I grew up Irish Catholic in NYC, Northeast Queens, in the 1970s.
Archie Bunker wasn’t Irish Catholic, but I never saw All in the Family as a sitcom, but more like a documentary.
I’m not ashamed of my hometown: you grow up working class, and you understand working, and class, and if you can keep your eyes open, that’s a gift. But I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that that world was bound together by bigotry.
My maternal grandfather was a stone racist… and when my great uncle died we found in his apartment a cache of powdered food, and a shotgun — plus a trove of John Birch Society pamphlets and phonograph records. The crazy sonofabitch was convinced that one dark day the Darkies were going to march up Northern Boulevard and steal his toaster or some shit like that and he wanted to be prepared.
My mom was smart and thoughtful, and even though she tried to get out of that world as best she could, that wasn’t so easy in her day and age. Because that world was hostile to women who aspired to be anything besides wives and mothers. In the end the best she could do for her kids was to tell them that it was wrong to hate black people — and not just wrong, but, well, déclassé. Intelligent people, people who were not grotesque fools, would have no place in the new world that was burgeoning.
You want to get ahead, she taught me, you can’t be a racist.
And she was right. And prescient. But there’s a price for everything. One day we had a barbecue, and her dad, my grandpa, was there, and my crazy great uncle, and my mom said something, and suddenly everything got tense, and my grandpa said “nigger,” and I was maybe eight, and I piped up and said, “grandpa, that’s a bad word.”
And he looked right at my mother and asked, “I hope your boy isn’t a faggot.”
Faggot was in that world the worst thing you could ever call someone. Because if the harsh outside world was populated by Outsiders who wanted nothing less than your toaster, or some shit, or the women you never really had anyway, the faggots could be anywhere. Or anyone. Even you….
I was straight, as a kid. Still am as a grownup. Have a wife, kids of my own. But I got called faggot a lot, growing up. Got beat up twice, other kids yelling “faggot, faggot,” as they hit me. In my dreams I still burn with fear and rage. And I had it better than so many others.
What I mean to say, is that all forms of bigotry, sexism, racism, homophobia, and even hatred of the working class — I can drop or put on my Queens accent easily — are all Hydra heads of the same beast.
It’s very discouraging because the opposition is very well oiled, very well financed. They have all the elites behind them, whether it be the TV talk shows or radio or newspaper columnists. It’s a real David and Goliath battle.
They also claim to speak for the overwhelming majority of people, but they wouldn’t accept my invitation: perhaps to go to Staten Island and visit some backyard barbecues and sense what the people really believe.
I pray my mother’s ghost shames even them.



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These velvet-robed pedophiles, and their pretty-hatted protectors, are what decent people should fear, not the love of one Subarued lady for another.
Thank you, Thers, most excellent post, sir.
Gracias, my friend.
THERS!
That sort of bigotry was alive and well in my family which is why I haven’t seen some of them for decades. It ranged from the overt, (an uncle who gave me a baseball bat as a “gift” and told me to whack myself in the head with it when I had those feelings), to the more nuanced, (like the grandmother who asked if I was sure I felt that way), to the selfish, (like the brother who said it would be impossible for him to develop new habits and how I was being extremely selfish and demanding for requiring him to do so), to the violent, (like any of the half a dozen times or so I’ve been attacked unprovoked).In the end, I honestly don’t see how it makes a difference. It’s all just bigotry.
Right. If a buncha people believe you are not as human as they are, well, that’s ok.
Fuckers.
wonderful post thers!
It should be pointed out at this time that the majority deciding who has what rights regardless of the feelings of the minority was one of the primary reasons this country was formed. I don’t give a fuck what a bunch of drunks standing around a barbeque pit think.
Great Thersabado Gigante Piece.
Rude also weighed in yesterday morning on what was happening in NY.
The Catholic Church and its representatives have nothing when it comes to preaching morality. I’m afraid I can’t stand their house any more. I’m pretty sure they won’t be visiting anyone in my back yard.
It never stops rankling.
Good job, Thers.
You’re channeling that energy very productively. Kudos.
How people fail to grasp the reality that this is the civil rights movement of the 60′s all over again completely mystifies me. We’ve got a whole buncha ignorant yahoos running loose in this country, I’m afraid.
Keeping up the fight is the right thing to do…
Most excellent post, Thers.
Fantastic post! You speak for so many people who grew up working class in that time.
I don’t expect the Catholic Church to change, however. I’ve left them behind.
very good post and makes me realize how mellow my own childhood was. thankfully my british family is semi-sane and we read the Manchester Guardian and watched MOnty Python growing up.
still, it seems like you thrived and survived in spite of the fuckers, so happy SaTHERSday Night!
Ironically, my first real experience with Bigotry was because I was white…! Shortly after my Dad’s death in the remote North, I found out what ‘Kill Ha’ole Day’ was all about…! ;-)
Can you believe this sh*t…?
Obama Wants More Dead Rachel Corries to Boost AIPAC Standing
…As Ray [McGovern] sets out on the US Gaza peace flotilla ship, he has been warned in the starkest of terms that the Obama administration will do nothing to protect their US flagged vessel, or the US citizens on board, against attack by the Israelis.
I also have been cautioned by a source with access to very senior staffers at the National Security Council that not only does the White House plan to do absolutely nothing to protect our boat from Israeli attack or illegal boarding, but that White House officials”would be happy if something happened to us.” They are, I am reliably told, “perfectly willing to have the cold corpses of activists shown on American TV.”
Well said.
Bigotry is as old as people themselves. And it all stem from hate.
The old “you look different so I don’t like you” to “those dame ferners” (ferners = foreigners).
As for the Archbishop, well there’s a special place in hell from him and his kind. Got no problem with the pedophiles in their own ranks, but these things worry that gay people getting married will ruin marriage. The paranoia and blatant hypocrisy is disturbing on so many levels.
It’s O and his kind – grade A AZZHOLES.
As I just wrote on my latest offering… F*ck Obummer, and the horse he rode in on…! *gah*
Archbishop Dolan’s bigotry wouldn’t be welcome at my South Shore Staten Island backyard barbecue, too many gays celebrating. Not all Staten Islanders are as bigoted as Dolan would like to think, just his Tea Party Republican pals.
My Grandmother was a traditionalist Catholic. She had an eight grade education. She was the product of her enviornment and choose to pretend that her daughter and two grandsons and countless nieces and nephews were not gay. She was so brainwashed about so many things but i do love her as i understand the world she inhabited. I am so glad that i was not raised in any religion at all. this was brave of my parents to do back in the early 1960′s.
LMAO.
You know there is something refreshing about saying F O.
There really is.
I could do it all night. And I think I will.
F O.
That’s some bold harsh truth of yers, Thers.
You get a big ass wow from me for it all.
I just learnt early livin overseas and back in the USA in the early to mid 60′s, to fight back on each n every count.
I learnt fast, the fuckin bullies caved when I threw down.
N the older I got, it was all easier.
Sadly, the planet is suffering from bullies galore.
N these are different climes n times.
Still we have to fight for ourselvesv n others, one way or another.
Great Diary, Thers.
Thanks.
Hey, I was born in Queens. In 1967. In Wyckoff Heights Hospital, which was closed – I believe – in 1970 for doing illegal abortions. I went to local schools there. I lived in New York until I was 16.
My grandfather voted for FDR four times, and told us how he loved Roosevelt. But when he died his wife refused to give away his suits as he said, and, yes, I am going to use his exact phrase, “Because I don’t want any ni**ers to wear them.”
My great-grandfather was the head of the Democratic Party in the Bronx in the 1930s. The head of the state party died, and my great-grandfather was slated to become the new head, but he was passed over because the man who made the selection, an Irishman, told my great-grandfather that “he didn’t want any fucking Jews running this party.”
I have blacks in my family, I have Italians, I have Irish, I have English, I have Jews and Christians and Communists and, including me, a right-winger. My favorite cousin Susan is a lesbian. I love her more than you know. And, yes, she knows that I oppose gay marriage. But she accepts me and I accept her – and I accept her companion Kathy. Kathy is part of my family. My Uncle Norman was gay, and he died of AIDS.
We make up America.
There are plenty of us. So when you pigeonhole anyone, remember that there is someone on the other end of your argument.
Oh, and another word.
I got called “a four-eyed Jew” by blacks when I was growing up. And guess who was doing the name calling? That’s right: blacks. One particular girl named Tammy was really brutal to me. I was thin and wore glasses and she truly loved picking on me. So I got bullied by black people.
So, should I be a racist? I don’t think so, but plenty of people are.
Hey, I was born in Queens. In 1967. In Wyckoff Heights Hospital, which was closed – I believe – in 1970 for doing illegal abortions. I went to local schools there. I lived in New York until I was 16.
My grandfather voted for FDR four times, and told us how he loved Roosevelt. But when he died his wife refused to give away his suits as he said, and, yes, I am going to use his exact phrase, “Because I don’t want any n*ggers to wear them.”
My great-grandfather was the head of the Democratic Party in the Bronx in the 1930s. The head of the state party died, and my great-grandfather was slated to become the new head, but he was passed over because the man who made the selection, an Irishman, told my great-grandfather that “he didn’t want any fucking Jews running this party.”
I have blacks in my family, I have Italians, I have Irish, I have English, I have Jews and Christians and Communists and, including me, a right-winger. My favorite cousin Susan is a lesbian. I love her more than you know. And, yes, she knows that I oppose gay marriage. But she accepts me and I accept her – and I accept her companion Kathy. Kathy is part of my family. My Uncle Norman was gay, and he died of AIDS.
We make up America.
There are plenty of us. So when you pigeonhole anyone, remember that there is someone on the other end of your argument.
So you’re a Queen! Weeee! Smooch! *glitter*
“So you’re a Queen! Weeee! Smooch! *glitter*”
No…I am a FAN of Queen. Freddie Mercury. The British band. Remember?
Yikes…do I have to teach you people EVERYTHING?
Heh. Got a few things I could prolly teach you, big boy.
Come sit by me, yo ol’ Queen. You’ll never regret it!
“Come sit by me, yo ol’ Queen. You’ll never regret it!”
Oh, I see…
You are one of those.
Sorry, but I go for women, not men like you.
Unless you are half and half. Then I really don’t go for you.
One thing you don’t have to teach me is that despite all your gay friends and family who adore you, you’re a bigot for denying me (whom you don’t know) marriage equality. It’s a bigoted viewpoint, whether religious-based or I don’t know what all.
So don’t bother trying to teach me anything, and please don’t sit next to my good friend Kelly. He recruits.
As other’s have pointed out, what should any one group’s opinion have to do with the rights of a minority. Beyond that I’m tired of him confusing the issue. Because, shock of all shocks, this is about the legal rights of the contract of marriage. Not religious marriage, but the legal one denied them even as gay Americans have been able to find people to perform the religious binding for years. If Bishop Dolan were the religious leader of most NYers, which he is not, this is still a legal and political matter and he should STFU or lose the church’s tax exempt status. He has made it clear that the Catholic Church in NY will not perform the ceremony, that is the end of his say. Same with his opinion on abortion availability not the act, but the availability to the millions of NYers who are not his parishoners.
(I have grown to have the same feeling of disgust when I hear his name or voice as I do when I hear Clinton’s. Both are apparently charming and charismatic and use those people skills to enable them to do great damage most of the time every time they open their mouths or pen an opinion.)
I don’t know who you are, but that was a hell of a well written post.
The beast: tribalism, which may have helped our ancestors evolve and cross ice sheets and fight mamoths, but does us little good today.
Yes your mom’s ghost shames them.
While that hospital may have closed in 1970, I’m skeptical that it was closed for doing illegal abortions since that was the year abortions became legal in New York
I’d forward that to Fox News–I think it’s about the only chance it has of mass dissemination.
Wyckoff Heights appears to still be open. http://www.wyckoffhospital.org/
People like Archbishop Dolan are the reason why one in four Americans who were baptized Catholic have left the Church and why the Catholic Church has experienced more defections than any other denomination.
[sarcasm mode] Maybe the Roman Church would be better financed if the leaders (bishops) and Cardinal Princes of the church hadn’t exposed the Body of Christ to massive liability through the denial clergy-instigated child abuse and pedophilia.
As a Christian, I pray that God the forgives the Roman hierarchy for all this, and that these non-Jesus understanding elites seek some of that humility that seems so distant from them.
I notice that the leader of a pack of racist doesn’t mention that the Supreme Joke is packed with his demented cohorts. Yes, the Supreme Joke has 6 healthy Catholics. It’s not like they packed the court, but it doesn’t smell right.
I’m not wildly enthusiastic that the other three members of the Joke are all Jews. Statistically, the Jews should have one court member in every 5 court sessions. The Catholics should have one member and a second member every 10 years.
However, I am off on my politically incorrect but factually correct hobbyhorse. There is going to be hell to pay when the Romneys, Bachmanns, and Ron Pauls find out that they have no representation on the Supreme Joke.
Romney’s and Huntsman’s magic undershorts are nothing compared to this.