As Obama signals that he’s open to cuts in Social Security and Medicare in his negotiations with the hostage-takers of the GOP to raise the debt limit, Obama now appears to accept the odd notion that the debt is the biggest threat to the economy, rather than the jobs crisis driven by . . . well, let’s let Bill McBride of Calculated Risk lay it out:
The main reason employment growth is sluggish is because the U.S. is recovering from a housing and credit bubble, and the subsequent financial crisis. There is still too much excess capacity in most of the economy for a large contribution from new investment (except in equipment and software). We see this excess capacity in housing, and in overall industrial production. There is also excess capacity in office space, retail space, and other categories of commercial real estate. In addition, household debt, as a percent of income, remains very high and household deleveraging is ongoing. That is why so many companies identify their number one problem as “lack of customers”.
Until the excess capacity is absorbed, and household balance sheets are back in order, the recovery will remain sluggish. . . .
But it is very disappointing to hear politicians incorrectly identify the reasons for the sluggish employment growth. From President Obama today: [internal quote omitted here]
I know there are policymakers [like Obama] who think the problem is confidence and deficits. But this is incorrect. Misdiagnosing the causes of weak employment growth will lead to the wrong policies. Oh well … this reminds me of 2005 when I couldn’t get any policymakers to pay attention to the housing bubble. Frustrating.
Click through to read the whole thing, and count Scarecrow among those who share CR’s opinion. Me, too — and I’d say that “frustrating” is an understatement.
But if Obama does make his grand bargain with the GOP, not only will it perpetuate this misdiagnosis and strengthen the wrong policies, it will also endanger his own re-election.
I hope that sentence gets the attention of the WH and Team Obama. They have no fear, apparently, of putting “getting a deal” ahead of “crafting the right policies”. When other people pay the price for such deals, like the health insurance bill’s attack on women seeking to exercise their right to make reproductive choices, Team Obama calls it “shared sacrifice.” But maybe, just maybe, if pursuing these wrong policies endangers their own jobs and not just those of people outside the Beltway, perhaps they will rethink the whole “let’s give in to the hostage takers again” philosophy of governing.
One aspect of the 2012 election calculus that I don’t think Team Obama realizes is that a deal like this will throw away any hope he has of holding onto the Catholic voters that supported him in 2008. Right after the election, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life did a poll that examined how religious affiliation and practice played a role in the choice between McCain and Obama. One very interesting nugget appeared when Pew looked back at the 2000 and 2004 elections and compared Obama’s 2008 ability to reach out to different religious groups with the results of Gore and Kerry. Generally speaking, Obama did better than Gore or Kerry across the board — Obama won the election, after all. But the two groups where Obama showed the most improvement over Kerry were in reaching “unaffiliated” voters (+8%) and Roman Catholics (+7%). The latter came despite significant opposition to his candidacy from more than a few outspoken Catholic bishops, who warned of increased abortions should Obama be elected.
According to Pew, Catholics represented 27% of the voters nationwide. But as this map from Adherents.com shows, that representation is not equally spread around. In states like Wisconsin, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New York, Catholics are between 30 and 50% of the population. In Missouri, Ohio, and Florida, they are between 25 and 30%. (The map is a bit out of date, but the general trend is still accurate.)
Let us pause to consider the electoral importance of those seven states . . .
Catholic laypeople, largely speaking, do not follow the bishops in lockstep when it comes to matters of sexuality or in voting. As Pew noted in a later report on the 2008 election, white Catholics who attend mass every week voted more Republican, while Hispanic and minority Catholics, and those who attend mass less regularly voted more for Obama. Just as there are non-trivial numbers of Catholics get abortions, have sex outside of marriage, and get divorced and remarried — just like non-Catholics — there are Catholics who are quite willing to support candidates whom the bishops often reject over abortion. Their approach to their voting choice is that “There’s more to the Catholic faith than the issue of abortion.”
Caring for the poor and needy comes to mind, for example.
Somewhat amazingly, the USCCB is on record against the intransigence of the GOP when it comes to putting the burdens of deficit reduction solely on the backs of the elderly, the poor, and the immigrants. While the bishops will never like Obama’s health care bill and other abortion-related policies, he has them on his side when it came to the budget. (Well, except of NY’s Archbishop Dolan.)
Back on April 13th, two prominent Roman Catholic bishops wrote to every member of Congress regarding the budget discussions [pdf]: Howard Hubbard, Chair, US Bishops Committee on International Justice and Peace and Stephen Blaire, Chair, Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development. From their letter, and the three criteria by which they offer to “guide difficult budgetary decisions,” the priorities they outline on behalf of the USCCB seem wildly different from those espoused by the GOP:
1. Every budget decision should be assessed by whether it protects or threatens human life and dignity.
2. A central moral measure of any budget proposal is how it affects “the least of these” (Matthew 25). The needs of those who are hungry and homeless, without work or in poverty should come first.
3. Government and other institutions have a shared responsibility to promote the common good of all, especially ordinary workers and families who struggle to live in dignity in difficult economic times.
This language is being used across the country by Catholic bishops, in comments not only on the federal budget but especially on state budgets. For example, in Minnesota, the Catholic bishops joined with their Lutheran counterparts to make a joint statement about the budget insanity:
We expect that, as you seek to balance the budget, you will engage in civil and respectful dialogue rather than partisanship and posturing. We trust that you will seek to govern the people of the state of Minnesota so that all citizens — particularly those who are poor and live on the margins of our communities — have access to housing, education, health care and other human services. We suggest that the most effective means of eliminating poverty resides in policies that lift people out of a safety net to a level of sustainability.
Minnesota has a history of caring for all its citizens, and all of us are heirs of those who shaped that legacy.
Catholics and Lutherans — representing some two million Minnesotans — have partnered in that legacy as the largest providers of health care, human services and non-public education. Being a state that cares for its people has been the hallmark of Minnesota.
And the most telling measure of how well we care for each other is to consider how we treat those who are most vulnerable among us.
These “Minnesota Nice” are the kind of voters (Catholic and otherwise) who got behind Obama in 2008. If he caves to the GOP on the debt ceiling negotiations and sacrifices Social Security and Medicare to protect the tax gimmicks so beloved by the MOTUs and banksters, these voters will not be happy. Nor will their counterparts in Wisconsin, Illinois, Pennsylvania, New York, Missouri, Ohio, and Florida.
Let us pause to let the significance of those states sink in once again.
It’s not just Catholics — a wide-ranging coalition of religious groups has come together around these same principles. (Full statement and list of major signatories here – pdf.) These aren’t hippies that Team Obama can punch, hoping to get an electoral bounce from the folks who hate hippies. These are the folks who volunteer in soup kitchens, raise houses with Habitat for Humanity, and do all the grunt work of many charities, large and small.
The spines of Senate Democrats and House Democrats alike have been stiffening since Obama sent his signal on Thursday about being open to cuts in Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps this is because the folks who are concerned about “the least of these” have been getting through to their elected members of Congress.
If only we could get through at the White House.
Whether they realize it or not, their job security may depend on whether they hear that message.




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I can vouch for the presence and power of Catholics in Wisconsin. There are lots of Sconnies who are both Catholics and union members, and whose middle names are their saint names.
Marcy’s thoughts on David Plouffe tie in with this as well.
The longer it takes for them to start listening, the worse things will get for Team Obama and the campaign.
And, of course, the country — especially “the least of these”.
Interesting – I’d add that there are many many folks that read their religion’s views on taking care of the poor and the aged in the same way the Catholic Church does – including the atheist activists in the Unitarian Church.
For everyone it will be a choice between “teach him a lesson so this betrayal never happens again” and ” but the other person is in some ways worse”.
Our elections are close – the fact of a choice means votes will be going to the teach him a lesson and any Democratic margins will not be as large as in the 2008 election – Over 800,000 walked in the Senator Brown (Ma) election that was won by 100,000, and 29 million walked in the 2010 election. Granted off year elections see a decrease in voting – but the Dem decrease is much larger than the GOP decrease – it is that “base” thing I suspect.
Unfortunately for us all, the White House is more likely to listen to David Brooks
than to compassionate men and women of the church:
I don’t know that they listen to Brooks as much as they feed him what they’d like him to say.
Brooks may live in New York, but he speaks fluent Villager. This is the conventional Village wisdom, and Brooks is happy to pass it along uncritically.
Just read the headline here and now I’ll go back and read the article. I can say this, though: I’m Catholic and I’ve had it with that fuckin’ spoogehead.
I’m not going to agree with that, the reason is because obama gave job money to banks, the reason is because obama used the failed “trickle down” philosophy of morons instead of the proven bottom up strategy that everyone knows works
Aha! – and sooo here we have the ‘catholic angle’ of the “Obama problem” –
I have to confess I’m a bit dissappointed I was hoping for some juicy bible quotes!
OK. Read the article. If I could generalize, I’d say Catholic voters are like the rest–how does all this affect me? As far as the bishops–it’s about abortion and not too many Catholics that I know give a shit. We’re happy when they’re in sync with our views. We don’t follow theirs.
Obama isn’t accepting any notion and the Republicans are not hostage-takers.
Obama and Republicans are puppets dancing for the same puppetmasters.
The American people have to cut the strings now and replace these puppets with real leaders if they want the United States to make it in the 21st century.
Another take on the Catholic vote which also fits particularly well in the northern midwest where women live FOREVER is that the Reagan Democrats were often Catholic, ethnics on the way up into the middle class but not yet totally secure.
This is a vote that will evaporate over the Social Security and Medicare cuts. Ryan may say he wants to cut them but if Obama cuts them Obama deserves and will get the blame.
Is a bear catholic? Does the Pope….
or
yes, he will.
Since you asked . . .
–Matthew 25
Here’s another, from Ezekiel 16, where the prophet compares Jerusalem with Sodom: “This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.”
yup
I make the point over at my diary
obama planned this ‘debt ceiling crisis”, he is the author of this paly
Obama is a one-term president who is doing the bidding of the same people who lord it over the Republicans. Obama’s team will not be able to pull off what Rove did in 2004, and I don’t think at this point that they’re even trying to pull off something similar.
Meanwhile, Americans will either see that the political “fights” between Democrats and Republicans are no longer anything more than a smokescreen or they won’t.
the reason he’s going to serve more then one term is the sad fact that the puppet masters need him in office over a republican elected as a republican
a republican elected as a republican no way no how would be able to accomplish the damage obama, a corportist elected as a democrat
Exactly.
http://www.instantrimshot.com
I said ‘juicy’ – Ezekiel 16 I also always use on Americans – but they are resisting little devils!
A one-term presidency for Obama = shared sacrifice.
Thanks, Peter.
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Your writing was one of the first things to impress me about FDL.
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The anti-religious bias on the left, and the right’s pandering to religious bigotry, is one of the big unacknowledged factors in the right’s supremacy. If we’re going to win over any hearts and minds, we can’t afford for that to continue.
Just think about it:It’s apparently ok to reduce the benefits to the poor and the old ones. That is money out of their pockets. But it is not ok to increase taxes on the rich, like money out of their pockets. That is off the table. Take it from the poor and the old ones. Fuck em.
Obama extended the Bush tax cuts, “reformed” health care (actually pulled off the Insurance Industry Profit Protection and Enhancement Act), and amazingly got the ball rolling on the dismantling of Medicare and SS.
He’s done his part.
A Republican is now needed to undo the CARD Act, the CFPB, etc.
We do have a problem with Shock Doctrine. Obama needs to get the TeaBaggers to support his Tea Bagging. Boner wants more concessions.
Obama agrees. Obama always agrees with Tea Baggers. Those lazy lesser people are not sacrificing for the wealthy enough. But what else is there left to give?
But what else is there left to give to the Boner? The Boner is a Catholic and he will take Reproductive Rights of women. Obama is ready to deal. I am sure those rumors of a Boner affair are just rumors.
And that is why the thugs will likely never repeal the ACA, just too much profit.
Nothing good can come as long as the Democratic/Republican ruling elite’s monopoly on power continues. Both parties are complicit in the decades-long creation of a profoundly corrupt and rigged political system designed not to facilitate any sort of genuinely progressive change, but to thwart it.
Obama knows he will not be reelected. He risks nothing. He successfully prevented any improvement in health care. He successfully resurrected the Republican Party and destroyed the Democratic Party. He successfully protected the Wall Street and Bush Administration criminals from prosecution. He successfully completed the destruction of the constitution begun by Dick Cheney. He successfully extended the reach and tightened the grip of the Police State. Now he will successfully destroy what is left of the New Deal. He does not need a second term. He is already the most successful president in modern history.
I think he WILL be elected to a second term, for the very same reasons you list.
Look at the slate of Republicans, going half-hearted through the motions of running.
Nah! On this last point, I could not disagree with you more. These rich dickheads have job secruity a-plenty from the corporate overlords & super wealthy to whom they owe their fealty and for whom ONLY Obama & his dickheaded henchmen work. ALL pols, including Agent Orange, have job security for life, as long as they screw-over the middle & working class.
The so-called “shared sacrifice” means one thing only: any sacrifices will be shared among those in the rapidly shrinking middle & working classes, along with those in the rapidly growing underclass – and like Voldemort the “name” of that underclass shall never be mentioned bc we’ll just *pretend* it doesn’t exist.
The super wealthy??? They NEVER sacrifice a d*mn effing thing, and insofar as possible, they intend for it to stay just that.
Anyone attempting to whine & cry about how unfair it would be to repeal the Bush/Obama tax cuts just isn’t paying attention. What have they sacrificed? NADA.
Our taxes are re-directed upwards to the fabulously wealthy. WE bailed THEM out when the crashed our economy, and we have never ever gotten a return on our investment as promised… which was: jobs. WTF are the jobs? Oh yeah, that’s right: in third world countries.
Obama doesn’t give a stuff about what ANY religion or religious leader thinks or says or does. He’s got his marching orders from the super wealthy, and that’s all that matters to him.
If the super wealthy want Obama to “win,” then Obama will “win” and most likely by a “landslide” that he can say he has a “mandate” to continue screwing over the small fry.
Just ask Diebold how it works…
The party of FDR and LBJ is now telling us that we face a debt crisis and we, the people, except the wealthy, must rise to the occasion. It is time to take from the poor, the down trodden, the sick and the old ones so we can get past this. Oh and also that great middle class, those people who worked for so many years to get ahead and struggled through sickness and health. And if they got a little tucked away, there will be means testing. All must pay, except the wealthy. I will not go quietly into this hell. Fuck you, Democrats, fuck you.
Obama and his advisers (owners) bank on the fact that there are just enough True Believers and other deluded Democrats who will hold their noses and vote for him because the other guy is worse. They are now in a financial position where they no longer need individual voter’s money or volunteered time for their reelection campaign. Obama’s owners and corporate backers will give him any amount needed to produce a slick 18-month-long Bullshit propaganda campaign to convince the gullible and the desperate to hand him a second term. And they’ll succeed.
All he needs to do is to stay merely a tiny fraction better than the craziest GOP candidate and policy. He can fuck over progressives and Democrats in general, he can help the GOP cut and gut Social Security and Medicare, lower taxes on the oligarchs, rape the Constitution with the Patriot Act, and continue the wars. His slick advertising blitz will give him all the cover he needs.
I’m not a screenwriter, but I could write a highly accurate treatment and scenario how the next 18 months will play out.
It ain’t going to be pretty for the middle class or progressives. He’ll be leading the buggery and blame it on GOP intransigence and he will get away with it. Bank on it.
It is very galling for someone who spent his professional life learning and teaching economics in the expectation that the work would help prevent the disasters of the 1930s happen again. This is what galls people like Stiglitz, Krugman, and now even Summers the most. A lot of economics is astrology, but there are some basic elements that work, and standard old fasioned macroeconomcs is one of them. I heard Goolsbee on the radio this morning, and almost pulled out my hair. It is worse than noxious crap. It’s lethal crap.
As to the election: Obama will certainly be elected. The only thing that might stop him is a credible defeat in the New Hampshire primary. A shot over the bow. It will be impossible to match his spending power in the other primaries, but a clear defeat in New Hampshire’s democratic primary would signal likely defeat in the general election. That would scare the holy jeebus out of the powers that be, who may doubt they can control Bachman the way they control Obama. At that point two things: the PTB get behind a more viable thug candidate and dump Obama, or they go whole hog for Obama and hope for the best. The latter is a very risky operation. At this point, I don’t see any difference between Romney and Obama relative to the current policy path. Both are frauds. If I were voting between them in the next election(which I won’t), I would probably vote Romney. After all, the one substantive achievement by Obama was Romney-Care. Why take a substitute when you’ve got the real thing?
Until a couple of years ago, I always voted the Democratic Party line.
I throw away the shit they mail me asking for money, but I cut up one of the membership cards into little pieces that I like to keep around.
When Republicans are in control, Democrats are not the answer!
If a real leader emerges who cleans house, I’ll be back. If not:
So very true. Well said. Disappointingly correct recap of the situation.
A commercial like the one below!
will end OBAMA and all Blue Dog dems
Have a commercial begin with an elderly couple sitting around a dinner table crying, because OBAMA has cut their social security check
and show a shot of OBAMA playing golf
this 30 second commercial would end OBAMA
or just do what Jane says
make a commercial showing an elder couple eating cat food,because Obama cut their social security
and show a scene of OBama laughing while playing basketball
who knew Obama is Palin with a Jump Shot
I couldn’t have said it as well as you did.
Peterr, do you really think these voters will hold Obama responsible, or will they be both turned off by the craziness of the Republican alternative AND bamboozled by the spin Obama et al. put on this?
So long as every form of media screams “debt, debt, debt. It’s what’s gonna kill us,” do “ordinary folks” have the time or wherewithal to look at this Satanic “Grand Plan” and see that everything’s taken from the poor, disabled and elderly, while nothing is asked of the rich?
I just fear that Mr. “Less Bad Than Those Guys” will win again. Frankly, Romney is the only hope I see of beating Obama.
Lutheran Social Services operate hundreds of hospitals, nursing homes, child shelters and other services across the country, all dependent on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security for their ability to be able to care for probably a million people or more. Catholic Social services amounts to similar numbers. They were the original church agencies founded in the 19th century to attempt to help the people society was leaving behind. They learned, as the pious hypocrites preaching limited government did not, that you can’t do it with private charity. There will never be enough kindness and generosity in the churches and charities to pay for the work that needs to be done. Most churches can barely support themselves to keep the lights on and fix the roof every 30 years.
When the funds for medicaid and medicare start drying up, the people who care the most will feel it first. The election will already be over by then, but this whole melodrama has been designed to have it be that way.
Obama will sacrifice anyone and anything to get a “bipartisan” deal with his ideological allies, the Republicans.
25% in Iowa Pew map: http://religions.pewforum.org/maps
There are a lot of Catholics in my part of northeast Iowa, and a lot of them are conservaDems.
David Brooks is an asshole.
A credible opponent in the Democratic primaries could CRUSH Obama. Most of the Democratic base is beyond furious with him. The Democratic establishment knows this, and that is why they are doing all in their power (possibly including physical threats) to stop a primary opponent from emerging.
No, but they still do need votes. Money buys them air time to lie but they still need bodies to actually walk into the polls and vote for them.
The right wing will turn out for sure.
I say just stay home, vote a 3rd party or write in a vote.
If you don’t have a dime, you can still vote NO.
Hmm, NO might make a nice lawn sign.
Does Obama really believe he WILL be reelected? He’s willing to play dog in the manger to keep a real actual Democrat, especially one from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party, OFF the ballot.
If he is elected, he will continue to serve his masters, not us. If he loses, a Repub get the Oval Office and will serve his masters (the same masters Obama serves). Not us.
Obama wants to honor St. Ronnie by completing what he thinks Reagan began but was unable to finish; in other words, he wants to destroy FDR’s New Deal, LBJ’s Great Society, and, for good measure, the Democratic Party.
Maximom, according to the Pew survey, we the people want tax increase with some limited cuts and NO touching of SocSec, Medicare, and Medicaid — by TWO TO ONE.
Obama doesn’t give a rat’s ass about what WE want; he has his bosses to serve. And they have no need of any of those programs and look forward to we the people NOT having them.
Well, given how the price of the better cat foods (not the little itsy bitsy cans, just decent ingredients) has gone up, seniors just getting by won’t be able to afford cat food.
Does Ramen make low sodium noodles? Are they still pretty cheap?
I still say Obama will have to get Congress to set up Obama’s Soylent Green factories; it will be a big part of his legacy. It’s a jobs program which will also help do away with the surplus population.
Gimlet at Eschaton found their mission statement: “We Serve Mankind.”
Why are you upset with Stiglitz and Krugman who have been pointing out that Obama’s ecnomic approach would not work from the gitgo?
I have begun to wonder if Obama became enamored of the Ryan Plan when Pelosi said the Dems have three things to run on: Medicare, Medicare, Medicare.
As he once cut Reid’s legs out from under him, I wonder if he is now after Pelosi?
The catholic church spends millions on political causes….more so than on any of the “charities” you mention in your article.
They are primarily a political organization which your article proves quite clearly.
That they receive US tax revenue via the faith based initiative and have this much influence with Obama is disgusting and clearly violates the separation of church and state.
Thanks jawbone. Dog in the manger is exactly what the Obama campaign is. I hope you don’t mind if I use it.