As I mentioned a few days ago, the Secessionist has a big problem with GOP primary voters: his reasonable stance on immigration. And his opponents went after him hard about it last night.
Romney came out in favor of a border fence, which the Secessionist opposes, and the others focused on his granting in-state tuition for the children of undocumented immigrants.
I just don’t see how the Secessionist becomes the Republican nominee in 2012 with talk like this.
PERRY: In the state of Texas, if you’ve been in the state of Texas for three years, if you’re working towards your college degree, and if you are working and pursuing citizenship in the state of Texas, you pay in-state tuition there.
And the bottom line is it doesn’t make any difference what the sound of your last name is. That is the American way. No matter how you got into that state, from the standpoint of your parents brought you there or what have you. And that’s what we’ve done in the state of Texas. And I’m proud that we are having those individuals be contributing members of our society rather than telling them, you go be on the government dole.
The audience booed him, despite his “government dole” pander. Bachmann’s already running ads about it.
Karl Rove and George W. Bush, two other Texas Republicans, were blindsided by the nativist rage they set off when they tried to do immigration reform. It pits the crazies vs. the corporatist GOP — and it’s a lose-lose for any Republican.




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Weird. Perry actually being a semi-decent human being will be his downfall with the crazed, blood-thirsty, 30-year-old-male hating right.
IMHO Romney will be the nominee. They put all those crazies next to him to make him look like the adult in the room. Romney has the only real chance of beating O of course that remains to be seen. Perry can’t win a general calling SS a Ponzi scheme. All Romney has to do is run that as an ad over and over again. Republicans depend on SS too. Despite my better judgement I watched the whole debate and all I can say is Wow just Wow. I am surprised they didn’t have jets fly over the place where they were debating after the butchering of the National Anthem. Gawd help us all.
Since it’s too late to edit my above comment I’ll add the edit here –
“Perry being a semi-decent human being on this issue…
It’s hard to even get your mind around this. If you do something that’s right, these loonies hate you. They apparently think that if you don’t share their hate there’s something wrong with you. And they are willing to destroy one of their own in order to get their way. I just don’t understand the world any more. Logic has vanished.
On edit: On the immigration issue Perry seems like he supports the Dream Act. The Teabaggers won’t like that.
I think we should take this a step further and just hold the GOP debates at NASCAR events. They could be part of the pre-race pageantry.
Ah Ha. Good clarification.
I was going to say trying to appear as semi-decent isn’t the same as acting as one. He’s trying too hard too pretend he’s something he isn’t.
And, Poor Michelle. I guess she feels she’s got nothing to lose. She can always go home and dance.
I’ve got a feeling she could give Joey Chestnut a run for his money at the hot dog eating contest next year. Ya know, if the GOP nomination doesn’t pan out.
Yep, it will be Romney.
Perry says two things I agree with. That ties him with Obama.
Boxturtle (Perhaps if we declared the fence a public works project, the GOPers would be against)
Oh, har har. Thanks for reminding me of that lovely photo. I don’t usually eat corn dogs, but I think it’s probable that I never will again.
Did Obama say “the sky is blue and grass is green”?
The only thing I liked better than that photo of Michele was the one of Marcus :)
Kris, operative word there is “semi”.
Or she’s hoping for the VP slot with the winner.
Boxturtle (I just scared myself)
And, for so many reasons, it’s so ewwwwwww.
But is is a public works project. The taxpayers pay for it, some corporation(s) profits from it but since it’s supposed the keep the scary brown people away the Tea Party’s all for it.
Dunno. But if he DID say that, I’d sure check for myself before I told anybody else.
Boxturtle (And I wouldn’t shake his hand without keeping my other hand on my wallet)
“The Dream Act” not real popular here in Texas. Perry goes “off the reservation” frequently. He’s just been able to get away with…….so far.
She might want that, but I’m wondering if the R’s would make the same mistake two elections in a row.
I like NASCAR.
I like hot dogs too. Let’s not make them “political”.
Don’t say that. I just ate lunch.
A little help, please? How do I read my Notifications? Clicking on it takes me to myfdl, but then what? Thanks in advance.
I think they’ll go black this time. Herman Cain. Gotta admit, it makes sense, in a republican kinda way.
Back to work.
Namaste
If’n ya can’t make the car turn right it ain’t racin’. F1 rules!!
You mean in a fair and balanced kind of way? Pish Posh. *g*
Me too! Love it. But I don’t like the giant Merikuh! orgy that the pre-race shows have turned into.
Unless you’re in reverse. Ge batta woick. *g*
Ya’ don’t want to give those NASCAR drivers too many rules to remember.
1. Always turn left.
2. Stop and get more gas BEFORE you run out.
I think that makes for shorter drivers’ meetings.
Once you go to the MyFDL account thing after clicking on notifications the 1st time click on notifications again. That should work.
Yeah. Tha’t gettin’ a little over the top. Those invocations and a “Star Bangled Banner” as long as the album version of “Light My Fire” is a bit much.
To paraphrase Mrs. Obama before she was first lady: This is first time Ive been proud of our Gov in a lonnnnng time. (Now if he will just stop trying to stack the boards of our fine universities)
Thanks. Der. I wasn’t looking at the blue line at the top.
Wow. Popeye is a freak. Have I told you lately that I love long hairs?
I especially enjoyed the recent pre-race prayer that included the words “I want to thank the lord for my smoking hot wife.” You can’t beat that shit anywhere in sports.
And then Cal Naughton, Jr. said “I’ll hold your hair!”
It was great.
No kidding? Goodness gracious.
Palin was political calculus on the part of McBush. He figured she’d help him carry some states he’d otherwise lose for being too moderate.
Not sure how much Bachmann would help the ticket in this case, since except for Mitt everybody is already pretty far to the right.
If i were Perry looking for a running mate, I’d be looking at either a screaming anti-immigrant wingnut or Holy Joe.
Boxturtle (Holy Joe on a GOP ticket might win Ohio)
Long hairs as in breed or long hairs as in the ones I had to remove from my shower drain this morning?
Living with 3 ladies = pain in my butt sometimes.
Nativist fools blinded by their hatred of the other don’t realize that capitalism is fueled by cheap labor. The exploitation of immigrant labor is what keeps the multinational agri-corporations in business here in the United States.
Immigration reform doesn’t mean equal pay. Immigration reform means a more smoother flow of a cheap labor force in the eyes of the corporations.
A global standard of a a minimum wage must be established at some point.
Yeah that’s the ticket. They could all sit in pace cars before the race.
Well, isnt the VP spot always political calculus?
You’re correct, as usual. Which means I usually agree with ya.
I may be mistaken but I think that’s an image of Gandalf from Lord of the Rings.
Long hairs like your da.
He won’t when they start running ads against him.
He’s here. Let’s ask.
Popeye, is that you or some fantasy icon?
You are correct sir. Trying to spice it up a bit.
Oh.
That is an Avatar from Lord of the Rings. At least I got a comment about it. :)
Get no complaints from me.
Kris,
I’m jealous, 3 women?
I’m like a dog chasing cars though, I would not know what to do with it if I caught one.
You know what would make it Ultimate GOP Debating?
Doing the debate from inside cars during ride-alongs on the track while trying to shoot deer and turkeys from the passenger seat with shotguns and pausing to shotgun a Bud Light after answering a question.
My wife and two daughters. Lmao.
LMAO I would pay to see that.
Kris,
Enjoy them while you can, they grow up fast. My three daughters are 40,37, and 35 with families of their own. Now I get to be the spoiling granpa.
Now, I’m the jealous one. No grands yet. Maybe some day.
Maybe having debates with the nominees hooked up to lie dectors?
They all grow up too fast. My son is 45, my daughter is 42, and my grandkids range from 17 to 5.
The 3 youngest are step-grandkids, but they’re still grandkids and I love them dearly.
My girls are 5 and 10.
You Make Me Feel So Young.
According to Perry among those requirements an individual would have to be pursuing citizenship. I take that to mean they would need to have applied for a green card, which is very difficult to obtain for someone who entered illegally. I’m not sure how else that condition could be documented.
Perry’s list sounds almost like a catch 22. I wonder how it works in practise.
Maybe the citizenship route is made difficult so that all the undocumented people will join the military and fight our wars because many of them have become citizens that way.
The best idea yet but we know how that would turn out especially if the lie detector machines were made by Diebold. :)
Oooooh. And the lie detectors hooked up to cattle prods. Now that’s entertainment!!!!!!
Never put those two together. But it sounds like something we would have done on purpose.
O/T Thanks too all that accepted my friendship requests you make me feel like a part of your family. A great group of people I am glad to be associated with.
Hey all. Speaking of OT (since popeye brought it up); my account was wiped clean a few weeks ago. All my friends were deleted. Just sayin.
Romney came out in favor of a border fence…
Damn, Willard is playing this just right. In this economy, the winning stance for a Republican candidate is cultural conservative, economic populist. The trick is the harder you go right on cultural issues, the more leeway the GOP base will allow on economics. In contrast, Jon Huntsman has already let John Weaver doom his campaign but getting the issue mix backwards– he’s running as a cultural moderate, economic conservative. Unless the plan is to convince Michael Bloomberg to adopt him (which seems unnecessary since Jon’s incumbent father is himself a billionaire) then this is just stupid. But I digress.
Mitt Romney endorsing a border fence (and that’s usually suggested along with mandating E-verify on new hires) is a BIG deal for cultural conservatives, ditto with tariffs on China, which Romney endorsed a couple weeks ago. The other side of the coin is it leaves Romney free to hammer Perry from the left on Social Security just as, if he gets the nomination, he’ll hit Obama from the left for cutting $500B from Medicare.
I trust Romney’s campaign researchers will skim through progressive blogs to find issues that will split Obama campaign from its base. Here’s one for them: a permanent middle class tax cut–ideally on payroll taxes– “paid for”* by a financial transaction tax to shift money from financial economy to real economy (and yes its Grover-compliant), that is, from the wealth creators to the family creators.
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/03/my-affordable-family-formation-theory.html
*I’m sure the Romney folks are well aware of MMT (the 1 degree of separation between Mitt Romney and Warren Mosler is mutual friend Andy Card), but they can keep that under their hat until after the election. :o)
Or maybe all your friends deleted you…
Just sayin’
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Heh, cbl’s still on my list but you ain’t. Somebody pushed da wrong button.
Where in Texas? It’s a big state. I have wintered in The Valley, in towns where you don’t hear much English spoken and it is popular there.
One winter I had a medical emergency and a wonderful Mexican doctor, DONATING one day a week in a free clinic for poor people, saved my life. Want to know how I feel about the Dream Act? And about anti-immigration tea bags? I don’t go back there because I cannot stomach the blatantly racist bullshit of my Gringo snow bird peers. You do not have to leave the country to see “Ugly Americans”.
But make no mistake: Perry is a skunk who has political cards he has to play or he’s dead meat in his own state. Remember what happened to Gore?
I went to community college in Texas, there were no restrictions on who could attend at that time. In order to get instate tuition rates you had to prove residency with apartment leases or power bills. I think he’s putting on the spin for the regressives by referring to the children of immigrants. Notice he didn’t say they weren’t immigrants themselves.
The lazy racists demand that they learn english and then shut the door to ESL classes? No.
Isn’t that how it always goes? Just when you think you find someone who can truly represent your extreme racism and hatred, they go and do something kind. It just ain’t fair.
Mitt attacked Perry on this the same Mitt who hired illegals to cut his lawn then fired the illegals or so he said the Press double checked and he still had illegals cutting his lawn?
I’m up on Hispanic issues but then again so are the Racists they won’t vote for Mitt they know the same facts I know about Mitt.
This is a high interest election the Tea Baggers are motivated they hate illegals Mitt can change his mind on the issues all he wants but the GOP base just like us Lefties hate people who say whatever they need to to get elected.
. . . because, as you clearly point out, all NASCAR fans are the same.