She can’t really be this stupid.

Can she?

You have to remember that the strongest impulse of ‘leadership’ for the teabaggers is authoritarian. They really do not like democracy if their person is not in the position of power, but their version of democracy is you have the choice to vote for their way or not vote. There are more ways to explain this, but you, dear reader, probably know even more than I do so I will let this suffice.

Her explanation and understanding of reality is so unrealistic. G)
Hello Eli.

Hello bigbrother.

Ya know if Obama had been stronger, he would have invaded each of those country’s with a massive military force, destroyed the infrastructure, killed thousands of civilians, made the population hate us, and in a mere 10 or 15 years, we would have all the troops home. After all look how well Iraq worked out for us.

Except Michele wants him to do that on the side of the dictators.

Michele’s in big trouble – single digit numbers and no money – good size debt. Time to quit.

ELI!
Spuds named “Richard”?

HEY, ELI !

MARGARET!

HEY, TWAIN !

“Weakness” by not nuking them perhaps?

I’ll be sad to see her go

Eli!

She really is looney tunes -

Elliott!

Hunter over at DK is sorta plagiarizing your stuff Eli.

The loonies would love to have us plant a big one right in the middle of Iran. The Tea Party would be dancing the the street.

Heh. I was trying to figure out how to say that her twisted paranoid little mind couldn’t tell the difference between terrorism and freedom, but couldn’t quite settle on wording.

Has it occurred to anyone as to why some of these people a FOR legalizing drugs ? Maybe the reason they sound like they are on some sort of acid trip is because they ARE on some sort of acid trip.

My friends in high school once observed that I made more sense when *they* were on drugs. Maybe it’s something like that.

Oh, dog yeah! They are almost certainly masturbating to the thought at least weekly.

Could very well be.

WAR drains the wealth of a Nation and takes invaluable lives.

Always WAR should be the last resort and only after we are attacked like in 9/11, Pearl Harbor etc. Never Preemptive. We will never have the moral justification to ask our troops to leave our shores leaving behind their loved ones to fight for our country nor we will have the moral standing to justify it to the rest of the world.

We should ALWAYS promote Democracy in word wherever possible, whenever asked for but we should never step into quagmire. Eventually if people want to come out of it they will figure out a way to do so by themselves. Examples abound…..like East Germany, Soviet Union.

There’s really only one thing to say about Michele Bachmann: Bless her heart.

Next? Anyone for ‘flavor of the week’? Palin imploding.

These gals are giving women a bad name, and I, for one, don’t like it at all.

I wonder how long Sarah’s going to milk the will-she-or-won’t-she thing.

Always WAR should be the last resort and only after we are attacked like in 9/11

Ummm, I hate to point this out but after 9/11, we attacked the wrong country and began slaughtering, detaining and torturing civilian men, women and children in another. Afghanistan didn’t attack us. Iraq certainly had nothing to do with it. Responding to terrorist attacks with military campaigns against nations innocent or complicit is foolhardy and always fruitless. “War” isn’t the appropriate response to terrorism in my opinion. Ever.

I don’t like it either. We fought so long and hard for women to be respected and we get these 2 weird females. Doesn’t help our cause at all.

I don’t always like Lawrence O’Donnell, but he showed some clips from Sarah on the Fox network (!) really screwing the pooch, so to speak. The question is how long will Roger Ailes let her keep messing with his folks?!

As long as it turns a profit I expect.

The thing about O’Donnell is that he doesn’t think the rest of we peons, (who haven’t been Congressional Aids), are neither equipped nor qualified to render intelligent, informed opinions on policy and legislating. He’s there to explain it all to us, as patiently as if we were precocious children. I like him otherwise but that trait makes him unwatchable as far as I’m concerned.

Afghanistan was absolutely justifiable in my opinion whereas Iraq was NOT at all justifiable.

Iraq was a totally quixotic adventure I could not figure out for what purpose. Even oil does not make sense. They would have been better off with a totalitarian guy shipping oil then all the mess which resulted after Iraq war. All the evidence contrary to absence of WMD was laid out for a change in MSM news but still every attempt was made to cherry pick the flawed info in a totally obvious way.

Afghanistan harbored trouble makers for a long term because it was a totally broken state which was partly our fault for not supporting rebuilding it after end of soviet war where we were partly responsible for crashing that state infrastructure indirectly. All these remnant trouble makers in Afghanistan were plotting and trying to attack our country for a long time which was very obvious by all the episodes which happened before 9/11. Not only our country but other countries too got attacked and the agenda was totally religious domination. Pretty much Medieval ideology. If they cannot hand over trouble makers we need to bring accountability there. I think what GWB and Pres. Obama did in Afghanistan is totally justifiable but we can question whether we could have done the same job expending less amount of money and putting lesser number of our invaluable troop lives at the WAR zone.

I know! I’ve gotten to the point where the first second that he goes into his “I know because I’ve been in the room….blah, blah, blah”…well, I just tune him out. But his clips of Sarah the P tonight were spot on…..what a ridiculous person she is, and a flat out liar. I’d like to believe that most people are finally wising up. My neo-con twin brother now claims that he never took her seriously. That’s something.

This comment from Bachmann really has to be one of the stupidest attempted hits from a politician I’ve heard for a long time.

The current crop of GOP presidential hopefulls are making George W. Bush look like fucking Einstein.

“Justifiable”? Perhaps but I wasn’t attempting to evaluate it’s justifications, just pointing out that it is not now and was not then an appropriate or particularly effective response. I even suggested that Afghanistan was complicit but that the response was poor.
Edit: I’m also on record on this site and others saying that if it had been up to me, I would have eliminated the Taliban before they destroyed so much of the region’s cultural history, a looooooong time before 9/11/2001.

Oh yeah, like I said, I like some of the things he does but that one flaw is a pretty huge one!

Maybe next she’ll “blame” Obama for killing bin Laden…

No, she’ll just berate him for supporting the Godless Communism of Evolution, and characterize it as a plot to force the American people all to marry members of the same sex.

And besides, you know as well as I do that killing bin Laden was just a sign of Obama’s Kenyan, anti-colonial weakness.

Yes, it’s a pretty huge elephant in the room

There he was ya know, minding his own business and watching that godless yurt porn and organizing his US weapons collection too also and the SEELZ came in without a warrant and wouldn’t ya know, they thought they were gonna taser him but they pulled the wrong gun and shot him fulla holes right there in the bedroom of his madrasa or whatever it’s called in Osamastan and they also shot members of his family too also because all of those SEELZ are members of the Democrat Party doncha know and that just let the whole Arab world see that Obama’s US is weak because if George W Bush was still president you betcha he woulda taken him to Gitmo and nailed him to the waterboard and gotten all of the information he had about planned attacks in our sphere of influence and all of those other shapes that we can influence there and now there are going to be a whole lotta lost jobs lost in the US now that there’s no bin Laden to take those extra guns off our hands too. Also.

(lulz)

Stop. Channeling. Her. Now.

Heh! (Don’t do that too often; it might stick.)

LMAO! Good evening my friend. :)

Eli is treating Bachmann as if she’s crazy to say this, but I think it more clearly shows that she’s evil, not crazy. One major reason why the dictators of Egypt and Tunisia managed to hold onto power for decades was because the US government had supported them for decades. The overthrow of those dictators really was a defeat for the American empire, though not a decisive defeat, given that former members of those dictators government have held on to a lot of power to date. While Obama needs to pretend otherwise, I think it very likely that he privately regrets the Arab Spring as much as Bachmann does.
Both Obama and Bachmann want to maintain the American empire. Obama tried to maintain the empire by lying to the Arabs about how he would change American policy towards the middle east. It didn’t work for long, because most of the people in the middle east realized after a couple of years that American policy hadn’t changed. I think what Bachmann is basically saying is that Obama’s pretense that he was friendly towards the Arab peoples meant that they weren’t afraid of being slaughtered by US drones if they tried to overthrow the US puppet governments that ran their countries. She may know that if the US had sent in drones to slaughter the demonstrators in Tahrir Square, the US would have had to slaughter tens of thousands of Egyptians at the very least to keep Mubarek in power. But from her point of view, that would be a desirable thing.

Eli is treating Bachmann as if she’s crazy to say this, but I think it more clearly shows that she’s evil, not crazy.

That works for me too.

Speaking as an old fart who saw the Iranian Revolution unfold in real time (I was attending American University in Washington DC at the time, we had a lot of Iranian students there, so I was flabbergasted to hear that the CIA had missed that the Revolution was about to break out as it was so obvious from where I stood), I can attest that Jimmy Carter defended the Shah for as long as he possibly could. When it finally became obvious, just as with Ronald Reagan and Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines in 1986, Carter let go and did an about-face and turned against his former ally and stood with the people of what was formerly his country. Neither one of them got a lot of credit from the people for his last-minute about-face, but I think it was a good idea in both cases. The big problem in Carter’s case was that he just had to support the Shah one last time and agreed to let him into the US for medical treatment. Oops! That was the spark that set off the Iranian Hostage Crisis

Prior to 9/11 we had multiple attack incidents happened on us. Scale and Size increased with each one. Our response to these trouble makers in Afghanistan whom we initially gave the support during soviet era was never to seriously bring accountability to them. 9/11 pretty much became the boundary line. If I remember right GWB asked them to be handed over. The rulers of that fragmented and broken state wanted to play another dog and pony show with us even after 9/11. So it was a justifiable action. Every country in the world understood why we went there and supported us. We were a victim hitting back at a aggressor. Pretty much a right action.

Anyway if there is one take-away lesson in Afghan War in my opinion it was never to step in Quagmire militarily directly or indirectly in support of democracy. It might hit us back after couple of decades.
Give them moral support if their aspirations are aligned with our Declaration of Independence. It is an extremely good benchmark always. No military, No financial support but Moral support. People in those regions will always figure a way out themselves. Sometimes it might take a very long time but they always do. Ideals which Pres. Thomas Jefferson espoused always ring a bell in every human being even within dictators tied with the situation they are stuck in and who perpetuate a horrible system on their fellow human beings.

Someone needs to tell Bachmann that Arab Spring is a soap that’s strong enough for a man, but chicks dig it too.

All I can say is both the Left and Right have one thing in common, but for different reasons, and its moving toward the center from both sides.

No, it wasn’t another ‘dog and pony’ show. Mullah Omar said show us the proof that OBL did this and we will hand him over. w refused to show any proof and Omar said no to the request. The attack on Afghanistan then took place (with some local help) to ‘destroy’ al Qaeda. That has been accomplished, but we are still there talking about defeating the Taliban. The only reason we are still there is to control the country. There Taliban are not terrorists, they are simply trying to get rid of the occupying force (us). Our ‘leaders’ are trying to keep the empire going, and if you don’t think we have an empire, just look at what we are doing while you read Chalmers Johnson’s Blowback trilogy.

In my opinion, as I am stating just my opinion they were planning another dog and pony show. Let me state the logical justification. We had multiple attacks prior to 9/11 emanating from the same region. Not only us some other countries too had similar attacks. For all those attacks I am guessing not only we but those other countries got a dog and pony show drama that they were not involved. They were trying to create caliphates and maybe religious expansion. Pretty much a far right medieval religious agenda.

There is no question we played a role in the creation of religious far right group to oust the soviets and never realized that one day they will turn on us. Saying is true that What goes out comes back.
If we just left that area alone, just providing moral support who wanted to make their country a democracy on the principles on which our country was founded keeping religion and state separate, people there would have been sick of soviet far left rule, kicked them out maybe later after couple of decades and there would have been a clean transition with a better government which would have been our strong ally. We simply messed up, interfered but the worst thing is we did not clean up the mess after soviets left. This Mess simply festered, grown and infected us after couple of decades. At-least now we have a responsibility to clean up and that can be done only after order is restored so that saner individuals who can see and understand logic, who do not believe in dictator stuff, have a sense of strong humility and wisdom like our founding fathers had, will get a chance to be elected to re-build their nation to prosperity.