Some people felt that Up with People played a part in averting a third World War.
Clean cut kids singing happy songs, traveling the globe and spreading a simple message of positivity, “Up with People!” Founded officially in 1968, Up with People was originally known as Sing Out, which famously performed at all-black Jordan High immediately after the Watts Riots, managing to win over the students with their perky, positive energy.
Up with People was a non-profit corporation, a counter to the counterculture, the voice of Nixon’s Silent Majority with its well-publicized busload of kids traveling the world and staying with host families delivered an experiment in a new life style, a freshly scrubbed version of hippies. Whether singing “Freedom Isn’t Free” at a barbed wire Berlin Wall checkpoint, showcasing their talents at Richard Nixon’s Inaugural, or performing in later years before groups of auto workers–who unknowingly would soon be laid off by the tour sponsor General Motors–Up with People was on message for the Establishment, spreading the word that being nice was nice, and the nicer you were to people, the more niceness would spread. And the world would live happily ever after.
Smile ‘Til It Hurts: The Up with People Story, Lee Storey’s exploration of the Up with People movement (which lasted 35 years) grew from revelations that her husband, the late William Storey, had been a member of the group. In the film, archival footage shows William, the group’s inspirational speaker, explaining:
We want to right what is wrong in the world through a moral revelation.
That desire was at the core of the Up with People movement, both in the hearts and minds of the performers and fans – and in a far creepier way, in designs of its founders and eventual corporate sponsors, whose moral agenda was synonymous with their bottom line. (Halliburton CEO Thomas Cruikshank was on the board of Up with People and Halliburton sponsored Up with People’s performance in Jordan, while the fundamentalist Christian head of the Schick, the razor manufacturer, sponsored the group’s first television specials and record albums.)
Up with People grew out of Moral Re-Armament, a religious organization created by Protestant evangelist Reverend Frank Buchman, who wanted to change the world through moral living. MRA stressed absolute honesty, absolute purity, absolute unselfishness and absolute love, and the MRA and thus Up with People had a cult-like atmosphere. One MRA/Up with people member recounts
You had to get permission to get married, permission to have a family. There were discussions: Should you have sex with your husband?
Up with People was an integrated group, with Native American, Black, White, and Asian American performers. Cast members would stay with host families, In Smile ‘Til It Hurts, African-American cast member Maggie Inge recounts her experience coming into a host family home after a performance. Confronted by shotgun wielding homeowner who told her that his wife had been wrong in allowing her to stay because he didn’t:
want no n*ggers in his house
she began to sing “What Color is God’s Skin” and the man put down his gun. They stayed up all night talking. That was the power of music being used for its highest good, music being used for positive change. But the message of the individual was twisted for the message that issued from the group’s founder and president, J. Blanton Belk who enjoyed the access to world leaders (and their hunting lodges) that Up with People gave him.
As Up with People grew, it also began to crumble. In the early years the group’s tours where paid for by sponsors, allowing for a greater diversity; but as the group’s staging became more elaborate and expensive, tuition was instituted, which prevented economically disadvantaged performers from joining. The group became whiter, middle class, more driven for commercial success, and it faced internal issues–including suppression of free expression, firing couples who got married without permission, and the demotion of prominent member John Sayers for booking the group into Harvard where they faced demonstrations and harsh reviews. And, as cast member Eric Roos points out, you had to erase the parts of you that stuck out. William Storey–who felt he he was an apologist, that being in Up with People
challenged my own blackness, what was going on in my community. Maybe they had gained the world but I had lost something integral.
For many that loss meant hiding that they were gay. Eric Roos came out one month after leaving Up with People, right after the group performed at the Super Bowl.
Once Reagan was elected and the Berlin Wall fell, the group really lost its luster and its political agenda. Corporate sponsors and wealth board members slowed or stopped their donations to the 501(c)3. In 2000, Up with People’s board members voted to suspend operations, but donors, including former cast members, helped to restructure and finance a new version of Up with People which stresses global community service as well as performance.
Smile ‘Til It Hurts: the Up with People Story gives a fascinating look at a cultural phenomenon that, while it may not have stopped World War Three, certainly changed the lives of the thousands of cast members over the years, while opening the gates of countries to a vision of America. And its corporations.



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Lee, I so enjoyed Smile ‘Til It Hurts. Thank you for being here and condolences from all of Firedoglake on the death of your husband. How long were you married before you learned his secret past as member of Up With People?
Hi Lisa! It’s good to be online to chat about SMILE ‘TIL IT HURTS. What a ride it has been to make this film!!
OK, I think I’ve got the hang of it. (I can be technologically challenged at times….that’s why we hired experts to produce the film).
For how long did you film? YOu went ot some Up with People reunions, didn’t you? How many UwP cast members and Moral Re-Armament members were willing to talk with you? Was the organization overal supportive of your making the movie?
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Thank you Lise. :) William and I were married for almost 33 years. However I didn’t know he was a founding member of Up With People when we first married. He didn’t reveal that until after about 15 years, when we were on vacation in New Mexico.
They came to Naples and put on a concert at the HS. Most of us thought it was really, really cheesy and of course the jokes came fast and furious.
Some people tried to organize a local one but it feel apart when the first concert attempt fizzled. When ever some really bad singing group came to town we would say they were part of Sing Out Ochopee.
Wow..how did it come up?
I started filming in 2004 at an UWP reunion in Tucson, Arizona. If you don’t know already, Uppies are generally, well “UP” and they were thrilled about the making of a documentary. It wasn’t easy to get to the “core group” however. There are about 20,000 alumni of UWP.
FYI, Smile Til It Hurts is available on DVD at this link.
The core would have been early members, and people your husband who was in the group form 1965 to 1968. And how did you find Eric Roos, who came out as gay a month after leaving the group?
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We were driving through the San IlIlefanzo Indian reservation in NM and William saw a mailbox with the name “Sanchez” on it. He stopped the car and hurriedly wrote a note: “If this is Gilbert who’s father was the Governor who was in Moral ReArmament and UWP, call me.” Well we had an interesting drive back to Phoenix from there. That same weekend, alumni heard that Willie was “found” again and the 25th reunion was coming up so they urged him to attend. William was happy to see his old friend but was reluctant to attend the reunion.
Ah ha!
Thanks! It’s a hoot.
In the film, William admits that in speeches he created a persona of a young man who had been in gangs, when really, that wasn’t the case. He was giving the audience what he felt they wanted. Did the cast members know he was elaborating for effect, to emphasize the benefits of Up with People and its message?
Eric was wonderful. We met a lot of people through references of others. I had to film many to get the gems. Although Uppies will all report that their 1 year experience “on the road” was “life changing”—they all virtually report the exact same thing; as if they were all reading the same script from the UWP website. It was difficult to get candid responses at times. They were simply extremely positive. Eric came through research of alumni. We wanted someone from the UWP Superbowl days and who could talk about the difficulties of being gay in UWP, that was founded on the principles of “Absolute Purity”—it was a challenge for many gay members.
Everyone who was a leader in the cast was doing that. The idea was to show others that UWP was “more than just a show” it was to show others HOW TO LIVE; that I was once bad and now I have found a better way and I am good—so to speak. They based this on the philosophy of Frank Buchman, the founder of Moral ReArmament (and predecessor organization of UWP), that to change others, you have to change the self first. Simple effective principle. Here it became a cultish obsession with ABSOLUTES; absolute purity, unselfishness, love, honesty. But yes, they were “tokens” to represent the “melting pot” of all that was supposed to be good in America at the time.
Absolute purity–with a hundred young people traveling together–that must have bene challenging, whether your are gay or straight. At least one couple was dismissed from UWP for getting married without permission. And other cast members just simply disappeared…
What explanation was given for these departures, espeically in the case of your husband who was prominent, John Sayers who was demoted for booking UWP inot Harvard and featured soloist Linda Blackmore Cates who married the piano player and received a letter saying their services were no longer required–after six years as a featured performer!
Look, it was the 60s. Baby boomers. It was during the heart of the Cold War; East vs. West. And we were in an ideological battle to win the hearts and minds of young people around the world. There was unrest everywhere. Vietnam was raging. The Soviets had an ideology and promoted it with propaganda. But here in the US, we didn’t have a plan, not really. And so UWP was formed to counter the counter-culture. They were to represent Nixon’s “Silent Majority”. In fact, founder J. Blanton Belk called UWP the “Sincere Majority”. It was designed to present a positive face of America: enthusiastic and hard working youth for a multi-cultural background; all very happy and “UP” about the future.
The ideals of Moral ReArmament–change yourself and you can change the world–are lovely (they came out of the Oxford Group whence also came Alcoholics Anonymous), but Buchman and those who came after him did create a cult like atmosphere. MRA is now Initiatives of Change and as the NGO IoC-International interacts with the UN and Council of Europe. The are now a multi-faith organization.
I thought (the subversive director) Alan Parker’s wonderful 1980 movie ‘Fame’ was an antidote to UWP.
(And now I understand why ‘The Natural’ (with Glen Close) completely altered the original (and very dark) Bernard Malamud novel.)
Many cast members simply were told to go home. Others were shipped off in the middle of the night if they questioned the finances. Or if they showed any affection or held hands. Some were left in Europe without money or a ticket home. If you were prominent in the cast, maybe they would split you up into separate casts. Early on, arranged marriages were for the “good of the corporation” and for securing financially sound arrangements.
And not doubt it did help change things. Maggie’s story,being face by a shot gun weilding homeowner who didn’t want a “n*gger” in his house, and how she sang to him was very, very powerful.
UWP cast members definitely had very sincere ideals. They were in some ways the singing Peace Corps.
But once tuition hit–now it costs a cast member $14,500 for 22 weeks and kids are encouraged ot fundraise through friends, community groups, online, etc.
What were the finances before tuition was instituted? The main cost seems to be airfare as meals and lodging was taken on by host families. Were cast members paid at all? Did they eceive a per diem?
Absolute purity meant no holding hands(or anything else!). Early in the film, one couple mentions that MRA held discussions about whether women should have sex with their husbands! And laeter on, it discussed that the group was controlled by sex and money…
The Borg with sweaters.
True. And the view of SMILE ‘TIL IT HURTS from MRA members today is interesting. Some of the older members were outraged and attacked me at a screening on Mackinac Island, Michigan. They insisted they were not a cult. But these are people who have donated EVERYTHING, property, money, time, service and vast fortunes to “the cause”. I had to suggest to them that it was not healthy to control sex in marriage, and that’s exactly what they did. They talked about everything and whether you should have sex with your spouse. Otherwise you might not have been “pure” and more importantly, didn’t have the personal energy focused on “the cause”. Others in MRA have written to me and thanked me for the objectivity and honest reflection. MRA today (IofC) is not the same organization it was in the 50 and 60s under Frank Buchman. And yes they are doing great works of reconciliation with world leaders even today, mostly through their center in Caux, Switzerland.
No cast members are not paid, then or now, although staff and organizational leaders are paid. In the early days, much of the financing was from benefactors of MRA—the industrial elite, if you will. MRA had vast fortunes and properties all around the world, including the Vanderbilt Estate. Cast members had minimal costs to travel; they were fed by host families and stayed in host family homes. Travel costs were evident, and more expensive now. It costs $14,250 to travel with UWP for 6 months today.
It was stunning ot me to see that the UWP/MRA members, the Sayers, still had twin beds decades after leaving the group. Mr Sayers said at the end of the film that UWP’s message is more relevant than 40 yrs ago, with country awash in moral corruption.
Yes, Maggie’s story is very compelling. It is one of the longer screen times in the film and doesn’t tell the full story because we had to cut out some of it. While filming, trucks kept driving by. Ugh! But she talked about how the mother and children who went to the concert came out on the porch and started singing with her. And they talked as a family. It’s very moving and gives me goose bumps even today. For me the story is wonderfully dramatic, but more importantly, is a great example of how Uppies viewed their experience as “one on one” and changing people through song. They may not have changed the world, but they did impact people through the positive and honest/genuine efforts as individuals.
The people was made up the “rules” for this group sound like a bunch of sex-obsessed, money grubbing, right-wingers who used young people in what I think is a terrible way. None of it sounds reasonable or fair.
LOL Aitch, I never thought of Fame as subversive, and now I will have to go revisit it.
John Sayre is an amazing individual and compelling character. Here he is, an Olympic gold medalist— and a leader of MRA and UWP. Physical fitness was being pushed by the government and schools (keep in mind that we needed a healthy army for the war). And John was a hero. Tall, handsome, All-American hero. But then he chose to go to Harvard with a cast that sang “Freedom Isn’t Free” and “Which Way America” even though the Harvard students were protesting UWP on campus. Many students felt (rightly) that UWP was a puppet for the Establishment. And like in Berkeley and other campuses, protested UWP concerts as “pro-Vietnam” (which they definitely were). The bad press from the show was why John Sayre was demoted. It came at a time when conservative DeWitt Wallace of Reader’s Digest “discovered UWP” and decided to give them a $1 million donation.
What year was that (roughly)? UWP was eviscerated in reviews at Harvard, and Sayer who booked them in was demoted, but his point was that to be revolutionaries (whihc he felt UPW were), you had to go where the opposition was.
I wanted to mention that John is a “true believer” and really turned the tables on me as a director. Before I could even ask him a question, he wanted to know whether UWP made a difference in the world. Think of it: here was this Olympian hero during the Cold War asking me whether his life had value. I didn’t expect that; he was so sincerely questioning what everyone did; their ideals and youthful idealism—something we should all honor—even if it was manipulated by those in control.
1967. And UWP continually used words of war (revolutionary, strike forces).
Lots of movements do that. Did they make a difference? No doubt one-on-one with their host families they did, and they did get experiences they might not have ever had.
But it was telling ot me that Halliburton’s CEO was on the UWP board and Halliburton, an oil company, underwrote UWP’s first trip to Jordan.
Lee, welcome to the Lake!
I’m so glad you made this film – a schoolmate in the late 60s was in UWP and I later worked with someone who’s son was in it in the 90s… Friends and I tried to go protest one of their events in the late 60s but they cancelled …we were very disappointed!
I do think UWP made a differnece, though maybe not always in the way the cast had envisioned. I wonder what China and Russa thought of them?
Lee, I would like to talk a little bit about what is going on with you, Smile Til It Hurts and the IRS which could majorly impact the voices of documentary (and eventually independent filmmakers). Could you give us some background?
In 1975, when Angela Davis announced she was going to form the People’s Bicentennial, it worried some funders of UWP that there would be a return to the unrest and division of the 1960s. Money came pouring into UWP and UWP formed “strike forces” of 50 or so cast members to sing in High Schools and celebrate the bicentennial across America. It was a return to the big propaganda effort of earlier years. After that UWP sang at four Superbowl half-time shows. People may also remember them from being parodied on the Simpsons, Southpark, Letterman, etc.
In what city was the cancellation? Did you ever learn why?
They have become part of our cultural fabric, and SMILE TIL IT HURTS definitely shows whose hands were on the loom!
Just an extraordinary film, really remarkable to see the life evolution of those who were involved in this project.
China and Russia thought well enough of UWP to let Pepsi and Coke into their countries, I suppose.
I always wondered what happened to them. Thanks!
Success!
The IRS. They have targeted me, but worse, documentary filmmakers everywhere. The IRS is claiming that I made SMILE ‘TIL IT HURTS as a “hobby”, and not as a business. Mind you, I have a separate film company, with separate checking, credit cards, bank loans, private loans, paid bookkeepers and CPA’s who reviewed receipts and prepared the general ledgers and statements to file my taxes each year. This was a significant undertaking and I knew that from the start. Although I am a lawyer, I went to film school, studied, took local classes, hired experts, modified the film at their direction, and I even have Films Transit (one of the premiere documentary film international sales agents) on board. My film won awards and screened at numerous festivals, even Docuweeks through the International Documentary Association in 2009. But they IRS think I made SMILE as a “hobby”and I want to say I made it for kicks and giggles—-all nonsense!
And now Taco Bell and KFC (yes, in cooperation with UwP)
One thing we noticed watching the film was the bizarre staging — all these clean-cut young people running in from all the doors to the hall, massing up on the stage. Initially it resembled a ‘good kids’ teen riot, as they ran amok through the hall on their way to their place, then they lined up (very orderly!) and sang their happy songs.
I’m told that, in theatre, bringing your cast in from behind the audience is a deliberate measure to instill anxiety — and I suppose especially so in the era of hippie rioting on American campuses. It’s a little unclear at the start of the show what exactly is happening, and I wonder if that was intentional — “see, these are simply revolutionaries of a different type!”
I don’t think anyone (unless they want to launder money, and even then I think that’s a myth) goes into to fimmaking with the goal to LOOSE money. Vast numbers of feature, narrative films loose money, from the really awful (Tommy Wiseau’s The Room) to the brillant (insert film name here).
YOur case strike fear into the heart of all indie filmmakers–documentary or feature. What can be done?
I remember another, similar group called ‘Stand up and Cheer’. Do you know anything about them? Were they a knockoff, competitors, affiliated?
This looks like an amazing film, I will definitely see it.
And that’s just terrible about what the IRS is doing.
While the judge stated from the bench at the end of the trial that I met most of the criteria for proving it was a “business” and not a “hobby”, she asked about the very nature of documentary filmmaking—whether it can truly be a business when the “primary purpose” is to “educate or expose” and not to “profit”. But on its face: with 20,000 alumni, 450,000 host families, 20,000,000 viewers in 3,600 worldwide communities, not to mention the millions who saw UWP perform during the Superbowls or parodied in our pop culture like American Idol, why on earth wouldn’t there be a built in market (IRS: THINK PROFIT) for this film? Also, no one has seen this footage before and I doubt it will ever be released for public viewing in the future.
If Hollywood really cared about independent documentary filmmakers, they would all go on strike: stop making American movies until Congress specifically directed the IRS to relent in this and all cases like it.
(I meant that Alan Parker is subversive as a film maker — an outsider; Fame (an underrated gem) seemed to be an antidote to the Moral Majority so-called world view.)
Absolutely correct.
Linda seemed shaken by her dismissal — for marrying someone in the UWP band, as I recall — to this very day. When she discussed still not being able to forgive those who fired her, and her husband; wow, that was an outstanding interview.
It was going to be in Stamford – never knew what caused the cancellation….
Has anyone found a connection between UWP and The Family?
The IDA, Film Independent, Women Make Movies, National Association of Latino Independent Producers, National Alliance for Media Art and Culture
University Film & Video Association filed an amicus brief in support of my case to help protect the future of documentary filmmaking as a legitimate business. They are fighting the good fight for documentary filmmakers everywhere. As for me, I am getting slapped with attorneys fees to fight the good fight also. The sad irony is that having to defend this case is making it impossible for me to profit from SMILE ‘TIL IT HURTS. If people are so inclined, they can support it with a donation at http://www.smiletilithurts.com or simply buy the DVD.
The judge has not ruled on this yet although all the lawyers have filed their briefs with the court. Here is the IDA link: http://www.documentary.org/news/ida-urges-us-tax-court-recognize-profit-filmmaking-status
Lee, thank you so much for being here tonight and for making this awesome film Firepups, thanks for joining us. You can find out more about the IRS case here.
Thanks!
Next week, Steve Moramarco returns to discuss his film The Great Intervention and his use of Kickstarter and guerrilla filmmaking.
I found Maggie’s story to have an unsettling underpinning. I find it hard to believe that a youth organization in the late ’60s sent a young African-American girl to stay with an strange family in the South and never considered that this might put the girl at risk? Were the UWP staff just not paying attention to what was happening in the South? I have to wonder if, on some level, someone may have been hoping for a tragedy that could be used to draw media attention.
The coworker’s son who joined UWP in the 90s seemed so much less “political” about it – when he left UWP he got a job at Disney World and I had a sense there was a whole alternate “performers” world of these *wholesome* spots.
Well Glenn Close was a member of UWP for almost 9 years. Her parents were fully involved in MRA and her grandmother contributed substantially to MRA. She, like my husband, didn’t want to have anything to do with it after she left. My Executive Producer, Jack Lechner, spoke with her about interviewing. She watched the film with her mother and late father in Wyoming. She declined to interview, thinking the film was “too balanced for her taste”. I can understand why she was so uncomfortable. It took my husband years to reach out to other alumni. He told me “not to dig too deep”, but I made FOIA requests anyway. I could have made a different film like Glenn Close wanted (expose) but it was important to me to present the experiences of youthful idealism against the political and religious ideological battles of our country over the past 4 decades. The kids were well-meaning.
I can see where Disney would be very interested in people who’d built up their “smile” muscles in UWP. Erik, in the movie, talks about how painful his face would be after every show.
My pleasure, Lisa! Thank you and to everyone who participated on the chat. Big hugs from the director and our entire team to all of you for watching SMILE ‘TIL IT HURTS. Catch us on the SMILE blog for reports and updates on the IRS case also: http://www.smiletilithurts.blogspot.com
:)
Time-Life, Inc. made a ton-for-profit when it published still photos in Life MAgazine from the Zapruder film of JFK’s murder. (And Zapruder was paid a small fortune for the film and the rights.)
When you got to the Schick guy funding UWP, I had been asking my television for about 20 minutes — “where did the money come from?” So I can see where someone who’d stepped away, like Glenn Close, and who had strong feelings, might have wanted a more critical expose’.
But your film was very good, and got me wanting to learn more. I’d love to know about the financing: did Nixon’s sponsors like Bebe Rebozo and Abplanalp and the California car dealers who got Reagan going kick in for UWP too, I wonder?
Folks should buy this movie on DVD.
It really captures the era and the phenomenon.
Just bought it. It looks fascinating
I am not sure. 1968 I think.
According you your intro, UWP was “officially” formed in 1968, yet I know for a fact that I had to sing UWP songs in choir during the 66-67 school year. (Still know some of the lyrics such as–If more people were for people all people everywhere, there’d be a lot less people to worry about about and a lot more people who care. Think I can make lame stuff like that up?)
So what was the official story?
BTW, considering the choir I was in usually performed things like Bach double motets, the UWP stuff was like a break from work. Horrid shit but easy to sing.
Total aside. Once knew a woman who did the tour and she was, sadly, a severe schizophrenic by that time.