I don’t understand the Chocula quote. The D candidate won. Is he really saying that the election was a referendum about “defending freedom” and real Americans picked a Democrat? How does that square? He must be doing the TP plus R thing and saying over 50% voted for “freedom”.

Man, Pravda had nothing on these reichwing spinmeisters.

Heh, I wouldn’t of expected anything less.

Of course, the mainstream national Democrats were (and some still are) in denial about the 2010 elections too. They think it was because of cuts to Medicare…. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

That’s ok, hopefully, we’ll give them a repeat lesson in 2012 that, starting with Obama at the top, that they can be in denial about too.

Both parties are in denial because neither represent the people. Denial is the only way they can continue to function.

I think it’s a mistake to read very much into this election at all, except perhaps that the republicans are at risk of splintering over traditional vs. tea party republicans. If you combine the tea party and republican votes you get the majority vote. I’m glad to see a dem win and maybe it makes good propaganda to say this is a repudiation of the republican agenda but if we actually act on that claim we’re deluding ourselves.

Imagine how many ore votes we can get if we could trick the GOP into making a stand on cutting jobs instead of just Medicare?

One of the biggest points of this story is how high a percentage the D polled in a pretty Republican district. In that context, this does mean something and there is meaning to read into.

If you combine the tea party and republican votes you get the majority vote.

In that district.

it’s always a victory for conservatism.

Republicans suck in New York. Period. End of Story. [...] To say that this special election defeat of the GOP is a repudiation of the GOP’s efforts on Medicare is laughable on its face.

(Remember, for Erickson, every time a Democrat wins a Republican seat in upstate New York, an angel gets its wings.)

Erick knows New York city might be liberal but the burbs? the rest of the state? heck this district is about as GOP as you can get and still be outside of Texas.
And yet the GOP lost this district
Can the GOP hold Texas :)

Funny how both the Democrats and Republicans claim this wasn’t a referendum on Medicare.
It’s almost like they are ignoring the voters. /s

Yes I know I am being to hopeful and as long as their are computer voting machines the GOP can’t lose Texas.

Agreed they both want to cut medicare.

I think Texas is going to be difficult for the GOP to hold on forever.

It may not be in the next two or three cycles, but eventually Texas IMO has a decent chance of turning purple, maybe even trending blue.

But that’s no match for the eternal sunshine of the wingnut mind. No matter how real and humiliating the defeat for the GOP, it’s always a victory for conservatism.

They are nuts but I think this is also a pravdaganda technique to draw in any nearby village idiots.

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This district before Medicare cuts became an issue was very GOP if Dems vote in the next election at the same numbers they did in this election then the GOP loses the House and maybe the Senate.

Anytime a Republican wins an election Satan’s tail grows a little longer.

Cool then maybe we can get BT a job as Congressman:)

He was saying that the voters and the Republican candidate failed. The price, he implies, will be the loss of freedom.

The Republican ideal of freedom is 19th century corporate serfdom.

If what the Republicans call socialism enables us to live better and longer, then shouldn’t we all be socialists?

What Republican politicians call socialism is any use of government that does not enrich themselves and their cronies at the EXPENSE of everyone else.

That’s funny, but it doesn’t seem to matter who wins the elections. The Republicans still get their way.

{ LOL } However, it seems to me that firm, fixed-price public financing of campaigns with equal access to all media outlets and candidates would put a stop to the never ending idiot parade and cash cow for politicians and their consultants. End the financial incentives for the parasite classes!

Yeah, and somehow it’s always the Republicans fault too.

R Senate, R House, Bush Prez, oh those damned Republicans did all that bad stuff.

D Senate, D House, O Prez, oh those damned Republicans made us do all that bad stuff.

It would be funny if folks weren’t really that illogical. But many are.

These wingnuts really should lay off the pipe for awhile…

ThingsComeUndone May 25th, 2011 at 10:54 am
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Cool then maybe we can get BT a job as Congressman:)

Margaret too!

It’s not a matter of Regressives or Vichycrats. It’s neoliberalism. We’ve got to find candidates who are vocal about the evils of neoliberalism. The moves to privatize Medicare, Medicaid, SS and everything else is the core of that ideology.

She just found a job I heard:) But yes if she or BT wants to run they should. The Lake really should think about running someone we all know how they think because they argue here regular.
Better to support the person we know personally rather than some Rahm picked blue dog loser.

Maybe send out a score card/ questionaire to current and prospective candidates?

Yeah, that’s true SD. And at the federal level, they’re almost done so they’re really going after the states now.

I still can’t believe everything that’s been privatized in the military. No more KP duty??? WTF???

And there’s no way in hell that paying a company to cook the meals, do the laundry, clean up the mess hall, where they must pay employees AND make a profit, is going to be cheaper than having active duty soldiers do it that way we did for 200 years.

Assholes.

Problem with those is that it’s easy to lie on them. Track record of public stances or actions would be preferable. I’d prefer a person who has run locally and lost due to his/her stance on the status quo.

Funny that you bring that up cuz that’s the first place I’d de-privatize.

A questionaire maybe, leave the scorecard to FDL. It is way too easy for them to make fudges or campaign promises they never intend to keep.

Like Margaret says: No more Vichy Dems!

Yep, same here, that’s the FIRST place I’d go too. It has to cost way more money.

You are so wrong. That district was actually created after the 2000 census as a solid Republican seat. Even prior to that only 3 Dems have won since 1860! Jack Davis the “Tea Party” candidate has run as a DEMOCRAT 3 times prior to this election. He was never viewed as the other conservative. Furthermore, he only won 9% of the total vote. If he had gotten at least a double digit showing the crybaby GOP would have more of an argument. The fact is Corwin lost because of one thing she stated she supported: the Paul Ryan “kill Medicare” plan.

Funny O/T

Kyle Busch, NASCAR driver, clocked at 83 MPH OVER THE SPEED limit. LOL

You can take the boy out of the race car, but you can’t take the race car outta the boy!!

Failed as in failing to defend freedom strongly enough to win. Ah. That makes more sense.

Watch Democrats use this election to go and claim they “saved” Medicare by taking a hacksaw to Medicare as part of a “grand bargain.”

“Furthermore, he only won 9% of the total vote. If he had gotten at least a double digit showing the crybaby GOP would have more of an argument.”

So when are Democrats going to stop complaining about Nader?

When Nader supporters stop bringing it up.

Given the facts some have claimed here about NY-26 and it’s political leanings, it appears as if Hochul, the “D,” winning is some sort of “voter referendum” about Ryan’s shitty budget, which proposes to rip off Medicare, etc. So: good to know.

That said, I’m inclined to say: so what? Will the “Democratic” pols in Wash DC, including Hochul, actually VOTE for what the “small people” want and, you know, voted them in to do?? I seriously doubt it.

Lotta Kabuki show happening down Dee Cee way, and my expectation is that we’re gonna be sold down the river by so-called “Democrats,” who’ll cave & be all bi-partisany & grand bargain-y with their very great friends, the so-called “Republicans.”

I have no expectation of any so-called “Democratic” politician “making use” of this election in any way that will actually benefit the “average voter.” The Oligarchs are still in charge.

How do we deal with that reality?

That’s a very good point.
Call me a lefty wingnut, but it all comes down to those pesky machines.
IF the powers-that-be think a Republican victory is important enough, their boy/girl WILL win. (As in the Prosser-Kloppenburg debacle. Imagine that! 7000 votes! Just enough to win. Yay!)
And, even if we get a straight election in 2012 (which I doubt), I’m not getting orgasmic over Hochul’s victory. We should remember the Congressional elections of 2006, and then 2008. Mr. Hope-and-Change rides to victory in what SHOULD have been for us a perfect storm. (No more PATRIOT Act. Employee Free Choice Act. Yay!) Then zilch happens anyway.
As H.L. Mencken once said, “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American electorate.”
Turd Blossom and the rest of his fascist gang have more than a year to make everyone forget all about Medicare.
It’s also a valid point that a 3rd party candidate was in the race; don’t be declaring “mandate” just yet, people.

The attempt at subverting the the will of the people of New York State by the imperialistic Democratic Party will not go unchallenged. The try voice of the people will be heard and….

Oopps

Wrong tab.

Never mind.

With McCain the Democrats got less than 26% of the vote – this time it was closer to 48% of the vote.

Something changed – Medicare perhaps?

WTF, indeed. What got me is when I heard that private companies guard some military installations. What, no more guard duty?