
Pictured: he doesn't think all that financial deregulation in the 1990s was a mistake.
Ron Suskind’s new book is getting some attention for the gossipy tidbits it uncovers, like this one.
According to the book, Summers sought to derail Obama’s push on several policies, including a financial transactions tax.
At one point, Orszag delivered a private report to the president, at his request, about what might happen if the government did not act to rein in the long-term federal budget deficit. Summers was outraged that Orszag would communicate with the president without going through the National Economic Council.
“What you’ve done is immoral!” Summers shouted.
Orszag told Suskind, according to the book: “Larry just didn’t think the president knew what he was deciding.”
Meeting over dinner at the Bombay Club one night, Summers told Orszag that “we’re really home alone,” according to the book. “I mean it,” Summers said. “We’re home alone. There’s no adult in charge. Clinton would never have made these mistakes.”
I actually laughed out loud when I read that last part. Because the seeds of the Great Recession were planted while Clinton was “the adult in charge” — at the urging of none other than Larry Summers (and his partner in crime, Robert Rubin). And now, the Big Dog admits listening to those guys was a big mistake.
“On derivatives, yeah I think they were wrong and I think I was wrong to take [their advice] because the argument on derivatives was that these things are expensive and sophisticated and only a handful of investors will buy them and they don’t need any extra protection, and any extra transparency. The money they’re putting up guarantees them transparency,” Clinton told me.
But it’s not just the deregulation of derivatives where Clinton erred:
Endorsing the Republican agenda of financial industry deregulation, reversing New Deal safeguards, President Clinton pursued policies that in the long run created more damage to the American economy than any other president since Herbert Hoover, whose presidential tenure is linked to the Great Depression. [...]
Clinton signed off on the reversal of the Glass-Steagall Act, the legislative jewel of the Franklin Roosevelt administration designed to prevent financial institutions from getting too big to fail. In signing the Financial Services Modernization Act, which broke down the barrier between high-rolling Wall Street investment firms and consumer banks carrying the deposits of ordinary folk, Clinton gushed in 1999, “Over the [past] seven years we have tried to modernize the economy… And today what we are doing is modernizing the financial services industry, tearing down those antiquated laws and granting banks significant new authority.” [...]
A year later a variation of that same word appeared in the title of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which Clinton signed and which exempted from government regulation all of the collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps that would later prove so toxic. That legislation led to the explosion of the market in unregulated mortgage-based securities, the key source of the financial-sector “dealmaking” that Clinton now bemoans.
But to Summers, apparently, none of those were “mistakes.”
Unfortunately, Obama may never recover from appointing people like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner in January 2009. As Atrios tweeted,
@Atrios: my mild obama leaning during the primary was due to desire to lessen clintonite influence #ohwell
Indeed.



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Talk about stepping in a large-type shit pile right outta the gate. And Timmeh is still there, go figure…
I don’t think I’ve actually seen a photo of Larry the Hutt before. Is he supposed to be swallowing a gerbil or something, or is he just another morbidly obese Wall Street flunky?
It’s all that hot air that balloons him to that size. I like to think of him as “mr. arrogance.” That constant sneer just drives me nuts.
He’s right. Clinton never would have made the same mistakes. Clinton would have made different mistakes.
You summed up how the banksters engineered the greatest rip off of all time. The one that destroyed the goose that layed the golden eggs. Greed does very nasty things. They needed the Clintons. They walked with the booty and really are blase about the damage.
Nice very nice sum up.
Clinton helped set the table; Obama served the desert.
Ah, Flickr traffic subsided enough for folks to see these photos of what’s going on in Zuccotti Park near Ground Zero and two blocks from the private banking outfit, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
Hey, he was president of Harvard [at a time when their endowment tanked].
Arrogant looks, sneers [and evasion of responsibility] are de rigeur there.
Summers is an arrogant slob.
Summers was the Harvard President who maligned females for lacking math skills. Seems Summers can’t do math.
That Glass-Steagal Reversal stands among the biggest economic “mistakes” of all time. Clinton is using Condi’s line: No one could have anticipated…
It was a “mistake” that created billions in wealth for the one percenters who were in on the game.
One cannot fathom that Clinton or Obama are as stupid as they pretend to be. They are not stupid – They are craven.
As another poster here is fond of saying, “it’s a feature, not a bug.” Neo-liberalism was a feature of the Clinton years. A couple of weeks ago, Mrs. Tiger and I visited the Clinton Library and Museum in Little Rock. Among the many accomplishments cited there were charter schools, telecom deregulation, and yes, overhaul of the laws governing the financial sector.
I voted against Hillary Clinton in the primary because she was a card-carrying DLC Democrat who would continue the neo-liberal policies of her husband’s administration.
Clinton did make one identical mistake: he hired Larry the Hutt.
Curious when Obama started attempting to define himself as the only adult in the room. I always thought it was in response to the behavior of R’s but would be even more amusing if he was actually responding to attacks from within his own so-called beloved team of rivals, lmao.
Clinton was the financial terrorists’ main course, Obama is there for dessert. I wonder what that would make shrub – finger bowl, maybe?
This from the man who “lost” $8 billion of Harvard’s endowment.
To be picky, Carter is the one who started fin mkt dereg, Reagan’s the one who start supply side economics. Greenspan is the one who started bubblicious economy. Clinton was just one more in a long line. I view them all as just a continuum to raid the economy. Each took the process one step farther.
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/ea37544b5cc1f049709ccf00/larry-summers-sleeping-tbi.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/2009/50_top_10/gaffes/larry_summers.jpg
He’s a morbidly obese Wall Street flunky sleepy head.
Just think. If Social Security is privatized, people like Summers will get to work their magic with American workers’ retirement money and retirees will get a rude surprise.
Orszag told Suskind, according to the book: “Larry just didn’t think the president knew what he was deciding.”
I think this is true. Despite MSM trying to drum into us that O is smart, I have never thought so. He can give a good speech, but beyond that he does not have a clue and I don’t think he even cares to.
As for Clinton I think he knew what he was doing, and he is smart. problem for us regardless of the intelligence of the POTUS we always get screwed
It looks like Clinton and Obama made the same mistake: they both hired that jackass Summers.
That today’s Democrats feel comfortable around dorks like Summers, Bernanke, Geithner, Rubin, etc. tells you all you need to know about today’s Democratic party.
http://www.bgladd.com/Obamas3stooges.jpg
Judging from the response when Dubya tried his SS privatization con game, our retirees won’t be very surprised: their ability to smell a rat was undulled by age.
Fuck Larry Summers and the gilded horse he rode in on.
O has two things going for him and only two. He is wily enough to get to the top of the mountain against all who try, and he knows how to obey his
betterscorp contributors. (You could think of the second as an aspect of the first.) Smarts/policy/leadership/whatever not impt in getting to the top of the mountain.He’s too fat to ride a horse. Team of oxen, maybe.
Nice try, Larry. Your proper place in history is assured.
Job Outsourcing, Tech Bubble –> Crash, Housing Bubble –> Crash (also crashed Construction Industry – more lost Jobs) Social Security is the next bubble to be exploited.
Bubbles (People) are to be exploited.
Soylent Green (Social Security) is People!
All the destruction this psychopath has caused, without even so much as a punch in the face.
The impunity of these monsters makes them think they’ve repealed the laws of karma. I almost wonder anymore if they’re right.
True, but there does seem to be a punctuated equilibrium in that continuum? How many exclamation points occurred over that time and why do I feel so many more happened under Clinton and since?
Summers should be in jail. Any proceeds from books sales should be confiscated. President Clinton said his biggest mistake was listening to Summers’ advice.
He might try one of the horses that used to have to carry fully armored knights. Larry the Hutt probably doesn’t weigh much more than that…
Clinton erred on repealing Glass-Steagall? How?
The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (R-Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999.The 1999 passage of the bills repealing Glass-Steagall basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives.
After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999. –wiki
The US is a democracy, after all, and the congress put the repeal bill on Clinton’s desk after passing it 452-65.
A few more things you guys shouldn’t look at. Trust me DON’T look!
(REALLY, DO NOT) Might ruin the hole damn party.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/dutch-ask-their-central-bank-where-our-gold
Dontcha know, when the europeans start goin’ all teabagger, jeesh, the world might really be gettin’ nuts eh?
More.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/spoiler-alert-santa-tooth-fairy-and-keynesianism-are-imaginary-friends
Oh no!!
Daddie? Are you sure Santa claus is real?
HMMMM>
BC it’s cumulative, and each time you go thru it, there are fewer resources to combat the resultant problems.
Carter’s dereg started with some really silly & outdated regs, like reg Q which capped the interest rates that banks could pay on deposits and “freed” S&Ls up to expand their biz beyond small geographies on the theory that diversification would be a stabilizing factor. It seemed like a good idea at the time until the S&L meltdown, which launched the moral hazard of USG bailing out banks.
Won’t go thru the whole sorry history, but it’s a bit like the frog boiling cliche.
googling
In a 1995 speech and testimony to Congress Rubin signaled the Clinton Administration was ready to repeal Glass-Steagall:
http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/bill-clinton-glass-steagall-and-the-current-financial-and-mortgage-crisis-part-two-of-an-indepth-investigative-report.html
Robert Rubin ring a bell?
What was the administration working on behind the scenes. Obviously cheerleading for passage. Otherwise the final vote would not have been so lopsided. Part of the kabuki that creates plausible deniability for the prez.
Yep, I heard about some of the history of this on Hartmann’s radio show.
I haven’t sat down and studied everything but seems like a list of the worst bad turns we have taken could be compiled fairly easily and while each President since Carter(?) shared some portion of the blame, there were administrations demonstrably worse than others.
I agree though, it’s been a progression, building toward worse policies.
agreed, but I think O was singled out as a poss long before he ever run for the first seat in chicago senate. I think he was given lots and lots of acting and public speaking lessons. We know so little about this guy.
{ LOL } Brings those little packets of Cleansing Wipes & Towelettes (“Our Price: $0.99″!).
Ultimate fat cat.
And apparently, neither did ole’ Larry.
Raygun ,the actor, is his role model.
What time did you start hitting the bottle today?
This all kabuki.
I can’t believe people are falling for this shite here at FDL.
This is more spin: “We’re not wholly corrupt and evil, … we’re just incompetent, … so don’t hate us or go after us, …”
They’re rewriting history to suit their needs. Better for them to be seen as incompetent than wholly corrupt, serving their masters at the expense of the country.
They’re not stupid people!!!
1. These are supposedly the smartest guys ever. And considering they ripped off trillions and trillions, … 19 trillion to date. Tell me they’re not the smartest thieves on the planet.
2. So-called professionals in their specialty. They’ve been doing this for years. Pushing the same failed policies. That “accidentally” benefit them and their kind while destroying America? And this is incompetence? Bullshite. Go sell that shite to someone who wants to eat shite sandwiches.
3. So they’re “incompetence” benefits them to the tune of trillions, and their policies have failed for this country for decades, … and people actually think this is “accidental”? If you folks are this naive, then enjoy your beliefs as they keep ripping off America.
BTW, no course correction. So not only are the “incompetent”, and they know they are “incompetent”, but they keep pushing the same failed policies, … all the while stealing trillions more.
I feel incredibly sad for anyone who believes this “incompetence” excuse.
Exactly it’s all kabuki.
Now they’re covering their asses with the “incompetence” angle, just like BII.
Have you been drinking again?
I decided he was eyed for the PTB stable sometime at Occidental or earlier, since the move from Occidental to Columbia is quite an upward jump that would probably have been engineered behind the scenes. Was formally recruited when he went to work at Biz Intl after Columbia; BI admitted to having fronted CIA agents in the 1950s, but does that tie ever get severed. That would make the rest of his career the planned event that seemed so artificial to me when I first thought about it, and for sure include your suggested acting & speaking training.
Anyhoo, that’s my current hypothesis, but just guessing.
The minority could have filly busted it ,they had more than 41, Right ?
LOL. See my #45. Seems so sad that they are probably both drinking alone.
That’s what happens when you allow Sunday liquor sales starting at 7 am, as is the case here in Michigan.
I would no longer waste my time trying to figure out wh prez were better & wh were worse bc it’s been such an uninterrupted downhill disaster. I find the Q of why it was never interrupted to be more intriguing.
I’ve read that Larry Summers supports focusing on jobs and increasing demand within the economy rather than the deficit. In this regard Summers is right and Obama is wrong.
Yeah, he would and did. They all will until they stop playing to the wealthy and start playing for us. They ask first what the smartest guys in the room would do and not what the people need. Nothing but smart asses getting rich on my back.
Sorry Larry Summers. You co-own this shit sandwich, you co-eat it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/17/obama-tax-plan-millionaires_n_967861.html
a little late, wouldn’t you say?
et cela?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/topsecretamerica/
can’t do this?
http://goo.gl/XXuOC
Whether Obama decides he’s a scapegoater or a sell-out, I don’t
care. But, he should do that on his own time.
Dear Mr. Dean:
someone else, please. We do not know Mr. Obama.
They will all abandon Obama. He was a fool to try to get into the private clubs. I still don’t think he gets that he’s in a class war.
Larry got religion? since when? Where did you find this gem?
Me neither. He is Mr Bipartisanship, you know.
Well put, PW. And “sans any condiments,” would be my only editorial contribution.
Link?
My impression is that Summers disappeared himself once he got into the admin. Never saw much that he said reported in the media. Besides, given his larger-than-life bullying personality, it’s hard to imagine, even if he said that, he couldn’t make it happen when he was head of the econ council, which is top economics job in admin. He coulda just been pandering.
You’re right, he was the smartest guy in the room after all. Time for a little revisionist history, me thinks.
Summers was certainly smarter than that female economist, Christina Romer bc everyone knows that lil wimmin don’t know how to think logically & can’t do math. According to a snippet I read from the book earlier about a complaint of hers, apparently O shares this POV with Summers.
Why shouldn’t Clinton have signed G-S? It was passed overwhelmingly by the congress. How could Clinton defy congress in this case?
Legislation with that kind of vote on final passage always have prez support behind the scenes. If Clinton had worked to oppose it, it would have gotten a smaller vote & been susceptible to veto, which was the last thing Clinton wanted.
Sedan Chair.
Pity the poor carriers.
Off to finish cooking.
It was as stated Summers, Geitner, Greenspan & Rubin that caused this whole nightmare. Why “the pres.” even hired them was amazing to me at the start. He just did not have the ins when he came into office!!!! He should have relied on Volcher from the start…..no question!
A lot of the comments here, including the diary that started it, are part of a common but false theme which is that the president runs the country like a dictator, and does it poorly. Clinton bad, Bush bad, Obama bad.
While it is true that our presidents have been bad, it’s even more true that the congresses have been worse. The American people get it. In polls the congress rates considerably lower than the president does.
Regarding G-S repeal it was originally feared that the whole thing would be done by the executive branch. As it turned out the repeal bill passed by an overwhelming vote of congress. Saying that Clinton forced them to do something they didn’t really want to do is bullshit. It’s like saying that Bush forced the Dems in congress to support the Iraq fiasco.
Put the blame where it belongs rather than engage in mindless name-calling against a president. The blame belongs with congress.
I dignified your statement by doing a lil googling. Might you do yourself the courtesy of doing the same?
Without context, your question is just plain wrong.
I’d say he eats well. Possibly too well: his collar seems to be cutting off the oxygen supply to his brain.
Shrub was the sorbet between the courses.
I’d think Mrs O could fix that viewpoint for him. She’s probably smarter than he is.
yea he eats well..sausage. wanker
Obama still hasn’t figured out that everything he professes to “admire” – Reagan’s “fundamental changes” and every Clinton triangulation act he takes (which looks more and more like “peace in our time” appeasement than anything else) is EXACTLY what’s wrecking his Presidency. He’s at least ten years too late on all this stuff and apparently hopelessly out of date in his views. DC must be a bubble because this was pretty easy to spot in early 2009 when he picked that wrecking crew of Summers and Geithener to “fix” the economy.
But then he wanted to do all that – just now he’s starting to clue in that this was all the wrong moves if he wants a second term.
Not a mistake for either one of them, just for the bottom 98%. Clinton’s “remorse” is strictly for public consumption. He’s still conning people to donate to his foundation that provides “hurricane proof” trailers for the homeless Haitians, that are purchased from the manufacturer of the Katrina formaldehyde trailers. Both of these clowns deserve Oscars for their kabuki performances.
Here’s the problem I see with your logic.
1. No one here says the President is a dictator. Well he may act like it when he continues making war without congressional approval, does extrajudicial killing or denies habeus corpus but the claim that he behaves like a dictator would never be made without saying how he is inarguably behaving like one.
2. The President often works WITH Congress to do in your words, bad. There is more than enough blame to go around. Why leave out the SCotUS, for example.
3. Bush didn’t need to force Dems to do anything because as you should well know, a common narrative is that both parties represent those who pay to play.
4. The President is playing a game now. He’s short selling people’s faith in Congress because he has nothing better when it comes to strategy. He doesn’t have a competing vision that he actually believes in. There’s a Nader campaign video that shows McCain and Obama
duelingagreeing across the range of issues. It’s fairly amusing if you ignore the damage done. Obama will follow the same strategy this next time and run as close and parallel to whoever is anointed by the elites in the other party, just wait and see.5. Name calling is in no way even remotely offensive as the failed policies promoted by recent Presidents including the current one.
The problem is both parties, but I was more willing to blame them earlier in his presidency. At least the recent spin (no doubt totally self-serving on the part of the spineless Congresional rats leaking to MSNBC etc.) is that he’s never made friends on the Hill. So he’s going to cook his own goose and should get full credit for the stew. His only constituency appears to be himself. Oh, the O-bots aren’t likely to desert him but they don’t want to look in the mirror. The out of work African-American community doesn’t have that luxury. But it remains to be seen whether they will choose anger or despair.
Robert Scheer’s book “The Great American Stick-up” does a good job of explaining the roles of Clinton and the Gramms in formulating the current economic disaster. Both Clinton and Obama allowed themselves to be co-opted by the G.H.W.Bush crime family and that affiliation has proven to be very financially rewarding for them. They share the same neo-con philosophy in.re. foreign affairs and support neo-liberal economic policies at home and abroad. They’re really no more than glorified salesmen/pimps for US corporations.
I think the difference is that Clinton was hoodwinked by the wall street insiders club masquerading as his “economic advisors.” After that group of idiots were debunked as pivotal in helping to cause the collapse, Obama hired them anyway ! Either Obama can’t read or he’s knowingly endorsed and carried on the wall street running of our government.
So, which is worse ?
She’s on the gravy train and won’t do anything to derail it. That’s like saying that Hillary would object to Bill screwing the country while she benefited from his actions. Not plausible.
Sure. Clinton, the Rhodes Scholar, was “hoodwinked”. Was he “hoodwinked” in furthering the neo-liberal wet dream that is NAFTA, while “reforming” welfare, as well? File that crap in the fiction section. The same goes for Obama and his policies.
and his heart.
Reagan puppet, G.H.W.Bush puppet, Clinton puppet, W puppet, Obama puppet.
Fixed that for you. All were instrumental in fulfilling the dreams of Prescott Bush, oligarch.
Agree with the comment wrt obama, but not so much wrt Clinton. The New Democrats, formerly DLC’ers, were not hoodwinked. Rather they fully intended to dissolve the left’s influence on the Dem Party. Do I misunderstand something?
You are right that congress comes in for a lot of the blame. But it is also true that a president sets the stage for what he wants. YOu can’t tell me that Clinton did not want what he got.
Michael Moore recognized Clinton as the best Republican President of the USA. He presided over the government during the passage of NAFTA, welfare reform, the gutting of financial regulations, and the Dot Com bubble. Quite the populist, but he professed to “feel your pain”. He must be the ultimate sadomasochist because he can still experience the pain that his policies have inflicted on the rest of us.
Wow, the Clinton derangement by bitter former Obamabots is pathetic. We should be so lucky as to have another administration as successful as Bill Clinton’s.
bluedot12, “YOu can’t tell me that Clinton did not want what he got.” No, and you can’t tell me that he did. It’s a ridiculous statement. I’m sorry your former boyfriend, Obama, has been such a bust. A lot of us saw that coming in ’08. That’s not Clinton’s fault, that’s your fault.
Don’t blame Clinton because Obama broke your heart. You were a sucker to begin with.
Assuming facts not in evidence.
And a lot of the people who were here then knew that we weren’t getting any liberal candidate from the Ds. (Including Hillary.)
bluedot12 and eCAHNomics 59
Here is a link from the Daily Beast – Larry Summers calls for a 10 year plan on jobs.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/11/we-need-a-10-year-plan.html
I wonder if there isn’t a difference of opinion between Larry Summers (and Robert Rubin also) and the Obama administration on the whole austerity direction.
very few presidents understand enough economics to understand the repurcussions of their decisions, FDR being the notable exception. Joe Stiglitz was head of Clinton’s economic advisors, and the economy performed well under Stiglitz, including tax increases on the top bracket early in Clinton’s tenure, and full employment by the late 90′s, and he delivered a surplus budget and a 10 year window on wiping out the national debt. That is not underperfomance in terms of running an economy.
Clinton also had some poor advisors, Summers and Rubin and Greenspan. My point is that even in hindsight, even after the collapse, Obama chose the bad policy people and ignored the people who had it right, and still ignores the policies of Stiglitz, Krugman, Baker, etc.
Those are two vastly different things. One is ineptitude in economic policy, and one is knowingly fucking over of the populace.
These people are sick and they need help.
very few presidents understand enough economics to understand the repurcussions of their decisions, FDR being the notable exception. Joe Stiglitz was head of Clinton’s economic advisors, and the economy performed well under Stiglitz, including tax increases on the top bracket early in Clinton’s tenure, and full employment by the late 90′s, and he delivered a surplus budget and a 10 year window on wiping out the national debt. That is not underperfomance in terms of running an economy.
Clinton also had some poor advisors, Summers and Rubin and Greenspan. My point is that even in hindsight, even after the collapse, Obama chose the bad policy people and ignored the people who had it right, and still ignores the policies of Stiglitz, Krugman, Baker, etc.
Those are two vastly different things. One is ineptitude in economic policy, and one is knowingly fucking over of the populace.
If you lay with dogs, you get fleas.
Larry Summers is so unattractive on so many levels. Hope he has nothing ever to do with public policy or public life ever again. Obama’s problem is/was that he never had enough of his own people to put in various positions. Or else, Obama figured the Bush people were his poeple, too. How many traitors did Obama allow in his own camp? Traitors meaning those going against Obama campaign promises or the spirit of his campaign that those who voted for him were screwed out of.
Keep making excuses for the plutocrats responsible for our current economic disaster. Keep looking forward.
The facts are there if you care to look and analyze them. What may not be evident to the people of the US, due to being fed BS propaganda for decades by a corporate controlled media, is glaringly obvious to those who have been the victims of the same imperialistic neo-colonial policies that the US has practiced since achieving super power status. Perhaps a reading of the works of Eduardo Galeano, Naomi Klein and John Perkins will serve to broaden your perspective.
Remember ENRON?
The seeds of the destruction of ENRON (and later Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers) were planted during the Clinton years, seeds that were planted on President Clinton’s desk by the Republicans running Congress, but watered by Clinton’s signing pen.
However, the maturation of these seeds of financial destruction didn’t occur until Bush became president and his anti-regulation administration was running the executive branch.
In early 2001, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) could have stopped ENRON on-line traders out on the west coast, diminishing the damage done both to west coast utility ratepayers and eventually to ENRON itself, but the Bush administration for months refused to have FERC investigate and find out who was rigging the west coast energy markets to their short term benefit.
A variation of this occurred in the fraud-driven housing bubble. As state and local officials started answering an increasing number of complaints about toxic mortgages in 2002 and 2003, some of them (Republicans and Democrats) tried to apply state and local consumer protection laws against the perpetrators of this financial fraud, like Countrywide Financial, taking them to court. The Bush administration stepped in, however, stopping these consumer protection law cases, taking, state and local officials all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, at which time a majority of Republican justices sided with the Bush administration, nullifying all state and local consumer protection laws in the process, letting the housing mortgage fraud continue…and allowing the fraudulently-rated “AAA” derivatives-package scam to continue as well.
IOW, both the destruction of ENRON and later what happened in 2007 and 2008 regarding the collapse of the fraud-driven housing bubble could have been avoided (or at least lessened in severity) if the Bush administration had acted immediately (per ENRON and FERC) or not done anything at all (letting state and local consumer protection laws do what they’re meant to do, that is, protect consumers, dammit).
So, the seeds of financial destruction that were planted in the toxic de-regulatory soil of the 1990s reached maturity in the Bush years, when grim Republican reapers ran the farm.
Democrats in 2009 had the opportunity to uproot these poisonous seeds and plant a fresh crop, one based on seeds that FDR planted in his first term in office. Yes, I give President Obama and Democrats credit for stopping another Great Depression in 2009 with TARP II, Cash-for-Clunkers and bailing out Detroit (and over a 1,000 Republican-owned auto dealerships), but then they got side-tracked for over a year with passing latter-day Romneycare and with extending the toxic, budget-busting deficit-exploding Bush era tax cuts. And yes, Obama and Democrats did establish a federal consumer protection agency (to replace the Bush-destroyed state and local ones), but what good is a federal consumer protection agency watchdog without teeth? Maybe a lot of growling, but no bite.
Thus, the seeds of financial destruction still remain planted in U.S. soil. Obama and Democrats didn’t re-enact Glass-Steagall when they had the chance. They didn’t hold previous Bush administration officials accountable for all the crimes they committed. Similarly, they didn’t hold accountable any of the Wall Street executives responsible for almost crashing the U.S. and world economies in 2008, leaving them instead to make record profits (and huge bonuses), while staying out of jail and using their profits to buy even more politicians.
Which raises my final question: we all know that “too big to fail” corporations were left in place, to continue down their “business as usual” path strewn with seeds of financial destruction, but is the United States of America “too big to fail”? I thought not. Tea Party Republicans almost “failed” America during the right-wing-manufactured debt ceiling crisis a couple of months ago, and they are no doubt going to try the same hostage-taking tactic again. Give them time. They’ll destroy America, and someday our nation a memory, like ENRON, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns. “Let’em Die” conservatives do seem to have a destructive streak (or gene) in them, don’t they?
To be clear, 61% of the Democrats in the House voted against the Iraq Resolution.
I still find it funny that back when Obama was assembling his cabinet, some of the Kos comedians said that it didn’t matter who Obama appointed, ’cause they would merely do the bidding of the great chess player.
that
“the seeds of the great recession were sowed while clinton was ‘the adult in charge’ ”
is just unadulterated editorial crap from blue texan.
the “seeds of the great recession” were sown by greenspan’s boyish idolatry of free markets, by his and rubin’s and summer’s and refusal to tolerate the necessary regulation of the banks they had “freed up” to con both poor folks and pension funds, by the earlier gramm-leach-blyley, by an entire cadre of congressional democrats bought and paid for by the banksters, by large numbers of republican congressfolk who did not even have to be paid in order to harm the nation, and, most importantly, by the president, the sec of treasury, the head of the sec, occ, etc., in the george w. bush administration who repeatedlt looked the other way despite ample warning of the dangers of the new securitized mortgages and credit default swaps.
blaming a president – clinton – who left the national government’s finances in the best shape in decades for a recession that occurred near the end of his successor’s term is excentric to say the least.
it raises the question: what’s the motive behind this charge?
I edited.
It’s really the exclusion of reality or evidence contrary to their particular ideology that grants the modern day disciples of voodoo economics access to higher power. I’d argue that one has to be particularly well schooled in the dark arts of economics to not understand the simplicity of what is required for a functioning economy that serves average people.
I may get your point though. What would one call a President who doesn’t have the ability to comprehend when something is over one’s head? An intelligent person with similar access as the President could get on the phone with practically anyone well informed and have them explain whatever was confusing to one’s satisfaction. In that way, the President learns and is maybe better prepared for the next challenge? I’d expect the excuse that a Republican President needn’t have the intellectual curiosity or what-have-you to ensure a responsible and intelligent decision was being made, but as an excuse, not understanding consequences of a decision made before comprehension was observed, that I make no room for acceptance.
Woodward said Obama was isolated, right? Obama comes from the NEW Democrat school. It isn’t ineptitude when he is serving those he always intended. The fabulously wealthy individuals and corporations are doing fine and are really how far from being fully recovered?
It’s hard for me to make sense of my own response especially given what you wrote. Clinton and Obama are each a deadly mix of ineptitude and “knowingly fucking over” to lesser or greater degrees. We can’t afford either.
“obama may never recover from…”
what nonsense.
what president obama WILL never recover from is
lacking the experience to be president
and yet being egotistical enough, and uncaring enough about the nation,
to run for president anyway.
while you are helping an excuse-making prez make excuses for himself, blue texan,
maybe you can explain to us why, more than half-way thru his presidency, the president has made no attempt to penalize the banks that nearly destroyed the economy in 2007 or their leaders.
why the obama dep’t of justice has no investigations of and no charges against the banks and those bank’s presidents.
what a sorry excuse of an excuse-making column you have written.
I’m pretty sure that statement was not intended to be taken factually?
I’d also question the whole framing that Clinton was working some kind of magic when there really were simpler explanations.
If an honest to goodness authentic self identified Republican were in office that time, I think you would find the idea that the internet bubble economy had something to do with the jobs that were created, more so than just crediting a President for a being an economic Hall of Fame’r.
In addition, excentric? You had to have been using sarcasm and I missed it. Given that Clinton was a so-called centrist, any criticism from the left would be by definition, excentric.
if you want a take different from blue texan’s on obama’s responsibility for hiring geithner and summers, read this post by financial analyst yves smith on obama’s excuse-making tendencies:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/09/latest-obama-lame-excuse-my-staff-was-insubordinate.html
I’m unsure we read the same op? I’m not seeing the excuses. Welcome to have them pointed out though.
And I’ll answer the question about Obama and banks. The interests of the federal government and the Too Bigs have merged.
I also suspect that any attempt to brink financial terrorists to justice would cause some republicans to say mean things about Obama and we all know he can’t take that.
you thoughts seem garbled;
you writing seems nonsense.
that you are not seeing them does not mean they are not there.
it only means you are not seeing them,
which is not hard to understand given your garbled versions of reality above.
You’re right, I am talking past you. I have better things to do, maybe next time a discussion will be more productive.
let’s see now, blue texan,
senate vote on gramm-leach-blyley:
yes=90 no=8 notvoting=2
house of representatives voting on gramm-leach-blyley:
yes=362 no=57 notvoting=7
simple question: what numbers would have been required to overide a clinton veto?
answer:
senate = 67 votes
house = 290 votes
and the three republican members of congress who sponsored gramm-leach-blyley –
for whom demo congresscritters fell all over themselves to support –
discussed here:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act
True – and actually Clinton was the best for the economy since the 70′s in terms of actual acts -
Blue Texan refers to Clinton’s quote on derivatives – but not what he was talking about – which was to attempt to change the GOP road block to regulation put up by Greenspan in the Commodities bill of 2000. Clinton chose to not fight it but instead to fight to close the ENRON hole. The ENRON hole was not closed, Clinton’s ENRON change was rejected, and we had to wait to 2008 to get that hole closed.
Then Blue Texan refers to Robert Scheer’s article – Robert Scheer has near saint like points in my world but he also is void of specifics and indeed “rather wrong – not totally wrong” as to Clinton DEREGULATING derivatives. While the Commodities bill of 2000 took derivatives away from SEC authority – and Clinton signed the bill because it had other parts that were needed – the investment banks never stopped being regulated by Greenspan and the FED, and Greenspan could have stopped the nonsense at any point.
i’m nosely curious how you came by your knowledge,
but nosey curiosity aside, i learn a lot nearly everytime you share your experiences with fdl readers.
tx
Obama has always been his only constituency. While you can rightly argue that such is true of nearly all politicians, some of them have a sense of sharing that takes in a much broader, and more ecumenical, constituency. Obama’s history suggests he does not have that sense. Obama is about himself.
Nope.
Reclining on the cushion of comfort provided by a personal fortune estimated at $100,000,000, give or take.
Larry Summers is a very bright guy and a very effective political in-fighter who is furiously re-writing history now that he’s stepped away from directing it. The smartest of the bunch may be Robert Rubin, who says nothing. Keeps his head down and gives no one any reason to notice him. Rubin, who seems to know better than anyone else what behind the scenes power is about. I was trying to think of an eighteenth century intriguer of similar style and accomplishment but no one comes to mind: the well known ones are too well known to be similar.
We’re in substantial disagreement about Obama. He knew.
summers and rubin have done to the american economy what dick cheney and george w bush have done for civl rights, constituional protections. summers and rubin are the progenitors of the “shock and awe” class war. Together, all 4 malefactors have contributed more to the abuse and assualt on basic human decency than any other 14 people in American history. There is NOT NEARLY enough public loathing and castigation on the left for summers and rubin. must be because BOTH have spent most of their criminally equivalent, monstrously destructive careers (thier most prodcutive years) under democratic administrations.so much for “The party of Roosevelt”. The democrats are the party of summers and rubin.
It’s a waste of time to try to have an intellectual discussion with someone who’s determined to remain willfully ignorant.