According to both the Washington Post and the New York Times, Obama is proposing cuts to Social Security in exchange for GOP support for tax hikes. Lori Montgomery in the Post:
At a meeting with top House and Senate leaders set for Thursday morning, Obama plans to argue that a rare consensus has emerged about the size and scope of the nation’s budget problems and that policymakers should seize the moment to take dramatic action. As part of his pitch, Obama is proposing significant reductions in Medicare spending and for the first time is offering to tackle the rising cost of Social Security, according to people in both parties with knowledge of the proposal.
And Jay Carney’s carefully chosen weasel-words today do not contradict this:
“There is no news here – the President has always said that while social security is not a major driver of the deficit, we do need to strengthen the program and the President said in the State of the Union Address that he wanted to work with both parties to do so in a balanced way that preserves the promise of the program and doesn’t slash benefits.”
Nobody ever says they want to “cut” Social Security or Medicare. They want to “save” it. Just ask Pete Peterson, he wants to “save” it. Likewise AARP. They don’t want reduced benefits for senior citizens, they want to “preserve” it for future generations. If they have an enormous customer base they can market private “add-on” accounts and other retirement products to when Social Security goes bye-bye, I guess that’s just a happy coincidence.
Now if you think that this is something the President is doing because it’s the only way to get Republican cooperation you can stop reading here, because we’re going to disagree. From the moment he took the White House, the President has wanted to cut Social Security benefits. David Brooks reported that three administration officials called him to say Obama “is extremely committed to entitlement reform and is plotting politically feasible ways to reduce Social Security as well as health spending” in March of 2009. You can only live in denial for so long and still lay claim to being tethered to reality.
And if you think it’s only the President, and the progressives in Congress will oppose him, we’ll have to disagree about that too. Nancy Pelosi can always come up with the votes she needs to pass whatever the White House wants, and she’ll do it again this time. It’s her only chance to ever be Speaker again. If the Democrats somehow manage to retake control of the House, she needs Obama’s support. She’ll shake her fist and say things like any health care bill “without a strong public option will not pass the House” — and then turn around and force her caucus to walk the plank.
Progressive Democratic “leaders” like Raul Grijalva will fold once again like a house of cards if need be — and they know it. Today, the Huffington Post reports:
Progressives Won’t Criticize Obama For Proposed Social Security Cuts
Grijalva and Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas), a vice chair of the caucus, defended the president for signaling he would be willing to take a look at changes to the programs, arguing there are ways to restructure entitlement spending to save money without hurting beneficiaries.
Translation: They’ll wait for the whip count to see if their votes are needed, and if not, they can let somebody else be the “rotating villain” this time. But just in case, they’re leaving the back door open for themselves.
What we’re watching is the death of the Democratic Party. Or, at least the Democratic Party as most of us have known it. The one that has taken its identity in the modern era from FDR and the New Deal, from Keynesianism and the social safety net. Despite any of its other shortcomings (and they are myriad), the Democratic Party has stood as a symbol for commitment to these principles. As recently as 2006, Democrats retook the House in a surprise wave election because the public feared that George Bush would destroy Social Security, and they trusted the Democrats over Republicans to secure it. Just like George Bush, Obama now wants to “save” Social Security….by giving those who want to burn it to the ground the the very thing they’ve wanted for decades.
Any member of any party who participates in this effort does not deserve, and should not get, the support of anyone who values Social Security and cares about its preservation. The amount of damage that the Democrats under Obama have been able to do has been immeasurable, by virtue of the fact that they are less awful that George Bush. But where George Bush failed, Obama will probably succeed.
Which means we’re watching another casualty here: Democracy. Or at least, the illusion that we live in a democratic society. The public, regardless of party, overwhelmingly opposes cuts to Social Security and Medicare. But elected officials of both parties are hell-bent on conspiring to bring the programs to an end. They seem to have come to grips with a fact that the public has not: their tenure in office depends on carrying out the wishes of oligarchical elites.
There is only one thing you can reasonably conclude as you watch the political theater that is transpiring: what the voting public thinks really isn’t all that important. And to the extent that it does matter, it can easily be channeled by those with sufficient money to pay the tab. Samuel Johnson said that patriotism was the last refuge of scoundrels, but in our modern era, that honor goes to tribalism. The list of horrors that people found intolerable when George Bush was in office, but are now blithely accepting because “Sarah Palin would be worse,” grows longer every day.
We’ll fight this, because it’s the right thing to do. We will probably lose. But we will make it as painful as possible for any politician from any party to participate in this wholesale looting of the public sphere, this “shock doctrine” for America. And maybe along the way we’ll get a vision of what comes next. Because what we believe in as Americans, and what we stand for, is not something the Democratic party represents any more.


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Thank you, Jane. I agree with every word 1,000 percent.
Speak Sister!
“…the President has always said that while social security is not a major driver of the deficit…”
IT IS NOT A DRIVER AT ALLLLLLLL!!!!! WTF??!
IT’S A SCREAMING PASSENGER BEING PULLED OFF A CLIFF BY DRUNK DRIVERS IF ANYTHING!
Sign the Pledge.
Start thinking about a third party.
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Jane –
Last night when Scarecrow posted the first report of this, I commented that I couldn’t wait for you to respond, and continuing to respond every day. Let me be the first to thank you for joining Glenzilla in reporting the truth, and leading the fight. About the only suggestion I could make is that someone at FDL needs to put together a time line showing all of the statements and actions Obama has made in setting up the current scenario for gutting SS.
Thanks so much. Guess I’ll have to break down and become a member now.
I told them this very morning I would NOT vote for the President or any democrat who votes to cut SS, medicare or medicaid. And I will NOT contribute to the democratic party if they have any part of this. WTF are they doing? This is no longer my party. ENOUGH!!!
The President has finally come to a decision…
I was going to do just that today, but things were too hectic. It’s on the way. We’ve documented shitloads of them.
If anybody wants to help string together the posts, would love the help!
Swing and a miss. It doesn’t contribute one thin dime to the deficit. But this is the crew that as mentioned, doesn’t want to “cut” Social Security, it wants to “strengthen” it, etc. etc. Got to listen carefully…
Thanks Jane, I’ve been looking forward to this post all day ; )
I signed the petition, but I want to make it very clear, I will not support ANY DEMOCRAT ANYWHERE AT ANY LEVEL EVER AGAIN if Obama is not stopped.
The President will not listen to me, nor will the Democratic leadership in Congress. Hell, my own Democratic representative and senator make ignoring me part of their daily to do list.
But if we can put the fear of God into every elected Dem down to dog catcher and the majority of the party rebels against its traitorous leadership, there may yet be a glimmer of hope.
This statement is incoherent. If SS is not a major driver of the deficit then why is it used as some kind of fund to fix the deficit? And why are not the true drivers being “fixed” to address the deficit.
Signing the pledge, already decided a long time ago.
Oh, and Jane is TOTALLY calling it. Game over.
This is an historical post.
Thank you for such a cogent analysis…..I have lived all my life in a Democratic family….some of those folks are rolling over in the graves.
Thank you for your voice.
They want to save it in the same way taxidermists save wildlife.
Petition signed.
Well-stated. Anyone who is surprised is simply foolish.
I’m squinting and staring, but I haven’t seen the phoenix yet. I see only ashes. Our job is evidently to create room for liberal ideals to grow again. That is hard to face because it will take longer than I have on this earth, and I am still uncertain about how deep the current valley really is.
Jane! Smart, concise and as ever to the (breaking) point. Please run for office! I’ll relocate so I can vote for you.
Signed; sorry I can’t afford to contribute.
Obama said in a speech months ago that he wouldn’t ‘slash SS or Medicare’ while he was smiling; it was a harbinger of things to come: telling the truth in plain sight. I’m sure he and his keepers don’t consider this ‘slashing’ as long as the programs survive and aren’t privatized.
Assholes.
OK that is 5, count them 5 pledges/email/petitions I have now signed on this subject. It is probably a done deal between The Big Zero and his banker buddies and, for sure, he was not going to get my vote anyway, and neither are any politicians that are not pledged Progressives. Wont do a damn bit of good as the books are cooked already and USACorp is firmly entrenched.
The Great Dream of America, land of the free etc., etc., etc., is over, gone and all but forgotten drowned in a flurry of torture, war and greed. As of three weeks ago one less year I have to live in this godawful fucking country as my spouse will be retiring and we can get the fuck out.
“We will probably lose.”
OVER OUR DEAD BODIES
+2
Game on, Jane. I am so happy you came out with this. Thank you.
Glad to see some actual action being taken, a defunding-pledge, as opposed more pointless appeals in the form of petitions.
As such, you have my buy-in. Signed.
Now, let’s move on to organizing some SERIOUS civil/economic unrest. The only way they’re going to scale back their ambitions is out of fear and we have the numbers and they get their money-power from us.
Time to start de-funding the corporations:
° Dump your AT&T/Verizon service.
° Stop buying Hollywood films.
° Stop watching television.
° Take your money out of the banks.
° Cash in your investments.
° Stop giving to corporatized “charities” and “activist” groups.
LET THEM KNOW WHY!
We may not be able to stop them quickly, but we can at least stop funding our own oppression.
Jane –
Phred is right. We need to change the petition so that we all pledge not to support ANY Dem candidate if the party goes through with this plan to gut SS. We need to put the Dems in the famous “DIRTY DOZEN” situation where an attempt to escape by any one person would put them all back in jail awaiting “execution of sentence”. The whole party, from your local councilman or county supervisor right on up the ladder.
Some think that people are just in outrage fatigue and won’t care. I think many are simply still in disbelief. They just can’t comprehend this is happening.
When the wasteful unnecessary wars are ended we’ll talk about cutting needed social programs like congressional health care.
+3
The country has never been in more dire straits than since Obama was inaugurated. We definitely were safer before the Democrats controlled the White House.
Social Security is NOT an entitlement. It’s paid into by workers who collect the benefits when they retire. It’s a self-insurance fund.
Politicians and media in this country just suck.
I think this is all very well-said and I agree with it. We must do more than withdraw when we are being abused in this way.
The answer is finding choices that we can support and getting them on the ballot against the politicians we cannot support. Whether that’s in a primary or in a third party challenge, we have to find someone to take these people on directly for votes. Enough is enough. No more of this garbage from the Democrats that we just have to bend over and take it from center-right Democrats because the Republicans are purportedly worse. The best way to solve the problem of choice between two bad options is to find another option. It is time. Long past time.
Jane,
The great song and dance swindle of Corpbama makes for an intriguing narrative. I’m curious — ever touch bases with someone like FRONTLINE? This kind of thing seems right up their alley.
Cheers! Only one quibble. I don’t see how Pelosi sees a path back to Speaker by following Obwma as he destroys the party, its legacy, its base and brand. She’s trapped by Obama, knowing she can’t oppose him and become speaker, and can’t follow him and become speaker. Her one moral choice is to rescue the Party long term by denouncing Obama, even though it splits the Party now, and knowing she will probably never be speaker again.
Yes.
I like this very much.
I’d want to add: “Any Democrat who calls the social safety programs ‘Entitlements’.”
Duopoly uber alles and Corporatocracy. We have met the enemy and we be fucked.
Petition signed and donated a couple days ago. We still need “none of the above” on ballots.
Watching the death of the Democratic party? REALLY Jane? Really? You are certainly smarter than I in the ways of the political morass but that happened long ago. Until you and the people here and lots more realize the two party system is a fools game for chumps, you will be the chumps. There is NO political solution in this country. Chris Hedges is correct. There is only resistance. It is long and hard and will take decades. And other things that can’t be mentioned on blogs being monitored by the powers that be. I wish to heaven that someone told the truth. Have some courage. Tell everyone to never vote for a Democrat again because they aren’t Democrats anymore. Tell the truth-Obama is a fraud. Keep it short. All these words. Voting changes nothing. That’s the truth.
Now he has made himself visible to all and we can fight him.
The ‘breaking point’ has been reached a long time before. What’s about last November – when the utmost insane group of politicians where voted ‘in’ by the American people and the President promised to learn from this ‘shellacking’ – and wasn’t it kind of clear that he would ‘learn’ all the wrong lessons -(he his just a ‘puppet’ don’t forget) – So now it’s going to be like in every ‘democracy’ – some time of pudding of mushed-up ‘right’ and ‘left’ positions – with the major difference that most democracies don’t have complete insane people on the right side – so if you mix a complete idiot with a ‘nearly’ idiot the outcome should be a learning experience for the American people to watch it at the next election.
Petition signed — wish I could afford to contribute, but if I had any money, I’d be using it to buy an FDL membership.
My mother lives with me — her pension just manages to pay her Medicare premium, all of the rest of her money comes from Social Security. We can’t afford to take another financial hit.
She could certainly be a good advocate since she is likely not a Pres. contender. She could help open the way for someone else.
Jane Hamsher for Senate in 2012!
And here’s another vote for Phred’s idea, change the pledge to defund all Democrats if any Democrat votes for these anti-American plans.
She’s too much of an insider to go against Obama LLC
I hope somebody is assembling and keeping the writings of Jane Hamsher organized, for future publication in book form; It will be one of the best political histories of America for this period.
Great timing, since the R party also collapsed awhile back anyway, only to be re-branded by the Koch-backed gazillionaires as the Tea Party. So now neither major political party is recognizable by its former base? We have 1 corporate centrist party, TP nutbars on the far right, a small band of idealistic progressives on the left, an occasional Sanders or Kucinich somewhere along that spectrum, and no help from the corporate-owned media. Quite the bleak house. Only when a truer grass-roots movement takes off from the ground up, can there be some hope for the alliance. Otherwise, this Empire is striking back long and hard to keep its grip on the country. Baby steps anyone?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/us/politics/08obama.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/business/economy/08deficit.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/08/entitlements-on-the-line-as-deficit-rises/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/09/tax-cut-idea-pits-payrolls-vs-social-security/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011504114.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/us/politics/23social.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/obama-angers-gop-by-brush_n_169701.html
http://www.thenation.com/article/looting-social-security
http://www.upi.com/news/issueoftheday/2009/05/13/Obama-must-act-to-save-Social-Security-Medicare/UPI-52271242224069/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/us/politics/10obama.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/07/23/us-budget-obama-idUSTRE56M0OO20090723
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/opinion/30Hubbard.html
http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/14/news/economy/obama_seniors_payment/index.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/21/obama-invokes-fdrs-battle_n_264791.html
Third party now.
The Rats are dead to me.
A Manifesto and a line in the sand. Saddly, ’bout time.
Obama has supported cutting social security, I’m sorry, I mean saving social security since Iowa, when he vowed to take on the social security crisis.
Agree with every single point, but cripes, can’t we win even this one? Is there no way for the public to stop these criminals?
Not a “third party”,a real progressive party. Who’s left to vote for the Rats? Let them die the political-death they so richly deserve and have earned.
Jane
Welcome to the club. To all those progs out there who screamed blue bloody murder at Nader supporters simply because Ralph called it, it is time to stop screaming at us and instead listen and join us.
Now it is time to do more than just complain or sign useless, meaningless petitions.
Build an alternative.
The New Progressive Alliance has been calling for this for some time.
Come join us. newprogs.org
Because the SS Trust funds were used to buy US Gov securities, and when the cash flow into SS is negative, the US Gov (AND THE RICH) the securities will be sold, and the US Gov will have to return the money they took from Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush.
Thanks, Jane.
None of these plutocrats need the benefits of any of the plans they are cutting. Note that no Congressional pay and benefits are on the table, including their own superior health care and pensions, the Navy health team in the Capitol Hill basement, ad nauseum. No corporate taxes are to rise as part of this “deal”, no total rise in receipts. The Dems even agree with the GOP that increasing tax enforcement/collection efforts and plugging egregious loopholes is an “increase” in taxes.
When Al Capone starts running City Hall, the people need a new city government. It also means they have to stop betting with Capone’s bookies and to stop drinking his beer and whiskey.
We need a Labor Party to oppose the Tories of both the R and D varieties. Whatever anyone cares to call it, Party3 needs to be absolutely separate from and unconnected to the Democrats.
People need to let their Congress-people know that they are abandoning the Democratic party, and that Dems will get no money and no votes from us henceforth. 0bama and his hench-persons need to feel the bottom drop out from under them very suddenly and very decisively.
Well, actually, LBJ called them entitlements. That used to not be a bad thing. You know, we actually are entitled to them. Somehow the GOP branded entitlement to mean welfare or something.
Thank you, Jane, for this post! During the past 2.5 years I’ve learned more at this site than any other because of the intelligence, compassion, and commitment from you, your quality bloggers, and FDL members. Your title of today’s post nailed it! It’s time to unsheathe our swords! Yes, the Democratic Party today is no longer the Dem Party of our grandparents and Obama is hastening the demise of that party. Time to fight!
The social security trust fund is a separate account that is collected by the treasury. It is A SOURCE OF REVENUE.
The main driver to the deficit is OUT OF CONTROL MILITARY SPENDING!
They include a SOURCE OF REVENUE in the EXPENDITURES PIE CHARTS!
Why you ask? Because if they didn’t illustrate the 30 YEAR FUTURE LIABILITIES PAID FOR BUY A TAX AND INVESTED IN SPECIAL ISSUE TREASURIES as an outflow, YOU WOULD HARDLY BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OTHER PARTS OF THE FEDERAL BUDGET BUT INTEREST ON THE DEBT AND DoD and NRC MILITARY SPENDING. Let’s not forget the huge black budgets. THEY USE SSTF AS A SCAPE GOAT TO DISTRACT US FROM THE MIC ROBBING US FUCKING BLIND!
Does that make sense?
let’s not forget the most important point jane;
obama brought this on by extending the re-distribution of middle class asset scheme marketed as “the bush tax cuts”
he was told that would create this problem and he knew it, he did not have to extend that redistribution scheme all he had to do was decline to do anything
this was deliberate, brought on by obama himself, not the republicans, not bush
we really need to make this point clear
Thank you so much anyway, Brisingmen2. And take care of your mom.
‘It takes a village,’, too bad ‘we had to destroy it to save it.’
The only thing that gives me a modicum of non-despair is that he seems to be avoiding declaring the 14th Amendment Solution off the table (in public, anyway).
The saddest thing is that there have been so many O-Bots who have believed that because he was who he said he was, that it would be the second coming of FDR when in fact, it’s more like the resurrection of Herbie Hoover. When the fabric of the republic has been torn apart, will someone remember that quote from ‘A Bugs Life’ … “There’s more Ants than Grasshoppers”.
When 400 people control more wealth than the other 300 million Americans, it seems like a no-brainer to figure out that each might have a Congresscriminal on their payroll, sure make having a friendly majority fairly simple. A President doesn’t really matter unless he can convince the other 300+ million Americans he’s “on their side”, but actually a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wall Street Inc.
FDR and LBJ are rolling over in their graves today.
I found a bunch of stuff from 2009 for ya
You are absolutely right, Perris. The only reason there is a “deficit problem” is because they punched a hole in it when the extended the Bush tax cuts — and even then, it only becomes a “problem” because the CBO anticipates they’ll extend them again.
So, the only “problem” that needs solving is the one Obama and Congress created.
Obama and Dems have to burn the village (Social Security) in order to “save” it, just like we did to villages in Vietnam.
They are pond scum of the lowest order.
That is an interesting point of inflection, isn’t it.
War is Peace. Truth is Lies.
You know the drill.
We need a third option. The rending of the garments is not going to change what is likely already a done deal. what needs to happen now is we need to mount an offensive, not just play defensive.
Start with trying to draft Bernie Sanders to run against Obama. He seems to genuinely believe there are better choices then those being offered by this admin.
If not a year from now all that will happen is when Obama fails to or succeeds in being re elected, they will finish the job of decimating the safety nets we have left.
I just want to point out that the hostage taker in this case is the President. He is trying to force House Democrats to support his craptastic dream of reforming entitlements just like his hero Ronald Reagan by throwing SS and Medicare in the mix with the debt ceiling. Strangely, if this were President McCain there is no way in hell Democrats would be about to roll over.
Thank you, billyc, likewise. We’re all supporting each other.
Mr War is Profit. Oh I mean Mr War is Peace, isn’t going to cut back on the illegal wars.
Exactly, masslib; the term has been co-opted to mean ‘government payouts you wouldn’t need if you had your shit together’, IMO.
I have a daughter whose kids get Medicaid; she says most of the docs treat them like second-class citizens, and the social service workers, too.
That didn’t come out well. Better:
Because the SS Trust funds were used to buy US Gov securities, and when the cash flow into SS is negative, the securities will be sold, or the US Gov and the rich will have to return the money they took from Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush.
Yep, good lord the guy is way worse then he promised to be(war, war and more war ) but alot of what he has done is exactly what those of us who didn’t vote for him warned folks about.
Thanks Jane.
$15 in.
The party of FDR began to die during the Vietnam War, it took a turn for the worse during the Stagflation Crisis of the 1970s, Carter tried to save it by introducing cancer into its body (neoliberal economics, cornball moralizing, first post-Vietnam embrace of empire), Reagan exploited the dying body by affirming the warfare component of the welfare/warfare state. Clinton killed it when he embraced moderate Republicanism early in his Presidency. Bank reforms, ending welfare as we know it, affirming the war on crime (drugs), authorizing the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity in the service of empire, attempting to ‘reform’ Social Security, etc. — the Clinton Presidency was what the old Democratic Party’s death rattle.
What’s dying now is the popular belief that the corpse can be resuscitated. But dead means dead, and no hero will appear with the power to bring the dead back to life.
The only thing I can think of is game theory. Since a third party is only likely to split the vote from the extreme stalwarts of the right and the left, we will always be doomed to have R or D in office, in most cases.
However, if we continually vote incumbents out of office every election until we can get term limits and campaign finance reform enacted, there might be a chance government might actually become responsive to the people when we find a genuine mix of dedicated public servants and no the glad-handing cash shoveling self-interested hacks we have by and large now.
And before that, perris; every time he walked into ‘negotiations’ having ceded in his mind 50-75% of what he thought either Industry or Republicans would ‘require’ in a deal.
Glenzilla is right up there with Jane on this:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/07/07/social_security/index.html
Salon.com — Thursday, July 7, 2011 — By Glenn Greenwald
Reports: Obama pushing for cuts to Social Security, Medicare
His opening line?
“This is at once an extraordinary and completely unsurprising headline.”
Meanwhile a billionaire sits in Palm Beach and patiently waits for both parties to implode. :o)
Trump’s not done considering a run for the highest office in the land, however. He explained to HUMAN EVENTS that he may gin up a grassroots campaign if he doesn’t think the crowned GOP victor can beat Barack Obama. “If they [Republicans] pick a candidate that I think can’t win or won’t win against Obama, I would very, very likely run as an independent candidate.”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44200
“When this country becomes profitable again, we can take care of our sick; we can take care of our needy,” he told Human Events. “We don’t have to cut Social Security; we don’t have to cut Medicare and Medicaid. We can take care of people that need to be taken care of. And I’ll be able to do that.”… And he says we won’t need to raise taxes either. Trump is suggesting that, as our economy improves, it will expand to cover trillions of dollars in future deficits…”
http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.com/2011/04/beowulf-on-donald.html
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.
Damn I wish I could give you a big hug now.
You. Are. The. Real. Deal.
Thank you.
nice, will definitely use
Agreed.
In addition to other activities (and I favor demonstrations and civil disobedience) we must support and encourage the true Democrats to hold their ground and follow their conscience. I personally think Nancy Pelosi may well go down in history as not only a tragic but also perhaps heroic figure. She doesn’t need the damned job, it is only standing in the way of her conscience now.
I also saw a note someplace — maybe here — that the Senate Democrats are furious with Obama. So let’s not forget to support them.
You too, OldFatGuy! And I owe you a tshirt.
Great Post! Jane
A must read for everyone
Jane you and your staff said this was coming back in Dec. when OBAMA saved the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich
What happens next?
The elites have made a mistake thinking a Black Man can Gut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade and people will stand by and watch. Clinton could have done this, OBAMA, not so much
Fact we all have to agree no President has ever been HATED by the Left and Right like OBAMA
No One Respects OBAMA, this will allow the forces of Hell to take Over. “We can all expect to see DEMS and GOPers run ADS all over the USA saying they HATE OBAMA” Wow this will be new
Ever seen MAD MAX, this is where the USA is heading. If the PROFESSIONAL left does not take over.
The big CANCER that always comes out to play some time RACISM will be in full effect if OBAMA continues down this path. The elites will learn a valuable lesson, don’t play with the CANCER of RACISM, unless you are willing to deal with the out comes. “Hoping all Black People will LOVE OBAMA is CRAZY talk, I think Black People love Medicare, Medicade, and Social Security. I also have been warned by some of my African American friends that OBAMA will face more SCORN and HATE from Blacks than Whites. WOW!!!
the elites have better ask Cornel West, what is going to happen to their Magic Negro, once he becomes Clarence Thomas Twin.
People think FDR done what he done, because he loved Poor People so much, NO, FDR knew if he did not fix the USA, the USA would EXPLODE.
JANE what you said a long time ago, is what scares the ELITES, the idea of the RIGHT and the LEFT joining forces scares the shit out of them, OBAMA is pushing the LEFT and RIGHT together.
I expect we will see a lot of strange bedfellows in the FUTURE.
What happens in 2012?
House Goes Dem
Senate Goes Dem
White House Goes GOP
18 million POUND GORRILLA NAME the USA Economy will probably level every Member in CONGRESS in 2012! WHY?
None of OBAMA or John ideas will work.
Coming Soon, those who want to take their COUNTRY BACK, and it will not just be a bunch of Tea Partiers saying it this time.
Watch OHIO vote down OBAMA individual MANDATE in 2011, will OBAMA fight for it and 2012?
Gov. Walker wiped out OBAMA, and OBAMA just has not gotten the MEMO
Gov. Walker actions made a lot of DEM realize they no longer need the DNC.
Plus Gov. Walker woke up a lot of DUMB GOPers, we all want to assume that every GOPer hates Social Security? Another BIG, BIG, mistake by the elites.
A lot of groups will be running TROJAN HORSES in 2012, SOME will have 1 mission Kill Wall Street.
I wished I was in the room when Goldman Sachs came up with this one, let us let a BLACK MAN kill Social Security? WOW!!! yes that will be WINNER
LMAO!!! getting my popcorn ready now for the fireworks that this will generate from the LEFT, RIGHT, BLACK, HISPANIC, WHITE, etc. a black man kills Social Security and thinks he can get re-elected
Jane
You’re not making any sense when you say “Nancy will cave because she’ll need Obama help in retaking the house next year” Damn, he will be so toxic that anyone that support Obama will also end up losing and the House will go back to the GOP as well as the Senate and the President
So please write an article on how Pelosi will lose and quit been the bad news liberal with news that does not matches the real sentiment out here in reality base-land
NANCY WILL LOSE THE HOUSE IF SHE BEND TO THIS
YOU GUY HAVE THE BULLHORN AND INSTEAD OF USING IT TO GET THE BASE RILED-UP …YOU USED IT FOR A “DEFEATIST COMPLEX”
NO WONDER LIBERAL BLOGS END UP DYING
This is a great, great post, Jane, though made painful because it’s very sad that we should have to fight for what rightfully should be protected. From my point of view, this is what happens when the needs of the war machine and corporate profits slowly but surely eroded whatever believe in progressive action, or even defense for prior gains, existed.
We don’t know what new political forms and struggles exactly lie ahead of us, but as always, one has to stand for something and do what is right, and I know that we will.
One of the first things FDR did in the Great Depression was to enact Old Age Pension for those most vulnerable — then of course later SS. Obama’s response has been to enrich the rich and now offer up more danger and pain for the most vulnerable.
What a country!
I have Huntington’s Disease. I paid a lot of money in payroll deduction through the years for my DISABILITY INSURANCE. Social Security Disability Insurance.
Repeat that. I paid for my Social Security Disability Insurance. Nobody gave me my SSDI. My payroll deduction PAID for it.
Huntington’s Disease basically slowly clogs up my brain cells because of a bunch of mutant extra repeats in a DNA sequence. To put it more simply, you know what Parkinson’s Disease is? You know what Alzheimer’s Disease is. Combine them.
That’s what Huntington Disease did to Woody Guthrie, my dad’s mom, and my dad. What it’s doing to me. What it’s going to do to one of my brothers.
If anyone thinks any White House/Congressional Republicrats are going be stealing the social security disability insurance I purchased out from myself or anyone else is in for a very rude awakening. I’ve got big loud voice, and can make a big ugly stink. Nobody is stealing the disability insurance money from a guy with Woody Guthrie’s Disease. Period.
It’s all about the SS Trust Fund, the time bomb Greenspan set ticking 30 years ago.
The Reagan Coalition has been held together with on-budget deficit spending plus stealth deficit spending (the SS surplus, which does not count as additional borrowing and just gets spent).
IIRC, SS still has a small surplus, but not as much as in previous years, so their free money for tax cuts is shrinking.
Two issues:
* If you cut current benefits, leaving payroll taxes as-is, that increases the surplus and cuts the official deficit.
* Republicans have no plans to pay off the SS Trust Fund, or any other government debt, for that matter. That requires running a SURPLUS (remember those?) and redeeming the bonds. If they force SS to roll over the Trust Fund bonds instead of redeeming them, it makes the on-budget deficits look smaller. But the money to maintain benefits isn’t there.
Pardon my caps-lock, but THERE IS NO SOLUTION WITHOUT INCREASING REVENUES, and they must come from THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT.
As to the death of the Democratic Party, the New Deal coalition fell apart 40 years ago. It’s been one long lingering death since then. This isn’t the first act of that play, it’s the last act. The gathering of friends at hospice.
Obama is not a Democrat. He is a mildly pro-choice moderate Republican, and a Reaganite/Friedmanite supply-sider / voodoo economist. So is Clinton.
This is another act in Obama’s little play, which I outlined the other day.
Act 1: tie up negotiations behind closed doors for months until the clock runs out.
Act 2: Obama rides to the rescue with harsh statements.
Act 3: With seconds on the clock, President Lawn-chair folds completely, leaving the congressional Democrats no time to regroup.
It is a powerful negotiating technique to force Democrats to vote for Republican bills. He did it on health care, then on the tax cuts, now on this debacle.
And, it was obvious that this was his end game. The Cat Food Commission was packed to produce this conclusion. The debt ceiling should have been addressed as part of the tax cut deal, but was specifically left open for the new Republican congress to address.
I’ve been ready to throw down. Like someone upthread stated, this is going to be a historic post. Regardless of what happens, I expect that I’ll be looking back and remembering this post three years from now.
It sounds like another members conference call might be in order to submit ideas about what to do. Beyond elections.
Jane used the term “outrage fatigue”. That’s so so where I’m at right now. I feel like I can’t even put together coherent writing with everything swirling around. I’ve been working on part two of that far right series for like four days now and I just…I can’t seem to organize my brain with my outrage fatigue.
Precisely. As did Bush, Obama created many of the problems he faces, but he’s only willing to let the humble and downtrodden pay for his mistakes and his choices. His powers of speech are supposedly fearsome, yet he has been silent on advocating alternatives – higher taxes, tougher collection and enforcement practices, fewer handouts to the wealthy, fewer wars and outsourced toys and services – lest it anger the GOP. With Democrats like that, who needs a Republican?
There are no “true Democrats”. Don’t you know it’s just a case of rotating the villains so that no one (except maybe Joe Lieberman) is the permanent bad guy?
I’ll believe there are some “true democrats” when a real fillibuster, staged by enough Dem Senators, prevents this deal from being done, even if it does mean either a government default or Obama having to invoke the 14th Amendment. (Would serve that motherfucker right!)
Superb and inspiring post Jane. Help us keep on keeping on and doing more. I am in it with you for the long haul.
Lots of comments about oppositon to Obama and Democrats, but are there any politicians out there this site will support? Oppose the Democrats and allow the election of the right-wingers seems to be the focus of FDL. What candidates have you recruited? What blocs of voters have you organized? There will be no victory without millions of feet in the streets headed for the polling places.
Too true. Breathtaking and not in the least surprising. Of course, Obama plainly said he was going after entitlements back in Iowa when Frank Rich didn’t give a damn.
Yep. For the “lesser people,” it’s been nothing but concessions and givebacks since Carter took office. Carter wasn’t a complete traitor, but the DP goons worked him over till he had nothing left. Then came Reagan, and Obama today sits to the right of Reagan.
BTW —
a) Nothing about this up on TruthDig.com yet.
b) Wonder how Digby will weasel herself around this one?
c) Here’s what Katrina Vanden Navel-gazing has up at The Nation:
By putting cuts to Medicare and Social Security on the table as part of a debt ceiling deal, President Obama could undermine his presidency and party. (Written by Ari Berman)
Could undermine his presidency and the party?
Ya think?
I am so sorry for you to have this pernicious illness. You know in spades what dropping $4 trillion or so out of the appropriations means. I am old and poor and certainly paid my government entitlement insurance premium also. I can only hope when I was younger I was not as selfish as Obama and this crowd of Republicans and Blue Dogs.
LOL, you owe me NOTHING.
Besides, the t-shirts wouldn’t fit my fat ass anyway.
Just keep on keeping on Jane.
Also, this post was better than any t-shirt could possibly be.
Thanks again.
Pete Peterson wants to steal the whole social security trust fund. It’s the big scam Pete Peterson has been plotting for decades.
Excellent work Jane, please do not stop!!!
Are we, as progressives / liberals, ready to draft Russ Feingold yet?
I have been reading FDL six years(!) this month – I don’t reallty have anything to contribute these days so I lurk – but both my partner and I are members
we are members because this is the place where I read IN EARLY 09 of this very scenario coming to pass
if you are not yet a member and have the means, please consider supporting FDL and all it’s vital work
I don’t mean to take this out on you but I get so sick of hearing progressives bleat how something is impossible before they even try. Right now over 40% of the country is independant affiliated. That means over one third of the country is sick to death of both parties.
http://independentvoting.org/
With that number of people disenchanted (over 1 in 3) you have just as much chance of getting a third party in as the other 2 parties getting their votes. People just have to resolve to ignore the corporate media and keep pushing.
Thanks, Jane, a very well-written and overwhelmingly sad piece.
I’m afraid I’m much more pessimistic. The problem is so much more than just Obama, though. We’re witnessing the long slow decline of the U.S. as, if not a superpower, a country where the government actually was of and for the people. Our voice has been effectively muted, and smothered, over the past 25 years.
Instead we’ve become a nation of super consumers whose appetite must be fueled by energy. The guy in the White House can’t do anything more about it than either you or I. Those energy requirements (and it’s so much more than just cars on the highway), and the payment thereof, are costing us more and more, so much so that we invade countries to ensure its delivery. And to pay for those wars, we have to sacrifice programs designed to uphold and/or enhance social welfare. It’s not just social security and medicare-look at the decimation of education budgets, environment, just about anything having to do with quality of life. There’s only one way for this all to end.
All countries come and go. That’s a fact. I just wish it didn’t have to happen during my children’s lifetime.
I’ll help.
Which part of Democrats are right wingers too do you not understand?
4cdave87
I think some one ruin OBAMA little KABUKI dance here.
Shock Docrine always works best at the last second.
Obama can’t let the idea of him killing Social Security sit out there until 8-2-2011
You have been a very vigorous contributor over the years, great posts and comments.
(((((cbl)))))
I have for the past 10 yr or so been an active worker in our local and state Democratic Parties. I can tell you; Obama ha no interest in a strong Democratic Party. He wants his own cult. The big project coming up he is pushing is for all the local parties to have big celebrations of his birthday. You know like the guy in Korea or the Queen. He has offered nothing in the last election cycles in the way of support of state or even statewide federal candidates. All his people talk about is mobilizing the African Americans, the Hispanics and young people with phone and twitter banks.
Lord! how I wish someone would primary him. — but she/he would probably be rendered to some ship at sea or drone targeted.
Soylent Green factories are the answer.
Obama needs to propose and implement nationwide Soylent Green factories. ASAP.
It probably has to be a government program due to the possibility of lawsuits against private entrepreneurs (You did what to my depressed kid?), so it’s a JOBS program while also providing low cost PROTEIN for the masses and the elderly poor. With the cuts, a low cost food source will be absolutely necessary. Same for the having that vast army of the unemployed serving as the reserve employee pool.
Now is surely the time for such an endeavor. If not now, when? We must bring down the debt and bring down the number of people needing government assistance.
Hey, win-win-win: Jobs, food, and a way for the poor to sacrifice themselves to the greater good.
Orin Hatch* did say on the floor of the Senate that the poor need to sacrifice more, so, given they don’t have much money, why not let them, indeed urge them, to sacrifice themselves entirely? Body and soul? Hearts and minds?
And there’s more! Burial costs are avoided and cemeteries won’t fill up as fast! Maybe some job losses for gravediggers, profits lost to funeral homes, but what an upside: Jobs, low cost protein, and, maybe, profits the government can apply to the national debt. And there must be some side products, such as fertilizer, some minerals, tallow, etc., which can also be sold. It’s win-win-win-win! OMG, I forgot about organ harvesting! Hey, another profit ccenter!
C’mon, Obama, what’s not to like? You totally screwed up with your way too small “stimulus” package, and you totally fucked up by extending the Bush tax cuts. Now here’s a way to regain momentum, dude! Make some good use of all those poor folks you kicked under the bus. Leave a long term legacy with your Obama Soylent Green Program. It’ll outlast those piker programs by FDR and LBJ you want to get rid of. This will really change the conversation, way more than that Twitter fest.
*Thank you for your inspiring words, Sen. Hatch. Republicans ought to love this scheme: It will mostly lower the number of Dem voters. Hey, for Repubs it’s win-win-win-win-Big Win (electorally).
202-456-1414 Let Obama know how you feel. They seem to have brought in extra people to answer the phones; my call was picked pretty fast.
I called the WH comment line with this suggestion. The woman taking my call merely said she would relay my suggestion to the president. Heh.
right back atcha (((Boo))) – will always remember the patience of some guy named Casper back in those 12 comment posts :D
Well said and quite agree.
Thanks, Jane, for your usual cogent post. sigh… what. a. mess.
“We had to destroy the village in order to save it.”
I think the seniors need to chill out. Someone had to pay for those tax cuts for billionaires.
Bu-bye, Obama. Enjoy your tax cuts when you hit the lecture circuit.
Since Citizens United, do you really think they care about our piddley contributions?
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I did not know they were basing their hysteria on anticipating the redistribution of assets being re signed
but let’s be clear, congress had nothing to do with this, all obama had to do was decline signature.
Any bets Obama like Ryan won’t have a plan to reduce the National Debt but instead will give the rich a tax break?
Jane lives in DC.
No representation of any kind in the US Congress there.
Am I off the mark in suggesting a draft Elizabeth Warren to challenge Obama in the primaries? I would love to see Bernie Sanders make a run for the Oval Office but I believe his age and proclivity would preclude such a run. Therefore, I agree with the suggestion that we not support, financially and with our vote, any politician who buys into Obama’s nonsense.
Sorry for the O/T.
Everytime I click on the word “comments” on the front page (something I’ve done a million times before), instead of taking me to the comments of the post I’ve clicked on, it takes me to something called “Speed Burner” or something like that.
Is this intentional?? Only me???
Or at the very least, a good chance to scare the holy hell out of a large number of political hacks. Start slinging a voting bloc of that size and see how fast it gets their attention. In my mind, that’s more than enough justification to redouble the efforts.
attention archive divers:
there were two posts by Jane wrt Rahm taking the WH gig, it’s the second one, after the official announcement wherein Jane alludes to this very scenario
there was also several comments by Jane about Obama’s sight’s set on SS in early HCR debate posts
Here’s Digby’s take.
She’s pretty upset.
He did give strong hints he was going to do this, at least back to the Iowa primary. And he was against real health CARE reform from before he announced his run.
We have been bamboozled (I thought he would not be very good, but I had not idea he would be this incredibly AWFUL as president); we have a stealth Republican in the Oval Office under a false identity as a Democrat.
I am very depressed right now. There are people who will die before thier time due to his actions against Medicare and SocSec. He’s already let people die from his waivers on Medicaid.
What we’re watching is the death of the Democratic Party. Or, at least the Democratic Party as most of us have known it. The one that has taken its identity in the modern era from FDR and the New Deal, from Keynsianism and the social safety net.
Get serious Jane. That Democratic Party died at least 15 years ago when the great triangulator declared that the era of big government is over. If not long before. Anyone that thinks otherwise has been in denial for at least that long. The country – and the Democratic Party – began their slide into the abyss under Nixon. Reagan and Reaganism sealed the deal. And the people that have suffered the most – and will continue to – voted for their fate every step of the way. After spending 30 or 40 years stripping the wealth from the middle class and re-distributing it upward, the country now wants to transfer the burden of health care and retirement off the backs of those that received the money – can’t tax the job creators you know – and onto those that had their wealth demolished by the the very same folks. The entire debt bogeyman – whether it be SS, Medicare, Medicaid – whatever – is not about debt per se – it’s about who is going to pay. And it’s clearly not going to be the owners. The debt deal – whatever it looks like – will do nothing to lower the actual cost of health care, it will just transfer far more of the that cost to those that can least afford it – mostly the elderly since they’re the biggest consumers of health care. But no worries – they’re old, right, so who cares? After all, none of the now non-old will ever be old themselves right? Anyone who doesn’t have a net worth well into 7 figures who ever again votes for anyone who goes along with this deserves what they get. Unfortunately those of us who won’t will get the same regardless of whether we deserve it.
I’m with you, but I’m an outlier statistically.
Perot won about 20% of the popular vote, but we still have the dreaded Electoral College to contend with.
Game theory is a kind of hard subject, and I do not fully understand it, but the leaders of the Democrat and Republican Parties seem to have it down cold. Independents need someone like that in their camp, is where I was going.
And we do need to start removing incumbents no? You don’t like the idea of taking corporate cash out of politics?
PS, I’m not really a progressive either. I’m an American who has a sense of what will make the country stronger Democracy and what will turn us into a Jesus Freak Slave Camp. I also like to call that a Christian Iran were economic slavery or debt servitude rules the roost.
LOL, that’s right, the SOB will be 50 on August 4th. I bet he joins AARP and starts thinking about collecting Social Security and having Medicare rather than his crappy employer-based insurance… Oh wait… ; )
Now you’re speaking for me, and for most of the people of this nation. Thank you.
To reiterate:
Try clearing your browser cache.
And another benefit: Soylent Green tastes like chicken…
Thank you for speaking out. I am a Democrat and a senior on Social Security and a small pension (I lost a 401k due to disability). I am furious. The only thing that keeps me from changing to Independent is my desire to exact revenge against Democrats in the voting booth – in primaries and general elections, etc. I have no weapon other than my vote. I have been unsure about joining FDL because FDL has seemed to be overly loyal to the Democratic party (see healthcare) in the past. I am a progressive (I cringe at the word these days) who feels utterly betrayed. We need another party which represents poor and middle-class Americans, as well as the prosperous. I do think that there are many others like me.
You completely missed my point. The idea isn’t that our federally elected Dems need MY support, they need the support of the party organization — folks like TalkingStick. If I can call my local state rep, senator, governor, mayor, you name it and tell them that the Democratic Party needs to get O and our federal congress members by the short and curlies and tell them what they can and cannot do, then maybe there is hope.
My whole point is that ordinary citizens have been ignored by our so-called representatives in D.C. for so long, that I cannot imagine how it will be different this time. However, if we can get the party apparatus to turn on its national leadership, then I do think there is some hope of success.
It’s been said for years that only a Democratic President would be able to dismantle Social Security and Medicare. It seems the Republican Party has found a willing one.
It always amazes me that someone who benefitted from the social saftey net has no clue about what it means to so many Americans. Social Security was started because Americans got sick and tired of seeing so many older Americans being subjected to the indignity of begging and living on the streets. Medicare was started because of the inability of many older Americans to get medical treatment. I guess all of this is now acceptable. Next step will be government sponsored euthanasia. Can’t pay your bills? No place for you in America.
It hard for me to comprehend how these people can call themselves Christians. They sure invoke their Christian beliefs when it is convenient. I’m a lapsed Catholic myself, but I sure remember being taught that Christ said: “What you do to the least of mine, you do to me”. I wonder how they’ll justify all the crap they are about to bring down?
I can’t bring myself to vote for a Republican, but I’m not voting for Republican light in November of 2012 either.
When I saw the headlines this morning, I felt overwhelming sadness, and helplessness. Even knitting together some kind of coalition of progressives, idependents, seniors, and conservatives (the three sane ones), to oppose this would be an exercise in futility. Our society started down this road too long ago to turn back now.
I’ve been suggesting we who are still registered as Democrats begin an organized De-Register as a Democrat Drive. I’ve been saving up my de-registration so that it makes an impact when I do it.
We need a lefty-blog wide approach to puttng this together and getting it known blogosphere-wide.
It should involve getting copies of one’s Dem registration and the following independent or whatever party is chosen registration. Send copies or email to your state Dem HQ, representatives, Obama, the DNC.
A few hundreds will not impress our DC Dems. A few thousand probably won’t. But 10′s or 100′s of thousands? That just might get their attention.
Is it doable before Obama sells us out? By when? Ideas? How to implement?
A database would be nice, too…might help with the needed third party.
OK sheeple. What part of this do you not understand yet?
Do you still think he is a Liberal? Do you still think he has a secret plan to defeat the Republican cabal and save the country? Do you still think he has the well-being of the people at heart?
Obama is a moderate Republican. From his behavior and his associations with the banksters and industrialists in the last two years, one can only infer that he wants to be part of the future oligarchy and cares nothing for the rest of us.
Thank you for the explanation! I’m swamped on 3 sides today, so my head is a muddle.
Thank you Jane for all that you are doing. May you please give me talking points to share with my friends on Facebook about this? My friends are between 25-35 years old. They supported Obama. I have tried to educate them about all the lies/manipulation Obama et al. have done since being elected, but they still have “hope” in him. Can you or other please help me in trying to help them see the light? Especially, this travesty on how Obama is trying/going to cut Social Security/Medicare. Thank you.
I think that answers the question of whether Obama was an inept wimp or a secret Republican. The Republicans put on a good show of partisan vitriol to disguise the identity of their mole.
No worries : ) If you didn’t get it, then others didn’t either. I’m often not as clear as I think I am ; ) So thanks for making me give it another try!
Welcome brand new user Marvin. So happy to have you. What is it that made today the day you and so many others tribalists decided to join FDL and spin the “oppose Obama on this and you put Sarah Palin in the White House” line?
Signed the pledge and threw $25 in the pot. These fuckers need to know we mean business, and they need to know it NOW.
Here’s a suggestion: while we’re waiting for a primary challenger to Obama, the formation of a third party, an asteroid to hit earth, here’s something you can do.
Everyone out there, except for those who live in Canada [lucky you] or DC [not so much] has two US Senators & a Congressperson. Yes, yes, I know, they’re worthless toads, sell-outs, stupid, etc.
But the next news story should be how Congressional offices were INUNDATED by protest communications from constituents.
So, go buy 3 postcards. Address them to your senators & congressperson. All you have to write is how much you oppose Obama’s attack on social security, and how you’ll be watching to see how your senator/representative votes. [Note: this will only work re writing to YOUR Senators or Representative. Non-constituents don't matter.]
You do not have to be lengthy
You do not have to be eloquent.
Just send in the damn card. Or a letter.
And phone the office — both in DC and in your state/district.
Send an e-mail. [Google the folks; go to their site.]
As with public opposition to Vietnam, it’s the numbers that will count. Even idiot Republicans are going to be scared of a riled-up bunch of voters.
Do it. Get others to do it.
For the cost of 3 stamps, you can have an effect. Maybe not a “win,” but an effect.
We can then decide where to go next.
Addendum: while petitions are a way to lump together a large number of signatures, incoming mail @ Congressional offices really does get attention, particularly if it’s a) not robo-generated; and b) there’s a whole lot of it.
Agree 100%. Same game as always. Both parties make it appear there’s a crisis that must be agreed upon immediately. The Bad party refuses to agree on anything while the Good party pretends it has no choice but to keep moving right-ward to reach a “compromise”. The president and blue dogs take the heat, the gooder guys in the Good party pretend they are outraged and won’t support it. A few days-weeks go by, it passes, and everyone in the Good party tells us how great the deal was or the best they could do under the dire circumstances (that they created).
This is a common malady among the upwardly-mobile. Since they made it, anyone can. If someone doesn’t make it, it can’t be the fault of the system, it must be their own fault.
Success (in the status/class/money sense) blesses your choices, your actions, and the system in which you live. It makes you a conservative – someone who will defend the status quo in which you prosper.
Absolutely right. As Jane pointed out “Progressive Democratic “leaders” like Raul Grijalva will fold once again like a house of cards if need be — and they know it.”. Of course, and they will vote no, but only when it is safe to do so, when Nancy has done Obama’s bidding and it is all tied up nicely. Plausable deniability for their base. We have to put all democrats on notice.
Jane, is there some visual we could employ to get their attention? What if we emailed and faxed photos of the ‘catfood, it’s what’s for dinner’ logo along with some personal message scrawled across it? Mine will be: It’s a REVENUE problem! Tax the godsdamn RICH!
You said it better than I did
Agree with the the way the negotiations are leaning, 100%. Finally focusing on fixing systemic problems on the revenue side and the spending side while at the same time addressing actual spending and revenues. The republicans are coming out and saying they will help fix the loopholes. The dems are finally admitting that SS is unsustainable and that Chained CPI is a much better COLA measure for senior citizens.
Let’s get those fixes in place while addressing the fiscal realities of cutting spending and increasing taxes, or we’ll just be sailing the same leaky boat.
What you posters don’t seem to realize is that changing to a MUCH MORE REALISTIC CPI measure is that it saves spending cuts that would have to made in other programs.
Makes sense to me.
I agree. But I think we also have to make an appearance. I’m a chickenshit and am a terrible public speaker, but if I knew I wasn’t alone who knows WHAT I might feel empowered to do or say?
It is democrats who have hammered these final nails in democracy’ coffin…. as Jane says succeeding where Bush failed and blaming the GOP all the way while crying how much worse it would be if the likes of a Palin prevailed.
Worse than what? Obama’s corporate Chicago cronyism along with the excelerated policies of the previous administration – in some cases on steroids – I am at a loss to understand how more dreadful our body politic could be.
Jane @ 130 is funny.
I cannot help but have one thought about the tenor of the coverage on Obama and austerity as I cruise around and read other stuff now.
This is what the banks want. That is why this is happening. Period. The banks want austerity to loosen up money supply that flows to the government to them. This is a natural progression from the inability to think up even more profitable ways to make money in banking. They can’t think of any more fees. The real economy is stagnant. What’s left?
Huge money flows to public welfare programs, that’s what.
This is only about what the banks want, period. Also too.
Ding ding ding! That is exactly what will happen.
It’s a double-edged sword, really. You want to give the ones that feel threatened the opportunity to do the right thing, but you also create a “rotating villains” opportunity to let the vulnerable ones off the hook while the secure ones take the heat for them.
I don’t know the right answer. But as we’re looking at next steps, that may well be it.
I want to get a bunch of senior citizens to sit on the steps of Congress and eat catfood, but I hear the gray panthers aren’t that radical any more.
Or maybe in front of Nancy Pelosi’s house. That’d go over well in San Francisco.
As far as what to do:
1. Stop voting for these 2 parties, but make it visible and clear why you are not. Staying home means nothing to them. They’ll just tweak their campaign and rhetoric to whatever groups they think will still be voting in large numbers. Vote for an existing 3rd party. Green or Socialist. And/or protest the vote the day of the vote. Protest the president and Democrat speeches, but of course in a manner it’s clear you’re not a Tea Party goon.
2. Stop supporting organizations that talk the talk but always serve the interests of both parties. Unfortunately, this is the state of the big union in the US. Groups like Move ON and of course OFA. We have to rally behind, join, create alternatives to these. They suck up activism and turn it into support for the Democratic Party and restraint in saying or doing things that counter the direction of the party.
3. Greece. The people in the streets didn’t stop the IMF and ECB from holding their country hostage and getting what they wanted from the government, BUT they are fighting their asses off resisting it. It won’t be easy to stand against the wealthy who control the whole show and their puppets and slaves in our governments. But there is no magic silver bullet to make everything right. We have to keep fighting and not let this continue.
Oh, I agree. And I wanted to edit my comment to add “organizing public demonstrations.” But got there too late.
But again, this is something we can do right now, today.
It’s easy. Just a couple of sentences to convey your complete outrage. And utilize the many forms of “communication” available to you [e-mail, snail mail, phone calls] to multiply your effect. Get others involved in this simple action as well.
There hasn’t been an outpouring of voter rage since the Tea Party bs. We could make this a news event.
Hey girl, I’m 58 and hungry enough for change that I might just take you up on it!
As a recipient of SS and sometimes colas for some years I can tell you that doubling what it is now would only begin to approach “realism.” It mostly includes computers and new cars — a fantasy for most of us — and omits food and energy inflation. Then they half it and call it a cola. The solution to keeping SS solvent is to match the payroll tax with inflation of salaries of the fortunate.
Austerity means there will be LESS spending and LESS money flows, not MORE. It’s probably the last things the banks want.
Also too.
: ) I can’t wait…
And in the meantime, I’m taking Mauimom’s advice. I’m getting postcards, lots of ‘em and sending them to every elected and local Dem party official I can think of…
I think it is a great idea. And I still think the catfood logo is too good to ignore. I’ll send a photocopy with handwritten note.
Those gd ratbastards.
Because you speak for so many of us, Jane, we need to provide you with a larger platform and louder megaphone in order to reach more of us! What would you suggest?
Jane Hamsher for President in 2012!!
I’m offering this suggestion as someone who worked on Capitol Hill handling constituent mail [mumble, mumble - note the reference to Vietnam] years ago. But my daughter worked in a Senate office 8 years ago, and the matrix is still the same: they may not read or care what you say, but the numbers hit them.
Catfood logo = great idea.
Jane, how about drawing up a “divorce petition” in which we disassociate ourselves from the Democratic Party? On the grounds of abandonment and irreconciliable differences. Then serve copies on prominent Democrats.
“the fortunate”? They just lucked into their jobs? Just happened to do well in school, took a “lucky” risk in investing in themselves and making returns on those investments?
You know, I heard about a LOT of people who were “fortunate” enough to trip into Harvard, or med school, to took the right IT classes in school. Others were just unlucky enough to decide they wanted to be history majors, or music teachers, or were somehow forced to major in romance languages (with a minor in “communications”).
I know one guy who THOUGHT he was enrolling for a Latin class and someone mistakenly signed him up for applied mathematics. He figured, what the heck, stuck it out, and then oops, came up with an algorithm that improved the performance of a new heart valve design. Made millions by being “fortunate”.
Who was it that said “the harder I work, the luckier I get”?
Fortune indeed.
I’m at work — but I called my Mom and gave her the Congressional Switchboard number, and she’s calling all the folks in her senior citizens group to ask them to call their congresspeople and protest.
Mom and I are New Deal/New Frontier Dems — but I don’t think we’ll be voting for Dems in 2012…
I’ll do the postcard thing this weekend.
I’m retiring at the end of this year, so I’ll have plenty of time to volunteer next year for whatever candidates FDL decides to back.
I have to say most of my age peers are pretty given out if they ever had much understanding of the value of the safety net. It will have to get a lot worse before getting active. They don’t believe that nice Mr. Obama would let them down.
Most are more pre-occupied with all those doctors and hospitals making so much money cheating Medicare and all those Latinos getting educated and single African American women cheating non-existent welfare. The GOP has been highly successful in dividing and convincing us that cuts will only affect those who don’t deserve services.
Don’t worry! Te churches will take care of the poor, complete with an avowal to their Christ.
Now, if I were a drinking womon, and could afford it, I’d go use my last SS check for some REALLY GOOD single malt….but I’m already sick enough, thankyouverymuch
I guess I just don’t understand how the money supply shrinks, or that we’re paying creditors back faster or something. Well, then this makes absolutely no sense for anybody. Then it’s just pure ideology. I can’t buy that.
As Jane has noted in the past, Obama announced his intention to “reform entitlements” four days before his innauguration:
The keynote speaker at that summit was to be none other than Pete Peterson, but that got derailed.
It is so good to have something, anything, to sink our teeth into. I think activism is like any other exercise. If we continue to sit on the couch, our muscles forget what it feels like to move! Remember how much fun it used to be to just…plain…run!
The last thing you do during an austerity program is pay creditors back faster.
You go!!! This is terrific, and exactly what needs to be done!!
There’s more, obviously, but scaring them is the first step.
I take it since you think everyone in a good job earned and deserves it. If that is the case when your money goes away whether from loss of job, Wall Street gambling or illness it will be evidence of your worthlessness?
Obama briefs the Press:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/07/07/president-obama-finding-balanced-approach-deficit-reduction
5:16EDT
“Everybody acknowledged that the issue of our debt and our deficit is something that needs to be tackled now. [snip]
And everybody acknowledged that there’s going to be pain involved politically on all sides, but our biggest obligation is to make sure that we’re doing the right thing by the American people, creating an environment in which we can grow the economy and make sure that more and more people are being put back to work.”
Political Pain????????
I have to point out that David Brooks talked to four (not three) senior administration advisers in March 2009, but that Brooks inferred the part about entitlement reform. Here is a link to the article and the relevant portion:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/opinion/06brooks.html?ref=opinion
(My bolds, Brooks’ Italics.)
Now that I reread it, maybe Brooks just inferred the part about raising taxes on the bottom 95%.
Good idea. Of course, they completely ignored it when we did in opposition to Sam Alito’s confirmation.
I stayed up half the night sending faxes, they’re mailboxes were full and their phone boxes were too, there were so many faxes they could barely get in their offices and they STILL confirmed the motherfucker.
I wonder what MoveON is going to do?
It’s really time to stop supporting these sellouts….all of them.
Orrin Hatch: The ‘Poor’ Should Do More To Shrink Debt, Not The Rich like him
I think that is why the Pledge is so important. It tells them that we are no longer the battered spouse.
I couldn’t have said it any better. I posted on this site and others when Obama sold out on the public option, that wouldn’t be his last betrayal. I got attacked on these sites as an Obama hater. No, not a hater, just a realist. You see I watched as Obama said one thing in public and another in private, such as, when he sent a representative of his campaign to Canada to reassure them ahead of his address in Ohio about NAFTA not to pay attention to what he says, it’s just campaign rhetoric. Also, when he praised Reagan in a Nevada newspaper, I saw the writing on the wall then.
I warned my family and friends what I expected his presidency to be, but also prayed I was wrong. Unfortunately I was right. I too remember that report from March 2009, and warned people then this report was true. Again, unfortunately I was right. I emailed Carl in the Morning radio show in December 2010 that the deal Obama cut with the right signaled the new term, austerity, was now part of our lexicon. I also wrote that this left only one place for Obama to go, and that was to continue with spending cuts, and cuts to our cherished social programs. Again unfortunately I was right.
What’s really unfortunate is the people who caused this catastrophe, and robbed the American people with the TARP program are now set to pull the plug on the middle and lower classes in America who are on life support at the moment, and who caused none of this mess. It’s their time to put the death nail in our coffins, and they get to do it with the help of a so-called Democratic president. How much better could it get for the GOP and thier rich benefactors. Where do Americans turn when the party known for protecting the middle and lower classes can no longer be counted on to do so?
Oh, no, not working during the weekend! That is going to positively ruin their golf schedule.
I am so pissed off! What kind of a world am I handing to my 2 year-old granddaughters? Do I want their dad to have to pay to support me when Medicaid can’t pay for nursing home care? Will there be an ocean that still supports marine life or is even able to produce oxygen any longer? I am mad as HELL at Obama and the so called Democrats!
Not sure about the Grey Panthers (I just joined them recently to check them out) but the Raging Grannies are.
What good is Daylight Saving Time without gettin’ to the links?
Your mentioning med school really pulled my chain. I am an MD and I was damned fortunate and beholden to the taxpayers of my state and later federal taxpayers (via the NCI) for being able to pursue a career I loved and flourished in.
The only thing I brought to the table was being white and English speaking, an interest in the subject and a sufficient IQ — a bequest of the fortunes of nature. (through no action on my part or that of my ancestors.)
I mention race because at the time I entered school in the south it was almost impossible for an African
American to find a school that would accept him/her.
I was damned fortunate for all of that but most of all the awareness of the treasure inherent in each human on this earth. Do you have that awareness?
I’m crying — some wonderful person saw my post about wanting to be an FDL member…and they bought me a membership.
Thank you — it really hurts to see worthy causes and not have the money to spare to donate.
Believe me, when I can, I will do what every good Buckeye does: Pay it forward.
Perhaps postcards with wording that states we will not support nor vote for any Democrat who DOES NOT VOTE AGAINST cuts to social programs….not who supports the cuts but if they do not actively vote AGAINST them.
A third pary presidential candidate is unlikely to win an election especially due to the electoral vote system. That said a third party can pull together a lot of like minded people to run for congress. A strong enough group in congress can help pass or secure the things we need until we get a person we can support. Just saying. IF this goes down the way it is being portrayed, Obama will never get my vote and, to tell the truth, maybe not another democrat.
Hey, OFG! I just got that Burner thing too…
You’re God Damn right we’ll fight. We may even lose this battle, but we will definitely win this war.
Well, be still my beating heart! It is Ms. FDL herself, Jane Hamsher. If you’ve seen my posts over last week you may be wondering, “Who is this guy?!!”, but I assure you Jane I am a fan of yours. You’re the reason I even came to FDL-I saw you on C-Span and before knowing anything of your or FDL’s repuatation was intrigued and thought I must check it out. It intrigue me more to see that you were born in Fitchburg-I lived there for a number of years.
As far as your push here, I mean I don’t disagree with you that I don’t want cuts in Social Security or Medicare but I still haven’t really seen the plan and just what the “cuts” are so I remain in a feeling that I will trust the President or at least see what it is before condemning it.
While I would have no problem letting every politician know my displeasure-once I get a better handle on what the “cuts” amount to and for that matter what the “revenue raisers” in the form of “closed loopholes” the Repugs have even hypothetically agreed to-I admit I can’t bring myself to do anything that will hurt the election chances of Obama or any Democrat unless there is another more progressive Democrat (I won’t vote Green or Socialist or any other 3rd party ever) waiting in the winds who I like and can win in this cycle. I absolutely don’t accept that it makes no difference and that basically conceding the next few election cycles to the Repugs is a strategy I would ever pariticpate in. Judging by the early election in Ny and the recalls in Wisconsin or elsewhere I actually think 2012 may be a great year for the Dems. Try reading Ari Berman as a counterrwight to all the pessimism
I admit part of me wonders about the rumors that you are a closet R with the ultimate racket-a liberal who targets every liberal who you claim is not liberal enough, at one time even Bernie Sanders seemed to qualify as this during the HCR debate and Audit the Fed-all of which does nothing but help GOP chances in the long run. Not saying this is true, but I can’t help but wonder. I mean with all the cloak and dagger about DNC operatives wouldn’t this be the perfect forum for RNC operatives where no one seems to even consider them as a threat and where in a climate where everyone seems willing to believe the worst about Obama and the Ds he can easily plant any lie and give it a warm reception.
Still your point is correct that for years(starting with the Reagan Revolutino) the conservatives keep marching and the libs keep retreating. Still, I know you were never a fan of HCR-to understate-but I still say, look at history: the Democrats had been trying to pass health care since FDR, Hillary tried in 93, that failed and it was almost 2o years till we even had a chance again. I can’t lie to you I never got ur preference to simply have no bill other than “Obamacare.”
I mean ok it still leaves 20 million uninsured but it would still insure 32 million. Isn’t the new bill with 20 million uninsure preferable to the previous status quo fo 53 million? Was the bill really so terrible that it was worth making the 33 million that would be newly insured wait another 20 years?
I just looked at Kos, and the story is not a Big Deal, it looks like. Most of the comments I clicked open were ‘what a cool cucumber! He’ll get a deal; Republicans are blinking! Best President Ever! Seriously.
Just Obama’s comments at the post-meeting presser; nothing I found on the NYT and WaPo ‘Grand Bargain’ stories.
Ms. Hamsher tells the real story like few do. Obama is leading this nation out of the ditch and into the abyss. We desperately need a new political party. Though common wisdom suggests that puts us (actually leaves us) in the wilderness for a while, I suspect that we have such an imminently massive train wreck ahead of us that it may be viable sooner than we think. I’m done with Democrats and if there is no progressive party candidate I’ll vote Republican – at least let the party that is proud of it’s creepiness get credit for the destruction.
Keep on eye on Obama’s approval numbers among self-identified Democrats. They’re fine, in the 80-85% range. They never really move, no matter what fascist crap he pulls.
The rich people in suits on cable screaming at each other like to paint dKos (if they mention it at all) as the far left, but really they are pretty mainstream. Just more interested in politics, so they post on a political blog instead of TMZ.
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=8204 is a game theory course – but note the starting point is the participants view of where their self interest lies.
The whole thing depends more on psychology – poker – than it does on math (either statistical math or game theory math).
Jane,
I have always believed that the best strategy would be to attack Obama directly with ads on his nefarious actions. I realize that there are enormous costs involved. Yet, I believe there is enough rage, as demonstrated here at FDL, to raise a lot of cash. Many of us contributed to Accountability Now confronting Blue Dogs. Let’s hold Obama accountable.
Thanks for FDL and all you do!
I think you may be puffing yourself up about Jane spending any time ‘wondering: “who is this guy?”.
We get who you are in spades. I never grasped the term ‘Concern ____’ before now.Thanks for the education.
Mods — Clean up on aisle 188.
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Here in northern NJ suboonia, cat food prices have nearly doubled. There are still sales, but fewer and less often.
We need Soylent Green factories! (See Comment 108)
Sure you are.
LOL, you shameless liar, you’re the asshat that wants to rename FDL after Limbaugh. Go away.
Well, the median age of the Kos poster may not be the same as mine. I am 60. This is the ultimate big deal. As I understand this, it’s not some future deal, it would impact every retiree over their entire life adding up to a huge reduction in benefits.
There is NO bigger deal for me. Now, that’s a selfish position but I doubt it’s a very unique position.
I didn’t vote for every Democrat on the Presidential ticket since 1972 so that I could be screwed by the Democratic Party when I retire.
And I DESPISE the spin du jour that they are going to STRENGTHEN Social Security. Up is down. Yes is no. Black is white. Democrat is Republican.
Obama will get another vote from when hell freezes over.
This is the ultimate betrayal.
So, can we get a member of the so-called progressive caucus on here so we can tell him/her that their shit is in the street in no uncertain terms? I don’t want to ask them what they’re gonna do cuz we know the answer to that. I wanna tell ‘em what worthless motherfuckers they are.
Petition signed and sent some dust.
We’ve know for decades that the neoliberals were gonna stick it to us. Now is the time to take a first step in sticking it to them. Got a credit card? Quit using it, pay it off and pay cash for everything or use a debit card. Keep it for emergencies if ya just can’t live without it but for Christ’s sake quit usin’ it to buy groceries and other necessities. Paying interest on money borrowed for necessities is stupid.
We know that it’s gonna take a long time to turn things around and it’s not going to be easy. Gotta start by getting leftists into local and county councils and commissions. Not very glamorous but it will directly affect your life and those in your community.
I know folks get tired of me sayin’ it, but
Never. Give. Up.
And that means fightin’ ‘em until hell freezes over, then fightin’ em on the ice.
Excellent! It’s your “membership spirit” that was shining through ~ congratulations!
Here’s the thing for me. Cut SSMM – -at all — and it makes no difference if Sarah is President or the Tea Party takes over congress. Maybe then, we can work our way back. In the past I was always saying lesser of two evils. Sounded good but now there is no lesser of two evils, the are both evil.
Greenbell, this is what trickledown looks like. I am 58 and had hoped to leave some modest legacy to my child and grandchildren. I’ll be damned if Obama screws them over.
I hear you, 4cdave; but on some more centrist sites, many said this crap would be a deal-breaker for them. I’ve been lurking where I have long cross-posted, and few believe the ‘Grand Bargain’ will happen; that it’s either a feint, a trial balloon, Pelosi will fix it, Republicans will nuke it…
I’m on hiatus there, but I almost dropped in this FDR quote that Digby quoted from one of her past ‘Obama Goes to China’ columns:
“For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away. Nine mocking years with the golden calf and three long years of the scourge! Nine crazy years at the ticker and three long years in the breadlines! Nine mad years of mirage and three long years of despair! Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent.
For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.
We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace–business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.
They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.
Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me–and I welcome their hatred.
I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.”
Not entirely true. If you spend a few days there you’ll notice there are 2 factions that dominate the diaries. One is like much of what you’ll find here, skeptical, not afraid to be critical, the other group aggressively supports the president.
The front page of that site is not where most of the people that visit the site regularly spend their time and I think the front page is often ignored. You’ll find a diary of a story has far more comments in the same time than a front page version of it. I think the front pagers try to play neutral or to both factions and sometimes they hardly seem active at all.
With this, the first few front page posts were more critical of the president, though were careful to point out nothing is 100% certain right now, but the more recent ones are reporting the progressive caucus and Pelosi’s promises as if they can be believed.
This has nothing to do with reelection imo. For obama, this is partially about establishing the grounds for not running for reelection (I can’t win, my base betrayed me after I’ve done so much for them) so that he can get on with his lucrative … and relatively stress free … post-presidency speaking tour. First stop: petey peterson’s.
This will be the pivot point. Next will come the petulance; then the leaks that he wonders if dc is too partisan to this upstanding, well-intentioned man; then some noise that he’s considering not running in 2012; and then, finally, he’ll announce that he won’t. He’ll posture that he was the adult of adults who did what was best for the country and moved on to the private life as an under-appreciated hero. It’s all part of that 89-dimensional chess game that he’s been playing … against us.
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I would echo this idea.
I’m late to this thread but that’s a good idea, thanks to Phred and you for the thought.
Mz Hamsher, it’s incredible to see the truth (however grim it is) in print, from yer own hands on the keyboard.
Yep, it’s likely over . . . yep, things WILL get worse for those of us in our 50′s/60′s when we need medicare and SS the most as we TRY to retire (me and mine will have to work to our graves but hey it keeps ya busy ya know) . . . as Kelly Canfield posited yesterday, nursing home coverage is gonna get cut for medicare . . . where will 80 year old dependent folks go? Besides to die in the streets . . .
Grim as hell, to see it all in print. I have felt like this soon after Obama announced his cabinet picks, and the feeling has grown worse since. But to actually YOU put it into print hammers it home.
Pups, all we’re gonna have left is each other (if we have internet access, which I believe we will lose as we age), and so I thank each and everyone at this forum for their presence and may we all hold each other close . . . perhaps someone has land somewhere we can all gather in one last tribal last gathering and we can die with dignity and honor amongst our like kind.
Bless all y’all.
Now, to the merlot . . . this is cause for a few glasses methinks.
Yes, I think the least we can do for Obama is to help him get his message out to Americans.
Every American, particularly those over 50 or so and getting darned scared about whether they will have enough to retire and enough to last 20 or 30 year, every single American needs to know that Obama wants to cut their Social Security benefits.
What a deal! You have less money every single month for 20 or 30 years and in return, in return, Obama pretends to tax a corporate jet.
Great post Jane. Thank you.
A lot of both I would imagine . . . a lot of both.
- President Harry S. Truman, 1952
Hey, you got moved!
What?!?!?
Did I miss it?
Hell froze over??????
;-)
Pelosi will not exhibit the kind of behavior you or any of us, would like her to. That’s been as well established as Obama’s intent and purpose.
I hope you put that in a diary. That’s it, in a nutshell.
It is a very big deal, greenbell. Even for those younger than we are is should be so. I just don’t understand how many (sorry for the term) Obamabots can dig in further and further the worse Obama’s choices get, and his plans are made clearer.
I’ve been trying to come up with a diary about American Devolution, both spiritually and politically. We are fighting against the unraveling of programs and laws we fought for over many decades. There isn’t one front that is not under assault any more, and the Democratic Party are worse than enablers.
I got a couple emails this morning that were just right:
“Who is the more despicably sinister? The crazed crackpot Republican who defines the conversation and the agenda? Or the “placeholder Democrat” whose only interest is in being deemed more rationally reasonable than the other guy? Imagine what life would be like now if we actually had some Progressive leadership willing to stand in opposition to the insane? Alas, we’ll never know until we get this knob Obama out of the way.”
And this take off on Evan McGregor in Trainspotting:
“It’s SHITE being Democrat! We’re the lowest of the low, the scum of the fucking earth, the most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the Republicans, I don’t. They’re just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We can’t even find a decent culture to be colonized by. We are ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a shite state of affairs to be in, Tommy! And all the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference!’
So okay, they’re thin-skinned wussies. And we’re being p3wned by thin-skinned wussies.
That make us what exactly???”
Sigh. Shudder.
Yeah, I’d like to see the early daze with Christy n Mz. Wheeler added in, then some Jon Walker n David Dayen to round it out. Some Siun for foreign affairs issues like P/Isreal . . . Edward Teller, CTuttle . . . hell of a book it would be. Likely declared terrorist literature long before its release and banned and burned.
Thanks, username; never visit there, so I was easily misguided. ;o)
If ya have to shill for yer product it’s likely got lesser value than the customers you seek want to buy into.
That’s not an “inflection.”
That’s cover for the R’s to accept the D’s complete capitulation while giving an out to those R’s threatened by the teabaggers.
Don’t forget Emptywheel………I love me sum Scooter Libby trials…
It doesnh’t stop at SS. How much more will you pay for medicare? And heaven help those on medicaid, who may longer have any insurance to say nothing of the old ones who may get thrown out on the streets to die.
I just heard Pelosi say that there would be no cut to SS and medicare.
Highly rcc’d.
That’s a relief. I feel so much better. Kind of like when she said there would be no health care bill without a public option.
http://thegreatbigwhorehouse.blogspot.com/2011/07/oh-you-lizard.html
Larue –
Since I posted that I came with the campaign term: Dirty Democrats. We play off the DIRTY DOZEN idea. All for us, or us against ALL of them.
Snarky, good for you.
Seriously, is there any Dem who has stood by his/her statements? Bernie, probably, and of course, he isn’t a Dem. Do we even have the option of Socialist party in many states?
She lied.
Again.
As usual.
Socialist, now that’s a dirty word. We need a few more of them around here.
I just linked this to my facebook with this note:
“Here comes Obama after your social security. I am talking to all you Sonoma Vichy Dems! This man is far to the right of Reagan and he is taking down the middle class.”
I have many well educated, smart friends in Sonoma and I cannot believe that they still support this president. One of them even works in his campaign. She is in the in crowd now and was very proud to have had lunch with Mrs. Obama recently and 400 others. How do I enlighten the enlightened?
I can remember my good christian neighbor kids leaning out the schoolbus window after I got off, screaming, “N-lovin’, Socialist Atheist! You are goin’ to Hell!’
Ah, the south in the 60′s.
Sorry, but for one Obama trumps Pelosi. If he wants to cut/reform it, and assuming she sincerely opposes any changes, he’s going to have much more sway in getting other Democrats to support him.
Second, we’ve been down this road before when she said she wouldn’t support health reform without a public option and then did and told us it’s a good deal, just like much of the CPC did.
Third, the party isn’t exactly full of people with a long history of standing up for the rights of the working and middle class. Most politicians in both parties are career politicians. It’s hard to make it and survive in our political system, where money pulls the strings of both parties and those with the most money win the elections, if you’re a bit too far to the left and actually walk the walk, not just talk the talk, which anyone can do.
Someone a while back said this.
“A republican spits on your pillow after fucking you over. A democrat leaves you a small piece of chocolate”
Yes they would, it would only be a different script.
Dems have rolled over long before Obama came along.
Since Reagan in 1980, we have had 20 years of Repubs, and 10 years of Dem rule, and de regulation and safety net attacks have continued all along, regardless of party affiliation.
History proves it.
No, you don’t get it. Obama will be toxic with a majority of voters who will probably vote a lot of Dem incumbents out of office, but not with Dems who remain in Congress, whose votes Pelosi would need to be speaker. You have to realize the truth that Dems in congress are just as bought and paid for by the corporate elites as the Republicans, and they have little against cutting Medicare, SS and the rest. O’s actions here will not make him toxic to them. The fact that he is pleasing his oligarchic masters may even make them look kindly on other Dems (this just a guess – may well be wrong), including Pelosi.
I just turned 60 two days ago and find the timing of all of this pretty funny (in a not funny way). It is a huge deal. I only hope this is a MUCH bigger can of worms than the administration and overlords are bargaining for…but I fear the media will downplay it and people will let it go. The Europeans keep asking us what is wrong with the Americans, why don’t they go on a general strike and prove their point. Hopefully, this will push us to.
Thorough.
Agreed, that’s the story.
In a nutshell.
Rcc’d.
I like the idea, but it won’t work in Missouri. We don’t register for a party here. At primary time, we simply indicate which party’s primary we’d like to vote in. So I can’t have the satisfaction of un-registering as a Democrat.
Heh, Trump lies.
He has a certitude lack of proven success at much of anything aside from womanizing and divorcing.
You believe the Senate Dem staged kabuki?
Yer badly misinformed as to the reality at hand.
You don’t spell so good.
Never mind yer convoluted bs.
Flag it!
True enough but why say anything at all? Someone could actually believe it. And the more who believe it, the harder to walk it back. Maybe she just doesn’t care, could be but I would not put myself out there like that if I knew it could not happen. Now on health care, there is another debate, I never believed we had that one sold. Maybe, but not so much from my perspective. So I would guess the Pres twisted her arm a bit. She’s not a really big lady, you know.
Let me add my thanks and congratulations Jane. This Lake is an oasis in a political desert. As much as I HATE joining anything you got a new member with this post.
You may be right. I hope not.
Give ‘em hell Adam . . . I lost one parent to Park n one to Alz, late 70′s n early 80′s. Likely was manifesting some 10 years before only they covered it all up one way or another . . . n us kids were clueless of it all. Even their doc’s fogged us up, drugging them for symptoms they either did not detect or obfuscated . . .
I expect both will manifest in us kids (61-55) as we age.
But Huntington’s takes people early . . . wishing you the best with all my heart.
“Soylent Green?”
Sorry, but it’s a simple medical fact that people are just about the worst food for people over the long term… too much similarity in the proteins, too much wonky stuff gets directly transmitted instead of being broken down and reused.
Nope… simple extermination via attrition is the key. That will solve the climate crisis while simultaneously reducing the bulk population to a size more easily managed by our owners.
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
Unfortunately, I don’t believe this.
This seems a more accurate translation. Though they are equally passionate in what they believe, for some unknown reason, the Progressive movement has failed to show the same willingness to act that we saw from the Tea Party.
For me, it’s a mixed bag. I don’t agree with a lot of the political / conspiratorial positions espoused here so I don’t think the country would be better run under a Progressive banner… but on the other hand, I am all about individuals having a voice in how their country is run – and that includes Progressives.
If you are unwilling to take a risk and act in the name of what you believe, no one has to take your voice into consideration – that is, you have already lost. Your voice won’t be heard if all you do is shout.
This shit is far, far beyond political solutions within this system, it’s far too corrupted top to bottom.
It collapses, or the people revolt.
There really are no other options left.
System’s too far gone.
See USSR or ROME for history lessons.
People need to know the truth. You can give Paul Ryan credit for going on the record telling people what he wante to do with Medicare.
It adds insult to injury the way Democrat try to spin a huge benefit cut as “strengthening”. B.S. There is no language too strong for what I feel about being LIED to and CONNED by the party I’ve voted for for 40 years.
They’re very deliberately trying to SCREW the LEAST INFORMED in the FINE PRINT.
This is treating your voters like the banksters treated the poor slobs who signed on to have their home stolen in foreclosure.
It’s wrong. It is HUGELY DISHONEST. This entire process lacks integrity. It treats Americans and the vulnerable elderly like they are just stupid sucker marks in the ultimate con.
This will not be corrected without revolution. Batten down the hatches …
x2
A truly badass rant, Ms. Hamsher. Mr. Empty Suit and his band of fools will have to start sacrificing infants in satanic rituals on the White House lawn before people will see what an evil fucker he is.
I feel your pain. This one is really a breaking point.
She’s saying it to please voters in her district. She’ll be remembered for talking the talk and she’ll be able to rationalize and spin voting for it when she does.
Well, good for you.
Better late than never.
Thank you and thank you for providing me an outlet for my anger but I just so wish I had a political vehicle to express it. I just so need to have a place to put my vote because I want it to be counted. I don’t expect to win anymore but winning isn’t the only reason to vote. You vote to be counted, to be represented. I hope you lend a voice to advocating for some movement or party or candidate where we can go to get counted because I have written and called my representatives time and again and they don’t care.
We need to count, somewhere, even if we lose.
That pretty much sums it all up. The leadership of the Democratic Party’s promises mean nothing, period. And i’m sure that Mike Sax will try to pimp his worthless diary on how we shouldn’t get too worked up about campaign promises because you know, FDR broke all of his, yada, yada, yawn.
Promises. Principles. They do matter to… People.
Except we know Obama and the Dems don’t care about that. Profits for their wealthy masters on Wall Street they care very much about.
well said, bell. I also think that if our votes were counted, we wouldn’t lose.
Heh, an Obama Bot upset?
About time she got the picture.
I use to love her work but somewhere she went all centrist and status quo on proggys. BEFORE Obama.
Maybe she will reinvent herself like Madonna used to.
;-)
Thank you, wc. Good to have you. And whoever said it upthread is right — we have to have a member conference call to talk about this. I wanted Nancy Altman here to join, but she’s out of the country until July 20 (worst. timing. ever.)
Uh, I’d think you’d know most folks, including Mz. Hamsher, know every detail of every word you just posted.
You new here, are ya?
Well Wendy, I know who you are, just another voice in the chorus.
Actually, it’s likely to come in many flavors, including beef, pork, fish, fowl.
Italian, Mexican, French, Americana, CA Cuisine, Asian, Middle Eastern, n all the Central n South American varieties . . . maybe even Russain!
Orders.
Sorry Phred, on this I think yer missing a basic.
They are all corrupted thru and thru, it’s the system.
No way you can appeal to them, any of them elected offals, to do the right thing by us.
They get unelected? They don’t care, they continue to make money as lobbyists.
The systems corrupted, just like USSR or Rome . . . can’t save it, can’t reform it . . . top to bottom, everyone in positions of power be it national, state, regional, county or city . . . all are corrupted.
The system has entrenched itself, fully.
As my dear sweet mother used to tell me: you got knocked on your ass so get up…Obama lied, the Dems lied and we know the GOP are liers,,,do our best to fight back..
Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher are my heroes of the blogosphere. (Jane, if you see this, I’m not blowing smoke. Thank you sincerely.)
Did you watch that embedded George Carlin clip? Carlin is my all-time favorite comedian and I’ve seen that clip before, but this time it resonated even more powerfully than the last time. It was like he just wrote it today.
Grassroots begins when voters Walk into their congressman and senators district offices and tell them hands off social security and medicare/medicaid. Until you are seen and heard……nothing will change
Letters and petitions are faceless. Voters at the district offices does make a difference
I agree fully!
In terms of message sending, from within the system (which I think is futile) this is ONE means to scare some folks. If it don’t work, well, we got nuttin else.
I did mine earlier this year, went to ‘decline to state’ here in CA.
MASS party affiliation switch, n why not appeal to Repubs, in the chance we get to catch a handful willing to do it?
I’d really like to see this movement implemented, and see the results. If it fails, nothing lost, but I wanna see the corporate fascist oligarchy’s reaction to something like this, if it’s nation wide.
It SHOULD shock the fuck out of them, but I’d guess the system will belittle it all somehow to negate it. In the MSM at least.
But if it takes, and tens of millions did it, I bet the elites will take notice!
*evilsmirkinggrin*
Flag this shiller!
Yes! I’m 55+, I’d try n drive to do that.
Can I get some garlic n onion in it?
A lil Merlot to wash it down?
*G*
I think the reality is that things are going to have to get a lot worse in this country before most people wake up and see what is happening. And I mean A LOT worse. So while this may sound like I’m cutting my nose off to spite my fact, I strongly believe the following…
NEVER, EVER vote Democratic again. The party needs to die a fast death.
Vote Republican. In fact, vote for the most extreme Republican you can find. Yes, they’ll do a lot of hurt and damage. But the faster we fall as a country, the faster we can shake outselves out of this mess and rebuild.
Sadly, you are the chorus to Obama, Mike Sax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqsd0WNl8u0
You will soon ask me if I wanted a Sparkle Pony.
My ears are burning. Nice little hit and run. Flattered at your gratutiously throwing me in to the mix.
Thank you, npl. I think Glenn retweeted today something along the lines of “who knew George Carlin was a firebagger?”
Some people will be able to live with themselves looking back on this moment, some won’t. I pledge to make that task as hard as we possibly can for the latter group. No forgetting who stood where when the shit came down.
thought you’d like the plug…
First the NPA shills on this thread, now the PDA.
They are tiresome.
But it’s not good for me – at least, not the side of me that supports individual liberty. I’d like Progressives to matter in American politics (even where I disagree with them) but they seem incapable of making themselves relevant.
“I want to be counted!” Well, that’s nice and all, but it’s not enough nor nearly enough. “I want someone I can believe in who supports my values!” Good luck with that. You are living in a fantasy world if you think your political relevance will come without risk, effort, or sacrifice.
To quote the Bard: “Let’s get off this and get on with it. If you wanna change the World, shut your mouth and start to spin it.”
Btw, I like the idea of a mass movement to de-register as Democrats. And when you do, take an extra moment to photo-copy the registration card… then mail the copy to your Democratic Senators, Representatives and to the White House. A few thousand letters just might make an impression on them.
Uh, that would be Mz. Wheeler.
What chorus Wendy? And you know nothing about me let alone “exactly who I am.” To listen to these posts Obama is so universally hated that Mitt should have the largest landslide in electoral history, an even larger margin of victory than the old Soviet Union-know you don’t like anyone mentioning a socialist regime.
But it probably doesn’t matter. Obama will win wether you don’t vote for him or put every ounce of energy into actually trying to make him lose.
It reminds me of Rush Limbaugh-sorry about the Limbaugh reference, but if the shoe fits…- back in the 90s and all the Rush clones on talk radio hated on Clinton every day obssessing over Lewinskygate. I heard a similar chorus to the anti-Obama line here. And remember that FDL has maybe 100,000 viewers a day, where Rush gets 3.5 million listeners. So with all these millions of people in a chorus of “Impeach Bubba” you might have thought the whole country was against him.
Yet the more the House Republicans pushed the impeachment show trial the higher Clinton’s approval rating got. At the end, during the actual impeachment vote, his approval rating was at 81%
This showed me that a bunch of noisy people whipped up around the same demand-on the radio, and this applies now to the blogs-may never the less be a tiny amount of the American people.
You don’t.
You can’t.
You just wait till they fall on hard as shit times.
Then you approach them.
Till then, well . . .
Oh, PDA, that’s cute. That’s all you have, your pitiful attempts to name call? You are the one who’s tiresome. And why don’t you try not getting personal? Just a suggestion.
I try to keep everything in perspective. Lots have it a lot worse. I could live in Somalia or Gaza.
Obots like John Cole at Feces Juice are still in denial: http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/07/07/white-house-position-on-social-security-is-unchanged/
Amazing, these lemmings are going to go off the cliff no matter what OilyBumblerObomber does. Striking.
Heh, nice touch, thanks!
*scrolltroll2.1*
Yep.
My best wishes to ya.
Awesome, Jane. Awesome.
Well said Jane. I thought the same when I began to hear quotes and discussions and analysis a year ago that Obama intended to reduce Social Security. In the name of what, I still don’t get.
What I thought was that if and when it happened, the Democratic Party would exist no more in both ideology, with a hollowing out of bodies to happen gradually over time. My first vote was for George McGovern. My last vote will have been for Obama I.
The biggest hope is that state parties like WI, OH, and IN will keep the flame going.
All I can say is Ralph Nader is a seer. He’s been vindicated, the old codger! Love you Ralph! Took people 10 years but at least everyone’s waking up.
That’s actually a very good idea. What if we organized local walk-ins to the offices of members of Congress?
At least they’d have to face it.
You are soooo adorable when the smoke comes outta yer earz! I agree he’ll likely be re-elected, but it will cost this nation its soul. I won’t be part of his re-election; to me, it’s an issue of morality. Period.
You can use any rationalizations you want; your choice. Hope ya get the baby-steps ya wuz lookin’ for, or accepted midstream.
Disagree. Even in 2000, the Democrats were quite different from what they are now (corporatists yes, but not part of a fascist conspiracy). Gore was, and is, certainly different. Read his long article on global warming in the current issue of Rolling Stone.
I like Nancy Pelosi. She used to be my Congresswoman. And I have noticed that the weak, the aged and the powerless I see at the demonstrations I go to outside her outside her office like her, too. Nancy Pelosi knows that if the Dems vote for a budget that hurts Social Security and/or Medicare/Medicaid, they’ve lost both the house and the senate, and in order for a budget to pass that hurts Social Security and Medicare, Dems will have to vote for it. We all know how the right wing owned media will play it.
Nope. Security will see to it that undesirables are kept at a distance.
Another FUCKING PETITION ?
Fuck petitions !
STOP voting for these JUDAS assholes.
STOP suporting the corrupt Democratic party.
Obama and the Democrats are as much our enemy as the Republicans.
Nominate someone to run against OBAMA THE JUDAS… NOW as in TODAY! As in RIGHT NOW !
You better find some courage progressives or you will continue to be treated with contempt by those is power.
I’m ashamed of my fellow progressives. STOP BEING COWARDS !
Bravo, Jane, great post. Last year, I changed my voter affiliation from Democrat to Unaffiliated. I had been a registered Democrat for 42 years, albeit a pretty unhappy one for the last 15 or so years of that time, and while I’ll never vote for a Republican, I’ll be going third-party or write-in in 2012, guaranteed.
Hoyer has new spin. Now, they don’t want Social Security “harmed”. When asked to explain, they don’t want Social Securty “adversely effected”.
Doesn’t that just make you feel all warm and cuddly and confident about keeping your Minnesota furnace fueled for the next 30 years?
I do not want lying bankster, used car salemen clunker lies.
If you are going to ask me to give up tens of thousands of dollars in Social Security benefits, Steny, you better be willing to tell me so in big, bold print and say it loud and repeat it often until you are sure that every American approaching retirement knows exactly how big a tax you expect them to pay.
There will be blood.
The Democrats starting going downhill after Carter. Nader documents it because he worked closely in gov’t.
Mr. Obama and the Dimocrats apparently studied political philosophy at the School of Icarian Flight.
Primary Obama, and any other elected officials participating in this madness. Failing that, we should do anything else capable of…well, I’d say ‘breaking the back’ of their resistance against the majority of Americans, but they have no spine to speak of.
Burn them from the sky.
Yes, they started going downhill, I would argue beginning as early as the party’s big Vietnam War split in the 1960s (those against the war tended to be less sympathetic to blue collar, union issues, though they were more progressive internationally). But what was a downhill slope has become a vertical canyon drop under Obama, especially in the last few days. The party is qualitatively different now even compared to what is was under Bill Clinton.
I’m willing to help. Let me know what you need… (Searching archives to make a timeline?)
2 different issues. The Democrats are largely an economically conservative, socially liberal party now. So, they can be for a better environment, LGBT, women’s, minority rights, yet still support weakening the safety net, leaving or increasing tax cuts on the wealthiest, wars abroad, etc. There’s many privatized, corporate-friendly “solutions” for improving the environment and I think Al Gore is more that type of environmentalist.
Jane…the 2012 election could be historic for the emergence of a new political party. Social Security will bring in support from every corner of this country. Can we join with other groups to fight this thing. Run a candidate……recruit the young to help noting that their parents and grandparents are under attack…..could Labor help us with this???
Soon you will be.
Obama’s new campaign ad:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/diannaruggles/obamasocsecad.jpg
Most of the safety nets that we have were installed to quell mass rebellions and to weaken real democracy (people organizing among themselves instead of being powerless spectators who cast their vote, if they even had that “privilege” every so often). Socialism was a real threat to capitalism, so they found a solution to keep capitalism while sedating the public. This happened in most developed countries.
Now socialism is no longer a threat (welfare capitalism is not the socialism the wealthiest are terrified of), people are not organized in any empowering way despite the existence of the Internet (it’s a communications tool, not a substitute for real organizing), so, time to party like it’s 1899 for the rich.
I think if we ever expect to see the safety nets and increasing quality of life we had decades ago, we’re going to have to fight for it, not rely on the charade of elections. Really, we need to turn this whole thing out and get rid of it. No more tyrannical privatized companies, no more easily corruptible, secretive, control-hungry, centralized governments.
accidental double post…
In my lifetime, the Dems have always sucked shit.
Awesome.
I hear you, and after my children’s lives were saved by seatbelt legislation, I have a standing offer to kiss his balls, anywhere, anytime.
Thank you Jane for another excellent post.
While many Dems are only in the middle stages of grief – remorse, anger, depression – I find encouraging final stages here at FDL; reconstruction, acceptance, seeking solutions for a way forward.
First, turn off the TV.
Find common ground with that Independent/R neighbor or family member.
Turn off the TV.
Buy local, bank local, shop secondhand stores.
Turn off the TV.
If you really need the symbolic ritual of “voting”, vote against incumbents, and encourage others, especially I & R’s, that’s the only way to start political change. The invitation-only ballot of Koch & Koch-Lite isn’t really a choice. My dad told me over 25 years ‘vote all the bums out!’ and its just more obvious these days.
And finally, realize each day is a gift and opportunity to improve personally. Yeah, this country and its persona sucks big time right now, but I’m trying not to contribute to its suckiness.
And then turn off the TV (unless Jane is on!)
im a nutritionist,i highly suggest you look into chlorella and spirulina
great brain food…all b vitamins too
Signed!
You know what else Samuel Johnson said, on the subject of women preaching? He said: “a woman’s preaching is like a dog’s walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all.”
This post made me think of this classic quote.
I have not tried catfood yet, but I am game and I am in the DC area. Are there any Raging Grannies (@181) around here? I cannot think of a better use for us.
Now he belongs to the dust bin of the ages.
Now Stevo ur really ticking me off: cause you’re not wrong!
So Jane, when do you utter the words, “It’s time to primary Obama!”
Well Wendy if ur gonna call me adorable I’m prepared to accept it. Let’s see where we all are in 4 years.
probably too late to add the following to this thread so just for documentation;
remember when bush got a bill turned down?
he would come back with an even more radical bill
remember when he got an appointment turned down?
he would come back with a more radical applicant
that man might have been a moron but man could he “negotiate”
obama knows how to “negotiate” and there is no way this is not what he planned in the first place
Hey mods, can we get a cleanup in isle 320? Over the top insult.
Oh goody, a dem (Grijalva, I think)is coming on Rachel’s show to tell us all about how they are not going to cut SS, I think. I knew it, this was all a false alarm. I’m sure his restructuring will not harm anyone.Right?
At least Gore is for some type of environmental solutions. What has Obama proposed?
I drink sweet green ice tea by the bucket, and take Flax Oil (Omega 3) and handful of natural source vitamins from Trader Joes. EPA been shown to counter some of the memory impairment in Alzheimers in rats.
Trader Joes vitamins are made in Canada. Only thing my diet I’m pretty sure is safe.
lol. Yeah, sure.
With its latest grand deal with Tea Party Republicans to gut Social Security and Medicare, the Democrats under Obama have gone way beyond an “economically conservative” party. This is a true fascist conspiracy, and I don’t mean that as hyperbole.
Rachel is giving this a good going over. She reiterates that SS is not broke and medicare costs are not rising as fast as private insurance. Grijalva is on now.
I’ve failed to find the first target. Sorry/
Dang. Just missed it. What did Grijalva say?
Fuck you Grijalva, he seems to say he just wants more of a trade before he caves.
If we’re comparing the 2, I’d take Gore over Obama hands down. However, he chose not to run last election and he supported Obama in the end. My point was Gore would not be in line with Democrats pre-Carter in regards to fighting poverty, reducing income equality, taxing the rich, and so on but would have been closer to the new Democrats, the DLC, or much of the Democratic party as it is now, on those matters, while at the same time he would be presumably pushing harder to help the environment and push green technology (again, presumably).
hahahahhahahahahaahaha…too funny ..you go guy!
you didnt miss much, not very impressive or convincing.
The federal government is trying to secede from the Union, or it’s already done so and has a few more loose ends to tie together. Jane Hamsher can’t stop it. The state governors can’t stop it (their forces are already
deployedoutsourced). A third party will berenderedrenditioned mute and illegal by the SCOTUS. Only the Joint Chiefs can restore democracy. Gulp.In fact, Rachel did not follow through. Too interested in the next story.
The Democrats are largely an economically conservative, socially liberal party now. And I agree most are not against privatized, corporate-friendly or religion friendly “solutions” for improving anything – including the environment.
But the “economically conservative” can only be translated as wanting taxes to be near outgo so no problem passed on to the kids, and to being lazy about even taking time to think about the safety net – I do not believe “economically conservative” implies the party members are FOR any safety net reduction. And yes this is a Clinton/Gore/Hillary approach, with Hillary a bit left of Bill and Gore on policy.
Now Obama is a GOPer that copied Hillary’s positions to get the Democratic nomination – and his plan from day one was to take down FDR – back in 50′s and 60′s folks less kind than myself called folks like him “house N_gg__r’s” – I do not know the proper term that folks are using now, beyond traitor to his party.
please check out the hawaian Spirulina,and chlorella,has helped me a lot
we have to all help one another now ,more than ever..wish my dear dad were here…he was brilliant
Bernie tweeted this
Bernie Sanders tweets: On SS surplus
http://twitter.com/#!/SenatorSanders
Social Security has a $2.6 trillion surplus and hasn’t contributed 1 cent to our deficit.
Yep that is all you have. You are clealry the great hope of Americans in need. You will lead us forward.
Well played. You got to call Obama the N word without calling him the N word
I agree with your last post. Personally, I can live with, and even support, corporate oriented Democrats like Gore. The saddest part of the current situation, to me, is that he and other prominent Democrats without a militarist/fascist agenda are not standing up forcefully against Obama. Why are Gore or Dean, for example, not planning to challenge him in the 2012 primary? (If this were 1968, or even 2000, he would surely have a primary opponent). I have to conclude that the fault lies with the whole party, and not just Obama, and that Obama’s faction exerts rigid control behind the scenes.
Has anyone asked the 14th amendment in reverse? That the debt limit law is unconstitutional and if Obama does not pay the debts he is in violation of the 14th amendment and can be impeached?
Seniors will be fine. We can just feed them wood if we run out of catfood.
Ah there’s the Progressive Caucus Co-Chair we all know and love ; ) That man couldn’t stand on a principle if it was a 300 square mile plateau.
Have I mentioned lately how much I loathe our federally elected Dems? ; )
He leaves himself lots of room to say “I never said that/” whatever “that” is. Fucking ass.
Of course he planned this all along. Catfood Commission? Read his writings and see how much he hates Boomers. He recently said in an interview that he would be fine with it if Michelle told him not to run again. He is not worried about getting votes. This job is too much work. He wants to get on the speaker circuit and get richer doing nothing. Evil Republican.
I’m sorry, I don’t buy Chris Hedges’ leap of illogic. Just because he’s 95% correct, doesn’t mean the remaining 5% is a sure thing. There’s LOTS of things that knowledgeable progressives could be doing to organize, and educate their fellow citizens, which are not like the acts of “resistance” that he has mentioned – and that I think are not productive, efficient ways for activists to focus their energy.
Heck, progressives could even target solid Republican types, in uber-red districts. This would have an indirect effect on the Democratic Party, but I mention it because my suggestions are meant to creatively go after root causes – rather than just whine about them, as if there was nothing that we, collectively, could do about them.
Blogging to the choir isn’t going to do it, even accompanied by online petitions. Neither will “commenting to the choir”, no matter how many exclamation marks one might use in one’s comments, to make sure that nobody doubts the commenter’s sincere anger.
The “blogging to the choir” / “commenting to the choir” phenomena don’t threaten power in the least, as far as I can tell.
Voters visiting the local congressional district offices is a very simple and effective act. The big bad corporate lobbyists understand the primary directive; Face-time with congressional representatives. Yet we the voters have ignored our primary responsibility in a representative government, active participation beyond the voting booth. Constituents neglect a basic responsibility in visiting their offices and actively engage our representatives as to the needs and best interests of the community.
Really, they are there begging for us to visit otherwise they are clueless and left to their own devices and assumptions due to the non-participation of the constituents.
How do I know? Experience. To make a long story short, I walked-in, no appointment and spoke to the Congressional Aide as I needed help in resolving some red-tape issues. The Aide has been enormously helpful….pretty much doing cartwheels and handstands (giving me her card, phone numbers, email, returning phone calls immediately and emails, etc…) plus making many calls on my behalf. At the end of one of our conversations she said, “We are here in the neighborhood waiting for the constituents to come in and so few do. It’s as if they don’t care or don’t know we are here for them.”
Why else do lobbyists hangout at the congressional offices? Face-time.
Here’s the challenge, Stop by at your representatives offices over the next two weeks (local, state, and federal) and introduce yourself. It’s a simple first step in change.
I’d love to hear Jane utter those words, also. And even more than that – progressive Democrats could primary some of Obama’s “henchmen” – Democratic collaborators in Congress.
What would be awesome is if FDL helped organize exposes of con-man Obama, and his henchmen. FDL could ask it’s readership to print out a culled list FDL articles, and distribute them in public places. For example, to motorists, who stop at red lights – a technique used by the very successful reform onslaught in New Brunswick, NJ. This should be tied to at least minimalist efforts to replace them during their primaries. Think Full Court Press, but with candidates recruited from FDL’s readershiop.
I recently found out that using copiers to print material can be done for about 1/10 cent per page (vs. about 5 cents per page for a desktop printer).
I grew up in a suburb, and the biggest public congregations, on a regular basis, were schoolkids and many of their parents. Yet, when is the last time you heard of political activists bypassing the corrupted mainstream media to widely interjecting progressive memes into their neighbors households, via pamphleting schoolchildren and their parents, as I suggested here, e.g.?
Progressives wouldn’t need to go crazy, as they turn from electoral weakness to an aggressive, muscular behavior. They could target, say, 5-10% of Obama’s Democratic henchmen. As progressives learn to exercise their electoral muscles, they can always ratchet this figure, upwards, in future election cycles.
Hardly anybody ever supports the notion, but the most effective way in most all races, to make sure that a Democrat loses in a general election, is to vote for his/ her Republican challenger.
Hey, I can dream, can’t I?
Excellent collection of links. None of this is new from Obama. In fact, it should be possible to go back at least as far as the 2008 primaries, presidential debates and television appearances (such as Press the Meat) and find similar utterances from BHO. At the time, whenever I pointed out what Obama was actually saying, I was assured by his supporters that he “didn’t mean it” and was just saying what he thought the beltway villagers wanted to hear. (It was around that time the acronym of WORM was born, short for supporters telling us “What Obama Really Meant.”)
I don’t think wood is digestible. Why not just feed them cats? That’ll also free up large stocks of catfood, thus driving down the cost.
I mean, who wants to eat cat every day, or catfood every day? Better to mix it up, no?
Good luck Jane Hamsher ….. tough sledding from here on as the deck seems stacked pretty well in favor of the status quo. But I will do what I can!
One BIG hurdle, Scarecrow: Someone will have to sit Pelosi down and explain to her what “moral choice” means.
Thanks Jane, good post.
I’m getting mighty tired of a DEMOCRATIC President flushing 99% of the country down the shitter to save the 1% that put the country in the shitter.
I will not support the Democratic party if that’s what it’s become.
Democrat/Republican is nothing more than the obverse/reverse of the same corporate coin.
Time to let go of the two-party illusion, and commit to what’s next.
Some on Crooks and Liars still think Obama hasn’t said he would cut SS and Medicare. They think the article from the Washington Post is bullshit. How do you convince these people who seem like they will be loyal to Obama to the end. Just sayin!
Welcome to the Lake.
Progressive money will be best spent on GREAT T.V. Commericials. We MUST educate the public. Every poll out there is overwhelmingly in favor of no cuts to ss and med and 82% favor taxing the rich. This is a no-brainer for a smart ad person. I will march in the streets of O’sellout does this one more time as it looks like he will.
I agree. The wars, and we are now engaged in at least six countries, are obviously what created the deficit since tax revenue was never part of the Bush/Obama plan for funding the wars. Unfortunately, the whole mentality of “supporting the troops” pervades not only both parties but most of the population. In fact, the continuing hard times guarantees a steady flow of volunteers from an impoverished working class into the military.
Even so, the continuing appeal of Ron Paul, despite his persistent condemnation of overseas wars, shows that a broad antiwar constituency among working people of all political persuasions could be built – if any elected Democrat other than Dennis Kucinich was interested.
All of the talk about deficits and entitlements from both parties is a smokescreen to justify the militarism to which they are all committed.
If it’s like the last 4 years of Bush’s third term I mean Obama’s first (sorry I CAN’T tell the difference)..why would the next 4 offer ANY hope with O ? It doesn’t. I am here because I don’t put party over country, I am here because I care about the direction our country (the world) is going in. Nobody paid me to be here.
the less spending-power old folks and we crazies have the less political power to, say, combat drug pricing. i’m sure they don’t lobby a lot or anything, drug companies.
Tell it, girl! We are going to lose this, aren’t we? Done in by a Democrat in the WH. We will be beaten, but not bowed. We must never bow. Remember these words of Frederick Douglass: Power concedes nothing without demand.
“Which means we’re watching another casualty here: Democracy. Or at least, the illusion that we live in a democratic society.”
Socialism or barbarism- Rosa Luxemberg
I want to thank you for this post, Jane; evidently you do get it. I have a favorite few lines:
“”But we will make it as painful as possible for any politician from any party to participate in this wholesale looting of the public sphere, this “shock doctrine” for America. And maybe along the way we’ll get a vision of what comes next.”
So what comes next, Jane? If the DP is written off (as I did 15 years ago – but hey, you’re younger), where do we go from here? Where do YOU go?
Obviously, I have a suggestion: http://www.gp.org.
We really, really need the help of media figures to break the media blockade.
Exactly. Petition signed, call to weasel Democratic U.S. Representative made.