Alan Grayson sat quietly, patiently, while Bill Maher’s guests, P.J. O’Rourke and Nicolle Wallace dissed the Occupy Wall Street participants and ridiculed the “bongo drum” atmosphere. At one point, Ms. Wallace revealed her inner fears by wondering aloud how and where the Occupiers relieved themselves. I wondered if she needed a break.
Then it was Grayson’s turn. Watch the audience reaction.
Poor Nicolle, I thought she might pee on the set just worrying about it. It did not occur to her that humans have the capacity to figure out solutions to such normal problems in a few hours, not three weeks later.
I was walking around the tent area at Occupy Boston yesterday, and an older woman with what I believe to be a British accent asked one of the young occupants, “can you tell me where the loo is?” He looked at her and said, “um, what?” She asked him again, “where’s the loo?” and he said he didn’t understand.
So I asked her if she meant restrooms? “Yes.” I explained they’ve been using the loos in the South Station, which is the main bus/rail and subway terminal in downtown Boston, right across the street from Dewey Square, the small park where they’ve set up their tents. She explained she didn’t know the local terms, but I assured her they work the same here as they do there.
The interesting thing was the Occupy rally going on while I was there. On another side of the plaza is the (ugly) imposing building for the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston. The Fed building is about as impersonal a structure as one can imagine and still call it architecture. It’s a very tall, intimidating building that overlooks — or should I say looks down upon — but is not apparently connected to, Boston’s financial district on the other side of the plaza. In those financial buildings, people invest billions in global businesses. There are also people who helped make Mitt Romney rich and some who secretly finance Mitt Romney’s campaigns with the money they made deciding which companies to buy, break up, sell and outsource the jobs.
But the Occupy group was holding a rally in front of the Fed’s main entrance, and I could hear the crowd repeating each speaker’s words, one phrase at a time. It was an anybody can talk session, so the topic varied with every speaker. Some wanted to abolish the Fed, though I don’t assume they were Ron Paul supporters, but who knows? But several of the speakers wanted to comment on how polite and supportive the Boston police had been.
I just want to say . . . [I just want to say . . .]
That the Boston police have done . . . [That the Boston police have done . . .]
A much better job of protecting us . . . [A much better job of protecting us. . . ]
Than the NYPD. . . . [Than the NYPD] — huge cheers and applause!
These speeches were happening in front of the the Federal Reserve Bank building, and a ring of police was standing between the crowd and main entry doors to the building. There were about a dozen police in front, and I spotted several others standing around elsewhere, though not enough to suggest anyone was expecting any trouble. The officers standing in front didn’t react when the crowd complimented and cheered them.
Boston’s Mayor Menino, an old line Democrat in a Democratic town, has been generally supportive, and the police have been cooperative, while the Occupiers have given them no cause to be otherwise.
I don’t know what the crowd was actually thinking when they cheered the police, but I’m fairly certain that the police are there at least in part because the authorities and property owners believe the building entrance and its occupants may at some point need to be protected if something unexpected happens — think about the D.C. provocateur at the Air and Space Museum. This was Saturday, so almost no one was going in/out the Fed’s front doors. Higher level execs and employees could have been using a parking entrance underneath.
But it was an interesting disconnect between why the police were probably there and the crowd’s spoken view that the police were there to protect them. It reminded me of the Egyptians in Tahir Square thinking the army was there to protect them, and they did for a while, but those who led the army had their own agenda.



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Why should anything Grayson sez be cheered? BC he is irrelevant?
Actually, because he summed up the situation pretty well and clearly. And the audience responded the way they did because they understood that. As the OWS people do, even if they don’t have the background to articulate it clearly. Yet.
I think the cheering is for what the man said, not necessarily for who he is. The point is the contrast between the audience reactions to one set of statements versus their reactions to his.
Fair enough. My point is that Grayson is irrelevant bc he is a pol who cannot get elected.
Direct action by peeps. Furgetabout pol creatures like Grayson.
Agreed. And, the rest of the panel plus host totally dismissed concerns, trying to score humor points off each other.
I don’t think we can say with much certainty who can or cannot be elected, or be in a position to influence government, a year from now. Seems to me, one of the things the Occupy movement is doing is changing the possibilities. And we needed to change them.
Here’s the “message”, for the clueless, “JUMP FUCKERS!” Rid us of your thieving hides!
Inclined to agree about that. I habitually delete his emails without reading them. But, in that moment, I think he said the right thing. What is puzzling to me is why Maher chose to play The Obtuse One in that segment. I’ve watched him for many years, and I’m quite certain he knows better than what he showed there. On the other hand, I’ve long suspected that he might have a strong man-crush on P.J. O’ Rourke lol.
Grayson got all those numbers right. If that doesn’t say something nothing will. O’Rourke tried to make it ” funny” but he failed. One for Grayson. We need this guy. And as someone said above, the audience gets it as do the people on OWS.
Yep. Anyone who can relay the message accurately on MSM is to be cheered, even if not elected. Elections are kind of what’s irrelevant…
We need to get Grason back to Washington!
Exactly right. I just hope they can keep it going. It is a breath of fresh air in the political stink we have been watching.
OK. I still watch newshour. I can’t help it. And David Brook is there saying oh there are couple of hundred people here and there…their message is kind of muddled…but what I don’t agree with and that I think is kind of dangerous (there’s that word again) is that 99% are good and 1% is evil.
Mark Shields actually got fired up and told the other two why people are so pissed off at the banks. Didn’t quite get the Dems Don’t Get It memo, but he did push the antiBank sentiment, which is something.
Why.
Thank you, Scarecrow!
Who could have imagined that the mother tongue would be at such a remove from the American version that the Brit “euphemism” would, even as a curiousity, not be hunderstood?
Grayson may not be “electable”, however the audience could well understand the difference in the “language” being used by O’Rouke and Wallace and that being used by Grayson and Maher …
The “pundits” are clearyrevealing themselves as twittering apologists for all that is graling, obviously, wrong … as paid lackeys of the political class of which they are an integral part … and the people do seem to be grasping the truth beyond the right-left befoggalment.
I have been enjoying your posts very much, Scarecrow.
DW
More than a couple of hundred and all over the country. The 1% refers to those who run the country, represent moneyied interests and are often corrupt. It does not mean they are all that way but we know where the corruption comes from. And we want it changed.
It’s progress just to have these two not spend their PBS time lamenting that we can’t get agreement to cut spending on “entitlement” programs.
As I’ve said before, anyone who says they don’t understand why thousands are standing and screaming outside the glassy towers of Wall Street are being disingenuous. It’s obvious to anyone who has lived over the past 4 years.
Egyptians in Tahir Square thinking the army was there to protect them – until it didn’t.
I love the energy of OWS and I admire the protesters. I have one thing to say to them: DON’T TRUST THE POLICE – never ever ever!
When Alan Grayson called ORourke’s nonsense “nonsense”, an angel smiled. Actually, PJ’s sthtick has been old for quite a long time, punching hippies. Bill Maher said PJ has always hated the hippies, even at National Lampoon, his one claim to fame.
You can hate the hippies, the merely ironically hip, or the lazy bums who have no home. But some people in the 60′s and 70′s (and 80′s 90′s etc) fought for peace and justice and freedom. PJ was not one of those people. And he never will be.
What does PJ do now. He is a propagandist for the Once Percenters at the Fascist Cato Institute.
The audience cheered for the defender of OWS. And they did not cheer for the ass holes making fun of OWS. And that’s the point.
That is indeed one of the conversations that must be changed. We do NOT want to go backwards anymore.
thank you. Just talked with an long time FDL friend, RevDeb, and she was reminding me that a year ago I said what the country needs is something chaotic, something totally unexpected, to change the conversation and open new possibilities. Well, a bunch of kids (to this old crow) just handed it to the country . . . Who woulda known? May we be wise enough to use and not abuse the gift.
because there must be someone to challenge the meme that “the message is muddled…” or “what do they want?”
I’m not wed to Grayson, but he did it in this example. that’s all.
indeed. see what David Brooks did there? saying that OWS is saying one percent is evil…
For sure, may we always call bullshit on those who make fun of human misery.
P. J. thinks he’s funny; I can’t stand Maher who would say anything for ratings, and that woman is a complete idiot. Grayson is absolutely correct – he speaks for me and you.
Jeez, how could I forget ol’ Nicolle was McCain’s PR lady? ugh!!!
Yes, the unexpected, yet most-welcome understanding coupled with deliberate courage … no one may now guess the outcome, but this old revolutionary sees the positive effect and shared ethos that OWS has “tapped” as an enegry that has been biding its time for decades.
May we indeed follow such wisdom, Scarecrow!
;~DW
Another interesting future attraction at Occupy Boston is that the student progressive caucus at Harvard is planning a march from Harvard to Occupy Boston in the next day or so. it would be interesting if they returned the favor and all later marched back to protest in front of the Harvard Business School or the Economics Department. It starts there.
O please, please march to that fucked up economics department that houses those idiots that sell their talking points on MSM.
They can’t be happy with Summers’ investments of the past
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/11/29/how-larry-summers-lost-harvard-18-billion/
Thank you, Scarecrow. I don’t usually watch clips from television programs, but I did watch this one, and was very impressed with Alan Grayson’s comments. He got everything absolutely right. Disgusting to watch Bill Maher, P.J. O’Rourke and Nicolle Wallace, all of them so clueless and vapid.
If I had been in the audience, I would have joined the standing ovation for Grayson, too. It’s such a HUGE relief and surprise when someone on TV speaks the truth.
sometimes here i don’t bother to watch the vids. satisfied to read the comments about them. damn! sure glad i watched that one!
Occupy the B-School!
That would be true justice, Scarecrow.
One upon a time, in 1964-65, my father was a guest lecturer there, his message was that egalitarian moral ethics were critically necessary to rational and humane business practice. Would that a J. Galbraith were in residence in the Dept. of Economics … once again, as well.
In some ways, Scarecrow, Cambridge Mass. is a very centrally important place to be, right now, I envy you that, very much, indeed.
What is the attitude of the young a Harvard, today, regarding OWS?
I remember the early days of the anti-Vietnam war protests and the serious and central interest it sparked in many universities in and around Boston.
I noted the other day that Harvard was among those Universities which did NOT have a “Occupy” date, and have wondered what is going on in the “Square”?
DW
I attended one of their recent meetings — an open one — because they had James Galbraith as a guest speaker — very interesting talk — but the students were complaining that they couldn’t get a decent Keynesian macro course from their faculty, and the faculty adviser nodded in agreement. On the day of the student protest against the Obama campaign director, the Harvard Crimson had article from some econ faculty guy on how important it was for us to have austerity to restore business confidence. This is Harvard!
I can’t claim to be plugged in to the student or faculty community generally; but I do get invitations, thanks to a faculty friend and former colleague, to interesting events, lectures, etc — so I pick up bits and pieces. Keeps my straw from falling out.
Really? My little baby girl is at BC. She left here last year not knowing or caring the first thing about politics or current events and really grew alot in that respect her first year. She asked me about OWS last week. I sent her a few links and told her there is an Occupy Boston. Maybe some BC kids have something going. My guess is that she’ll pronounce it “too hipster” but you never know. She’s come a long way.
The progressive caucus on campus is trying to set up an Occupy Harvard, according to an email I got today.
From the announcement, the harvard group starts from the John Harvard statue at noon tomorrow, then walks to OccupyBoston for a 3:00 p.m. rally. They also sent a flyer that says its organized by a group called:
collegesoccupyboston —
so I assume there are other colleges/universities involved and headed towards the same rally at 3:00 p.m.
You got that right. Let the hacks and the media keep dissing OWS. Their message from my point of view is as clear as a bell. I have talked to them in the occupy St. Louis movement. I have never heard the name Obama or anything else political. It’s about wall street greed and they know that. MHO of course.
Why is P.J. O’Rourke relevant? He is not smart, funny, ironic, or entertaining. Why is he even on TV?
Because he is a right wing hack. Hello Mary. *g*
Light box photos from OWS. Awesome!
http://www.senencito.com/my-blog/2011/10/8/faces-of-occupywallst.html
PJ O’Rourke fancies himself another George Will with a “sense of humor.”
thanks!!! i’ll tell her now. i wouldn’t count on her to be there. not by a long shot. but like i say, she’s not the person i left behind last september. sniff. {tear drop}
He is a washed up irrelevant hack just like Dennis Miller. I don’t know why they give this condescending dolt the time of day. His 15 minutes expired decades ago.
For P.J. O’Rourke, it’s all about partisan politics (and blaming the Democrats exclusively) when the reality (that Grayson pointed out) is that the Republicans are a wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street and the Democrats cater to them as well.
What great faces. Thanks.
Exactly.
Someone needs to use PJ O’Rourkes head to beat on a bongo drum.
A-yep. There are salvageable Democrats, but the Republicans purged themselves of most of their moral people ages ago, and they’re fast working on dumping the sane and pragmatic ones. That’s why Lamar Alexander gave up his leadership role in the GOP Senate caucus; he’s still sane, and most of the other Republicans either aren’t or are too afraid of the Koch/ALEC coalition.
They really do obsess on the drums, don’t they?
PJ O’Rourke: biggest fucking boomer hypocrite. Was a hippie back in the day when it was cool and now’s a fascist corporatist because it makes him a lot of money.
Unbelievable. Hippies fucking rule. Fuck O’Rourke, boomer hypocrite.
Rats. I would really have liked to see what Grayson said and the audience reaction. My player just keeps stopping after every few seconds. More than 2 minutes in, and it’s still J Franzen (big-time lit’ry author!) gabbing.
I finally gave up. But I’m glad somebody schooled those other talking heads.
Maybe Bill Maher has finally gotten too old to get it.
Of course. Being a right-wing hack is pretty much a guarantee of full employment in the US media nowadays.
Maher’s into being a contrarian for contrarian’s sake; he seldom actually puts thought into his pronouncements nowadays, as he gets “better” reactions (from his viewpoint, anyway), by being a Debbie Downer reflexive cynic kind of guy.
Yes, and W’s before that, if memory serves.
Bill Maher is kinda of a moron, too.
What Grayson did to P.J. O’Rourke was the most effective – and polite – public spanking I’ve seen in a long time.
Thank you, Mr. Grayson.
P.J. O’Rourke, go fuck yourself. Seriously. Dick.
LOL
I find it really amusing when they claim it’s only a few hundred, and yet they are so clearly unsettled by it. On their own terms, that kinda makes them a bunch of sissies, don’t it? ;-)
Bill Maher is a misogynistic jerk. On occasion he is funny. On occasion he is a truth teller. I have a problem trying to reconcile the misogynistic jerk with the low level talent.
No, he is sometimes a real treasure. Just not in that clip.
We don’t condone violence here, bfl. But, if it’s musical . . .
O’Rourke is only on the side of the wealthy 1% and of lunatics who bring guns to political events because he thinks they are going both to start and win a class war.
So wrong.
seems that way. what’s wrong with drums? as we used to say in NJ: “You got a problem with dat?” i never understood what’s so wrong with a few people-if that=with drums.
OK. Just as I suspected. i’m not at all violent and don’t con done it either. i was just sarting to type a comment asking what the hell his obsession with the drums was about and thought that ought to cure it. won’t happen again.
I’m a voter from PA but isn’t Grayson the loudmouth from Florida who the PEOPLE voted out of office …. guess he still doesn’t know what he is talking about !!
Why don’t you just sit in your rocker on the front porch and whittle.
Oh, no, amigo, don’t restrain yourself on my account. ‘Twas just a jest. Personally, I happen to enjoy violent imagery, when properly directed. Venting is good lol.
So is Bill Maher.
No. An example of a loudmouth would be Joe Wilson from South Carolina.
Grayson was voted out of office in one conservative district, where he only won in the first place because Bush/Cheney sucked so badly for so many years. So what?
As a golfer, I know your sense of the People is highly developed. Just sayin’ . . .
Perhaps, but it was O’Rourke’s moronic assholishness that stood out on this occassion.
Bill Maher is the 1%–it makes sense he hates hippies and the OWS.
Looks like Grayson might have finally figured out that his biggest mistake when he was in office was acting like Republicans were the problem rather than focusing on the failures of the Obama Administration and the Democrats to work on advancing the interests of the American people.
Whatever Grayson may or may not be, he’s one person with a national audience and he uses these opportunities to speak the truth. Whatever his agenda he’s telling it like it is. That is something that few members of Congress, or any in the White House, or any of its cabinet members, or any in the corporate media are doing.
Right vs Left is a charade.
A shadow play.
It’s Top vs Bottom
With legislated oppression
Sandwiched in between
That is just so wrong, vr. Go to his website and watch his work. He was probably just helping to set the trap for Grayson. He is definitely NOT an Establishment guy.
Hear, hear. Can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good, can we? He done good there.
personal experience … got laid off from my salaried position with a heavy-highway construction firm here in central PA in Nov. 2008 …. got my job back a few months later … have never made more than $55,000 in one year im my life and have always voted for Republicans … am 54 years old … wanted to boot Bush out of office early when he gave all the money to the banks because it smacked of progressive ideology …. RESPONSIBILITY … there should not be such a thing as “too big to fail” … but isn’t that the progs usual excuses for the downtrodden … not their fault for signing mortgages that were “too big to pay back” and so on and so forth … each person is responsible for their own successes and failures.
You don’t know as much as you should know about the situation with the banks and the various mortgage originators. Shady and deceptive practices were rampant. If you want to learn what you should but don’t know about it, there are many sources to go to. Many are archived here, others have been best-selling books. Don’t rely on Fox News. Having said that, I agree the bad banks should have been allowed to go under. In an honest capitalist system, nobody would have bailed them out.
funny thing is …. don’t watch Fox news (too much jibberish) — only MSNBC (for some laughs) and NBC (for the actual news of the day) …. just say’n !! …. banks, businesses and homeowners, etc., etc. — no one should be bailed out.
NBC is better than Fox, but will still only give you a corporation friendly message. Seriously, man, you seem to have a good heart, if so, make the effort to learn some truth. The television won’t give it to you. It’s all corporate-owned. You have to read if you want to be informed. The corporations are eating your and your childrens’ future, and you think the powerless progressives are the enemy? That would be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. Read.
Grayson hit it out of the ball park. He is not perfect, but he tries to move the conversation towards the little guy. Please do not criticize the guy, criticize his policies.
Grayson should have a show on Current so he can be free to articulate and expound on the points he raised above.
Great idea!
OMG. They are so beautiful.
It’s amazing how adults in their 50s still think in such simplistic terms. What you’re saying has no relation to reality in the 21st century at all.
Thanks, Scarecrow. I love it that SOMEONE on TV is speaking THE TRUTH. And doing it in a way that is clear and to the point. I don’t agree with him on a number of things, but he did GREAT here. YAY for Grayson. YAY for us – the 99%.
I don’t think people fail to understand why people are on Wall Street. I think what we don’t understand is what they’re working toward. Back in August a lot of people were in the streets of London protesting. Now we’re in October, the people in the streets are gone (I believe by force in some cases) and I don’t think anything fundamentally changed in the UK. That’s the fear. That it will be a protest that eventually goes away and everyone will wonder what it was all about.
I haven’t bothered to participate in the Occupy movements because I know I’m not welcome. But I still send my emails and make my calls to the media and my elected officials to see what pressure I can bring to bear on issues like increasing taxes on the upper incomes and saving environmental protections. I guess we’ll see what happens.
hey golfingary,you should read ‘It Takes A Pillage” by Naomi Prins so you can better think for yourself.Over half of sub-prime borrowers were qualified to receive low-interest paper.I hope you realize,as an existential given,total responsibility for all banking crises is top down,never bottom up.
London and OWS have virtually nothing in common.This is peaceful resistance and can’t be marginalized within the toxic parameters of identity politics.No one should underestimate the transcendent elegance of a simple message being delivered by an adjective-free assemblage.
Why would you be “not welcome”?
Gary, let’s set aside how much responsibility belongs with people who took out loans they couldn’t pay back. I’d say that it’s more than zero, but less than you think. Either way, the issues here are that three groups did wrong: banks that gave out loans to make leveraged bets on them, policymakers who failed to regulate an out-of-control market, and people who took out bad loans because they wanted to have a nice house or whatever. The regulators still have their jobs, and the same exact people who caused the problem were appointed to fix it. The taxpayers bailed out the banks, and they’re doing about as well as ever. The homeowners lost their houses and will probably never recover. The bankers and regulators were made whole when they neither needed it nor deserved it.
Ironically, of all the groups to bail out, the homeowners would’ve been best for the overall economy, too. Yes, that would mean that some “undeserving poor” got to keep things that they didn’t “earn,” but it would mean more money circulating in the economy, better neighborhoods, and so forth.
And also, for the cash reserves argument in the original video, O’Rourke is being typically disingenuous. Ridiculous leverage caused the crisis, so halfway sane leverage requirements were in Dodd-Frank. The banks then chose, instead of using that money to make loans, to use it to continue to make the same kind of casino bets that crashed the economy in the first place.
Not to mention that it says nothing of the non-bank businesses that have tons of cash on hand, but they’re not using it to hire people because there’s no excess demand for their products and services, so there’s no reason to hire new people. I don’t blame the corporations for that (except as far as I blame them generally for the state of the economy), since it’s crazy to ask them to hire people to make stuff they won’t be able to sell. The answer, obviously, is to enact policies that will increase demand, instead of the same old “give all the money to the rich and hope that everything gets better” plan that we’ve had under 11 years of Bush and Obama.
Grayson was totally dissed by the other participants on that show, and he cut to the chase and it was like “living water” to the audience who are so used to yesterday’s old meal dished up over and over again, that they spontaneously reacted with enthusiasm to an injection of the truth.
Grayson was on the front line when Congress was investigating the FED and he made mincemeat of the General Overseer lady, who was acting stupid when he asked her where all the zillions of taxpayer money had gone, and then he lost his seat of course, the powers that be made sure of that. He is fighting back for a second chance, and guess what, our God, the Holy One of Israel, is the God of the Second Chance. He’s far more compelling than any of the presidential candidates, why do both parties settle for second best when they have people like Alan Grayson kicking around. Herman Cain, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, my goodness, what a bunch of losers.
Then of course we have the loser in chief setting the standard. I guess the bar really is extremely low. We have to raise our game everybody.
Lets say we ain’t gonna work on Maggie’s farm no mo.
“why do both parties settle for second best when they have people like Alan Grayson kicking around”
Neither party would want someone like Grayson, in part because neither party considers winning elections the most important thing: party discipline is more critical to the survival of the oligarchy than winning elections.
If, for example, Obama had behaved like a progressive after being elected, he would have attracted too many progressives to the party, too many for the party leaders to control, posing a threat to their power.
Neither party will support a candidate whose loyalty to the party is in doubt. If Obama had tried to rely on his popularity go it alone, he would have been Cartered.
Obama has performed exactly as he promised the party he would.
If he weren’t a hack, he would never have been allowed to become president.
Amusing! Useful tools like the troll “ecahhnomics” who scramble desperately to paint Alan Grayson as “irrelevant” and “unelectable” are just parroting the tired TeaGOP talking point that any government action is “incompetent” and “corrupt” while at the same time working desperately to personally make it as corrupt and incompetent as they possibly can.
Don’t believe your eyes and ears, people, listen to “ecahhnomics” — surely someone who inspires such throaty spontaneous cheers of agreement from the audience must be irrelevant and unelectable… What a chucklehead tool.