Conservatives loathe Keynes. It isn’t his title, Lord Keynes, or his profession, financial speculator, that causes heartburn, they eat that up. No, they hate him because he has so little respect for the rich and their money. That is why rich conservatives so avidly supported some marginal economists (a group which is perfectly willing to perform like trained seals for money) who reworked classical economics, and renamed it supply side theory. It gave the very rich a pretense for rejecting Keynes. In the face of the drastic consequences of that stupid idea, the zombie party is pushing it harder than ever.
Keynes’ theory explains why unemployment was so high in the 30s: there was no demand, so businesses didn’t invest. He explains it this way. The purpose of economic activity is consumption. Consumption either is present consumption, or expenditures to make future consumption possible. That is, either we buy clothes, or we buy machines to make clothes. Either way, we are consuming. We can’t push expenditures on plant and equipment for future consumption too far into the future. We only buy them when there is a reasonable prospect for selling products for consumption fairly near the time of investment.
That gives rise to a big problem: we must defer some of our consumption into the future, to cover retirement, involuntary lay-offs and illness, and future needs of our kids, like college, and so on. That saving reduces aggregate demand. Note that this is a huge problem in the current political situation. The zombie party and its corporatist democratic sycophants demand reduction in Social Security and Medicare, and push the cost of education onto families, and are prepared to cut spending that might help ordinary people. Families have to protect their future. But those savings reduce demand for current consumption, and increase the amount of money pushed into some kind of financial asset, or used to pay down debt.
On top of that, there is the skewed distribution of income. Keynes makes the uncontroversial observation that the more you earn, the more you save as a percentage of your income. Low-income workers spend their income, while high-income people save and invest more. Savings from high incomes are a drag on aggregate demand.
All consumption is either produced currently or in a prior period. Machines and plant used in production are a good example of the latter. The goods produced in a prior period are themselves capital in the hands of the owner. Selling those goods is a form of disinvestment:
Now, all capital-investment is destined to result, sooner or later, in capital-disinvestment [people want to sell their capital assets at some point]. Thus the problem of providing that new capital-investment shall always outrun capital-disinvestment sufficiently to fill the gap between net income and consumption, presents a problem which is increasingly difficult as [total] capital increases. New capital-investment can only take place in excess of current capital-disinvestment if future expenditure on consumption is expected to increase. Thus the problem of providing that new capital-investment shall always outrun capital-disinvestment sufficiently to fill the gap between income and consumption, presents a problem which is increasingly difficult as capital increases.
105. To understand this fully, I recommend that you take a careful look at this from Stephanie Kelton, helpfully posted by selise.
This stuff isn’t rocket science, and it isn’t some ideological position, designed to make money for me. These outcomes are the consequences of simple algebra from definitions and observed reality. For this purpose, it is enough to note that as capital is withdrawn from consumption, that is, saved, it creates claims for future consumption. That future consumption can only exist if there are plants and equipment sufficient to create it. You can’t eat a bond, or buy wine with a credit default swap. When capital is created (by saving as opposed to consumption), current consumption goes down. In the absence of demand, why would anyone build more plant and equipment?
But the problem is actually worse. The system is trying to create more claims on future income, without creating the means for production of future income. How is that supposed to work?
Keynes recognizes that capital increases as capitalist societies evolve. It’s a reasonable guess that there is more than $60 trillion in capital in the US alone. That is money that is not being used for current consumption. The whole point of the government response to the Great Crash was to make those financial claims good, at the expense of the entire nation. None of the money helped the average consumer. Now there is no demand for consumption, but that $60 trillion demands a return, which will be paid by the people who still have jobs or cash, in the form of taxes, interest and investment fees.
What are the consequences of this mismatch between consumption and savings? Keynes says the only answer is to increase unemployment.
What is to be done? Well, this problem doesn’t just affect the real world, it affects the virtual world as well. Charlie Stross, Paul Krugman’s favorite scifi writer gives us an example in his book Halting State.
The book begins with a bank robbery in a virtual world by a group of creatures from another virtual world. Hayek and Associates is in the business of stabilizing the economies of seventeen virtual worlds, including the one in which the robbery occurred. A Hayek manager explains
Our task is to keep speculation down, and effectively to drain quest items and magic artefacts from the realm to prevent inflation. One way we do this is by offering safe deposit services to players. Avalon Four runs a non-persistent ownership mode so you can lose stuff if you’re killed on a quest and respawn, and the encumbrance rules are tight.
Players can migrate from one virtual world to another, taking their loot with them.
Which in turn means there are exchange rates between games – and not just game-to-game, I’m talking game-to-euro rates, game-to-yuan, game-to-rupee. All the strong currencies, … even US dollars So there’s currency speculation and an external market in gaming currency hedge funds….
One way we take currency out of circulation is to sell imaginary real estate.
Let’s define “useless capital” as capital that will never, ever be consumed, like, for example, the money held by the Ford Foundation, or Warren Buffett’s fortieth billion dollars. One way to take useless capital out of circulation is to tax it and use the proceeds to build public goods. That creates jobs and infrastructure and public assets like parks and bridges. It won’t even hurt: once you get past a certain amount of capital, it’s all virtual anyway.
Or, you could do nothing, in which case we are doomed to be serfs for those people who own the vast majority of the $60 trillion.
[John Maynard Keynes, The General Theory Of Employment, Interest and Money, p. 104 (Prometheus Books, 1997)]




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If we are lucky, which most of us aren’t. There are only so many serf jobs required to drive the cost of labor down, you know, and there are plenty of people who will do them for less than you.
So U.S. went to full bore empire mode at the end of the 19thC, looking for consumption markets, when U.S. ind. rev. resulted in overproduction. What are the PTB gonna do this time when domestic prodn falls chronically short.
Consumption economy; synonym=Cancer
I just want to say that I enjoyed this article. It illuminated for me the basis for the hatred of Keynes on the Right. Though an additional reason would be that Keynes believed that there were times when the government could be useful in resuscitating a moribund economy. Those on the Right don’t want to hear any excuse for government other than to protect their riches and to keep the encampment of the unwashed off their manicured lawns. They really hate paying taxes.
Consumption economy = eating the food you grow, wearing the clothes you make, etc. In other words, sustaining life.
the purpose of economic activity is to AQUIRE WEALTH this post is profoundly inaccurate despite the claim of asserting the “obvious”
Another superb, educational post masaccio.
Highly recommended to all who visit FDL.
As well, take some time to read the “linked” sources selise has provided … it is an education and a half, a most-necessary education.
DW
Keynes does believe in the utility of government, and that is anathema to the zombie party and the control class. They don’t want that nasty democracy poking around at their doings. The only valid purpose of government is to keep the middle class and the working class under control when they get hostile about their raids on the treasury.
The function of an economy is to PRODUCE and “distribute” wealth, the pathologies of society determine whether, as in ours, money has a Divine Right.
When profit and piety are one and the same, conditions on earth become rather hellacious, and greed is NOT good.
Ah well …
The real “thing” about silver and gold,
you can’t eat it … and it won’t keep out the cold.
DW
From anonymous
Worth the watch!
Thank you, masaccio, most excellent post.
Which (i.e., serfdom of the vast majority to the owners of the $60 trillion) is the point of the whole exercise.
I have to say this is one of the more imaginative arguments for taxing wealth. There is no such thing as “useless capital”. The Ford Foundation invests it’s money in the economy, and Buffet is not one to hide money in the mattress. Essentially that’s your argument.
* Money is being buried in the backyard doing good for no one.
* Govt should take away that money and spend it on stuff.
* If Govt. doesn’t then we have high unemployment.
If you folks really want to reduce unemployment, halting abuses such as Boeing and NLRB imbroglio are necessary. The EPA is closing down coal plants, think that’s helpful? Business IS the economy. Hurt it and you get what we have today.
Thanks
So you’re saying raise taxes and turn off the printing presses?
Here you get into defining wealth. It seems to me most conservatives see wealth as a big stack of cash . . . one that grows ever bigger, often acquired by exploitation, and always larger than one’s neighbor’s. On the other hand, wealth can be considered in terms of purchased things that improve quality of life–say a vacuum cleaner, instead of just a broom; a car without mechanical problems instead of an unreliable clunker; a washing machine instead of a washboard and tub. And what sounds like a form of wealth you could not understand or appreciate would be the abilty to purchase enough groceries so that mealtime with family and friends feeds both body and soul; the willingness to contribute a bit of your ‘wealth’ to others less fortunate. As I listen to the wealthy deify their wealth, I’m always reminded of the King Midas story. May you one day be like him.
What if, instead of becoming economists, supply siders had become cardiologists? They would counsel, “Put the heart into overdrive, squeeze the capillaries down to nothing. The ARTERIAL SIDE is where the blood belongs!
Sounds like a formula for a stoke. Or a crisis of demand.
Wait a minute, you’re saying that government should be helping and not hindering ? this must be rocket science./s
In the usual sense “consumption economy” is defined as extraction without replenishment.. What you suggest is what I would call a sustainable economy. One based on consumption according to need and replenishment.
Reply to massacio @ 8
Your last statement brings up the hypocrisy of the Right. It only opposes Big Government that serves the common good, such as with public health care plans and government-run retirement plans. That’s called “socialism.” It absolutely loves Big Government when it redistributes wealth to the politically connected via government contracts and favors to special interests (such as privileged use of public lands, regulations that shift costs, or the lack of regulations on polluters that shift (and increase) their costs of doing business, etc.).
Conservatives are a primitive subspecies on the way to oblivion. Why there are so many of them or why they have so many followers is mystifying.
I confess to getting a little confused with this but it does seem that if you take money out of the economy and never put it back again, ie squirrel it away never to benefit the present or the future, then you are causing a contraction of the economey, aka unemployment.
Capital becomes useless when investment opportunities vanish. Then the money just sits in the mattress and the plant machinery is covered in dust and rust.
And corporations who have been sitting on record amounts of cash for more than a year have been doing exactly that – taking money out of the economy rather than investing it in humans and jobs
thing is, the rich will do just fine. the likes of me have more money, i spend more, they make more. it’s the getting taxed moree they don’t like, of course. but they make out fine when i do. they’ll still be rich. it’s fucking g-r-e-e-d.
What a great analogy!
Yes, exactly, and they want interest and dividends and capital gains on that money. Where is that coming from if there is no production and no consumption?
Yes, certainly greed is a motivator.
That’s ultimately true regardless of whether one is generally progressive or conservative, or reads Keynes or Hayek. Yet the error is common. It’s to read just one of them to support a preconception. Then one goes to bed comfy for another day. Better to read both of them rather than just one, and recognize it’s theory.
I’m generally a Keynesian but cautious that any large endeavor, whatsoever, is at risk for corruption on any scale. I am a bit uncomfortable with the urgent length of today’s parsing.
I think the worthy author is going about this the wrong way, though the goals are on track. Better to begin with foibles and defects in our common nature, all of us, and the rest will clarify without all the heaving and straining. Just a tablespoon of mineral oil will move it along, and it will all work out the better.
Truly well put!
The “teachable” analogy.
Thank you, John.
(Bleed is Good!)
DW
That’s why tax cuts don’t create jobs. Say I’m a small business owner. I sell furniture. Under which scenario would I be more apt to hire a new employee?
1. The government reduces my personal and business taxes by 10%, but the number of customers per month remains static.
2. My taxes remain static, but my customers per month increase along with purchase amount per customer.
An impartial observer would say #2 for several reasons. My income increases, my inventory shrinks, my customer traffic increases. I have more money to spend, I order more inventory because sales increase, I have more customers who need attention in my store. It ain’t rocket science.
American businesses continue to consume, just offshore, where their jobs, factories and ideas are increasingly located. They consume enough here to keep the war machines – digital as well as mechanical – rolling, which gives them non-market leverage they find somewhat helpful.
Keynes and the style of market intervention by government he represented seems is what the PTB find alarming. It is the only possible counterweight that might limit their dominance. It sets the rules that define permitted business activity. It allows or disallows, for example, concentrations of market power, externalizing costs onto the innocent, legislating consumers’ commercial and legal rights (such as opening the courthouse doors or slamming them shut on consumers). It empowers consumers by giving them access to health care and retirement resources independent from subservience to individual employers – by basing it on a lifetime’s work regardless of which employer, if any, they worked for.
Allowing consumers a voice in government, independent of their employer, empowering them in conflicts with government or commercial interests, is precisely what Keynes represents and what the PTB find so offensive, and which consumers should find so attractive. Elizabeth Warren represents an expression of that, which is why the banksters and their employees at the Fed and in the White House find her modest potential role so alarming. As with full-exploitation interrogations, the first step in controlling the target is to deprive it of hope.
And to the extent it is being held offshore, they want a special tax break to bring it home.
BTW that side Selese had looks really interesting. Maybe it can bring me up to speed on some of this stuff.
Yeah, they appear to be a primitive sub-species if one is – let’s face it – an elitist. And, as soon as one of these Tea Party “Keep-your-government-hands-off-my-Medicare” idiots senses that about us, the fight is over. As long as we the liberals are stuck in this look-down-our-nose mindset, their numbers will continue to grow. It’s not inconceivable to me. However, I’m sure that’s how the Social Democrats and all other “respectable” parties (on the right as well as on the left) in Weimar Germany felt about the Nazis.
The reason why conservatives (as well as the Nazis) keep/kept growing is they tell/told a better story. It may be an idiotic, lunatic, violently self-centered story, but nobody on our side seems to call them on it because we’re too busy being mystified (like scientists at the microscope) at them.
We let the big mouths on the Right get away with too many things.
Case in point: taxes. Although the sainted “classical economists” disagreed with a tax on earned income through labor, they were all for a tax on unearned income such as estate taxes, capital gains and rents. Do Maddow, O’Donnell, and that gasbag Schultz ever educate their viewers on this? And that’s just one point. There are many others. Does Rachel call for an end to the Afganistan adventure? No, she goes over there and dresses like a little soldier.
Somehow, if you wave the D banner, you’re fine with our “liberal” spokespeople. Rachel was just so amused with the Tea Party in the beginning, and yet I saw many signs in their number that we on the left could have made common cause with. But we were too busy studying them as if they were a exotic species.
Tell you what. If we on the left never come up with a narrative that resonates with the people, the corporate oligarchs and their puppets will succeed in completely destroying this republic.
Then we can be mystified from our jail cells.
Absolutely.
But in 2008, the world population shifted – for the first time in human history – to more urbanization than rural populations.
So all these Keynes-haters and ignoramouses would be a bit smarter to ask themselves how these economic theories worked out for the Mubarak clan? How’d they work out for the Ben Ali family in Tunesia? Because although those nations and their economies were not synonymous with the US, the neoclassical underpinnings of economic beliefs that allows that kind of concentration in a rapidly urbanizing world that is facing resource scarcity is so stupid it really is breathtaking.
I think that I’ll go short on neoliberalist economics.
And long on sci fi.
Having money in the bank, bonds, or invested in companies is not “money out of the economy”. It’s very much IN the economy. Is the money in your checking account “out of the economy” until you write a check? Of course not. This writer just wants a semantic justification for a wealth tax.
I think that you make some good points, but perhaps their better route is just to invite Matt Taibbi, Yves Smith, and Dylan Ratigan (and possibly Jared Bernstein) on their shows as guests more often.
I understand the kind of elitism you describe; I’ve done it, and I’ve had it done to me. I think that some of us came through so many years of being denigrated and insulted (well, since 1980, but particularly 2000-2007) that sometimes I’ve just run out of patience with the kind of obnoxious, Breitbart-OReilly bullying that happens.
I completely, wholeheartedly agree with your emphasis on storytelling, but masaccio does it damn well.
I think the general sense of frustration and cynicism about the politics of the Beltway is widely shared – on left and right. Somehow, the fight over Elizabeth Warren, where the right appears to have been completely punked by the banksters, is a telling symptom that the right can’t find its way clear to defend its own interests.
Until FDL and a few other resources came along, the left simply made itself the handmaiden of neoliberals and neoclassical oligarchs. Fortunately, I see that changing, albeit slowly.
I do give Ed Schultz and Maddow props for reporting on Wisconsin, Ohio, and those states where the oligarchs have been so obviously, stupidly overreaching that it makes for one hell of a story.
I’m not sure I understand your point. I meant to separate Keynes’ discussion of the problem from my own ideas about what is to be done.
Are you suggesting that Keynes’ description of the problem of unemployment in a capitalist society is wrong, or that my suggestion about dealing with the problem is wrong?
Uh no. it’s still in the economy just not immediately visible. The thing about such money you describe is that it can be lost. Companies have no printing press to make more money if they screw up. So they have to be careful.
Meanwhile Boeing spent $2 billion of that money on the sidelines, in a new plant in SC, and hired 1000 people. The NLRB has decided that because this investment upset the unions in WA, Boeing has to abandon the $2 billion and the 1000 new hires. So Boeing did exactly what you would like to see, and is being pilloried for it. After this, any plans to invest in new plant and equipment are shelved.
Right, Boeing went to South Carolina in an attempt to abrogate their existing union contracts.
I guess contracts are only important when they work to the benefit of the company and not to the benefit of the workers.
You might also like Accelerando. I admit that scifi has always been my weakness. By the time I was 14, I had read every scifi book in the South Bend Public Library at least once, and several more than once. I quit reading it when it shifted to fantasy, but Stross and Neal Stephenson are really great, and I’m glad I found them.
Is it being consumed? No. Not when it is used to roll over debt, or to buy someone else’s bonds or stocks. That is capital disinvestment: it has no impact on consumption.
If the seller of a bond uses the cash to buy food or gasoline, then the cash enters consumption. Otherwise, buying and selling stocks and bonds and derivatives and the rest of the capital instruments created by Wall Street to sop up that capital and make fees which they don’t spend, are nothing but swapping existing capital.
I note that if my $60 trillion figure is correct, and that the average return to the money is 4%, the economy has to produce $1.5 trillion every year just to pay for it. The GNP is $15 trillion. That means that 10& of GNP is sucked up by existing capital.
Oops. I stand corrected. It was because Boeing was moving in specific retaliation for past strikes, not abrogating existing contracts.
But it was still against the law.
And seriously, why couldn’t the new production line have created 1000 jobs in Washington instead of SC anyway?
In general, it is what I’ve been saying for the past few years – without the benefit of a class in economics (not even the old household econ class).
However, I think that mass advertising has created the ability for large businesses to manipulate consumers and create artificial demand that distorts the normal flow of the economy.
Hidden fees and unavoidable fees also take a degree of choice out of the consumption process. I am not interested in rewards programs, they are largely useless to me. I have rejected cards that wanted a fee and offered a rewards program in return, but with the swipe-fee regulation I may no longer have a choice.
How many other ways do businesses distort the supply/demand paradigm?
I think this is a real problem. Look at comments from shooter242. Shooter242 seem to have some understanding of the way things are from the standpoint of the conventional wisdom. It is very hard to break away from that viewpoint, as readerofTeaLeaves points out. I try to make these posts as simple as possible, but it is really difficult to express concepts that have so little to do with the conventional wisdom that people as smart as shooter242 rightly suspect that I am just making it up for ideological reasons.
That is one reason I heartily recommend Kelton’s materials. I was on my second draft trying to explain that issue, and still way too complicated. She makes it really clear.
In the same way, I don’t think Keynes is particularly ideological. He doesn’t use a lot of equations; but his prose is very dense, as shown in the quote I gave above, where I had to put bracketed material in just to make it clear to myself.
It’s in the union contracts that Boeing isn’t allowed to build outside of WA? Can I get a cite on that please?
Past strikes.
So, let me see if I’ve got this straight…. Accumulating capital and lending it out is unproductive and should be taxed out of existence? If so, how do enterprises get financing, buildings get built, and other large dollar consumptions go forward?
Hi, masaccio. . .
I don’t think either you or Keynes are wrong at all. I don’t, however, think the problem is thoroughly defined.
As important as consumption is to keep the economic engine running there isn’t thorough consideration about how people come to decide whether to consume or not, i.e., what individuals consider as beneficial in their lives, merely nice, or unnecessary. This can’t be a static problem easily forecast into the future or solved.
The result is an unavoidable measure of uncertainty, or sand poured into the gears. To minimize such, big investors, as well as big government, have to steer public attitudes toward some predictable outcome not just for today but for years hence. The motive there is a collective benefit for the public, self preservation for the government, and a more dependable (if not maximum) profit for the investor.
From an individual’s perspective, however, the result may be to place the cart before the horse. Then, at some point, we have to accept that the shrewedest may resist and go their own way regardless of what widget or program is trying to be sold to them. Who may be the winners and losers there?
I don’t think Keynes has an answer except to minimize free choice in order to suppress uncertainty, so we survive after a fashion. Hayek would throw up his hands and do nothing at all.
The purpose of any activity is to express life, for somebody to live. Accumulated wealth is death. If all you can think of to do with your life is to accumulate wealth, you have a big problem.
And [Jesus] said to them, “Take heed, and beware of all covetousness; for a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”
And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man brought forth plentifully; and he thought to himself, `What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’
And he said, `I will do this: I will pull down my barns, and build larger ones; and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; take your ease, eat, drink, be merry.’
But God said to him, `Fool! This night your soul is required of you; and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.” Luke 12
Maybe I am wrong.
That is a fascinating point. I’ll think about it.