I honestly believe the reason Obama and his bots continue to do this is because of an inherently mistaken understanding of the entire political situation. In their heads, they see Progressives miffed and kicking rocks because they lost a few games so to speak. But that isn’t the problem. The problem is Progressives and the rest of the country is absolutely livid at their fecklessness and incompetence. The mood is anger and fury, not dejection. This is why they keep trying to give us this BS soldier talk about marching and fighting. People are angry precisely because these idiots never did either while expecting us to accept horrible result after horrible result.

How do they fit so many clowns into that tiny car

Perfectly put.

he only redeeming thing about having Senator Gasbag as vice president is that isn’t Evan Bayh.

Going from “hope and change” to “we suck less” is like going from cajun seasoned salmon to Fillet of Fish.

Or going from War and Peace to Going Rogue.

Off topic for your enjoyment: Friedrich Hayek Joins Ayn Rand as a Hypocritical User of Medicare « naked capitalism

What’s uncle Joe up to?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20113398-503544.html

Vice President Joe Biden said in a live interview with Miami public radio station WLRN Thursday that the Obama administration – not the Bush administration – now has ownership of the struggling U.S. economy.
Biden said Americans have “good reason to be upset” because they lost jobs because of the recession, “something they didn’t have a thing to do with creating.”

“Even though 50-some percent of the American people think the economy tanked because of the last administration, that’s not relevant,” said the vice president. “What’s relevant is we’re in charge.”

Their strategy for re-election is based on fear. That’s why they would much rather run against Perry, since he makes a much better boogey-man.Fact is, Romney could win easily, what with the alarming fecklessness of Obama.

Or going from Russian River Pliny the Younger to warm Pabst.

Biden said it is “totally legitimate” for the 2012 presidential election to be “a referendum on Obama and Biden and the nature and state of the economy. What’s relevant is we’re in charge.”

Coming soon to an RNC ad near you.

Stand up for Joe.

Guess what. Every election is a referendum on the incumbent. Maybe after the election, Obama and Biden can mosey on down to Plains, Georgia, and ask its foremost citizen how running against Reagan worked out in 1980.

Romney is Obama’s worst nightmare. They can demonise Perry easily (and all the others), but it will be harder to do that against Romney. Not that Romney is a great man or anything (he’s a serial flip flopper who is pandering like hell to the nutcakes in the GOP), but Romney appears reasonable and moderate, emphasis on the word “appears”.

It will be harder to demonise Romney, and honestly, that’s all Obama has going for him now.

Thanks for the update. My take? I think these sh*ts don’t give a sh*t. They got theirs, EFF the middle/working class.

What does Joe Biden care? He’s got zillion$$$ for life, plus platinum-plated health care benies for himself & his wife. The base can go f*ck itself bc, clearly, we are all f*cking r*tarded in Joey’s worldview.

Biden is clearly phoning it in … with a bad connection, no less. Did Biden start making fake static noises and say: “Think I’m losing the connection… zzht zhhht… heading for a tunnel … zzzht zzzht….”???

Bastard. PTOUI!!!!!!!!

Vote Third Party!

In Biden’s defense, it’s really the only issue they have. They’re not going to enforce the rule of law on banksters. They’re not going to pass a jobs bill that will actually make a difference. And they ARE going to back the Catfood Commissions recommendations, assuming that the recommendations include medicare and SS.

They aren’t going to back Palistine. They aren’t going to leave Iraq unless you let them use their defination of Military (Contractors, CIA, and drone operators don’t count). They aren’t going to do anything other than talk about DREAM. Deportations will continue.

Boxturtle (And Bradley Manning will STILL be locked up)

Anyone think there’s mileage in getting “Ds Suck Less” bumper stickers printed up?

The fact is, a potential President Willard just doesn’t look that frightening to most Americans. And why should it? Obama passed his health care bill.

the mutt will do far less damage then the zero PLUS in order to get re-elected i guarantee he will draft and pass a couple of progressive bills

if obama is not primaried I am campaigning for the mutt

I don’t imagine that Obama has made full use of the, “If you don’t vote for me you are all racists …”-card, yet, Janeane.

If he can’t scare people, then he will try to “guilt” them.

And, I agree that smcclurk has laid things out with crystal clarity …

DW

howz this for t?

“the d’s don’t suck less, they suck harder behind your back”

hmmm…tough image

I am wondering if you considered sending your analysis over to the crow for further research?

would love to get that piece going before primary season

yes, the thing about romney is that he has no core beliefs whatsoever

he will go whichever way the wind blows

and the wind is blowing left (which is why obama is such a colossal political failure)

If you add a question mark, eCAHN, as in “Ds suck less?”, then I suspect you would make a pile and bring a smile …

;~DW

President Willard would work on closing the Trade Gap. Obama’s donors prefer more free trade agreements that put the WTO in charge of governance.

In Biden’s defense, it’s really the only issue they have.

But it’s not actually an “issue.” Romney just isn’t scary.

Bradley, serving a life sentence, awaiting trial.

To main point:

The bottom line is the White House is going to have to make an affirmative argument for what they’re going to do if they get re-elected

What the Committee To Reelect come up with as issues are irrelevant to Obama LLC governance. Once crowned, it’s same ol’ same ol’.

Let’s use that crappy “D” logo the Democrats came up with. It has just the right amount of suck.

Romney’s a corporatist whore, but if the Overlords *hire* Romney to be POTUS, I doubt there’ll be much difference between his Admin & that of Obama. I mean, seriously? Obama’s a hard-right hawk NeoCon/NeoLib who’s run things as an extremely rightwing Republican.

How’s that going to change that much under Romney? I fail to see much difference.

Dick Cheney & Henry Kissinger are still running things behind the scenes right now. With Romney at the helm, we might see their plug-ugly nasty faces a tad more often. That’s the only difference… not much.

It will be harder to demonise Romney, and honestly, that’s all Obama has going for him now.

Very true. There’s almost no substansive difference between Obama and Mitt on the key issue: Jobs.

Boxturtle (If I exorcised the White House, would there be anyone left?)

the White House is going to have to make an affirmative argument for what they’re going to do if they get re-elected

I think we all know by now just how proficient Osterity and his minions are at lying. If he gets reelected it’s just gonna be more fascism, more “how can we fuck working Americans today?”

I simply don’t understand what they’re thinking. This didn’t work last time, and it won’t work now.

They don’t care. They are already in like Flynn. They have achieved the highest elected office they are ever going to achieve (Both he and Obama.) Having protected the moneyed interests of the universe they are guaranteed a soft landing. They are never going to have to look for a job or be short of a paycheck. They will always have their sycophants. They’re done and they know it. Reelection is gravy but no big sweat if it doesn’t happen. They have shown us and everyone else that it truly does not matter whether it is them or Romney.

Who’s the crow?

I’ve done all I intend to do with it. Did post it in this diary.

Great suggestion.

A Democratic Party that has nothing to offer but fear itself. Pathetic.

Biden should just come out and say, “They’ll butt-fuck you without lube, but we promise to use a little while we continue to do it.”

Yesterday’s visitor, spotted by my new neighbor.

i agree

i believe, however, that obama actually is a right-wing ideologue

which explains why he inessantly takes the neolib position even though it hurts him politically

willard, having no political philosophy whatsoever and being solely concerned w his political success, will heed public opinion and even move left if that helps him (which it will) once he’s prez

obama, as we have witneesed, is impervious to pressue to move left

he just ain’t gonna do it no matter what

It is pretty sad when the incumbent cannot articulate any reason to vote for them, and must resort to reasons why we should vote against they other guy.

oooooo, nice.

Vis Obama: true; I agree.

Vis Romney: probably; not sure that I agree that Romney will respond to pressure to move left. The real pressure on Romney, should the Oligarch’s hire him for POTUS, will be from the Oligarchs. And they will pressure Romney to continue to move rightward. Money talks, my friend. I go back to: not much difference between Romney or Obama. They both dance to the tune of the mega-rich and could give a sh*t about the middle/working class. We are peons & simply do not count. If Romney *appears* to trend somewhat leftish in the campaign, just keep reminding yourself of the LIES that Obama spewed during his campaign. Same old, diff’rent guy…

The problem is Progressives and the rest of the country is absolutely livid at their fecklessness and incompetence.

not quite

we are livid with the realization that the zero is playing for the other team, he is not incompetent at all, we were duped, he was recruited and pulled the wool over our eyes

he is not some crazy bad negotiator, he is simply doing what it takes to accomplish his corporate agenda, while making believe he is trying to be a liberal

nope, not incompetent

he is the benedict trojan sheep in wolfs pajamas

Mittster changes his position as often as he changes his super duper special underwear.

Yes, but what’s even sadder is that *some significant segment* of the voting populace will respond to that, and happily go along with voting for Obama for the very sole reason that Obama *allegedly* SUCKS LESS than Romney. Go figure.

There is no right/left with neoliberalism. The neocons are more nationalistic, militaristic and want to force their unregulated markets onto other countries. That’s pretty much the only difference between the two ideologies. Both are extremely comfortable with a corporate state.

scarecrow, really good with research

Well I don’t know how often Mittens changes his magik undies, but I quite agree that he changes his position with alarming regularity.

I’m so friggin’ jealous I didn’t spot him. My neighbor has a mowed lawn going down to the riverfront, so she can get a lot closer. I have a “meadow,” which is so waterlogged (a foot over previous record rainfall in August and another foot of rain in September) I can’t get close.

Yes. What you said.

DWBartoo: Obama won’t go there but there will be several water-carriers who will. It’s already happening.

So cool. *sheer Jealousy*

Boxturtle (Best I’ve had this year was a pygmy rattler in my window well)

Those little guys will put a hurtin’ on ya. Won’t kill ya but you’ll sure know you were bitten.

It is unfortunate that most who hear the term, “neoliberal”, think that it has to do with “liberal”, not realizing that it has to do with an economic “philosophy” of the elite having the “right” to everything. It is Smith’s Vile Maxim, “Everything for the rich and nothing for everyone else” … updated, poished and slickified for “de mock kruh see”.

Do wish there were a better, more-graspable term, SD.

DW

yeah, romney was my governor and i have no illusions about who he is

my only point, miniscule as it is, is that i believe romney is more apt than obama to move left if he comes to believe that is in his best interest, i.e., re-election

obama makes it a point of pride to hate the left, romney just pretends

but you’re right: there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between them politically which is why romney will gobble up obama08 voters and win handily should that be the matchup

imho

Fascist works for me.

It’s all they’ve got.

By design.

They don’t want to have any progressive accomplishments to run on, only progressive promises which, if they win re-election, will prove to be as empty as before. And if they win re-election they will want, even more, to cut Social Security and Medicare and expand Bush’s war on terror while giving their “savvy” thug friends on Wall Street every penny they can steal from the working classes.

Obama’s second term will be worse than his first…

if he and Biden win again.

Obama may not go “there” himself, but the word has certainly been put out, stoicjim, I have had such accusations tossed my way, even here, at FDL,n (in veiled “fashion”, of course) already, and suspect ’twill become MUCH worse.

DW

agreed

it took me a while but i have concluded that neoliberalism and neoconservatism are the two sides of the same corporatist coin, one domestic and the other foreign policy

but you’re right: there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between them politically

which is why he will do far less damage then the zero, I have always recognized, a republican dressed in blue does more damage then one dressed in red

the republican elected MUST be elected as a republican so we can run a more effective defense

If you are a pro-choice woman he is.

Yeppurs.

Christie is less scary, and if he jumps in, Romney is finished.

Aye, and for me as well, SD, but it frightens those who still “believe” that, “it cannot happen here”.

Why, many in this counrty never even heard Zappa mention such things … way back in the sixties, and never have listened to George Carlin …

The Great Educational Outreach continues …

;~DW

there will be several water-carriers who will

I am going to guess the daily kos will be first to do just that big time public

Christie is less scary? Not to me. He’s a thug.

he’s less scarey then obama because he is going to run as a republican and then be one, obama is going to run as a liberal and then be even further to the right then anything a republican would try

“…the White House is going to have to make an affirmative argument …”

Wrong. The WH is going to have to make a believable affirmative argument.

I, for one, don’t believe anything the president says any more and I usually change the channel when I hear his voice. I am sure there are plenty more like me.

Well, it’s already happening here and denial is neither a river in Egypt nor an appropriate response to reality.

You think Christy “less scary”?

How is that, carleton?

Christy is as nasty as “they” come … even towards women. Christy was a Wall Street lobbyist … he doesn’t care who is harmed or destroyed, he just wants “More!!!” for himself and those he “services”.

see my 59

Agree. We have *already* descended in to facism, esp with the MURDER of a US citizen in Yemen recently. I’m not longer mincing words and making nice. If it quacks like a duck, it is one. This is a fascist regime. Believe what you want, but that’s the reality we are in.

Ah yes, but the “good Americans” are still afraid to open their eyes or hear the truth …

Facism is well-along … “here”.

In fact, it started BEFORE WW II and has come along quite nastily ever since.

But those damned myths of being Gwad’s chosen and being “exceptional” apparently still resonate thhroughout much of the “Homeland”, ‘twould seem.

However, OWS, has become a clear “choice” … and its “fallout” will be very telling, I imagine, SD.

DW

’cause he might do something like codify Hyde ?

or appoint a Justice evincing a willingness to triangulate on the issue a la
Kagan ?

Did George W. Bush order the assassination of an American citizen by executive fiat?

I’m not inclined to disagree with you, perris, as it will take a Black man, a “Democrat”, to destroy Social Security, just as it “took” Nixon, a “Republican”, to “open” China …

DW

Exactly right. I have the same response, my eyes glaze over, and I move on.

This didn’t work last time, and it won’t work now.

It didn’t work last time because he was saying it to Democrats. This time they are saying it to Romney Republicans.

It might work for Obama. I don’t know. But it won’t get Democrats to the polls, and low turnout will be devestating to down-ticket races.

The election results in 2010 have, hopefully, taught the stay-at-homes the folly of their ways. Hard to find anybody in FL who will admit to either staying home or voting for (P)rick Scott.

But I wanted my Recovery Summer pony :(

The alternative would be an actual democrat but there isn’t one running.

We have a crisis in this country, a critical lack of inteligence and the truth.

I would substitute “information” for intelligence. Many intelligent people are uninformed.

sounds like someone else i know, the current occupant of the white house

sounds like someone else i know, the current occupant of the white house

you’ve been fooled, obama is a right wing ideologue, those are his core beliefs, he uses the democratic party to accomplish right wing agenda, he was recruited by the right wing and there he sits, making believe he’s “negotiating” when in fact he’s accomplishing more right wing agenda then bush or reagan

he does indeed have core beliefs, they are right wing

Pliny the elder 4 prez!!!

i agree completely

and it explains the seemingly inexplicable incompetence of the wh poltical team

my guess is that obama’s political advisors like plouffe know obama is committing political suicide

obama’s refusal to move left is his own doing entirely

We could actually vote Second Party, if there was one.

Obama already convicted Manning when he declared that Bradley was guilty. Does he eventually get a trial too?

hey onitgoes

ecahn sent me some of what you guys hashed out concerning the right wing recruitment of obama.

looks right to me

it needs to see the light of day, a diary needs to be written

so long as the right wing is allowed to paint a liberal picture of obama, the progressive movement is lost, we need eliminate the illusion that obama is or ever was a liberal

please write a diary about your thoughts, if it goes viral we might just get a primary candidate testing the water

you’re not gonna believe what I found trying to find some published work of obama while he was president of the law review, I found this from conservative blog american thinker

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/early_obama_letter_confirms_inability_to_write.html

they happen to be asking the same questions though I believe they are still convinced obama is a lefty…interesting they would come to the very same conclusion, the main article is interesting enough, but also check out the conversation that ensues;

It was pretty clear from start that Barack Obama is a fraud. Common sense tells you that when a persons records are withheld from public scrutiny there is a problem. It should also be apparent that very powerful people are behind the hoax that is Barack Obama. The more intriguing question is why would anyone perpetrate this deception in the first place. What would be gained from the election of an unqualified person to the presidency of the United States?

I’m sure they didn’t ask the very same question about bush…anyway, tid bits from all over on that site, have a read

The only way he gets some traction is not by making statements but by actual actions. He’s made too many statements like “fight for a public option” or “will require the rich to pay more taxes” that have fallen flat for anyone to find his statements believable.

His best hope is to ask his very best friends in Congress(the GOP he helped usher in by failing to fight for real health care reform and caving on taxing the rich)to pass some laws for 99% of us. Otherwise, there is a very large chance he’s toast.

I, for one, don’t believe he won’t demolish Social Security and work to decimate Medicare if given a second term.

Excellent point perris. It’s much easier to rally the troops to oppose an R, whereas the kool-aid drinkers on the D side will excuse and seek to justify the actions by their boyfriend Obamination.

I, for one, don’t believe he won’t demolish Social Security and work to decimate Medicare if given a second term.

in an interview before he took office, he let slip he was after social security and other investments we’ve made into our culture and society, e even used the term “entitlement” as if we didn’t pay for those programs

before he took office;

Obama Pledges Reform of Social Security, Medicare Programs
By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 16, 2009
President-elect Barack Obama pledged yesterday to shape a new Social Security and Medicare “bargain” with the American people, saying that the nation’s long-term economic recovery cannot be attained unless the government finally gets control over its most costly entitlement programs.
That discussion will begin next month, Obama said, when he convenes a “fiscal responsibility summit” before delivering his first budget to Congress. He said his administration will begin confronting the issues of entitlement reform and long-term budget deficits soon after it jump-starts job growth and the stock market

he stopped showing his colors when he was informed that would not make the constituents happy, then first chance he got, BING, tying social security, a program in the black, to the “debt issue” he created himself, he was TOLD his redistribution of middle class asset scheme would create a debt issue, he figured since he could market that scheme as “extending the bush tax cuts” he wouldn’t get blamed

man, we are so played by this guy

Fascism has been increasing incrementally in the USA for several decades. It’s just that corporate control is now so entrenched that they are becoming blatant in their actions, coupled with the public’s access to non-corporate media. And still the sheep disregard reality.

No place for “belief” in the choice of any selected official. That “belief” crap belongs in church, not in a fact based world.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe what people say. However, when they don’t back it up with actions then I reserve the right to throw them out on their backsides.

Even a fact based world has a belief system. A theory is a belief based on evidence.

Then your last sentence in your comment @83 is ridiculous and unfounded.

Let’s wait on John Yoo’s opinion; something about “quaint”

Uh no it isn’t. My belief set when it comes to politicians is based on statements and actions

My statement is that I don’t trust him on Social Security or Medicare and it is based on his deficit reduction committee and placing “entitlements” on the table.

There isn’t a darn thing ridiculous about that statement.

Sherman Anti-trust Act, Progressive Taxation, Estate Taxes, Social Security, Glass Steagall Act these are all fixes for our Free Market Economy Weakness and Free Market Economy is a really good system aligned with our democratic setup.

If anybody does not work on enforcement of those or weaken them they are intentionally trying to destroy the economy in my opinion. For example Social Security has to do with the Demand side of our economy. If the demand falls for whatever reason, bad investments etc Social Security is always there keeping up a level of demand in the economy. It is Public Savings in a Public Treasury. Purpose of this public treasury setup is to prevent another Enron, Madoff type of Drama if by any chance market crashes. Glass Stegall Act was present to prevent bad investments to remove demand up-downs. We had a good system till recently. It is only an enforcement issue which is caused due to lobbying which puts wrong self-serving people swamping important departments at top 2 or 3 levels with a figure head at the top. Every Act without long hard thought, without any reason is nothing but an attempt to please the lobbyists so that they can be invited for $35K a plate dinners. Pres. Thomas Jefferson was a great thinker, probably I know of no one who loved democracy more than anybody and understood people and their weakness better than anybody. That’s why Pres. Thomas Jefferson preferred a congress which is more involved with discord and arguments than a energetic congress which he felt do more harm to our democracy. All of his actions in our government setup are to enable Democracy to thrive forever. BTW in my opinion Discord and Arguments are part and parcel of a vibrant Democracy.

Fat Bastard

Biden cracks me up. Needs to work a pony into there next time.

again, as I said on another thread, you are really saying one thing and meaning ssomething else

there is NO such thing as a free market, you have your terms mixed up, glass stegal is rescinded and that is a set of regulations, once you have it you do NOT believe in a free market, sherman anti trust is NOT enforced and once you ave it you do NOT believe in a free market, progressive taxation, another set of regulations and once believe in it you do NOT believe in a free market

there is NO such thing as a free market, you need to come up with a different term because you are a progressive, you are not understanding that once you believe in regulations you do not believe in a free market

and by the way

EVERYONE, even the “libertarians” believe in regulations, but the libertarian wants you to believe in a free market so they can get you voting against yourself and the regulations that force them into paying their own bills

I really don’t want to go into this everytime you claim a free market is a good system, you are using the wrong term, once you advocate for the regulations you are advocating, you are NOT for a free market

you have the wrong term there progress

“free market” is a marketing scheme dreamed up by propagandists trying to claim “regulations are bad” when what they REALLY mean is “we don’t want to pay our own bills, wahh wahh wahh

the term you are looking for is “fair market”

that would work very nicely but “free market” does not work

Not that I don’t believe the VP, but he’d better prove it because so far I see NO real difference.

I keep asking “progress” what he or she means by “free market” and all I ever get is crickets in response – makes no sense.

Anyway, I get weirded out when I see words as contentious as “free market” tossed around willy-nilly. Unsure if I should continue to give benefit of the doubt or just consider it flamebait?

I still think his hair looks good, though. Wonder who did the plugs? Does anyone know? I’m getting a little thin on top, myself.

Wasn’t that Hoover’s campaign slogan, “We Suck Less”?
Maybe O’Biden and the O’ministration who’ve been in a vacuum believe FDR told his f-ing retarded base to put on some slippers, stop whining and crying, send him a pair of comfortable (probably not that comfortable back in those days) walking shoes.

he seems a progressive though, he just doesn’t know he’s using a term that means the opposite for what he then goes on to post

Sorry cwaltz, i must have missed the “don’t” part in the last sentence. I’m sure that Obama will continue his attack on all of the social safety net policies. Sometimes my anger at the injustice in this country affects my sight.