The New York Times reports that the brilliant analysts at S&P have decided that if the banks that loaned all that money to Greece have to eat any losses, voluntarily or otherwise, S&P will call that a default. If they are correct, those who wrote protection credit default swaps (CDSs) on Greek debt would be forced to pay off on the losses incurred by buyers of protection. In an earlier article, In Greece, Some See a New Lehman, the NYT provided another scare article threatening catastrophe after a Greek default.
You’d think there was some kind of conspiracy to protect US and European banks and CDS protection writers from losses they richly deserve. I’m smelling Moral Hazard. Why should anyone care if they lose billions? These articles are designed to scare people, sort of the bankster version of those local TV teasers about lights showing crud on motel bed covers, trying to get you to watch their vapid talking heads.
As an opening shot, the NYT reports that European banks have been dumping Greek debt onto the European Central Bank and the IMF, which the NYT explains dumps the losses onto taxpayers. How that happens is a mystery to me. The ECB controls the Euro, and if anyone is worried about the IMF, central banks can print some money just for it. That is glib, but essentially correct, and it isn’t a catastrophe for anyone.
Second, a lot of US money market funds provide short term loans to European banks, which pay a somewhat higher interest rate that US banks, currently swollen with free cash from the Fed. We are supposed to be very afraid that European banks won’t repay that short-term debt. That warning came weeks ago, and the Fed has put contingency plans in place for this unlikely outcome. These loans are short-term, and at least some of it is repurchase agreements, meaning that the loans are collateralized in full. That isn’t a catastrophe, either. And if money market funds lose money, people will leave that industry and put their money back in US banks, which sucks, but again, not a catastrophe. And I bet there are trial lawyers who can bludgeon the money market fund managers into making people whole.
The third fright is credit default swaps. If S&P is right about the default, it will trigger money movements. The analyst Kash at The Street Light provides a very rough estimate of US CDS exposure on Greek debt of $35 billion, but that doesn’t seem to cover all the CDSs laid off on hedge funds and insurance companies. Maybe that will be a problem, but I’m sure it matters only to the losers, and not the winners. JPMorgan Chase has a pile of CDSs on Greek debt, no doubt, but it may have both long and short CDSs, so who knows if it has any net exposure. A lot of those CDSs are collateralized, which will mitigate any problems. Anyway, a little excitement is good for them.
Kash estimates that direct creditors, those holding Greek bonds, would eat 70% of the losses, and protection CDS writers would eat the rest. The total amount of Greek debt is about $480 billion. If holders of Greek debt eat say $120 billion, about 25% of the losses, CDS protection writers would pay off $36 billion. That isn’t a catastrophe. It’s fun for all of us to watch the gamblers pay off, or go whining to their new Tea Party friends for a bailout.
Why would we rob any of them of their just desserts? Especially when it is so obvious that the intent of the banksters is the actual destruction of the Greek government, to be replaced by the first true corporatacracy. The nation that gave rise to democracy can lead into the brave new corporate future.





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It makes me mad to think about Greece selling off its treasures and infrastructure to the banksters.
So, I don’t get why Greece just doesn’t default right now, leave the euro, and keep its national treasures.
And just say to the banks, the underwriters of credit default swaps and the world financial system, “Deal.” (Which is what my teenage daughter says to me when she does something I disapprove of).
What kind of nonsense that a party not part of the contract gets to say whether the contract is in default. If there is a “default risk” it is spelled out in the contract that is being “insured” that would pretty clearly cover whether there’s a default or not. No need to consult with the tools at S&P that said that Countrywide Bonds were AAA.
You are correct this is simply more noise to save the banksters from themselves.
Yeah, they’re protecting Goldman Sachs which caused this in the first place, along with the corrupt government of Greece
masaccio ~ IANAL nor am I an economist, but my understanding is that mutual funds heldin employer provided 401(k)’s would prohibit lawsuits for such losses under the provisions of ERISA. I’m not certain where to begin tracking confirmation of this down, and the bar-b’s just about ready to start cooking so please forgive me if I just pose this as a question.
Thanks for all you do.
gah! meant to say “money market funds” held in 401(k)’s, etc.
Once Greece defaults, then all the remaining nations will ‘see’ the pointlessness of going through ‘asset-stripping’ on the way to total ruin.
And, once that happens, then the Con is busted, and the Banks will be globally perceived as Public Enemy Number One.
A leech depends on not being detected…
WSJ had some articles on this. It’s pretty much done by rote and without nuances in play such as political meddling.
Seemingly innocuous solutions (relatively speaking) can lead to a default determination.
Greece simply deciding not to pay, or unable to pay, would be a default obvious to anyone. But suppose creditors were cajoled into voluntarily rolling over bonds? It might or might not be a default depending how “voluntary” the transaction was and whether or not the rollover paid a market rate of interest (which could be confiscatory for Greece’s situation).
The hot potato keeps getting passed around.
There is not a problem determining actual default; the problem comes in deciding if a particular restructuring of debt constitutes a default. I looked for a discussion of how that is done, but couldn’t find anything sufficiently clear.
The Financial Times says this today:
I take that to mean that they think the final deal will not be treated as a default.
The nation that gave rise to democracy can lead into the brave new corporate future.
George Santayana must be spinning in his grave…! 8-(
Kassandra @ #4
yeah, gold sacks was my first tho’t, too–got Greece into a huge bond scam of some sort.
Greek default – The new Osama Bin Laden.
Really like your article, masaccio — especially “let the banksters take their losses” as they should. Some things really are that simple.
“It’s fun for all of us to watch the gamblers pay off, or go whining to their new Tea Party friends for a bailout.”
??? This is a ridiculous statement.
The primary catalyst for the Tea Party movement was opposition to the Wall Street bailouts. It is Obama’s people who have been sucking the bankers’ dicks from the start.
Progressives need to understand, and accept, this fact and make common cause with the Tea Party people on this issue. Hold your nose but do it.
That would be the point, wouldn’t it? I am all for crushing the power of Wall Street, and so are most of us progressives. Republicans traditionally are the friends of big money. Some faction of that group funds the Tea Party, but their faction in Congress won’t give those losers a second bailout, and hopefully whatever progressives there are in Congress won’t either. Hoist on their own petard.
That is also the point of the Lehman reference in the NYT article I linked. It was letting Lehman crash that was the last straw that led to the Great Crash and the Little Depression.
but…
everyone can already see that greece will eventually go into default, so why is greece selling off assets knowing this?
your theory doesn’t account for the potential of the fix being in with the governments in question, with the solution (privately) benefitting the heads of government and being pure misery for almost everyone else.
The major Western economic systems, the Eurozone and the USDollarzone, are going to collapse no matter what bailouts and other diversions are devised. It’s only a matter of time. In the EU, the PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, and Spain) will all require growing bailouts, eventually dragging the healthier countries down. Time to become a gold bug?
It was letting Lehman crash that was the last straw that led to the Great Crash and the Little Depression.
And a Greek Default could be a similar ‘Straw that breaks the Camel’s back’ and induces another ‘depression’, or rather the dreaded ‘double-dip’…! Notice how much quicker the Shock Doctrines are happening these days…? *gah*
“Republicans traditionally are the friends of big money.” I would correct this to say: “Establishment Republicans traditionally are the friends of big money.” The Tea Party people are as removed from the establishment Republicans as FDL bloggers are from the neo-con/neo-liberal Democrats. Granted the corporate/establishment Republicans have attempted to co-opt the Tea Party but this has largely failed, as the primary results in 2010 demonstrated. I can’t prove it but I believe many of the rank and file Tea Party people voted for Obama in 2008 because of the belief he would go after the Wall Street parasites. I also believe many of them will sit out the next election if Romney, Pawlenty, or Huntsman are nominated. Personally I would like to see a Ralph Nader/Ron Paul, or, Ron Paul/Ralph Nader ticket. They would not win but it would be interesting to see their vote total. It is my understanding these two guys get along pretty well. It is something both Progressives and Tea Party people could learn from because the two groups have more in common than either would like to admit. Both are anti-establishment, anti-corporate, and largely libertarian.
This is an incredibly important topic. Remember that there is no requirement for the purchaser of a credit default swap against Greek default to actually own any Greek debt. As far as I know, the actual amount issuers of CDS would have to shell out in the event of a Greek default is unknown. The maximum possible amount is not limited by the amount of Greek debt.
The Lehman crash did not cause the Little Depression but rather caused by the same thing as the Little Depression which was collapse of the debt/leverage bubble. In my opinion, the Lehman Brothers situation was the only thing properly handled in this whole mess. All of the insolvent banks should have been put in receivership and either reorganized or their assets distributed among the solvent community banks and credit unions. Short term things would have been dicey but over the long term the US and the world would be much better off with a stake driven through the heart of the banking cartel.
Yep, I think you’re right – Corruption is what’s at the heart of the global financial meltdown.
Just exactly what you’d expect, imvho, if the regulatory reins were taken off inherently greedy predators…
I totally agree that all of the TBF’s should’ve failed, Gold Sacks being the first to go, and, I’ve long advocated here at the Lake, that at the barest minimum, Congress should’ve re-enacted Glass-Steagal…! Shoulda, coulda, woulda…! 8-(
I agree with you. This should be a mess that the financial institutions have to deal with and take the losses for all the “bets” they made. If Goldman Sachs was involved with a “shadow banking” system in Greece, they should have to deal with losses. If the ratings agencies once again did a poor job in establishing the Greek credit rating, they should lose credibility. But, the last thing I would do if I were a citizen in Greece is hand over my property and cultural heritage to foreign financial institutions.
Until the “adults in the room” from around the world with the most influence on financial markets finally acknowledge that these markets, especially in the United States and Europe are out of control and need serious regulating, this will continue and get worse.
Re-enactment of Glass-Steagall, or something similar, was Paul Volcker’s recommendation. Obama used Volcker’s support during the election and then canned him when Volcker got too uppity with his ideas.
Hopefully, the BRIC and SCO will step up and smack’em upside the head, and, finally wake’em up…!
That is a nice thought but unfortunately the SCO/BRIC countries are just as corrupt as the US and Europe.
Well, at least China doesn’t need Drones/Soldiers to plunder the World’s treasures…! ;-)
The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) certainly could push their influence.
From website: “The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) is an international organization which fosters international monetary and financial cooperation and serves as a bank for central banks. The BIS fulfils this mandate by acting as: a forum to promote discussion and policy analysis among central banks and within the international financial community
a centre for economic and monetary research a prime counterparty for central banks in their financial transactions agent or trustee in connection with international financial operations. The head office is in Basel, Switzerland and there are two representative offices: in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China and in Mexico City. Established on 17 May 1930, the BIS is the world’s oldest international financial organization. As its customers are central banks and international organisations, the BIS does not accept deposits from, or provide financial services to, private individuals or corporate entities. The BIS strongly advises caution against fraudulent schemes.”
Do you think the BIS is any less corrupt than any of these other institutions ? I don’t mean to be argumentative but it is my understanding the BIS is representative of the central banks and these banks are as corrupt as any of the private banks. None of what is going on in Greece would be possible without the involvement of the ECB. From a moral standpoint the situation in Ireland is more egregious than in Greece. At least in Greece most of the money was loaned to the government so a case could be made (though incorrectly) for the collective liability of the Greek people. In Ireland the loans were all private transactions and the government stepped in and guaranteed the losses after the fact. It is too bad all Europeans are not like Icelanders.
The worst outcome of the Great Recession is that these credit ratings agencies — Moody, Fitch and S&P – survived. Of course, it was criminal they survived the Long Term Capital Management collapse, and the S&L fiasco too. They are parasites on our financial system; they should be liquidated and their function federalized.
…and their function federalized.
Amen, Teddy…! More ‘Big Gov’, with actual teeth, and, a pair of big, brass cojones…! ;-)
Do you really think federalizing (i.e. politicizing) the credit rating function would be an improvement ? I agree Moodys, S&P, etc. did a terrible job but I would not expect any better from a government that deliberately legalized accounting fraud by forcing FASB to repeal the mark to market rules to make the banks look solvent.
Have the ‘Revolving Door’ slammed shut, and, a meritocratic bureaucracy in place, once again, and you’d be surprised at the results…! ;-)
Eliminating the retro-active bribes would definitely be an improvement.
I don’t think that is a problem. The suit would be a class action, so all investors benefit. Generally only the owner of a security can sue, so that might be the 401(k) plan itself; but as I say, presumably all investors benefit from the class action.
That’s what the Greek people protesting in the street wanted. It would have been better than the austerity plan that their the socialist party just forced through (the socialist party of all things!–talk about double crossing the people).
Krugman wrote a while back, that the big picture here is who is going to eat the losses of the 2008 bank meltdown: the Greek people, the greater populous of Europe, or the banks. The austerity plan put most of the burden on the greek people, and now S&P is speaking out against the eating of ANY losses by the private sector.
Edit: the austerity plan not only put the burden on the Greek people… it probably also made the situation worse.
“A lot of those CDSs are collateralized, which will mitigate any problems.” Where have I heard that before? Famous last words. Here comes the Eurozone TARP.
A restructuring plan is the best way to avoid a Eurozone TARP.
But now there is all this “worry” that that can’t be done because it would make some small portion of CDS payout. That “worry” is just an excuse to protect private profits, it won’t generate a financial crisis the way a full default will.
I agree completely that a restructuring plan is needed, but the only way that will not lead to pulling down some overexposed European banks and triggering a contagious situation is for the Eurozone to come up with a TARP-like backstop for these weak banks. It’s not just the CDS exposure of American banks or whomever, which may be manageable (AIG thought theirs was manageable too, BTW). It’s the possibility of triggering a European banking crisis, which could affect, among other things, money markets here. So it’s a question of when, not if.
I agree that if enough (big) banks fall, the best thing would be a euro version of tarp. I don’t think that outcome is inevitable though, and i see it as a worse case.
My point is, a “select default” (which is what S&P says will happen with the restructuring plan) is used as a big scary word that would lead to that worse case scenario. But in fact, probably won’t lead to that scenario, since only a very small portion of CDSs will payout in such case, and the banks will know for weeks or months ahead of time that such a deal is about to be reached, so they will have time to prepare.
They will lose money sure (which i happen to be in favor of!), but i don’t think it’ll lead to the equivalent of the collapse of Lehman Bros or AIG.
Though, it seems now EU leaders are going to scrap this restructuring plan because of the S&P statements. http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/07/05/the-bond-market-makes-its-move-in-greece/#comments Hence, this fear propaganda appears to have worked for the banks.
Whilst the rating agencies watch Greece carefully for evidence of imminent default, Israel has, in desperation, decided to ask Greece to share her bed, having been negligent enough to have lost the vastly more important Turkey.
When the Israeli commandos decided to attack the Gaza flotilla last year and to kill eight Turkish human rights activists, at point blank range, they clearly misjudged the consequences of that brutality.
Having lost the Turkish market for military equipment exports, Israel has now to settle for Greece, a state just 1/6th the size with a population 1/8th that of Turkey and a GDP of only 1/3rd of Turkey’s $960 billion.
That’s what happens when you kill influential friends, they treat you as an enemy. And losing so many friends appears to be both arrogant and stupid.
Turkey, which borders eight other states, is of huge geo-strategic importance in the region and is furthermore a European country that Middle-Eastern Israel can ill afford to lose. That she has done is a sad reflection on the Israeli government’s ability to comply with international law and to respect international conventions and the will of the United Nations.