If you needed any additional evidence that the Republican Party is a quasi-religious organization that no longer relies on empirical evidence in forming its policy positions, here’s Paul Ryan (R-WI) explaining why he wants to destroy Medicare to keep taxes low for millionaires.
ROBERT SIEGEL, host:
As you look forward, if you’re going to reach an agreement with the Democrats that raises debt ceilings, avoids calamity, is there ultimately some room that you can imagine, for – from your standpoint – at least some nominal tax increase that gives the possibility for both sides to walk into a room and come out of a room and say, we got some of what we wanted here? Or is that absolutely…
Rep. RYAN: I don’t yeah, I don’t see it. And let me explain why, and this isn’t a political thing. It’s an economic belief. It’s an economic doctrine thing.
Just so we’re clear about what that means — three definitions of “belief”:
1.
something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.2.
confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.3.confidence; faith; trust: a child’s belief in his parents.
And just like believing the Earth is flat or a child-like faith in Santa Claus, Ryan is admitting that — despite the fact that the Bush tax cuts have not produced jobs or shared prosperity, despite the fact that taxes are historically low and the deficit is historically high, despite the fact that there is no rigorous proof that low taxes do anything but make rich people richer — he refuses to raise them one iota because of his personal belief in the doctrine of St. Grover.
There’s nothing “serious” or “adult” about that. The man is a dangerous fanatic.



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Say it loud. Say it often.
(he is also a punk)
Thanks for the post BT. Have a great holiday week end.
But…..he has Ronald Reagan hair. That’s good enough for the wingnuts.
Do you think St. Ronnie’s hair jumped ship when he died and parked on Ryan’s head?
Call me when you can.
Feature, not a bug.
Of course, no amount of telling Americans about this will dissuade them of the notion that Republicans in government isn’t a big deal. It will take a wholesale collapse, and even then most would rather blame liberals and brown people instead of face the truth.
I wonder how Ryan’s hair would do in a fight against Mitt or Teh Donald? Nevermind. Everyone would lose against the steely defenses of Dick Cheney’s impermeable scalp.
OK
Ted Bundy had nice hair also. Just saying.
Do you tweet? I’d follow you for the snark!
Of course it’s just a “belief.”
Hell, we should be happy they’re being honest about it now. Well, more hones I guess. If they were totally honest they’d go ahead and say they support it cause it makes the rich richer. It’s not just Ryan, it’s all of those right wing assholes.
The problem is that (finallY) the American people have largely woke up to the fact that lower taxes equals better economy is a boatload of horseshit in a leaky boat so now they’re left with defending it any other way possible.
Calling it a “belief” is as good as any until they think of a better one that will fool enough people again the way the lower taxes equals better economy bullshit fooled them for awhile. You can bet the farm they’re working on finding out that new line of bullshit as we type. Until then belief is as good a reason as any.
Assholes.
All those right wing assholes, not just Ryan.
Right wing policies are evil and dangerous and result DIRECTLY in real human suffering. That cannot be defended. Period.
I thought that was trump’s hair??
Dammit I can’t keep up.
Hey, anybody told Ryan that we have Freedom of Religion in this country?
My belief system is not the same as his. I don’t believe in his economic Gods.
There fixed it for you Mr Ryan.
Dogma (from wikipedia)
And no, it has nothing to do with your favorite puppy, or a very bad idea, Mr Ryan. That’s a dog.
let me fix something for ya;
there ya go
Note… off topic.
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Paul Ryan worships AquaBuddha.
@Notorious2again
Another day another series of front page columns concerning various outrages and what the corporatist oligarchy and their political lackeys are doing. Is this the “kick ass activism” that FDL is advertising? Or am I missing something? Hasn’t anyone bothered to notice that they are what they are and are not going to stop their march toward enslaving the little guy and that that is not going to change no matter how much “we” write about it? When does the amateur punditry and ‘splaining stop and the action commence? Or does that require more “members” first?
Forensic experts have predicted that Larry Craig’s foot also had nice hair, but without him ever taking his shoes off during the infamous ‘wide-stance’ episode there’s no way to know for sure.
Snake’s (from The Simpsons) hair probably would have been a Republican.
Things Trump says in the bedroom for $600, Alex.
Now following. Wheeeeee!
What’s the forensic analysis of David Vitter’s ass hair?
The way to fight back is to not be the little guy.
I think we’re treading dangerously close to TMI here.
I think one problem in getting a agreement is that the 2 parties speak different languages.
1) When the GOP says no to raising taxes, they mostly mean no increase in Income Tax Rates.
2) The 2 parties disagree on what Government should do. GOP believes less government, while Dems believe in more Government.
So the way to a agreement is to look for ways, by reducing deductions, closing loopholes, and raising other types of taxes, then cut spending in areas that won’t hurt the poor, like defense.
Note to all you people saying lets return to the Bill Clinton income tax rates, it’s not that easy.
Remember that George W Bush cut income tax rates at the bottom to, so there are a lot more people who don’t pay income taxes anymore 47% of Americans as of 2010, and a return to the old rate would raise income taxes on them to.
It was my implicit understanding that he shaved or waxed it regularly in keeping with the baby bottom theme…
Paul Ryan: Yet Another Candidate For “Broom Pusher.” Seems like we could set up a Bastøy, Norway on one of the US’s Alaskan islands but we need to do a bit more research on the effective rehabilitation techniques for socio-psychopaths though.
I think the main problem is that the agreement has already been reached so any conversation on the topic of negotiation language is moot. We’re going to cut spending from the poor and not raise taxes on the rich. The debt ceiling will be raised. Medicare may live for now but it won’t for long. Necessary custs will be shifted to regulatory programs and Social Security benefits for future retirees 20+ years down the road.
Have you seen the GOP’s new manifesto for job creation? It is a 10 page joke. It has all the intellectual heft of an Archie’s comic book. It has to be seen to be believed.
Here it is.
See, God loves rich people the most that’s why they’re rich.
When he goes in the chamber he sees all the Good millionaires God has brought together and sees this is where god’s will is to be carried out.
Of course the great deceiver would use the same argument.
Since he’s stupid, in the form of a body, he’ll never explain the great school systems and economic system when the tax rate was 90%. Has this clown ever worked other than working the system? Has he experienced splinters, blisters, pulled muscles or an aching back from hard labor or does “his” god chose those people also ?
An Archie comic book tied to a helium balloon.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Blue texan:
It’s a whole lot more than just a belief, these people want to create a default and ultimately a depression because politically and economically there is nothing left to rebuild, no legal structure no constitutional empowerment of labor and no material assets upon which to build an economy. This is it, this is the brave new corporate world. And when you saw and heard Slick Willy McClinton tellin’ Ryan that there was nothing to fear from a default he wasn’t kiddin’…now we find out if ObamaRahma has the chops to play real politics and get out on the stump and tell the people that he will call the fascists bluff. If Obama stands up and says that in the event of a default he will nationalize all corporate assets and start throwin rich folks in jail in order to save the country you can bet that the banksters will be pushin’ the oil gamblers and their Ayan Rand lunatic stooges into the hands of the FBI.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!
;-) LOL!
Oh please.
Did they think dressing up the same old bullshit they’ve been saying for decades in a colorful new format is going to change anything?
Same old shit. It’s all the gubmint’s fault.
They could’ve saved time and money and just made it one page because that’s what all of those things are saying.
I sure wish the assholes that believe that crap really would experience life in a country with no government just once. See how they like it. My bet is most of ‘em wouldn’t survive it.
He was also a rising star in the Washington State GOP I like to point that out to the goobers evry chance I get. BTW fuck the Eddie Munster look alike.
So what are you suggesting we do about it, blink?
Free Market. Baby!
Except where and when they need the government to step in and quash competitors, wage a war in a country we need to grow our biz, control the costs, and gut anything else we don’t like. Oh and give us mo money to subsidize our operations. Yeah. That’ll do it. Create jobs like crazy. Yep.
Is that true or some urban legend?
Maybe we could work out a “foreign exchange student” program with Somalia just for them? But really we have got to come up with an effective method of dealing with their sponsors from the 1%ers.
You do realize that we all have lives outside of this website right? Lives that consist of protests, petition signings, local, county, and state campaigning and activism? Phone banking, letter writing, calling congress-critters, emailing, etc…
This is just our discussion forum. It’s not the extent of political activity for the majority of us.
Can we send, drown it in a tub, Norquist to that place first?
You tell it!
I’ve been on the phone in the past week with the Finance Committee in DC and local HUD offices. People are being thrown out into the streets!
Hear hear, Kris. I get very tired of drive-by commenters who put down the post and comments and don’t offer anything of substance. Just bitch.
Ryan is just a real junkyard Dog! Here he is admitting that he is planning on taking away from the weakest, poorest, and oldest among us to keep the wealthy from paying a few dollars more in tax!
I will tell it. FDL is an information source, a place to vent, a political power, a topical forum, a brain-storming center, a social-networking site…
It’s most of the tools individuals need to act or coordinate action. And without factual information to put to use, what good is activism? FDL is the place that brings all of that information together and arms the rest of us to go out and do good things.
Then there’s the whole getting Bradley Manning moves, getting student loan reform passed, the hand in local and state Marijuana legalization efforts, our pressure on the dream act, Marcy’s work on torture and wikileaks, etc etc etc.
Commenters like the one above are probably just having a bad day and feeling shitty about the state of our nation. They should really consider all of the above before knocking this website, though.
And as TBogg pointed out, we have bassetts. HuffPoo doesn’t have Bassetts.
There is a test, mzchief, set up by a psychologist (who, incidentally is having some “doubts”)which is widely used to determine if prison inmates are worthy of being set free on parole.
The test measures psychopathic “characteristics”.
Were the test applied to politicians how many would “fail”?
Perhaps, like the proposed “list” to determine where “lesser evil” pols REALLY stand, in relation to conscience and so forth … whether they are for themselves and the one percenters or actually concerned with hoi paloi … it would be easier, being “shorter”, to merely list those who pass?
Among the political class, there must be, one imagines, at least one or two? However, that might be but wishful thinking.
One also notes that the eyes of the beholders might contain some motes.
For example, Senator Reid pushed through the Patriot Act will so little discussion that one might think dangerous sacred text was involved … but next week, someone will, undoubtably, claim that our dear Senator Reid has our very best interests clearly and truly at heart and is a true “fighter”, par excellance, when it comes to championing truth, justice, and so on and so forth ad nauseum … so help us Dog.
Kubuki cannot succeed unless it has an audience ever ready and willing to suspend disbelief …
DW
Hell Toupee!
And never trust someone with a last name that is also a first name.
I haven’t seen any evidence that blink has worked on any projects launched here at FDL. If I’m wrong, blink, please correct me.
*heh* FDL got me to call the fricking Bahrain Desk at the State Department to ask the gummint to get Human Rights leader Al-Khawaja released from custody where he is being tortured. It’s a small, small thing, but something that wouldn’t have been done had I not read about it here.
Where’s Barry’s manifesto, OG? Is the federal government still just like a family? Where’s his jobs proposal? QE IV? QE V?
How does cutting spending produce jobs? Does he believe in the confidence fairy too?
No surprise. Conservatism left rationality behind long ago when it embraced the Religious Right as its new base: modern conservatism is faith-based. This is why it’s almost always futile to debate a conservative (and why conservatives have no problem with non-factual statements and hypocrisy); their truth is what they believe, not what they know. It’s why the Founding Fathers were wary of combining religion and politics; you can’t compromise with someone who only thinks in absolutes.
Still, Ryan’s admission is astounding; he is basically admitting that his budget plan is based on wishful thinking.
St. Barry, like St. Ronnie, should be exempted not just from our criticism and scrutiny, but from any expectation of positive influence or action. He’s the first progressive president, dontchyaknow?!
On edit – and like St. Ronnie, he’s nucking futs.
Hmmm … I’d like to learn more and would happily accept any links you might know of on that test.
And if anybody else is worried about people being thrown into the streets, then go to Cynthia’s last post and recommend it! We have to keep the conversations going and give people inspiration as to how to handle this. Nobody in DC is helping or intends to help regular homeowner/buyers.
http://my.firedoglake.com/cindykouril/2011/05/26/some-hopeful-signs-and-portents-on-the-foreclosure-fraud-front/
Please. It’s easy. Just click and recommend. You don’t gotta say anything.
Good job, PeasantParty. Yeah that’s area I’d like to know much more about but only when it’s prudent to have a public discussion on it.
These are also the assertions of a man who’d just as soon see a house burn down because he doesn’t believe in fire, or in firemen.
When oh when are we going to get the message out there: These irresponsible, heartless bastards are DELIBERATELY trying to destroy America.
I’m not speaking metaphorically here. Crashing the economy, destroying the dollar and our creditworthiness, recreating an entire underclass of paupers and serfs — this is what it means to destroy a country from within.
Well, use this space effectively obviously. Use it to organize effective, REAL activism. That is what I suggest “we” do about it. Nothing changes until the left-leaning netroots – at least the portions of it that purport to want to engage in activism – actually begin to, you know, organize and engage in effective activism.
FDL is advertising “kick ass activism.” Where? What?
http://my.firedoglake.com/members/blink/activity/263069
http://letters.salon.com/efebfaf9076b65f2a04b871e48578504/author/index13.html
Robert Hare designed the test which is used throughout the country.
I happened to hear an NPR segment, yesterday, which is probably available on line, speaking about a man named Dixon who had been denied parole in California based on this test, which was administered by a psychologist other than Hare.
Frankly, mzchief, I am always skeptical of such “applications” of the “understandings” of psychology, no doubt stemming from my time in the “dicipline”, which “discipline” has too readily, of late, made itself available to questionable uses for very questionable purposes, by my lights.
Mitchell and Jesson come to mind …
DW
2X
What projects!? I have been around since “we” at FDL sent rubber stamps to congress.
These disparate, flailing, reactionary, attempt put-out-the-fire projects are basically worthless. They aren’t forward thinking or proactive at all and aren’t even close to being big enough. They don’t challenge the establishment oligarchy in the least. Calling congresscritters and the like? STILL? Are you people effin serious?
Let me put it bluntly – there is ONLY ONE “project” that has any hope of bringing about significant, positive and lasting change in this country. Let’s see if ya’ll can guess what that is. Here’s a hint – Egypt.
I love the “…economic doctrine” thingy. It’s religious.
Oh! Okay.
You’re suggesting that FDL, an organization and website, openly organize a revolution against the US Government.
You do realize that would be treason, right? I’m just sayin’…
The test is termed the “PCL-R” for psychopaths and postulates the likelihood of genetic or inborn “predisposition” toward criminal “activity”. Hare was reluctant, at first, to publish the test, but then made it available to other psychologists.
DW
Digby is on it also. She closes with;
No, President Obama should not be exempted from principled criticism. One such criticism, which I have agreed with, is that the intial stimulus was too small. At the time I submitted my one and only diary mocking the “haircut” the stimulus received.
President OBama is; however, very sane.
yeah let them experience Afghanistan. I hear it is really decentralized there. But then you have the local warlord, Eg, David Koch. You can kiss his ring.
I will believe that there are two political parties in America if the Democratic Party announces that there will be immediate drives to unseat Republican candidates.
There should be people on the ground getting organized and organizing in Boehner’s, Paul Ryan’s, Mitch McConnell’s and Eric Cantor’s electoral districts. Publically and openly campaigning on making them totally un-electable permanently.
Bring down the big dogs and nail their hides to the wall and the snarling little pups will stop whining and start cringing.
No organized direct challenges to these four thugs means there is only the single Republican/Democratic party.
You will vouch for the sanity of using drones to kill at a distance, oldgold?
You will vouch for the sanity of allowing numerous statutes of limitation to expire regarding torture, with other statutes of limitation which concern the economic melt-down set to begin expiring starting next year, oldgold?
You will vouch for the propriety of testing anthrax vaccine on poor children, oldgold?
You will vouch for the sanity of this man if ever he is brought to stand before an international court of justice, oldgold?
(Not that any of the PTB, need really much concern themselves with the latter, so long as the US has nuclear hegemony …)
DW
No, that is not what I am recommending. I am recommending that we organize peaceful direct action and civil disobedience campaigns for the expressed purpose of putting enough pressure on the federal government so that they are forced to implement necessary, positive reforms to the electoral system. However, even if I was recommending the “overthrow” of the U.S. Government, I fail to see the problem with that. That you would see it as treason is telling or your ignorance. You wouldn’t have much liked the Declaration of Independence either I bet. That treasonous weasel Jefferson and his cohorts who sought to break away from a tyrannical, oppressive government. I bet you believe we live in a functioning democracy and all we need are a few more and better politicians right? Why don’t you educate yourself on what our political system has morphed into – namely Inverted Totalitarianism (links below). Then perhaps you will understand where we really are as a society and what it is really going to take to bring about any fundamental positive change in this country.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
http://www.alternet.org/news/85728/
I think there is merit in focused and large efforts at some of the worst assholes out there. I think it takes boots on the ground and money. When we do it, or if we do it, I will be there.
Ryan is more Eddie Munster than Raygun.
Like the protests that arguably led to Bradley Manning being removed from solitary?
Blink, excellent points. Direct action! The politicians don’t represent us. They represent the rich Kochsuckers. OilyBumbler laughs at the left because we don’t mean what we say.
I will vouch for President Obama’s sanity.
I do not and never have vouched for all of the policies he has pursued.
Someone who loves flowers loves snark that much?
That’s cool. But, I find snark, in a continual way, as a norm, is not a healthy attitude.
Just my experience. YMMV.
Getting Manning out of solitary and into Leavenworth where he still will stand trial and go to prison for the rest of his life was some grand achievement? How about fighting for a system where the Mannings of the future are never imprisoned in the first place? You are a small-time, short-sighted thinker. Read the links I provided or don’t. Either way your piecemeal “victories” are illusory. Placating crumbs tossed to you by a content ruling class.
It is not bad enough……… yet.
wait a few years, when runaway climate change hits. As it most certainly will, today we hit 395 ppm. quite a day.
all of these things will be unmanageable.
When enough unvouched for “policies” obtain, at what point do you ponder your own sanity … if you should find that the unvouched-for policies outnumber the vouched-for?
Perhaps, oldgold, you do not find the number of policies you cannot, in good conscience, support are increasing at a wee bit of an alarming rate?
Or, perhaps you do?
Your support for Obama does not seem, to me, to be quite so whole-hearted and almost total, as once was the case, oldgold.
DW