Regarding Putin’s comments: We are not “living beyond our means,” we are not taxing what we should. During Clinton’s time as president, unemployment dropped to 3.9% and the government ran surpluses the last three years. The debt could have been driven down further–or tax rates on the middle class lessened–if military spending were cut further to a reasonable rate. Instead, the GWB administration followed Reagan’s destructive practice of driving up military spending while irresponsibly cutting taxes.
MMT’er Michael Hudson t/b on Democracy Now
1) Life is a shit sandwich: The more bread you got, the less shit you gotta eat. At least they didn’t add a get out of jail card for the banksters.
2)And a significant number of those whould have voted “yes” if their vote was needed”. Hypocrites.
3) They won’t be yawning when that deal hits the economy.
4) Growing up in the 1970′s, reading of a Russian lecturing America on capitolism is weird. Especially when the Russian is closer to correct than our congress.
5) Very poor choice of words, but her point is correct: IMO Obama is toxic and contageous.
Boxturtle (It should be relatively easy to criticize Obama without using racially charged phrases)
Good morning CBL. You are up early.
Good morning pups, BT. Thanks for the swim, BT.
you have text
Cheers, All….Local spot here with update on Perry’s looking more & more like he will run; ads already in Iowa; has to get thru the Prayer day, etc. He’ll like the big stage….
So, how do you rate his chances?
Haven’t we had enough of crazy Texans?
Still, given the dems votes yesterday, we should at least listen to what he has to say.
Boxturtle (*BARF* Ignore that last suggestion)
I have no idea…He’s often under-estimated. I understand what has driven him, in part, is the weakness of the field. Is the country ready for another R-TX? Too weird. You have any ideas? Coverage is that his wife was definitely in favor, as a “call” at this time.
There’s a large segment of the population that will support anyone who isn’t Obama. That segment is getting larger every day.
Perry is a good talker, with a decent TV image and good handlers. And he’s not a Morman. He’ll run as an anti-taxer and downplay his social positions if he wins the GOP nomination.
If the election were held today, Obama would beat him. But Obama’s star is falling (fallen?) and Perry is rising. Who knows in a year?
Boxturtle (One of the few people who could inspire me to vote for Obama)
Yep, I love your conclusion….Shades of Molly Ivins, I think.
Mornin’, BT, pups
FL Gov (P)rick Scott sez Perry’s gonna run now that he has his wife’s approval. Perry is Scott’s role model.
Scott is embarking on a program of working everyday jobs a la former Gov Graham in the late 70s. He’s gonna work at jobs he worked as a kid and young man. Graham was well liked and folks had a lot of fun when he showed up. We’ll have to see what kind of reception Scott gets. A donut shop in Tampa next Wednesday is his first stop.
And he’s not a Morman.
Morning BT & Firepups:
I can haz shit sandwich?
Re: your (2) above. I agree! It would be interesting to see the sequence of who voted when, and at what interim totals where each mini “tranche” of votes was cast.
The logistics of this are not new, still it would be fun to watch the stressed out perpetrator behind the screen sending breathless IMs to the captive peons.
It’s almost as if there had been a sequenced roster of pending Dem votes watching and waiting to be metered out, then tapped (or happily not), at various points along the way. They would be taller-tapped by risk, of course.
Yet how far into the discomfort area did any of them have to navigate? One would think the most at risk (hence servile) peons would be been saved for last, and used only if there were no other recourse. It seemed to require a repugnant sort of loyalty, and constituents were the last in line for consideration.
None of them deserves any credit or criticism for their vote, since it’s just a numbers game, and none of us knows how the individuals viewed the merits. But every incumbent should be voted out nonetheless. I think the Dems need their own cranky Tea Party, but with a progressive cast of course.
What I read is that the big money are supporting him, because they don’t think Romney can beat Obama in the clutch. Perry can walk away with the election. He’s unknown, has Reagan’s hair, and as an outsider can say he is going to fix the mess in Washington. His fundie roots combined with low turn-out from Blacks, unemployment, poor and progressives would put him over the top in PA and OH, and that’s really all he needs, since Florida is in the bag. He is as close to a sure thing as you can see out there.
Would love Patch’s take on the PC press conference yesterday. There was some interesting body language.
Scott is embarking on a program of working everyday jobs a la former Gov Graham in the late 70s.
Could be very effective against Obama who has shown a disregard for folks who had jobs like those but who are now unemployed.
Take a nice cruise around the world…
would be interesting to see the sequence of who voted when
That’s what I’d like to see. I’d like to know who voted, and how, before the threshold was reached and who voted, and how, after.
I tend to agree with this assessment — especially with the right running mate.
Scott is trying a lot of things to get out from behind the image of the guy who ripped off Medicare and Medicaid for billions of dollars. He’s now on AM radio pimpin’ his shit. He is not liked in FL; it’s hard to find a Regressive who will admit to voting for him.
Are there any provisions for recalling a governor in Florida? Scott is one sleazebag MF. Just seeing the dude on the TV Box makes me want to sign up for some heavy delousing…
Not yet. I’ve heard rumours of an initiative to amend the state Constitution but that’s all it is, rumours.
Message from the WH, STFU and eat your sandwich.
A Perry or a Bachman will “motivate” Dems to get out the vote. Romney will not be as threatening and discouraged, disenchanted, disheartened Dems may well stay home. Obama is more worried about Romney and is hoping for a Perry or Bachman opponent.
Morning Joke hammering Romney.
Perry is from Texas. I made a comment in a restaurant last week here in Ohio and many overheard me. I said, “Please, don’t let Perry run. One Tx gov turned US President was too much. I have had enough of Texas style leadership.”
Many agreed with me.
I remember when big money was behind Giuliani.
I see how this is being spun now. Because it is only slightly contractionary in the first year that somehow means that Obama outmaneuvered the Republicans. I say that is totally false. The whole idea that the frame has been moved from stimulating the economy to create jobs into having anti-stimulus is a pretty big swing…which isn’t justified by the very high unemployment and a sputtering economy. If Democrats start owning this anti-stimulus frame, they’ll own the continued weak economy even more than they already do now.
Let’s start a pool to see when unemployment reaches double figures. Any guesses?
I hope you’re right about this. The last person I would want to see as President (short of Cheney or David Addington) is Rick Perry.
And there was quite a bit of talk/coverage about needing the chunk on big money to complete the picture and decision; then he got it. Seems the pieces have come together, plus apparently urges from his wife all along. He got his start as Ag Commissioner, so he has been in the game for a long time.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
US KIA Afghanistan: 1,683
US KIA Irak: 4,474
Iraki, Afghan and Pakistani casualties: estimates vary to over 1.5M
US MBS 2011: 26,412 and counting
No war but class war.
Never. Give. Up.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
A late Good Morning to BT, and All FDLers
I’m kind of isolated in who I talk to these days. Folks at FDL have a fairly similar take on most of the discussion about government. When I’m volunteering at the shelter, I’m usually just working and I have just a few conversations about issues.
I’m taking my mom to a Neighborhood Watch barbeque/potluck tonight at her community park. It’ll be very interesting to hear what the “folks” have to say. It’s a mostly blue collar worker part of town. I’ll report back.
Exactly. They are gaming the votes as a group. They should be all held accountable for the voting as a group. It’s *only* fair.
I will never vote for any D again. I don’t care about individual votes anymore. The individual votes are meaningless.
Looking forward to hearing back, demi!
You know what else is meaningless? Making telephone calls and signing petitions. Nothing more than a real world exercise in the myth of Sisyphus. The “left” has to rethink it’s tactics and strategy which up to this point has been nothing less than impotent.
Hey, Dem…been missing you…hope all is well. Yep, will be interesting to hear what you hear. In my work, we just never discuss politics with clients, but I do teach looking out for others in my separate sunday ministry. Friends, even Rs, all are pretty disgusted with the whole show; hard to believe in much when you can’t believe in any honest people. Very disappointing.
Everything here is goodie good. I’m just not spending much time on line. It must mean I’m keeping myself busy. :)
Sounds like a plan; there were times I had OD’d over the weekend. Nuts….Loved Caturday as the sweet spot; so does Angela. ;)
This blowhard could have done his readers a better service by explaining what neoliberalism is and how Obama has long been an adherent to its goals. As it is his post is just another knee-jerk rant.
he feels hamstrung ,like the rest of us,i spose
I’ve never liked Silber’s writings. WATB.
I doubt anything Arthur Silber says will be accepted by those that backed Obama over Hillary and demanded there be no vote count at the convention.
I didn’t like Silber long before Hillary-Obama.
As I said at the time, in the general I’d vote for whoever got the nomination and that would be a vote for the evil of two lessers. I don’t like neoliberals, period.
Saturday, September 20th, 2014 2:00 pm PacificCarbon Shock: A Tale of Risk and Calculus on the Front Lines of a Disrupted Global EconomyChat with Mark Schaprio about his new book. Hosted by Steve Horn.
Sign up to receive Firedoglake's headlines by email: