I like Kevin Drum, but I think this is pretty much all wrong.
On the specific issue of the debt ceiling, the obvious thing Obama could have done differently was to insist that it be included as part of the lame duck deal last year. But for all the grief he’s gotten over this, it’s worth keeping in mind that Obama got a helluva lot out of that deal. In the end, he got a food safety bill, passage of the START treaty, a stimulus package, repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and a 9/11 first responders bill. Maybe it would have been worth risking all that over inclusion of a debt ceiling increase, but that’s hardly an open-and-shut case.
What’s more, Obama also won passage during his first two years of a stimulus bill, a landmark healthcare bill that Democrats had been trying to pass for the better part of a century, a financial reform bill, and much needed reform of student loans.
To Steve Benen, all of this makes Obama “the most effective politician since Reagan, and depending on the day, perhaps even the most effective politician since LBJ.”
I disagree.
Obama had three luxuries when he entered office: a mandate at the polls, huge majorities in both houses and a massively unpopular, discredited opposition. So it was a given that he was going to get a lot of bills passed.
But the question isn’t how many “wins” you get or how much stuff you “get done” — the question is, are you making good policy? And the answer with Obama clearly is no.
The president’s first responsibility was fixing the economy — not for the banksters, but for working people — and the stimulus was far too small to do it. Unemployment is still over 9% and the economy may be slipping into a second recession. The stimulus made the Great Recession less damaging, but sorry, that’s cold comfort to millions of voters who are out of work and losing their houses. And other programs that were supposed to help working people like HAMP were a catastrophic failure.
Meanwhile, the health care bill is still broadly unpopular. Why? Because people know they’re going to be forced to buy an increasingly expensive product from a pernicious cartel that they already hate. Will the Affordable Care Act help some people, like those with pre-existing conditions? Absolutely. But again, that doesn’t do much for millions of middle class families struggling to pay their health care bills, which they already can’t afford.
And I’m quite sure people don’t care about Dodd-Frank. What they know is that the banksters haven’t been prosecuted, are still screwing them over — and are richer than ever.
I’m surprised Kevin and Steve didn’t mention Obama’s rescue of the auto industry, because that’s an example where he was bold and made the right call.
But being an effective Democratic president means more than passing a lot of bills. It means making working peoples’ lives better, and it’s hard to argue that Obama’s succeeded at that over the past three years.



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Yeah, reads to me like Mr. Drum has taken a few too many blows to the head.
Effective Democrat, that’s a real gutbuster.
Mr. Drum, how much of that koolaid did you drink?!?
Boxturtle (And how many days of access to “unnamed white house sources” did they give you?)
That may be a fair assessment if it considers only passing legislation but does not consider the value of the legislation that gets passed. O has obviously not been an effective advocate for *any* progressive legislation.
Sorry, but the list of wins versus losses is no comparison.
DADT is some sort of great win? The President COULD have eliminated that on his own.
START?
Food safety and healthcare? Do you mean the areas that the Republicans are essentially defunding (with Obama’s approval since he agreed to the cuts).
Unfortunately, we don’t seem to have any effective Democrats left in office. In the first year of Obama’s term, they essentially got pushed around by the Repugnantcans even while they had a substantial majority. They didn’t even have the horns to put a single-payer system on the table – let alone try and pass one! They admitted it couldn’t be done before they even brought the bill to the floor of the house!
Let’s face it, the Dems’s are as spineless and wimpy as the Rep’s are mean-spirited and crooked. Either way, we’re screwed.
But I think the whole premise of “wins” is bogus.
Good point. When you take Boner’s assertion that he got “98%” of what he wanted, and subtract that from 100%, we’re talking about some serious benefit.
Yeah, this genius was able to pass a Republican health care bill. Big effin deal!
But even then, in his first two years, he had expanded majorities in both houses. The only other time that happened was the ’30s.
Obamamania!
Maybe a lobotomy explains it.
Do people still read Kevin Drum? I stopped reading him AND Mother Jones a few years ago. It’s like reading Newsweek. Yawnnn.
You’re right, the stimulus was the most important thing he had to do and he blew it…of course it wouldn’t have been easy to win that one with the so-called dems in the Senate like Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman. It would have taken a risky, dangerous plan and he didn’t execute one. One thing you didn’t mention, which I think was critical, was his failure to make the case for modern Keynesian economics instead of submitting to the republican voo-doo economics frame all the time…we must live within our means, etc. The second most important thing he had to do was stop the debt ceiling hostage taking and he blew that too.
it’s worth keeping in mind that Obama got a helluva lot out of that deal.
He did at that, it was just that helluva lot was for the top 1% and corporations. As far as Obama being more effective than St. Ronnie, you have a admit it’s true. It’s just that he’s really a republican.
Obama buys into trickle down. What else explains his 300+ billion in tax breaks in the stimulus package? For what, 2 Republican votes? The mendacity of timidity. Is it any wonder the economy has stalled? Trickle down just does not work.
re-quoted for troof.
And it means making working peoples’ lives better as a First and Foremost priority. Not as an afterthought. Not with crappy “starter home” legislation that’s dismantled years before its main aspects even go into effect.
“Worse than Bush”–Margaret
“And no more on my side than Boosh was!”–FunnyDiva
Is that 9/11 responders’ bill the one that doesn’t cover cancer? Yeah that’s an achievement.
Because their idea of the “right” outcome is different from ours. The banksters didn’t pocket ALL of the auto bailout money, therefore it was NOT the right outcome!
Q.E.flurkin D.
I remember thinking, “If the stimulus doesn’t work, Obama will lose in 2012.” I’m sure he knew that, as well.
Well, guess what? You don’t get a mulligan when you’re president.
Picking Summers and Geithner to head his economic team was a catastrophic mistake.
Effective Democrats? those Democrats don’t exist anymore. the democratic party has become a center-right party with corporate oligarchies; Mark Warner, Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Summers, Geithner and that idiot from North Dakota.
He never makes the case for anything. Just lets the lying liars frame every frikkin issue.
Mr. Blue Texan, another great job! Myself, I’m bracing for the bottom to fall out and a full blown depression to ensue. Sadly, it’s going to be a helluva ride. I can only hope folks take to the streets to change directions before a crash, but I see no white knights coming out of the clouds to stop the haboob from rolling right over us all regardless of ideology. I think this last deal is just exactly the wrong thing to do, plus we’re left with obviously very weak “leadership” (if you could call it that!) Bummer.
Nancy Pelosi just announced that in the Super Congress all “entitlements” will be on the table.
And without one Republican voting for it. Amazing.
Pelosi has been hanging around Obama too much.
Catastrophic, definitely.
But a mistake? Hmmmm. Not convinced of that.
That’s our Nancy. Takes Bush impeachment off, puts SS and MM on.
Totally agree with your analysis. I would add that even though Obama appropriately bailed out the auto industry, he screwed Main St. in the process because, unlike with bankers and traders, he demanded that labor make big contract concessions before he would do the bail out.
Not telling us anything we didn’t already know. The only things NOT on the table are the pentagon and additional revenue.
Boxturtle (I’ve run out of bad things to say about Nancy without resorting to profanity)
Obama goes for how many things are passed, not the quality of the bill itself. I am looking forward to hearing what he’s saying to people in the middle of the country about his “wins” and what he plans to do now.
Lin for that? Gotta stuff that under the noses of some of my Obot acquaintances!
Listen, the very first bill Obama passed and signed was the Lily Ledbetter bill and he royally screwed that one up too!
Yes, and each day that people find fewer jobs and fewer dollars to support themselves and their families the more the anger.
I agree 100%. Even whe he DID good, he “allowed” the republicans to put negative spin it. He has sat back and let them kick sand in his face and he just takes it. The DNC has done no better.
Just like recently, he has “allowed” the despicable black-hearted republicans to name the game and set th rules and conmtrol the debate. He has not learned that they don’t play fair and are willing to throw the country under the bus to make their point and accomplish their self-admitted #1 goal of gettin rid of him. He has tried to remain “above th fracas” and that is not the least of his troubles. You can’t deal with unreasonable, irrational people.
He has totally failed to do what he said about the banksters, Gitmo, and FISA. The AIG and auto bailout were actually successes, relatively speaking. But he has NOT taken credit where he should have. He let the GOP tur everything upside down and said hardly a word.
Now, the debt ceiling mess combined with the FAA fiasco. He really looks impotent.
Just reported:
Almost 47 million Americans on Food Stamps.
He is impotent and the Dems have no leaders. Someone needs to step forward and tell the Dems in DC what to do because they are lost.
Meanwhile the official propaganda machine continues
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/aug/03/satirical-mints-poking-fun-at-obama-pulled-from/
Forget that. Found it on HuffPo via Sam Stein.
The only person in Washington that behaves like a true democrat is Bernie Sanders and he’s an independent.
So, Nancy puts the big three “on the table” b ut the reputilians have already said NO TAXES. We are already STARTING in the hole. Well done democrats and Mr. President.
My term..”useless and clueless.”
I made that up.
Many argue that he is controlled by Wall Street and I can’t deny that but I also feel that he is really dumb. Otherwise, why would he do this to himself?
I guess I am still in deep denial. I know he is intentionally screwing us. I don’t know why I automatically think: why doesn’t he frame this properly?
I have to keep reminding myself: he is letting them frame it this way because we are easier marks if we don’t know the real score.
Kevin Drum approved “the chained CPI” proposal for Social Security, e.g. an aggregating, compounding benefit cut through the use of an underestimating consumer price index. He’s an official Obama apologist in my opinion.
Sanders? You’re kidding, right? If not, get a grip on reality. Jane just put up a great post here a couple of days ago about what a useless bag of wind he is. All talk, no walk. Big hat, no cattle. The Senate’s master of empty symbolic statements.
I am just as puzzled as you are. My only conclusion is he is getting some REAL BAD advice.
what a shame Benen has to wait ’til 2013 to get that CAT scan
Let’s be fair. It’s hard to be a senator with an (I) after your name. I do think he means well.
>>Meanwhile, the health care bill is still broadly unpopular. Why? Because people know they’re going to be forced to buy an increasingly expensive product from a pernicious cartel that they already hate.
Plus, for those who can’t afford, the US government will pay that money to the private health insurance cartel.
Corporate welfare at it’s finest
The advocate of free enterprise love competition except when they can’t compete with an alternative
He is framing it exactly the way he chooses. He’s not on our team.
The trouble is, until recently, Obama didn’t look like a liar to me.
Eric Cantor looks like an insolent liar who might push someone in front of a train just to see what sound it will make.
John Boner (when he isn’t blubbering) has those pale eyes of a dog who will bite you as soon as you turn your back.
Paul Ryan and that phoney, phoney, furrowed brow.
And Mitch McConnell looks like a reptile even tho I know he is an amphibian.
Just like he chose the GE guy who is currently shipping jobs overseas to his “jobs” man. It’s just time to believe our lying eyes.
both that Food Safety Bill and Greatest Piece of Progressive Legis. Evah!™ (HCR) are expected to be gutted or rendered toothless by this week’s Debt Ceiling Bill
“…Obama ‘the most effective politician since Reagan, and depending on the day, perhaps even the most effective politician since LBJ’.”
Obama is a pleaser, Reagan was not.
Obama is to LBJ as the Little League is to MLB.
Dude……it’s like you are INSIDE my brain. Thinking what I am thinking.
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How do you feel about Dos Equis????
Dudette :) Older Dudette, I’m not sure what to call that!
Yeah, I like it.
Well, considering it’s Bob Dole’s plan, they could have passed it 15 years ago if they were willing to stab America in the back, back then.
Kevin Drum is a concern troll, at least that is the impression I get from his posts.
Wonder how long it will take to start seeing the Obamavilles.
That Affordable Care Act is a real “blessing from heaven”. With a pre-existing condition, I now qualify for coverage that will only cost me $626 per month and a $3000 deductible plus co-pays. That totals roughly $10,000 per year, which when deducted from my $20,000 per year income leaves me with $10,000 for the remainder of my living expenses. I’ll be the king of the homeless with that kind of cash.
He and his cohorts are effectively destroying all evidence of the New Deal. That’s quite an accomplishment, just in a negative way.
Oh please! Don’t even get me started. That’s a giant load of shitty lying propoganda being shoveled at the authoritarians on the so-called “left,” to line up and take their daily dose of shit sandwich and declare how delicious it tastes.
No more!
There is NO difference between the so-called “Democrats” and the putatively named “Republicans.” The former left v. right paradigm is dead and gone. All we have is a one-party system. The laughingly identified “Democratic” politicians are as bought-off by and beholden to the upper 2% & the corporations as the so-called “Republicans” are.
Obama is nothing more than shill for the Plutocracy. Obama is a NeoCon and a NeoLiberal. He’s only an “excellent” politicians if you happen to be mega-rich, which I am not, yet I am somehow on the hook for this con-job’s salary and platinum benefits for life.
Get. A. Clue.
LBJ??? Sheesh. Even Reagan must be spinning like a top in his grave to have this grifter being compared to him. Ptoui!!
nothing better than watching Jon Walker go after Kevin and his various clownisms on twitter
Why do you think the corporatists installed him in the White House? It’s because he’s a very effective liar and willing to advance their interests. He and his band of cutthroats are from Chicago, where Milton Friedman and his “Shock Doctrine” economic theory are worshiped as the gospel.
Correction. Effective
DemocratRepublican. There, all fixed.Current headline:
Stocks pile on losses; Dow drops 400 points amid economy worries
Stock markets ‘fear index’ highest since March
Kevin Drum also claimed Bush enacted a “moderate liberal agenda“. Some people like to look at the Obama years through a vacuum as though everything else has stayed constant over the last several decades except who was President. it’s ridiculous.
I have to disagree.
The Democrats pretend to care about the middle class.
Keeping up this facade tend to make them less effective overall.
Current headline:
Stocks pile on losses; Dow drops 400 points amid economy worries
Stock markets ‘fear index’ highest since March
This is all the work of the 15% income tax hedge fund boys.
After all, the Hamptons in the summertime and the European vacation before fall has to be paid for by somebody.
And so, with fear in the air from the debt ceiling non-crisis so thick you can cut it with a knife, what better way to make some quick cash than ramp up the leverage, yell “Boo”, and watch your short positions make millions of dollars.
And don’t be upset. They do this in the same dispassionate way a shark eats a small seal, or child that had the bad luck to be in the water when it was hungry: their eyes just glaze over and they do what they have to do.
Ok. I’ll yield to you on that subtle, yet salient, difference between the “two” parties. Yet the goal of the “two” parties is pretty much the same: to serve the needs of mammon – aka the upper 2% – and certainly not to serve the needs of the middle/working class voters, who are on the hook to pay the salaries of these tin-pot grifters in Dee Cee.
Effective Democrat? Isn’t that sort of like using military and intelligence in the same phrase? One having absolutely nothing to do with the other.
who are on the hook to pay the salaries of these tin-pot grifters in Dee Cee.
Why are you insulting tin-pot grifters?
What did they ever do to you?
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-08-04-retail-sales-july_n.htm
The highest gains in retail sales last month were for high end expensive luxury items. The high-end retailers, like Saks & NeimanMarcus, had big rises in sales, whereas low-end retailers, like WalMart, has had to re-package goods, like toilet paper, into smaller bundles bc their customers cannot afford to buy the bigger batches at one time anymore.
Pretty much says it all. The rich are literally lining up to buy couture clothing at a mega-inflated prices, while the poor have a hard time buying toilet paper.
Let them eat cake….
Ya mean, like Sarah Palin??? Well, she never personally did something TO me, but… I sure got a headache whenever her nails-on-chalkboard voice & utterly stupid word salad was inflicted on me.
Cheer up, the next game in town is to bring home all those trillions being held offshore to help with jobs. Maybe we should do it tax free if they promise to invest in jobs?
It’s all so shameful. The drop in the markets today is as manufactured and preventable as the debt non-crisis was.
There is nothing in the financial news that warrants this sell off, nothing.
We knew the economy was slow last week, and the week before that, and the week before that. Traders simply saw an easy way to play on the fear out there for fast profits.
Until congress does something about market manipulation by these thieves on Wall Street, we will just get more of the same.
If you include being a sell-out, cop-out, lying, disingenuous, corporate shill as a prerequisite for being an effective President, then Obama has been outstanding.
Ya mean, like Sarah Palin???
Great example! Her face should be in the dictionary next to the term.
cause there’s no way of “proving” that the disease was caused by working in the toxic environment.
unfreakinbelievable.
I wonder what those heroic individuals, that risked their own lives think of their country
1. told by the government (EPA) that there was no danger to their health (snort)
2. Told by the government after they get sick…… tough shit.
how very civilized.
I just can’t fathom the callousness and cruelty levels, now attained by people.
If you’re sick, you should be treated.
period.
Sorry. You’re a girl?
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What are you wearing?????
Just kidding. My bad for “assuming”. Me, I don;t care what sex you are as long as you like Dos Equis and think that dick Cheney is a BAD mutha.
Where you at????
I think things is gonna be more worser over the next several months. My irritable bowel is een MORE irritable after this weeks shenanigans.
The healthcare bill is unpopular but not because people “know they are going to be forced to buy” anything. Most people already buy health insurance. But a lot of people will get dropped from their current insurance because their companies will just quit offering health insurance. I know at least 3 people who have already been told that their companies are not going to offer it any more.
Take a peek at Europe.
Europe actually makes the US look pretty decent these days. I’d be panicked if I lived anywhere in Europe.
What a surprise that is. /s
“it’s worth keeping in mind that Obama got a helluva lot out of that deal.”
From sources who prefer to remain anonymous, I understand that Obama got Girl Scouts federal subsidies for their cookies and secured a lifetime supply of pillow chocolates for the homeless as well.
And “helluva”?! Like “Heckuva Job Brownie”?! The parties are so indistinguishable that their respective sycophantic spin masters don’t even bother with their own writing styles.
“Effective Democrats Make Working Peoples’ Lives Better”
Outstanding! Where can one find such an animal?
You got a “time machine”?????? They’re back in the Sixties.
Defiantly not the impression I’m getting.
Greece is going to default in spite of the bailout attempts.
Italy and Spain are quickly deteriorating and too big to bail out.
With various other countries in bad shape, but not in danger yet.
Pelosi is bringing the “big three” to the table of the “Super Conspiracy”?????? The republicans have already said they will bring NOTHING. We the prople arealready bargaining from a disadvantage.
Super Conspiracy or Super Coup d-etat. Which do you like better.
I think the whole idea is unconstitutional.
constitutional?
That is so last century.
Wtf? @ 81
Sorry, I read your post wrong.
That’s because I don’t “recognize” the New Millennium.
Ha! And the ’60s is where the pretend popular image of the Dems is stuck as well.
You know, that “helluva”-”heckuva” variation represents the totality of the current difference between these two parties: The Reps say “heckuva” so as not to offend the good, church-going folk, and the Dems say “helluva” as if they were just another blue collar stiff talking honest politics after work at the neighborhood bar. They are both lying courtiers and hired guns who can’t even face their own dogs.
Take a peek at Europe.
My point is Europe didn’t just develop problems this week, and certainly their economic data isn’t 9% worse off this week vs. last week or the week before.
As far as European trading activity, they take their cues from us far more than we follow them.
Herds stampede and the market isn’t rational.
Thank You. Well Said:
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From the outset Obama threw away his 2008 election mandate (by design) and goverened falsely as if he only faced a united GOP landscape (large GOP Majorities, overwhelming public sentiment that favored GOP policies, etc.).
Not once did he ever attempt to advance any “progressive” policy regarding the Wars, Civil Liberties, Government Accountability, genuine Health Care Reform, Bank Fraud/Wall Street criminality, and on Taxation and budget policy.
Instead he himself and Rahm Emanuel, Timothy Giethener, Larry Summers, Robert Gates, and Hillary Clinton crushed the idea any “progressive” policy or true reform, with Obama immediately reversing numerous Campaign promises (hiring Lobbyists right from day one, for just one example) over and over and over.
One of most painful examples of this was the idea floated to lower the age of Medicare qualification down to 55 (or possibly 50), which would instantly achieve a full, single-payer Health Care model for everyone over that age, and without adding any new bureaucracy or any new costs. This idea had 50+ votes in the U.S. Senate. But then Joe Leiberman went on TV and announced that he would fight against it. This should not have mattered one damn bit (as they did not require 60 votes to pass it). The Obama administration should have proceeded to pass the reform with those 50+ votes.
Instead, they rallied behind Joe Lieberman’s objection, and ordered that the U.S. Senate not even bring the measure up for a vote. After this they continued their crooked agenda to pass a phony Corporate Insurance-Subsidy Bill, and they did this with just 50 votes (again, 60 votes were never required).
But those same 50 votes would have been much better spent lowering the age to Medicare, and providing an efficient single-payer system for all people in the age bracket of 55+. Obama himself deliberatly prevented this from ever happening.
Then there was the whole Bush Tax Cuts for the rich fiasco. In Obama’s mind, it is fine to setup a commission to cut Social Security, and pursue that agenda, but it is not acceptable to fight for the idea of cancelling Bush’s socialism-for-the-rich “trickle-down” Tax fraud — which (along with the Wars and Bank Bailouts) has Bankrupted this Country. During the fall and winter of 2010, the American public overwhelmingly supported not extending these Tax cuts anymore. The Democratic Party controlled the U.S. House. It would have been a slam dunk to pass the change. But because the GOP leadership decided that it didn’t like the idea (reversing themselves), Obama then took the cancellation of the Tax Cuts for the wealthy totally off the table — without ever putting the measure to a test (a test that the public overwhelming supported).
The truth is that Obama is a Republican mole (trojan horse), who is coordinating (in secret) with the Republican leadership to advance the most extreme right-wing policies that not even a Republican President could ever pass by themselves.
Obama loves and models himself after: Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush — the most corrupt Presidents we’ve had — and totally disassociates himself from FDR, Kennedy, and even Bill Clinton (who successfully reversed Reaganomics back in 1993, and stood up to Newt Gingrich’s brinksmanship and won those battles).
Had a Republican President tried to cut Social Security and/or Medicare (as George W. Bush also tried to), the whole of the Democratic Party would rise up and oppose it, and show their opposition with their votes, and fillibuster/parlimentary tactics. But Obama claims to be “a Democrat” no one within the Democratic Party will stand up and make that same fight.
We can’t even get a serious person (Al Gore, Russ Feingold, John Kerry, etc.) to challenge Obama for the Democratic Nomination, as he destroys the Party, to show that the “King has no clothes” and create a simple narrative in the support of progressive policies once again (which Democratic base would rally behind).
Who will speak up and call this man the political fraud that he is?
“Obama is to LBJ as the Little League is to MLB.”
not quite fair to Little League and kids who love the National Pastime.
How about Obama is to LBJ as foosball is to the World Cup?
Obama is to politics what the Chicago White Sox were to the 1919 world series.
Fixed?
What Kevin Drum is trying to do is what many Obama supporters are trying to do; to use a Palinism, they’re trying to put lipstick on a pig. Has this president gotten somthings done, yes. The question is, and should always be, are the policies enacted good policy that will have a positive impact for the American people, and the nation as a whole. He’s not some damned gigolo, who gets notches on his belt for each conquest he makes, he’s the President of the US, whose job is not to get wins, but to make good policy and improve the lives of the citizens of this nation. While the policies Obama pursued and passed have some good things, the end result is big banks too big to fail; a health care system still in control of corrupt insurance companies, big pharma, and medical product manufacturers; continuing wars; an inept stimulus; an still sinking economy; and Bush national security policies still in place; .
This president has worked to restore the structure in place before the crash of 2007-08. The very system that failed this country. This system is largely in place today, with very little change, and with a banking system more concentrated and with more power. I’d say all President Obama did was to put Humpty Dumpty back together, but didn’t move him off the wall and out of danger of falling over again and breaking apart. That’s not leadership, that’s mediocrity. A real leader would’ve come in and looked at the carnage, surveyed the damage, figured out what happened, and deconstructed and reconstructed the system to insure nothing like this happened again.
This president chooses the path of least resistance 95% of the time, that’s not leadership, that’s doing just enough to get by. That’s not trying to be the best at what you do, that’s doing enough to make sure you don’t get fired.
What does that mean (CPI) Can some one explain that to me???
Thank you. V. well said.