Update: Looks like negotiations are deadlocked. Boehner says “I and my Republican colleagues in the House are prepared to move on our own.”
Update II: Reid working on his own counter-proposal to Boehner.
John Boehner has scheduled a 4:30 conference call with Republicans, presumably to announce a deal on the debt ceiling. As Dday says, “it appears that Boehner’s gambit is to call President Obama’s bluff on a short-term debt limit increase.”
As far as “bigger picture goes,” this is my understanding of what is happening:
1) Senate Democrats hoped Obama would join with them to wedge the House Republicans by supporting Gang of 6. Instead he endorsed the plan but didn’t whip, as he was already in talks with Boehner to join with House Republicans to wedge Senate Democrats. At least that’s how the Senate Democrats took it. Their rage at being excluded/wedged forced Obama to go back to Boehner and ask for $400 billion more in revenue, which blew up the first deal. Nancy Pelosi has up until now been superfluous to any deal, because they assumed she will bring enough Democrats to compensate for any Republicans that Boehner loses regardless of what they decide, and it flatters Boehner and Cantor to exclude her. But she joined today’s talks.
2) The reason Obama wants bigger deficit cut ($4 trillion) is because they figure $2.5 trillion will be needed to get us through the 2012 election. He most emphatically does not want to have to take personal responsibility for raising the debt ceiling, but if he has to, he only wants to do it once. But in order to get to $4 trillion, he needs new revenues.
3) Boehner luckily has the “no new tax” mantra to hide behind in his otherwise incoherent insistence that the deficit reduction be smaller than Obama wants, and authorizing less than $2 trillion means they’ll have to revisit the issue again before the election — and as Mitch McConnell stated, the goal of Republicans in this debate is to politically damage Obama for 2012 (and insulate Republicans for their vote to cut Medicare). So Boehner wants to make sure that they have to revisit the issue before the election.
4) Standard and Poors jumped in on Obama’s side, saying they want a $4 trillion reduction or they shoot the baby downgrade the US debt rating. Shrewd analysis or overtly policial market manipulation? You decide.
5) Obama has Standard and Poors, but Boehner has the Asian markets to use as the bogeyman.
6) Ryan Grim lets us know that no matter what happens, we’re probably looking at a “Super Congress” – Catfood Commission II, whose recommendations on things like Social Security and Medicare would be fast-tracked to the floor of each chamber for an up-or-down vote, with no possibility of amendment.
7) Yves Smith has this rather chilling quote from John Rykamp regarding “enabling acts” like the one being contemplated for the Super Congress. He used the German Greek bailout legislation, Paulson’s 2008 draft legislation, and Hitler’s 1933 enabling act as case studies:
The enabling act changes the nature of the political system which puts it into effect, which is why such political systems are said to have “committed suicide” by passing enabling acts. It is important to keep this in mind, because, on their face, enabling acts seem often only amend the previous political system; the political system remains, and indeed enabling acts make much of the supposed preservation of the existing political system. They also make much of dealing only with specific problems over a specified period. But various traps, sprung along the way to enforcement, lead to unitary power and the discarding of government. People wonder how a simple remedy led to such profound dislocation.
Yves concludes: “The Tea Partiers make a fetish of invoking the Constitution when it suits them but will happily run roughshod over it when it conflicts with their pet wishes. Not that they are singularly guilty in this conspiracy against the public-at-large, but their faux holier-than-thou/populist pretense while aligning themselves with an elite power grab is particularly nausea-inducing.”
Ditto that.




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Jane, Are you making any predictions? Is it also true that the Rs will do anything to taint Ob in preference to finding a plan that could make some sense…in this phony struggle?
OK.
I’ve decided it was complete bullshit political market manipulation.
And that’s being nice.
After careful and thoughtful consideration I concur with you OFG.
I’m wondering the same thing. I still can’t imagine the Wall Street benefactors letting this suicide mission go forward. What’s their end game? Shorting a pile of investments that are likely to go south under this scenario? Buncha criminals…
Alan Grayson has a petition going at: No-cuts.com. He intends to personally deliver it to the White House.
Do the words “Standard and Poors” and “shrewd analysis” belong in the same sentence?
(well, unless “shrewd” is understood to encompass incompetent and overtly political)
McConnell and I now seem to have the same goal. So Obama doen’t want to take personal responsibility? I think Mr. Obama needs to take the entire responsibility for what appears to be a War on Social Security and Medicare which will continue under the House of Catfood which seems to be designed to set up a government that looks a lot like the court in Alice in Wonderland.
And we’re going to vote to reelect him, why? Unemployment up Social Security down, war with out end. And the reason we vote for this is what?
This deficit fight and debt limit are just tools for the right extreme to take control down size government and deregulate our cororate polluters. This is not the end game but the vehicle for ending any kind of social programs and making serfs of us.
They took the media with the help of McCain’s Communications committee. They took the fair elections with the Supreme Court Citizens United. This is a step towards a larger goal and we lose either way as they have demonstrated power beyond any traditionaal politic. 1/3 of the population will be impoverished to allow the continued transfer of wealth. As wealth is power.
The comparison with Hitler tactics is appropriate as right wingers use a no holds barred aproach like choking eye goughing and testicle crushing.
Here’s what I don’t get – Obama puts cuts to SS, Medicare and Medicad on the table.
How much has SS contributed to the debt? Not one plugged nickel.
How much has Medicare and Medicaid contributed to the debt? Well, these are growing, but that’s because these are linked to private healthcare which is growing even faster.
What’s Obama’s crown jewel legislative achievement? Healthcare reform.
So Obama’s “grand bargain” for debt reduction are based on a flat out lie and a tact admission that his healthcare reform is a corporate handout. All without touching the real problems – Bush tax cuts for the rich, unfunded losing wars on a military budget bloated beyond belief, all after spending tens of trillions to prop up corrupt TBTF banks (which resulted in fake financial reform) which imploded the economy and caused this mess.
And how much does this have to do with a voice vote to raise the debt limit? A big fat nothing.
The American public is getting screwed.
Ah, Tic Talk was it, OFG, by the bloodsuckers, those lesser and greater weevils, themselves … for their own benefit and that of thieer masters, and at the cost of everyone else’s?
And Jane, you pose such difficult questions, sometimes …really.
;~DW
I’m a tea party sympathizer, if not a card-carrying member. I don’t see the Tea Party GOP Frosh going along with this. It’s an obvious power grab that I’m *guessing* they won’t support. Wasn’t there a vote on Libya that was similar to this where we had the Tea Party join with Kucinich to avert the Executive power grab?
I’m not convinced this super congress idea will fly. Also, you’ll have the likes of Ron Paul vehemently opposing it. So it becomes an instant GOP primary issue.
If Rs see this as an increase in Obama’s power, I don’t see Republicans supporting it. So I’m hopeful this will still die… it’s downright scary IMO.
If Standard and Poor says the sky is yellow does everyone have to go with that? Could we not get a second opinion from say…the game show the price is right.
Who is going to play the sovereignty card regards the rating agencies? I mean who the hell is actually sovereign when the same outfits that were in cahoots with the financial ‘industry’ regards mortgages dictate what the government does?
When Obama says his lawyers don’t think they would prevail in a court case, he’s really saying Timmy doesn’t like the idea. If Bush can find lawyers who provide ‘cover’ for torture, why can’t Obama find lawyers to provide him cover for the 14th amendment?
Besides, once it’s done, it’s done and all a defeat in court would do is restrict a Presidency AFTER the fact of the debt ceiling being raised. AND ,in fighting the court case, the constitutionality of the debt ceiling legislation could be called into question.
Thanks for the quite from John Rykamp; time for the phones/email/etc. come Monday morning.
As scary as all this is, in a way it is fascinating to watch — it is the biggest game of chicken I have ever seen! Boehner and the right are trying to protect the Bush tax cuts, and stand on the principle of cutting spending. Although Obama is trying to avoid having to deal with this issue again before the election, if he stands tough the Repugs will be more negatively perceived by the public.
This is sure making my rectum pucker up, though!!
“The Tea Partiers make a fetish of invoking the Constitution when it suits them but will happily run roughshod over it when it conflicts with their pet wishes. Not that they are singularly guilty in this conspiracy against the public-at-large, but their faux holier-than-thou/populist pretense while aligning themselves with an elite power grab is particularly nausea-inducing.”
Tea-Party people are like the average confederate soldier in the Civil War. Willing to die for the plantation owner base on a pack of lies.
GlenJo, a nation willing to go to war based on a lie, is certainly willing and able to be lied to again, and again … as long as it pats itself on the head and thinks “how exceptional”.
DW
On the flip side, how is this different from the NAFTA fast track or deficit commission? This is the problem with the slippery slope. We already have both feet on the sheet of ice… trying to claw our way back up with our finger nails may be impossible…
Another thing the debt discussion accomplishes …. it hogs the media when we should be addressing the war issues, unemployment, the economy and more.
This is like the current generation’s Cuban Missile Crisis. [I lived through it, so I remember the anxiety.]
Except this time, both sets of missiles are aimed at ourselves.
First they saved the banks, but the Republicans said, “Noooo”.
Then they saved the car companies and AIG and the Republicans said, “Nooo”.
Then they saved the New Start Treaty and the Republicans said, “If we have to.”
Then they saved the entire economy and the Republicans said, “Hell No.”
Now they’re trying to save the American government and the Republicans are still saying, “We’re not sure this is good for us politically.”
When they come to save your freedom to be gay publicly will the Republicans help you?
When they come to save your home mortgage will the Republicans laugh openly?
Who will stand with the Republicans when they come to save your retirement funds, your Social Security, your Medicare, your Medicaid, your world?
I agree with your observation… In fact, I would venture to say that our obsession with the stock market’s ups and downs and the overall economy has just gotten crazy. Yes, we need an economy and we all need a way to live. Unfortunately, it seems to me that the Bush tax cuts and global economy are simply a means for investors to go overseas — and to hell with the United States! There is a LOT of our economy that has been sucked out of the country and shipped overseas.
Republicans, Democrats, TeaPartiers? I don’t care… It is time to take them ALL down in the next election.
Thanks Jane. I had completely missed that Barry was trying to screw Senate Dems. Likewise I had no clue that Boehner was using the Asian Markets and Barry was using Standard and Poors.
I find references to 1933 and the collapse of the Weimar Republic very apt.
Jane, do you think there’s any Dem Senator out there — one who’s not up for re-election in 2012 so he/she can’t be blackmailed by Obama/DNC threats to withhold funds — that would be willing to stand up and say “no”?
“No” to Catfood II/”Super Congress.”
“No” to the lie that “fixing” social security has ANY effect on the deficit.
“No” to the lie that these drastic, suicidal measures are the only approach.
“No” to the idea that Obama can’t deal with the “deficit ceiling” like Reagan, Bush & Clinton did before him.
There’s got to be SOMEONE out there [is Whitehouse up?] who sees this for the insane threat to our country that it is, and who’s willing to put him/herself in front of the tank in Tienamen Square.
This person might also note that “defense” — i.e., “where the money is” — is off the table. Why?
“Super Congress” is my new favorite thing.
Please let us know if there are any other extraordinary new powers we can grant you with which to more efficiently rob Social Security.
It could be that a certain part of your anatomy is bracing itself for some inevitable (so the Wisdoms would have it) um … experience?
Things are going to become more “interesting”, even with no butts about it.
Some wags have even suggested that that the Wisdoms are perfect, elite representations of the very same portion of the body poli-tic.
A massive case of Montezuma’s Revenge might move things along.
Or, as a doctor once said, when a wee patient of his swallowed a marble, “This, too, shall pass.”
;~DW
Precisely!
In all these talks and political grandstanding, all three sides are forgetting something very important — if things crater, NOBODY is going to be able to buy much of anything! It will not matter!
I am wondering precisely how many people are in the same boat that I am… I got laid off from my long-term job two and a half years ago. I finally had to spend much of my retirement in order to get by before I finally went back to work a year ago. My credit is shot and I need to by dependable wheels for work… I cannot sell my house. Even if I could, I owe more on it than what I could sell it for.
Something tells me that even if they DO make some kind of an agreement, it is too late!
Someone more mercenary would have saved these scoops for the Webinar tonite at 7ET.
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If Rick Perry were President (which he will almost certainly be in 2013)and the same issue came up, the Tea-Party contingent would support it in a New York minute.
This is more shock doctrine being applied by conservative right wingers. Destabilise and take what is left.
Ha! AGree!!
No kidding. It’s got that “degenerate gambler watching the roulette wheel spin with a hundred thousand riding at 3 in the morning” quality.
Gotta disagree with you there. They want to politically bloody Obama for 2012, pure and simple. And they frankly have the upper hand, if only because they can present the President with a short-term extension and give him the choice to sign it or no. If only because the House is an earlier step in the process.
Assuming Boehner has the votes (not certain he does without Pelosi bringing along some Dems), it puts the Senate on the hot seat. Reid can also file cloture on Reid-McConnell and try to work it the other way too. Then we get to see where McConnell and Boehner stand vis-a-vis each other.
McConnell becomes the wild card. As NBC notes, “What’s not clear is where Mitch McConnell stands in all of this. He is laying low.”
No shit.
Several news orgs are headlining,”Boehner says Republicans prepared to act alone.” Which Constitutional provision that allows the Congress to adopt legislation without Senate concurrence or the President’s are they assuming? #mindlessmedia
I live in Texas, and I am SO tired of Rick Perry… It would be a shame to foist him off on the nation as a “fresh face.” I do not believe he has the stroke to be a good president!
Ah, you are putting the “Naughty and Nice List” together, Mauimom?
The “Nice” side of the list, appears very short …
almost nonexistent …
How soon will this reality be “forgotten”, do you suppose?
DW
Base closing, NAFTA — they all suck. We already have way too few representatives per capita. Cutting the number down to a fraction of that and giving them the power to bypass normal Congressional procedure is outrageously undemocratic.
The old “you will let me walk out of here or I shoot the n_gg_r” said by black actor Cleavon Little playing “Bart” in 1974′s Blazing Saddles
[the Johnsons load their guns and point them at Bart. Bart then points his own pistol at his head]
Bart: [low voice] Hold it! Next man makes a move, the nigger gets it!
Olson Johnson: Hold it, men. He’s not bluffing.
Dr. Sam Johnson: Listen to him, men. He’s just crazy enough to do it!
Bart: [low voice] Drop it! Or I swear I’ll blow this nigger’s head all over this town!
Bart: [high-pitched voice] Oh, lo’dy, lo’d, he’s desp’it! Do what he sayyyy, do what he sayyyy!
[Townspeople drop their guns. Bart jams the gun into his neck and drags himself through the crowd towards the station]
Harriet Johnson: Isn’t anybody going to help that poor man?
Dr. Sam Johnson: Hush, Harriet! That’s a sure way to get him killed!
Bart: [high-pitched voice] Oooh! He’p me, he’p me! Somebody he’p me! He’p me! He’p me! He’p me!
Bart: [low voice] Shut up!
[Bart places his hand over his own mouth, then drags himself through the door into his office]
Bart: Ooh, baby, you are so talented!
[looks into the camera]
Bart: And they are so *dumb*!
I guess the black fellow in the White House is once again proving we are “so dumb”
Mitch McConnell you have won! enough already Obama is not getting re-elected in 2012.
Now we all get to witness how many Dems Obama take down with him.
OBAMA is becoming very radioactive.
Smart Dems; if any exist, would start distancing themselves from OBAMA ASAP.
How can any Dem answer these questions,
Hello Dem congress person, do you believe like OBAMA cutting taxes for the Rich, and cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade for the poor is a way to Win The Future? yes or no
the question above will come from Liberals and Conservatives, good luck
I saw the radical left yesterday, and FDL is not it. A liberal and a person who likes OBAMA almost came to blows yesterday. In some Dems circles you can’t even mention the name OBAMA without someone head exploding. not good, when these people control MILLION of Dem votes
Obama has woke up the sleeping giant, BABY BOOMERS want answers? Why did certain political leaders tell them to vote for OBAMA? Why? Obama was not their favorite! “some liberal baby boomers hate OBAMA more than the tea party crowd does”
Dem congress people will now be confronted with the largest voting block in the USA yelling and screaming at them. baby boomers thought they were doing OBAMA a favor, they did not expect to get shitted on by OBAMA.
Good luck with this group current Dems. Most know this whole crisis is a sham! and they are beyond piss!
Obama needs to stay away from this group at all cost.
head will be rolling at the AARP, soon. AARP executives better get their resumes ready. I now know why the AARP backed off their national tour about how cutting social security was good. Way too dangerous! for LOL
NASA laying off 9000
CISCO laying off 10,000
Borders laying off 9000
massive state lay offs
what recovery? OBAMA? ” this sounds like a super depression on the way
Really? Really? the idiots in DC, think Catfood 2 is a great idea? who are you trying to fool? you are going to give large DEM voting blocks time to punish DEMS in congress for thinking up this idea?
Follow Obama to the slaughter house if you wish Dems. 6 months of hell, coming your way. I have my pop corn ready! this is going to be hilarious. I hope Nancy and Harry have running shoes, they are going to need them.
Like one real liberal dem, said yesterday, there is big difference between radical liberals and tea party morons! thus word the MORONS!
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, trying to save the Titantic OBAMA, good luck! the OBAMA titantic is going to sink real fast, and result in a lot of political careers ending quickly.
No Dem is safe, even Black dems are a little nervous, 40% un-employment in their communities and OBAMA ignoring them all the time is causing them a lot of heart burn. One black political congress person said, OBAMA may gets us all wipe out.
I told him did he think a shit storm would come from the black community, he said no, it is going to be a NUCLEAR STORM of bibilical proportions directed at OBAMA and MICHELLE! He said Cornel West is not the only OBAMA person calling OBAMA out, more are coming to fore front.
The most famous words in the year 2012
may be “that Jane Hamsher lady was right about evil OBAMA!”
Sarah Palin and/or Michelle Bachmann. Romney, etc.
What is necessary is to throw this crappy two party system in the trash bin where it belongs and put together a multi-party parliamentary system like nearly everyone else has. Even the wost of these functions better that the current one here.
Oh, I don’t disagree at all about the political aspects… It is just that long-term, there is something so sacrosanct to them about preserving those cuts “to create jobs.” I doubt seriously that any of them have helped to create jobs. Instead, I suspect that whatever money was saved through tax cuts has been invested overseas.
Have not been on here in a long while and it is nice to be back in the fray!!
Right, and, as well, it is a cynical end-run around any third party the people might build to challenge the staus quo.
A Super Congress, by its very nature, seeks endless and infinitely aligned Bi-partisan control …
DW
Wow, we lose either way. Either we get Boehner’s $1 trillion cuts with a short extension or we get Reid’s larger cuts with no tax increases, but the next vote will be extended until 2013.
Oh hell no. The Senate Dems all got their feathers ruffled when they saw that they were the ones being squeezed. They were all loving that Gang of 6 deal, and thought it was profoundly Solomonic in its wisdom. It also included the prototype version of the Super Congress committee, but theirs was comprised only of Senators. It was an incredible power grab from the House. There was no way Boehner was going to go for it.
I doubt many House Dems would have gone for it either quite frankly — leadership would have to be the enforcer, and they are the ones with the committee authority. If they give up the power they have in committees, they lose their ability to extract campaign donations from big corporate lobbying interests. It’s the one thing they will actually fight to protect.
Good to see you!
@ markknoller : WH official confirms Pres Obama will meet with Maj Ldr Reid and Min Ldr Pelosi at 6pm.
Ditto. Isn’t there anyone who is looking out for what is in the best interest of the country? When they say “the American People want……, or sent us to Washington to……” what American people are they referring to? The top 1-2%? They certainly are not referring to me or anyone I know.
This whole focus on the “scary, scary deficit,” while the country burns in so many other ways, prompts a parable:
Just a dark version of the “shiny object.”
I don’t see the BI part just partisan.
I’ll take your word for it.
I was just hoping that there was one ethical person out there who’d be willing to relinquish his/her Congressional perch for the good of the country.
Is there a point at which ANY of these ass-clowns [Dem Senators] realize that Obama is toxic for them, even it they’re not willing to care for the country?
sounds like Harry Reid is running for the hills.
Harry is looking for the exit.
Harry Reid and Nancy don’t like the idea of House GOP and House Dem being on Catfood 2.
that would end in utter chaos, for LOL
Boehner is playing chess, Obama is playing checkers
sounds like a firing squad
DW, is this end run prompted by rumblings of third party candidates, or would this have happened anyway?
victoria
Very interesting
Arianna On ‘This Week’: Artificial Crisis Distracting From Real Problems
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/post_2232_b_907984.html
Arianna comments are very interesting.
Obama better keep the knee pads on, because he will soon be under bus again.
yes it does
Sound like Harry may be going off the plantation, and Obama wants to call him back.
Senate Dems may not have much love for OBAMA right now.
I think it the direct result of obviously increasing popular unrest and discussions such as have taken place at FDL, OmAli.
DW
I was hoping you would say there were at least a handful of Senate Dems who would jump up & scream “No!” The notion that not a single one can be counted on turns us into mere spectators.
I really loved your items 4 and 5 in the tick-tock: Boehner wants to use “Asian markets” to terrorize Obama, Obama wants to use “S&P downgrade for all U.S. debt” to terrorize Boehner.
Meanwhile, as of 5 pm EDT, Bloomberg shows zero activity on any “Asian market” except “Bangladesh.”
It’s probably the same article that authorizes that ‘supercommittee’ (AKA ‘politburo’: it’s only visible to wingnuts and Blue Dogs.
Gov Goodhair would be another disaster, and I think we’ve had enough disasters already this century.
I agree, homeroid, but that is because what appears to many to be two parties, in fact, is just one, the party of unrestrained greed and unlimited power.
Said “party” is about neoliberalism, economically and a unitary presidency, politically, which BOTH parties, hah!, have sought since BEFORE WWII.
DW
All the more reason to push back, hard.
You are multi-tasking :)
If the credit ratings agency Standard & Poor’s continues with “threats” of downgrading the U.S. debt rating, or actually does downgrade their U.S. debt rating, (assuming those in the marketplace still give them any credibility), and the result is a major downturn in our economy, will they be allowed to simply state before Congress that they are only providing an “opinion”?
Fox Noise Per Boehner: “No plan today; hope to announce a plan tomorrow.”
No, that’s when they get told they have to screw the American people for the “good” of the country (Wall St. i.e. “the super rich”) because Obama is finally figuring out that the House and Senate Dems are going to have to dump Obama to survive in 2012 and he needs their votes.
This act has more in common with the king demanding his duke and duchess kiss the king’s ring and swear fealty than it does having anything to do with the Senate and the House representing the needs of the American people.
They’re both playing chess, with the same color pieces (green) under guidance of the same master (the wealthy). Their goal is to get rid of the few red pawns left (the poor, sick, working class, unemployed) quicker than the other to please the master.
Purposely avoided using the usual colors to not be accused of racism (“Why did you say Obama’s pieces were white/black???”) Anyway, green = money if the color is to symbolize anything.
“What is necessary is to throw this crappy two party system in the trash bin where it belongs and put together a multi-party parliamentary system like nearly everyone else has. Even the wost of these functions better that the current one here.”
Second that… makes it more representative and harder to co-opt.
Kneepads all around. Sheesh.
Touch the third rail and die!
Well, this is all Obama’s master plan. Whatever happens in the end, it’s what he had always planned and it is the only and best option. GOBAMA!!! /DKos
Echoing Rykamp’s warning, one freshman Senator put it very well on the Senate floor last Thursday:
That’s someone (Senator Lee) who’s speaking (if not yet acting) as a democrat, rather than as an aristocrat, though he belongs to the “Republican” Party, and perhaps even to the widely-demonized “Tea-GOP” subset of that Party.
Of course, Aristocrats Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, and Nancy Pelosi no doubt consider allowing twelve whole elected Members of Congress to follow in their private wheeling-and-dealing footprints to be a generous expansion of the top-down, closed-door White House huddles and Gangs of Six, for which their child-like Congressional charges ought to be grateful. Never mind how these Party-run schemes deliberately avoid the tried-and-true democratic machinery of the House and Senate, and continue to imperiously overturn the balance of power that the American people created with their votes last November.
We can see clear evidence of similar handiwork by the Aristocrats of both Parties in the undemocratic provisions of the “trade agreements” being promoted by the President and Congress on behalf of Global Corporate, as this explanation by Senator Casey, regarding the pending South Korea “free” trade agreement, details:
“the result is a major downturn in our economy, will they be allowed to simply state before Congress that they are only providing an ‘opinion’?”
Why shouldn’t they be able to? Silencing people for economic reasons seems pretty dangerous.
I like it.
I’m not sure the extreme right is going to be any happier about this than we are. This is the oligarchy beginning to advance into the light of day and openly exercise power.
I agree with you
However, Obama winning brought another devil to DC.
Goldman Sachs does not understand or see the other Devil.
Boehner and Obama deal was suppose to go thru congress with ease, this is what Goldman thought. they were wrong
the other Devil, will let it all burn, he is very ruthless also
the politics of Race changes everything.
Race base politics makes people do the irrational.
and race base politics does not just dwell on the right, it dwells on the left.
Wall Street’s god is money, this is not everyone’s god.
Some of the hate toward Obama has nothing to do with race, he is just a shitty politician for LOL, the problem is some of it does.
the GOP always plays with both devils, the problem is they have let both devils into congress! the wall street devil, and the race devil
the race devil is a problem for everyone
both like to win!
any Dem Senator, Dem House Member, Gop Senator, Gop house member that dances with OBAMA will feel the wrath of the race Devil.
watch and see.
this bad economy feeds the Devil of race.
GoldMan Sachs and the wall street garbage is getting what they deserve. One should not play with Devils
There may be hope.
#fuckyouwashington seems to have gone viral.
http://trendsmap.com/topic/%23fuckyouwashington
Yeah, but it’s dominated by partisans (my party/team rules, it’s the other party’s fault). A growing chunk of comments are from people on the right screaming at Democrats specifically. I think it would have helped if the hash tag was a bit more specific. #donttouchmysocialservices #fuckcorruptpoliticians #fuckausterity
post
What I’m seeing on trendmap is less partisan and more “us versus them”.
The hashtag took a life of its own and evolved. It was not meant to become a trend.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-jarvis/anti-washington-sentiment-_b_908117.html
The insanity of self created crisis management.
Reptilicans refuse to do anything in 2010 to create an atmosphere where a real budget discussion will be able to occur. In 2011, they block and block and block some more. Obama keeps up his fantasy that if you take two points, and divide them by two, what’s in the middle is fair to everyone, even if one side’s position was somewhere beyond Mars.
Now we’re at the point where the fecal matter is behind the oscillating fan, and everyone is still trying to make it look like the shit will be coming from the other guy. The people who are about to be hit no longer care who’s shoving it into the fan, we’re tired of it.
At the last moment, crisis management kicks in. “We’ve got to find a solution”. Well, my experience in the corporate world is that decisions made under crisis management usually throw the baby out with the bathwater. But the people in charge are always happy. Those who aren’t are labeled “malcontents” and put on the next layoff list.
Go figure.
“The insanity of self created crisis management.
Reptilicans refuse to do anything in 2010 to create an atmosphere where a real budget discussion will be able to occur.”
Yeah, the Democrats could have gotten this taken care of after 2008, but instead they wanted to spend the bulk of their time fighting for their corporate lobbyists and making backroom deals while forcing us to buy corporate products of dubious quality. Democrats have yet to explain how come nationalizing Romneycare was more important than this – did they not have their priorities straight or are they lying about this actually being a crisis (not to say that these two have to be mutually exclusive)? If the Democrats were going to spend over a year fighting over something, why did they choose their fight to be for the corporate lobbyists rather than the recipients of Social Security and Medicare?
great post
will share with others!
Clearly the Globalist are trying to kill the idea of Govt. by people for people.
if you pick 12 people to do the work of the USA govt.
you basically have 12 people running the USA.
i do not think this is what the founders had in mine.
thus difference between corporate govt. and real govt.
trying to run the USA like the board room of Goldman Sachs will not work
When did I vote for one of these twelve? (although I wouldn’t be surprised if DiFi isn’t getting fitted for a crown or laurel wreath)
I don’t remember it. Didn’t read about it in any civics class. Nothing. Which amendment is it? Is this super-central-star-chamber-committee in the missing 13th?
Thanks for the detailed comment powwow
Should we have a little sympathy for Weeping John of the Orange Boner? After all is said and done, for him to take any “leadership” posture means turning his back to Eric, the Richmond Fragger.
I probably won’t be able to get a post up in the immediate future, Jane, but I invite anyone and everyone to use the quotes in my comment, and/or to swipe anything I said there or elsewhere, to write their own diary, or diaries, on the subject (I myself swiped the “aristocrat vs. democrat” theme from the Update to a Glenn Greenwald column in May).
[Thank you, jedimsnbcko19 @ 80 (share away), and you're most welcome, john in sacramento @ 81.]
Ya know, I don’t know how any of the Senators or Reps. can be upset by this. They’ve abdicated their responsibilities to their constituents (I mean average people, not their corporate puppetmasters) for years
And since Robert Bird died, I don’t think a single one of them has even looked at the consitution, much less thought about what it means
What they’re doing now is part of the deliberate process of the collapse of the representative republic of the US. The template was created by the Romans
~ Cicero
They need not be “silenced”, but they should be held accountable for their “opinions” when they effect people on a global scale. At the very least, their future credibility should be lost.
Jane and all: Jane’s article is, as usual, fabulous, and the comments today are excellent as well.
I just wanted to make a point that is very minor in the scheme of things: Yves Smith of the excellent blog Naked Capitalism is a “she,” not a “he.” From the Wikipedia article on Naked Capitalism: “Naked Capitalism is a popular blog published by Yves Smith, a pen name of Susan Webber, the Principal of Aurora Advisors, Inc., a management consulting firm.”
I’m sure this happens to her all the time. Don’t know why she chose a masculine name as a pen name.
How many of us are already in our own kind of default? Unemployed? Bankrupt? Foreclosed and homeless? A million? Two million? Do they even bother to count? The foreclosed people – where do they go? Where are they now? How are they living? Mr Obama and Mr Boehner have not said a mumblin word about them.
Millions of us are in default and have been for years now. Only now that there is some kind of threat of default for them, now do they leap into action. Only now do they put in the effort to work something out, and even now it is only to save themselves, to save their own debt from default and to save their own pyramids of fraud from collapse.
I don’t care what they do. I don’t care what the “market” does. I hope that they will see in the streets of Washington and New York what has already been seen in Greece and Spain and Cairo. I hope the Asian market beats Mr Boehner’s ass.
Agree with Jane @ 76.
More, please, powwow.
DW
Timely and precise quote from Cicero, John.
Reminding me of Robert Graves’ line in his book, “I, Claudius”.
“Had their sole and arbitrary power not been disguised under the forms of ancient liberty they would never have held it long.”
DW
On re-read, I see that “he” might be referring to John Rykamp, and not Yves Smith.
I wish I could disagree, but I can’t. It happened too often with Bush. Regardless, at the moment I don’t see this happening.
I agree 100%. Hated NAFTA when it got pushed through… and despite me being an R, that was when I was initially turned off by (pro-NAFTA) Rush… back during his TV days.
Just saying that we’ve been headed in this unfortunate direction for a while.
I agree with you on the short-term deal offered by Boehner. It’s a winnable argument. So while Reid offering all spending cuts is surprising, you nailed it. Boehner had a credible argument. But if Reid pivots on (war) spending, it could be brilliant… placing blame back on the GOP.
This could be beautiful. If Reid could cut war spending, Boehner may unknowingly have the votes for it… keep in mind the anti-Libya votes… my guess is that (behind closed doors) a majority in each house of Congress wants to end the wars. Positioning the vote here could accidentally make a more significant drawdown happen. Yay!
It would go a long way toward demonstrating how bad a case of Chief Executive Syndrome the Commander-in-Chief has…
Thank you PW. And though I know the Tea Party is not particularly liked around here… Mike Lee, Rand Paul and Demint are (I believe) the only members of the Senate Tea caucus. But this is the reason that I love them… it’s not their fiscal policy views (with which I generally agree)… it’s that they (at least Lee & Paul) are passionate about representing the people to Washington… rather than representing Washington to the people.
Jefferson’s words almost brought a tear to my eye.
I hope Casey stands up for the legislative branch.
Thank you again for sharing Lee’s words.
Powwow, have you ever seen the TV show The Wire? I think it’s the greatest show ever made. It’s about urban life in America and it’s based on Baltimore.
Per wikipedia, when the producer was asked about the meaning of the show, he said “that despite its presentation as a crime drama, the show is “really about the American city, and about how we live together. It’s about how institutions have an effect on individuals. Whether one is a cop, a longshoreman, a drug dealer, a politician, a judge or a lawyer, all are ultimately compromised and must contend with whatever institution they are committed to.”
Based on my town-level experience, I find this analysis completely true. And it’s part of why Lee and Paul (and the House Tea Freshman) are so important in this debate. Presumably, they are not yet compromised. So maybe they’ll be willing to stare down the leadership??
If a default and second Recession finishes off Obama the Right is all for it. The Super rich will bargain hunt in the ruins of whats left of the Middle class’s retirement funds. They’ll take a hit as well, but they can afford to. The rest of us, not so much.
The “Super Congress” is about as competent as Super Grover.
Feckless fuckheads.