Sonic Youth had signed to David Geffen’s label the year before after a decade of indie releases on SST and Enigma Records, and their album Goo was rushing them along into the tributaries that fed the mainstream. Sonic Youth were musical godparents to many bands, giving advice, encouragement and support–and in the case of Nirvana, literally pulling Kurt Cobain out of the pit and back onstage.
Punk rock and its flannel-clad daughter/sister grunge–along with hip hop/rap–were defining youth culture movements for the last two decades of the 20th century, and they still continue their influence. Punk’s ethos of do-it-yourself/create yourself drew on the earlier 60s rebellion, but with darker, angrier foundation.
The fist wave of American punks was born in the 1960s and came of age during major recessions, human rights abuses in South Africa and Latin America, and twin epidemics of HIV/AIDS and crack, building on Warhol, John Cage, Dada, Glenn Branca, Patti Smith, Leonard Cohen, Johnathan Richmond, the New York Dolls and Iggy Pop, as well as their contemporaries like the Ramones, the Sex Pistols and the Dead Kennedys.
Punk rock showed us we could write our own songs, make our own records, and create our own way of life–and hang out with people who did the same. Liberation! Grunge is punk rock, but in a slightly different time signature. The fashion look–now being recycled on runways some 20 years later–is a style of necessity: cheap and keeps you warm, and helps your outsides match your insides. Thrift shops provided used flannel, jeans, and the ubiquitous kinderwhore dresses; musical inspiration was everywhere.
Parts of 1991: The Year Punk Broke reflect the trends of the time. There are references to Spinal Tap and Madonna’s Truth or Dare. In eerie foreshadowing, Courtney Love appears with the full force of her personality, before she and Kurt became an item, sucking the air out of the room.
Did punk break society? Was it broken by mainstream exposure? The lives of Nirvana and Courtney Love were forever changed by success. The lives of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of teenagers have been altered by punk/grunge for better or for worse. And with the release of 1991 The Year Punk Broke, we see the personalities that helped shape and define the year that punk broke.



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Hello ! Welcome back to Firedoglake Movie Night and thank you for being here tonight!
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Hi Dave! Welcome to the Lake.
Hey Dave, welcome back to FDL Movie Night! Your latest release 1991: the Year Punk Broke has just been released by Universal. Kinda freaky.
Well, it was a long time coming that’s for sure.
20 years since that momentous tour, and now Hot Topic is everywhere, DIY authors on Kindle, iTunes has anyone’s music available… and punk rock is everywhere ont he charts, in the malls and ingrained in America and Europe.
What took so long for the release? Clearances?
and elsewhere too I believe.
The re-release was out of my hands, so I am not sure why the delay, but I can guess.
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Dave,
What as it like traveling with the bands? How long were you with each band on the tour?
It was a short two week tour. I traveled in Sonic Youth’s bus. Nirvana followed us in a van. We crossed paths with all the other bands along the way.
Do you think punk’s breakthrough into the mainstream in 1991 with Nirvana “broke” (changed/destroyed) the ethos, and/or helped drive it further into culture and society and for good/ill both?
Basically Sonic Youth said, “hey let’s bring Dave Markey” and you just grabbed camera and film? this was before handy small digital cameras, so weren’t you shooting Super 8?
And, are you going to tell us what your guess is?
Hmmmm, well. In the states we had this thing brewing in the underground for a decade plus prior to this tour. Sonic Youth had already been established for that time and had only signed with Geffen the year before. They had been touring most of ’91 in support of Goo. They helped Nirvana get their deal, and the rest the say is history.
Did Courtney sign a release during the filming? Her scenes are really compelling, she has presence. How did she end up backstage?
But there was a great deal of activity prior to this that was not given much mainstream exposure. So much great music was left unheard, but it was happening. I don’t know why the US was so slow to get to that point. I guess it’s a combination of the conservative nature of this country and the people that worked in the record business not willing to give it a shot. Perhaps it took a band like Nirvana to break that barrier down.
Sonic Youth seem–from The Year Punk Broke and other films I’ve seen–to be sort of “elders” or godparents in the scene. And that image of Thurston pulling Kurt out of the pit is certainly telling…
Courtney was getting backstage long before this tour. I guess her persistence eventually paid off. I never presented her with any paperwork, evidently she signed off at some point.
Yes, a picture is worth a thousand words…
Also the US is REALLY big with transportation pretty much limiting exposure, especially back before the internets. European tours could/can cover several countries in a couple weeks driving, but in the US unless you’re doing a Mike Watt hellride…
Europe was much more keen to many bands before the US. This goes back to Hendrix…
Yup. Do you think Sonic Youth had any idea Nirvana would explode like they did? And iyt was weird circa 1991/92 to see punk/grunge explode, when in reality (geezer alter) we’d been doing it since 1977 onwards. There are 25 yr olds today wearing Sid chains and driving Dodge Darts. But it shows the enduring spirit of punk.
At least Greg Ginn can’t stop this one from being released. Nothing like the ol’ Ginnjunction to kill a good time.
I was shooting Super 8 Sound film. A medium I had been already working in for many years up until that point.
I don’t think anyone really knew just how big Nirvana would get. Their success was instant and off-the-charts. Off course this happened after the tour was over and filming for this was over. There was nothing quite like it before or after-wards, at least from the world I and my peers came from.
Greg Ginn is stifling art and cutting off his nose to spite his face, IMO. (Greg Ginn founded SST records and owns the rights to Black Flag songs. he has squelched any and all films and video which feature Black Flag music, or music by the majority of bands once on his label. He refuses to licence most songs for films or video, though famously, he had no issue about infringing on U2′s copyright for a Negativland single).
Super 8 is very challengin to edit, those little splicing machines!
You were there, capturing Nirvana before punk success broke them. They seemed happy, carefree…
They were very happy to be there. Playing these big festival shows with Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., The Ramones, Gumball, Babes… You can see how much fun everyone was having on this tour in the film. In retrospect, the calm before the storm. This was back when there was zero media attention on Kurt, and Nirvana were seen as a band. A unit. Three guys.
It was so weird to Dinosaur Jr…I remember working at SST in 1995/96 and the buzz about them then, and here they were on a festival tour.
What are some of the moments that struck you both on film and off–becuase surely you put donw your camera and experienced things we didnt get to see?
OMG, aside from Courtney, were there groupies?
Greg Ginn squelched my 1991 document “Reality 86′d” and has kept it from the public ever since. He also had me remove all Black Flag material from my other films, Desperate Teenage Lovedolls, The Slog Movie, and Lovedolls Superstar, some of which were in circulation for almost 20 years prior. The biggest mistake of my life was working with that guy.
It is such a bad decision on his part, he is really hurting himself, but this is seems to be a decision he made not from a business point of view, but out of some sort of emotion.
Wow…how did he compel you to cut your own films up? The rights belong to the creators, not the actors/musicians
I was amazed to see Dinosaur Jr. connect with that Reading Festival crowd. So many thousands of people singing along with “Freak Scene”. I had no idea at the time just how big they were in the UK.
Of course, when you have a camera with you and you are documenting shows,there is something between you and the experience. Often I would be so into going to shows and seeing my favorite bands that I didn’t want anything to distract from the experience. I regret not documenting many bands. Minutemen. Flipper. Dead Kennedys (w/ Jello). Bad Brains. Just to name a few.
He threatened me via his lawyers. He doesn’t even have the nerve to pick up the phone and call me.
I know from shooting demonstrations, parties, life in general having a camera can distance you from the experience, it creates a different feeling.
If only we could record with our eyes and ears to some sort of medium. I guess we are closer to that now than ever.
I need a bigger lens to get things the same size as what I see…What on the European tour stood out for you?
One thing that amazed me–it had slipped from my consciousness–was Madonna’s Truth or Dare. It was HUGE, and obviously you riffed on it in TYPB.
Spinal Tap stuck with me more…
Dave, had you toured before? and if so how was this different?
I thought Sonic Youth were on fire on this tour. They blew me away night after night. Likewise with Nirvana. The energy that was transpiring was large. Also the way the two bands were feeding off each other. It was really awesome and inspiring.
The Truth of Dare re-creations was about the only thing that was pre-planned for this film. The Spinal Tap stuff came about because we were watching it nightly on the bus with Nirvana. I mean, we could relate.
Yes, I’d been on the road. Most notably, I did a little six month jaunt w/ Black Flag in 1986 that I ended up documenting w/ the aforementioned “Reality 86′d.” I was playing drums and singing in Painted Willie at the time. My second band after Sin 34. We were on SST.
Totally! Both Sonic Youth and Mike Watt seemed really into Madonna, SY played Madonna tunes before they went on at Safari Sam’s years ago, and together with Watt they had Ciccone Youth…
“You don’ need permission fer anyfing!” –Johnny Rotten
But a BUS! In Europe, very different? Catering? And again, i have to ask, since i worked for Pamela Des Barres–groupies?
I didn’t see any groupies on this tour. Kim & T married, Lee married to Leah. Miss Pamela would have been bummed. Actually, Kurt had his friend Ian with him come to think.
1991 : The Year Punk Broke is available from We Got Power Films. And it’s a must have for any fan of music, makes a great holiday gift!
It’s good to have a fiend along! Dave thank you for coming tonight, and congratulations on the re-release and an helping to launch a new generation of of punks into the circuit. Your films inspire!
And yes. This tour was different from other tours I had been on, tho I did tag along w/ Sonic Youth on the Neil Young tour for the west coast dates, earlier in that year (’91). Buses and catering, nice hotels. This was decidedly a step up from the Van and crashing on the floor at some anarchist collective of speed freaks, like we often did in ’86 / ’87.
Thanks Lisa, I only wish this interface here wasn’t so confusing…
Glad you got the upgrade. You deserved it!
You’re awesome as always. What’s your next project?
Gracias
Working on my photo book (along w/ lifelong friend Jordan Schwartz) called “We Got Power” for publication sometime next year on Bazillion Points. Likewise a doc on the Circle Jerks, and a live Dinosaur Jr. DVD / Bluray for their performance of “Bug”.
Can’t wait! Dave, thank you so much for being here tonight, and I look forward to seeing you around soon.
The wegotpowerfilms is TFU, I will phone access them in the AM & report. But I was there at the time and a big fan of Sonic Youth too boot.