshie, huh? ;-)

Not too shabby :)

Stay in touch, rc, and we’ll catch up when we can.

LOL. I was wondering if anyone else noticed that! Yay TT!

All yours, ‘Checker. Use it only for good, my friend. :o)

Seriously, I pass around so many of the good things that are posted here, I’m only too glad to put one into the hopper. That popped into my head months ago, when I was dealing with the frustration of reading another thread by Digby, complaining about Sarah Palin talking out of her ass, while Barack Obama was hosing progressives cross-eyed. That, and shaking the republican feardolls at us, to try to cover O’s butt, are the order of the day at Digby’s.

E.G., From TammanyTiger a while back:

“Neville Chamberlain called the White House. He wants his strategy playbook back.” :o)

In other news, I see where the charade of the new, re-empowered Obama is about to hit the reality wall:

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20111011/D9QA504G1.html

If it quacks like a duck, and hobbles like a duck, then, it’s a lame duck…and the republicans damn well know it.

to finish the “all we can do” list:

listen and learn.

OK. I’m always here.

Too truthy.

The only person I watch is Keith O. I hope he doesn’t sell out but I get most of my news from FDL. One of the few places that tells the truth.

It’s troubling to me to see so many people here arguing that there is no left-right dichotomy and that doing so is alienating. I strongly recommend people read Corey Robin’s new book “The Reactionary Mind.” Briefly put, there has been a pretty clear division between right and left since at least the French Revolution (and I would argue earlier, even going back to ancient Rome and Greece).

You’re not going to get conservatives marching in OWS protests unless they essentially abandon their political ideology (which they may well do without realizing it) or conversely by turning the protests into a defense of supporting the aristocracy (which is what Ron Paul conservatives want) – because conservatism is by its very nature, a reaction against attempts by subordinate groups like workers and minorities to gain greater power.

Thanks, amigo. The power of language is the most realest power we have right now. And, to repay your generousity, I offer you full license to make the widest possible use of “fleshie,” i.e. a non-corporation that actually passes feces that have an unrelenting bad aroma.;-)

Cenk Uygur is also a pretty good truth-teller.

Who’s my bud? :o)

Yes I forgot him and he is coming to Current TV with the You Turks later this fall. Thanks for the reminder. I posted a new diary on the occupy St. Louis movement it looks like the police are going to try and clear them for the baseball playoffs this week.

I’se your bud lol.

there’s no gleaning of fields with agribusiness

I’m a very visual person and I see very little light when I look at your words. Very cold and very dark.

Nothing’s warmer than “fleshie.” ;-)

Hopefully none of us has stopped listening and learning. I haven’t.

A glimpse of what could very well become a stark reality. Not a pleasant picture and one that should inspire people to not let happen.