Ever throw salt on a slug, or holy water on a vampire? The resulting reaction is pretty similar to the one achieved whenever someone mentions the inherent racism and bigotry of the modern Republican and conservative movements. They often come in the form of the heatedly eloquent denial complete with cherry-picked data; for instance, this one cites Democratic opposition to LBJ’s Civil Rights Act without pointing out that the opposition was in large part from Southern Democrats who joined the Republican Party once Nixon signaled via the Southern Strategy that the GOP was no longer the Party of Lincoln.
Yeah, they keep saying they’re not bigots and racists. But.
Let’s just look at news items from the past four weeks:
– Marilyn Davenport, a Southern California Tea Party activist and member of the central committee of the Orange County Republican Party, sent an e-mail out to fellow conservatives that featured the words “Now you know why no birth certificate,” over a photo of a family of three apes, the infant one of which had Obama’s face superimposed.
– Michele Bachmann’s longtime and embarrassing association with seriously bonkers anti-gay (and anti-a-lotta-other-stuff) bigot Bradlee Dean finally hit the national media, thanks to Rachel Maddow’s show earlier this week.
– Even as recent polling shows nearly six in ten Minnesotans don’t want the state constitution amended to include a ban on same-sex marriage, state Republican legislators like Gretchen Hoffman are pushing ahead with their plan to put the constitutional enshrinement of marriage inequality on the ballot in November of 2012.
– The well-funded conservative issues group “Minnesota Majority”, currently known for a strange bit of performance art involving a truck plastered with graphics that seemingly imply that being made to pay their share of taxes will cause Minnesota’s rich to frequent soup kitchens, also is involved in lobbying for insurance companies against any sort of meaningful health care reform — and its most notable representative in that effort, Dave Racer, has a career apparently predicated on making political hay out of inflaming people’s racist impulses. Check this out:
Minnesota Majority’s Web site features an issue paper on health care, which backs consumer-driven health care and claims that racial diversity and single-parent households negatively affect health in the United States.
“Black women, for a variety of reasons, are more prone to underweight babies than are Caucasian and Asian women. It is not surprising that Sweden has a lower infant mortality rate, or that Japan has a longer life expectancy than the United States does. They are nearly racially pure; we are not,” says the Web page, written by public speaker and former radio talk show host David Racer.
Remember, the whole point of the Southern Strategy is that rich people and businesses use racism as a means to get whites, especially working-class whites, to vote against their own best interests. Bigotry is used to get voters to back cutting social programs that are seen as mainly helping people who aren’t white, male, Christian, or heterosexual — and the way to cut these programs is by cutting taxes, especially on the rich. This is why bigotry and Republicanism have been intertwined for decades, and will stay that way until the Republican Party collapses of its own foul weight.




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Or, more likely, the US goes full-bore fascist. We’re already well along the way to at least a type of “soft” fascism, and if the economy collapses it may become “hard”. Look at the way that Repugs are trying to restrict the franchise where they have power. And yes, fascism requires all sorts of public enemies in order to justify the never-ending state of emergency and use of extraordinary powers.
I also don’t see the Repugs collapsing, despite the gleeful predictions of many liberal commentators. I am more likely to predict the *Democratic* party blowing up, like the Whig party did, tearing itself apart between its “Republican lite” corporatist wing and its social democratic wing. In fact, the latter just might have to happen in order for us to stand a chance.
steawrtm, hate to be the voice of gloom this morning.
Great post, PW.
Bob Dylan had it right almost 50 years ago:
For “Negro”, substitute the scapegoats du jour–we’ve made very little progress over the last 40+ years.
Latinos.
If’n ya ain’t a WASP yer not acceptable to the T-Regressive Party.
I remember no such thing.
Except for a couple of anecdotes in California and Minnesota, you offer no proof of this extraordinary statement about racial bigotry. I would say that any significant political bigotry is religious not racial, except some against latinos as econobuzz indicates, and it’s practiced on both sides of the aisle.
The R’s seem to be doing quite well at the moment, and in fact have attracted a lot of Dem support in Washington. In fact the Dems are falling all over themselves trying to be Repubs.
Really?
Then you didn’t live in the South during the late 60s or 70s. One of the reasons most states in the South are “right-to-work” states is because unions accepted non-whites as members. Politicians scared whites into thinking they’d lose their jobs to African-Americans if they voted for people who supported unions. Now it’s Latinos.
Someone within the last few years, maybe Lani Guinier, said that many of the civil rights programs, like school equality, should be recast in terms of equality of education wrt income, not race. I thought it was a brilliant idea. Achieves the same end, but lowers the temperature at which the debate takes place.
Bob Herbert has a nice short picture of it in a 2005 column entitled “Impossible, Ridiculous, Repugnant.” Here’s a snip:
But click through to read the whole column.
That the Republican Southern Strategy wasn’t racist? Kevin Phillips:
“From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that… but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”
Maybe you just meant today? From Wikipedia:
However, many are beginning to rethink the decline of the Southern Strategy.[citation needed] During the 2010 midterm elections, Republicans swept the South, successfully reelecting every Senate incumbent and electing freshman Marco Rubio in Florida and Rand Paul in Kentucky. In the House, Republicans reelected every incumbent except for Joseph Cao and defeated several Democratic incumbents. Republicans are now the majority in the congressional delegations of every Southern state. Every Southern state, with the exception of Arkansas, elected or reelected Republicans governors. Republicans also took control of both houses of the Alabama and North Carolina state legislatures for the first time since Reconstruction. Many analysts believe the so-called “Southern Strategy” that has been employed by Republicans since the 1960s is now complete, with Republicans in firm, almost total control, of political offices in the South.
Do you mean anti-gay bigotry is religious bigotry? Please explain.
And how is it practiced by “both sides of the aisle”? I concur that I think that many of my fellow progressives are also prejudiced and unaware of it (under when it comes to broadly shared social prejudices) but in most things they’re still heads-and-shoulders above Repugs.
-stewartm
Couldn’t have anything to do with everybody in those nations having access to adequate health care while for us it’s a “privilege” for those who can afford it could it? One thing I find insipid and abominable is the ubiquitous, “I’m not a bigot! I have lots of (insert minority group here) friends!”
I’ll bet you’ve got a lot of ________________ friends too.
DFHs, too.
These guys are still fighting in the 60s.
Crap.
We have lots of examples, including, most prominently, all the lower-income whites who vote Republican.
OT for you Margaret …
In all that you are sifting for Monday morning -best wishes, my dear!- you might add these ideas … you have to judge the situation for yourself of course, but these crossed my mind:
* you might want to put together a brief portfolio -just a few printouts, as nicely bound as you can manage- of samples of your previous work; and
* you might consider offering to start on the spot to show them what you can do -on spec, as it were- especially combined with the work samples (or not) you could show them how you could work with them to make their graphic visions come to life.
Be the beautiful bird in hand!
All the best luck, my dear!
on edit: if printing is an issue you could figure out a way to email them some samples or take an electronic copy ….
There’s a Christian basis to the subjugation of females and gays, for two examples. Also American Exceptionalism has always had a strong religious basis as we see currently with basis against Muslims. The number of Americans who believe every word of the Bible is quite high, and it’s all in there.
There was as much or more racial bigotry in the North and West, in fact PW’s two anecdotes are in the North and West as I indicated.
They don’t like women and minorities. It’s a challenge to their self-importance.
Why are you trying so hard to excuse and defend bigots?
I still have my portfolio but thanks. I didn’t burn that bridge when I went into science.
If a diarist is claiming something to be true then proof should be provided. What ‘everyone knows’ is often erroneous.
Yes, this leads to a favorite story of mine. You see, Hitler used to complain when he got complaints from Germans about how one of their Jewish friends were being unfairly treated, and this shouldn’t be allowed to happen because these were ‘good Jews’ (unlike supposedly the rest): “Eighty million Germans, and all of them know one ‘good Jew’!!”. But what’s interesting is that *Hitler himself* knew of a “good Jew”–Dr. Eduard Bloch, the doctor who treated his mother when she developed cancer and died from it. When Hitler annexed Austria in 1938, Dr. Bloch, instead of being harassed and humiliated like all the others, Gestapo guards were posted outside of Dr. Bloch’s house to make sure Bloch and his family were not disturbed, on direct orders from Hitler himself. Bloch and his family then were able to sell their house unmolested and emigrate to New York.
So by the “But I have friends who are [insert minority group here]!” excuse, Hitler really couldn’t be an anti-Semite, because he was friendly towards one Jew. So what can one make of a standard by which the world’s most notorious anti-Semite really passes as “not bigoted”?
-stewartm
People who defend or deny bigotry, even if not bigots themselves, help to advance it in a more insidious and subtle way than the people who go around in klan hoods waving the stars and bars. I have no use for such people.
I’m not excusing and defending bigots, I am saying that the source is more religious than political, by far.
As far as bible interpretations go, everyone reads in it what they want to read in it. Bigots interpret passages in a way that support their views.
That’s not the only example. One of Hitler’s most trusted bodyguards right up until the time of his death had a Jewish parent. When he got married, his oath that he was of “pure Aryan descent” was fudged over.
Subjugation of gays and females is not limited to the Christians. The Old Testament is also the Hebrew Bible and fundamental Judaism can be just as intolerant. Islam doesn’t exactly treat gays and females well either.
Bigotry is bigotry, no matter the flavor. Trying to draw distinctions is like trying to draw them between Prestone and Peak antifreeze. They all come from the same roots and they are all equally insidious and destructive.
Well, with women and gays, there’s an element of truth to that. But one must keep in mind that with Muslim the public stereotype of them is admixed with brown skin, and because of this during times of anti-Muslim prejudice other brown-skinned peoples (Latin Americans, Asians, etc) have suffered attacks by bigots who mistook them for Muslims. So there’s a racial element to that prejudice too.
-stewartm
Then we agree that PW is wrong to tie all bigotry to Repubs?
Organizationally, Nixon created his Southern strategy in 1960 by riding the coattails of the South’s support for Eisenhower’s two terms. That is, the Republicans worked hard to get a party organization in every county they could just to have a presence and to have an opposition candidate in the general election.
But it was Strom Thurmond’s support of Barry Goldwater against LBJ that began the movement of Dixiecrats to take over the Republican Party. And that began in 1965 when Republicans offered to transfer Thurmond’s seniority when he switched; Democrats were then thinking about stripping Thurmond of his chairmanship.
Then Southern county Democratic organizations sandbagged McGovern in the 1972 election and allowed folks like Jesse Helms to be elected to the Senate.
What started the avalanche was when a coup in the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention and its alliance with Jerry Falwell’s (segregationist) Moral Majority undercut the Southern support that Jimmy Carter had in 1976. That and economic anger at Carter’s economy cost heavily.
It was George Bush’s coup that took Southern Democrats from minority status to having no power at all. And it happened in the stampede to war in 2002. The 2010 election just took that sweep to the state legislatures (even in NC).
Yep. And don’t forget the other half of the Southern Strategy – voter suppression. Witness all the proposed voter I.D. laws and other new legislation making it harder to register to vote by GOP-controlled states as well as the dirty tricks Republicans have used over the years like voter caging and jamming Democratic phone banks to name a few.
I suspect the Republican leadership has decided they need to rely more on voter suppression tactics as their base shrinks and are using their current majorities to push through as much electorally favorable legislation as they can while they can. Actually, that explains a lot.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Phoenix Woman:
“…until the Republican Party collapses of it’s own foul weight.”
Sorry Sister Phoenix Woman but, especially in Minnesota, the Republican Party will not collapse of it’s own weight because it is nuthin but a rear projection image of money. American fascism will not go away, there will be no advancement in American politics, until the concentration of wealth and it’s corrsponding power is blown up either by confiscatory taxation or by an economic depression in which the public treasury is not used to solidify the consentrated power of what wealth is left in the system.
I have said for over 2 years now that not enough plutocrats and oligarchs jumped out of skyscapers in the last stock market crash…unlike the period between 1929-1932. What we now have is a controlled crash, not unlike a controlled burn in a forest, that simply harvested what was left of the reserves from the productive classes and transferred it to the oligarchy to shore up the banks and holding companies.
No Sister Phoenix Woman, there will be no natural death for American fascism and I’m not certain that it will go away quietly by being recalled from elected office.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE WAR IS NOW IN YOUR LIVINGROOM!!!
As the name implies the Southern Strategy was initially directed towards the southern states, which had usually voted Democratic until the civil rights movement. Dixiecrats. I was referring to the initial target of the Southern Strategy. It’s still in play, except now it’s used nationawide.
Denial is not only a river in Egypt.
She didn’t tie “all bigotry” to Republicans. Please point to where she said that because I must have missed it. And that quote you put in doesn’t even imply that Republicans are responsible for “all bigotry”.
PW:
I’m still wondering how you get bigotry out of that. Bigotry and the Republican Party *have* been intertwined for decades, as I and several other commentators have written. The Southern Strategy is part of the historical record.
And which bigotry are progressives equally guilty of? As I said, I believe many progressives are guilty of some, but generally of prejudices are broadly shared throughout the culture.
-stewartm
Im late to the party…but religion did not have much to do with denying the vote to women and Blacks….that seems quite political.
Great! Go get ‘em!
Citizen SouthernDragon:
‘Mornin’ Brother Dragonman, I’ll be thinkin about you and the rest of the brothers and sisters trapped in the great toxic waste dump of Dixie today while I am marchin’ with our recall candidate in a little town out here in the toolies of the heartland of democracy and anus of progress. Keep the red flags flyin, Brother fire spitter.
And even Atwater apologized for his tactics before he died; at least that gives us a clue for “knowing his heart.”
Just another Dittohead victim of vicious liberal smears. God does that get old….
Give it to ‘em, bro. The Regressives reeled out their crank and proceeded to step all over it. 2012 is gonna be great fun here.
Citizen Margaret:
Keep on keepin’ on…good things happen to those who do good, just not fast enough.
And not all people who bought into it were Southerners. Ronald Reagan comes to mind.
The bigotry and racism must have some connection to the authoritarian, conservative mind it seems to me. My brain just does not -cannot- work that way. I meet and talk with many people who are ‘different’ from me and sometimes I look at them and think, “if I were racist …” and it just does not compute. I am too busy engaging with them to notice the differences with anything but curiosity about their culture and life experience.
Racism is so cruel. And so ugly.
I would argue that both long-standing prejudices arose from our cultural/historical trajectory and became codified into our historical politics (and into religion) because of that. A quibble, but an important quibble.
-stewartm
And I’ll be thinking of my Wisconsin brothers and sisters who are marching today. Thanks for the good wishes @ 43 btw. :)
Keep marching. Keep writing. As Dragonman says Never give up!
I’ll be working many hours on the Stamp Out Hunger project today.
I’ve always been a bit of an activist, but this site has certainly inspired and supported me to do more.
Holding that faith, for sure.
It appealed to bigots everywhere in the country and has worked quite well.
Citizen Margaret:
Of course racism is a disease that afflicts the entire country but it’s most complete embodiment is in the “culture” of Dixie which just happens to be the geo-political center for fascism in America.
The ministers who defend that kind of bigotry will always defend their positions by saying something about their community’s standards.
Oh, shit I gotta get my bag out to da mailbox. I’da sat here and spaced it out. Thanks.
Ding.
Bad news: there are bigots and assholes (read incurious and selfish) everywhere.
Good news: if everyone who has a good heart helped just one person every single day, we could Change The World.
Challenges a’plenty. Also, opportunities.
Isn’t that the truth?? I mean, I am delighted to meet and talk to people who are “different” than me in some way. Who wants sameness?
That is one of my fears about the future: that the spread of English as the de facto world language, of capitalism, of the West’s apparent desire to “convert” everyone else to its way of thinking (perhaps arising from its Christian roots) will make all the world the same. Our differences will be reduced to superficialities.
-stewartm
You’re a doll! (‘Course we all know that.)
Per above, I do not think I am much into quibbling…but I think the racial/inferiority view has a lot to do with a human/”sinful” need to feel better than/superior to whomever we can. Totally at odds with being created =, etc. Then a variety of claims are made to justify how superior one can be.
Morning, demi.
I’m hearing now late June on the foreclosure. She’s moving to her mother’s place, so some of the stuff will probably end up there.
You’re correct. She didn’t tie “all bigotry” to Republicans. PW instead wrongly implied that all Repubs are bigots and therefore the Party would collapse.
No.
I have not a clue if you are correct…but that is a repulsive view of ministry in which community standards are not the basis for morality or belief. Surely something got lost in translation.
Very cool. Hoping it all works out for the best. And, thank you.
Then you need to defend your claim: a simple NO doesn’t cut it.
Having been a (nearly) lifelong resident, I’m all too aware. :(
A new Low Bar. Ha!
I didn’t get that “all Repubs are bigots” nor that the party would collapse from bigotry. I think your own prejudice may be peeking through. If you don’t like PW, why troll her threads? There is an author at FDL with whom I have some pretty deep differences. I’m not going to name that author but you’ll never see me on one of his/her threads out of respect for everybody else. It boots nothing to content or authorship troll. Disagreeing is one thing but making shit up to fuel your outrage and attempt to discredit someone is loathsome.
Thing is, it’s not sustainable. At all.
Some of the smarter business interests are figuring that out.
The next time someone wants to come on to a thread and take pot shots at the writer of the post, they really should consider writing their own thread. Myfdl. Oh, that’s right. That would take effort. Not really. A couple of clicks, write your rant/comment/intellectual point, another click and there you are. Voy-la! Anyone can do it. Really.
But religion, like patriotism (civil religion), is the last refuge of scoundrels. And one major event that shaped the past 30 years is when in 1978 the Republican Party took over the Southern Baptist Convention.
Counter to that were the large number of Southern white ministers who joined black clergy in the civil rights movement. And the non-Southern religious who came South and risked their lives to awaken America’s conscience.
A lot of seemingly theological battles within local churches and denominations as you stated are political struggles seeking religious legitimacy for political positions.
Dixie is the geo-political center for fascism in America? I didn’t know that. Did that happen after the Repubs moved in or before? Southern hospitality is probably at the core of it. First they feed you cornbread and chitlins, and some fried chicken, plus watermelon, and then it’s all over.
In my experience, racial attitudes in the South are a failure of confession and repentance for what is essentially held in being by social pressure. Southerners who have turned their backs on racism, think of Robert Byrd for example, have gone through a period of denial, struggle, and then liberation. The rest remain in a state either of denial or pride.
My bold.
And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have a tell.
After reading these posts, many here are bigoted.
It’s the ‘support your local authorities’ version, I think. (Wasn’t the way I was raised. Our minister was really a Christian.)
The way I look at it, the more trolls I get, the better the indication that I’m on the right track.
LBJ himself said to his aide Bill Moyers, upon signing the Civil Rights Act in July of 1964, that the Democrats had now “lost the South for a generation” as a result. It has turned out to be for much longer than that.
And as for the label “Southern Strategy”: That wasn’t invented by me, or even by the strategy’s 1960s creator, Kevin Philips. But I suspect donbacon knows all of this.
Thank you for your uninformed opinion. (Don’t let the door hit you.)
BTW, if we’re all so bad, WTF are you here?
(Ah, I see. Another damned troll.)
As if we needed another. Just like Haley Barbour, Pat Buchanan and George Wallace are “smart” that’s just extra confirmation of who we are dealing with. (Not implying these commentators are the same person but they are certainly of the same mindset)
You’re a good person T. I don’t give this person anywhere near that much credit.
Nice try, Sparky.
In spite of that tell, I have to agree that Dixie is not the center of fascism in America. It is the periphery. Wall Street and the Rockefeller Center area of New York City, home to corporate media, constitute the center of fascism in America. All Dixie can muster is Bank of America and Rush Limbaugh. Oh, and then there’s Houston and Tulsa.
Sorry Koch followers, Wichita ain’t Dixie.
Looking for another site I suspect. Hey, stevepatriquin, the initials here are “FDL”, not “KKK”. Just sayin’.
That’s mighty old bait to go trolling with. Worse than soggy breadballs.
The Regressive takeover in 2010 because Dems and Indies stayed home gave it a good toehold. As usual, however, they overreached and are likely to pay for it in 2012. (P)rick Scott of FL definitely wanted to turn the state into a full fledged corporate state. Even his Regressive super majority in the legislature wouldn’t go along with all of it. We’ve still a fight on our hands.
disgusting post. proving my point, however.
Here’s how the “Republican Party collapses of its own foul weight.” Not.
Obama Taking Steps Aimed at Boosting Domestic Oil Output
May 14 (Bloomberg) — U.S. President Barack Obama said his administration will begin stimulating domestic oil production to blunt rising gasoline prices with measures including encouraging drilling in Alaska and giving oil companies more time to comply with safety regulations.
In today’s Republican address, Representative Martha Roby of Alabama touted measures passed by the U.S. House to increase domestic energy production and spur economic growth.
PW, erroneously calling me a troll — check the definition — will only increase my interest in your baseless diaries.
Where’s my mod?
The adults are talking. Here’s a graham cracker, now go outside and play.
See my 86.
Heh, yer 86ed.
XD
Here’s how the Southern Strategy’s creator, Kevin Philips, described part of the mechanism behind it back in 1970:
Here’s Lee Atwater in 1981 — well after the Southern Strategy was allegedly discontinued after Nixon — describing another, connected portion of that mechanism:
I knew Michael Steele was doomed as RNC Party Chair, despite the looming GOP victories of 2010, when he dared to go against Republican and conservative orthodoxy and admit that, far from having been abandoned after Nixon, the Southern Strategy has been part of the GOP playbook for the past four decades.
Mr. donbacon it does seem as if someone struck a nerve. However, I do agree with you, it truly appears as if democrats in Washington D.C. are attempting to become Republican-lite. I guess this is what Obama meant by bringing the country together.
That’s why I like to call it “the corporate-bigot alliance known as the Southern Strategy”.
As Lee Atwater made clear, it’s not just about bigotry, it’s about corporate interests using bigotry to push for lower taxation. So long as people think it’s simply about bigotry, they’ll miss that key point of it.
It’s not a question of Regressive-lite. It’s a matter of neoliberalism. The Dems are latecomers to it but have wholeheartedly embraced it.
Mark my words and I said it here first. Apartheid, South African style soon at a U.S. state near you courtesy of the Supreme Court, (Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, Alito), religious right (Billy Graham and crew), rich republicans (Koch brothers), paid for democrat politicians (Obama/Reid/Landrieu/Hoyer/and others), lazy voters(college students,single moms, minorities, low information whites), and finally, (I got mine middle class).
ygm
What the Vichycrats are becoming is reprehensible but isn’t the subject of this post. I refuse to preface all of my comments with “Democrats suck ass” and end them with “BTW, Democrats also suck ass”.
backatcha
Yep. Lowering corporate tax rates to near zero was one of Scott’s big issues the legislature wouldn’t go along with. Nor would they go along with a truly repressive immigration bill. They did reduce the tax rate for small businesses, those earning less than $250K, although we know some of those “small businesses” are wholly owned subsidiaries of large corporations it will help what independent small businesses are left.
thanks.
Well, I don’t know if we can get all the plants moved. Would require a truck, or a larger trailer.
Republican use of bigotry is a pragmatic tactic, not necessarily a core value of the party, though it may be a core value for some followers. So all the points made here about “good Jew” or “good Muslim” just reinforce that it is not a core value.
The one enduring core value is power: getting it, keeping it, and using it. And of course money = power, so money is also a core value.
In the use of power there is an obvious difference between public power and private power: private power is much easier to use for those who have it. So this leads naturally to a war against public power: privatize everything, and oppose everything public.
Now to the tactics: find minority pockets that are easy to demonize and too powerless to fight back effectively. Choose targets that serve multiple purposes at the same time. So we have blacks in the Southern Strategy, using bigotry to both gain white votes, and destroy union power. So we have plaintiff lawyers, to make the use of corporate power easier, and reduce a source of Democratic funding. So we have Muslims, exploited through bigotry, but also to perpetuate foreign wars. So we have gays. who nature won’t ever make into a majority. So we have Latinos, who made a nice target 50 years ago, but now threaten to grow out of their minority status.
With enough of these targets Republicans can cobble together election victories, and of course voter suppression and election fraud are a complementary part of that. Think of the war on drugs and the associated lifetime disenfranchisement of minorities as an election strategy.
The debate about whether all Republicans are bigots, or whether all bigots are Republicans is just falling into the Republican us versus them debate trap: it is all a way to keep us talking about small things, and to keep us squabbling and finding differences between ourselves, instead of finding ares of common ground.
Most progressives understand that we have a lot of concerns in common with Tea Partiers, but the Republican message has the Tea Partiers mostly finding things to fear about progressives, so it is consistently difficult to find those common grounds.
The Republicans have always been the party of power, dedicated to those who have it, and unremittingly suspicious of those who don’t. Remember Edmund Burke thought that ordinary working people should never be allowed to vote.
Republicans point to their personal knowledge of the intentions of the founding fathers, conveniently forgetting that the constitution was written in a way as to divide the power of the branches of government. Also forgetting the Boston Tea Party was all about opposition to the private power of monopoly corporations.
So the founding fathers were very suspicious of public power and private power equally. The Koch brothers would not have been welcome at the Constitutional Convention.
:)
Yet African Americans and Hispanics both flee the south and come North and stay my Grand Aunt hated Texas her proudest thing to brag about my Dad was when he went to a job in Texas and ordered around the Red Neck workers. She of coursed mentioned they where still overcharging Mexicans for beer in the supposedly desegregated
bars so my Dad ordered Scotch.
I wonder if other Southern States did the same strategy that might explain the difference between beer and hard liquor, wine taxes and also explain why the elite rich in those states probably have more drinking problems.
I should research this.
Mike Royko did note that MLK’s attempt to march in a Chicago neighborhood was worse than anything he faced in the South.
Further evidence Bull Connor the sheriff who fire hosed African American marchers was a Dem Presidential delegate and he cast his vote for Mayor Daley to be President.
Still my family at least chose Chicago over Texas and never wanted to go back.
A more objective measure of racism would be prison rates life spans and infant mortality rates.
Obama saw the Citizens United verdict coming ages ago — hell, anyone could, with the makeup of the Roberts Court — and knew that the corporate money floodgates would be opened. Already, unions were outspent something like twenty to one by corporate and other moneyed interests (the Koch empire is privately held); the CU ruling would bump that up another order of magnitude.
There is one possible thing I see standing in the way of the corporate-bigot alliance (or perhaps I should say bigmoney-bigot alliance, as Koch Industries is a privately-held entity), and that’s this move by the IRS concerning gift taxes on massive political donations:
The people who would insist you do that are the people who are trying to hijack FDL rather than get their own blogs or use the MyFDL diaries. It’s not just that they want to express themselves, they want complete and total (and dare I say fascistic?) control of other people’s conversations.
To assert that Southern whites vote against their economic self interest by voting Republican begs the question of whether, by voting Democratic instead, they would be voting for their economic self interests.
And a host of evidence demonstrates that the Democrats are corporatists. Their willingness to “cave” on issues such as expiration of the Bush tax cuts, or their remarkable willingness to go along with Wall St. demonstrates this. It simply is not credible to assert that voting Democratic rather than Republican has anything but the most cosmetic economic impact. Quite frankly, I am beginning to question not only the reasonableness but also the honesty of those who contend or suggest otherwise.
Second, as the phenomenon of PC demonstrates, there is plenty of hate on both sides of the culture wars. Until liberals clean up their own house with respect to PC, they have little standing to criticize others for their asserted failings.
Selling your state to Wall Street or Wichita doesn’t in my mind constitute being the center of fascism, just one of the flunkies.
Throughout the South, 2012 is going to be something of a snapback year if Democrats work hard.
For progressives in the South, the chances to move forward are in Virginia in 2013 and elsewhere in 2014. (Even South Carolina might be tired of Nikki Haley by then.) To do this, we need to start finding candidates and building organizations now. The Democratic Party in a lot of Southern states at the local level is in such disarray that if progressives come in with a progressive candidate who has a strong local following (that’s what organization gets you) that they will beg you to fly the Dem flag in order to rebuild their brand.
See my 92.
Aren’t all the Thug Supremes Catholics? I think you can remove the P from WASPs.
I wasn’t implying it would be the center but a follower of the ideology centered at Wall Street.
Well, a lot of ‘em aren’t Anglo-Saxon either, just white. It’s an old term one hardly sees or hears any more.
Tell it like it is: “a colony”
White Spaniards were in Mexico a lot longer than African Americans were in America there are more of us who are mixed yet we live longer than Whites when we get to America. Plus Spain imported slaves from Africa to Mexico further mixing us because they had killed so many of us.
What does that say about the American healthcare free market system that the biggest group of poorest people who can’t afford to shop in the market live longer than the richest people Whites who shop in the market?
I blame farm chemicals it takes how much corn to make a pound of meat on a cow farm chemicals get concentrated as you go up the food chain the less meat you eat the better.
Poor Whites and African Americans I suspect I need to research this I bet eat more meat. It should be noted that rural Americans mostly Whites die sooner than urban Americans.
It should also be noted that Mexican immigrants who are poorer than 2nd and 3rd generation hispanics and can afford the least meat and healthcare live longer than 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics. However farm workers who tend to be first generation live much much shorter life spans have higher infant mortality etc.
3 variables access to healthcare, meat consumption, farm chemical exposure I assume the farm chemicals that farm workers get directly exposed to leak into the rural American water supply.
Its funny the Racists don’t mention trends that have been apparent for Decades it kind of makes them look like Corporate tools trying to divide poor people more than actual racists concerned about actual threats to Whites.
Agreed
PC means don’t say something in public among Whites or on TV, Radio that might get your ass kicked if you said it in a bar full of the people who you insult. Care to come to Chicago we have plenty of bars where you can argue that that point.
We have Irish bars in Forrest Park ( near Chicago) we can send Clarence Thomas to one of those bars with a few white friends Sarah and Newt come to mind and they can say anti White, anti Irish stuff there on Saint Patrick’s Day.
Disrespect no matter the race is bad .
My grandparents were the first in my line of the family to leave the Columbia, SC area in over 200 years. Moved to DeeCee when my grampa joined the Bonus Marchers in 32. They were poor. Once grampa got a job with the govt as an electrician he ate more meat. Roasts or meat loaf on Sundays, leftovers the rest of the week. Gramma didn’t eat as much meat as grampa did, stuck with veggies mostly. Grampa retired in 65 iirc. Died in 69 aged 70. Gramma died in 96 at 96.
Really judgmental. Kinda like saying the “inherent drug use and hippies among the modern Democrat and progressive movements.”
The statistic to look at is the number of birthers remaining in the Republican party is 25%. Likewise, I’m sure the percentage of people among Democrats who thought that George W. Bush was illegitimately elected president in 2000 was over 25%, and I saw more than one comic making him out like a monkey throughout his presidency.
My point is that the Republican party doesn’t have the corner on disrespect and bigotry, and saying otherwise is just trying to jockey for position rather than changing minds on valid political issues. Regardless, it seems that 20% of the population will be demonstrably wrong about anything and will not (readily) change their mind no matter what the poll is about, or how convincing the evidence may be. Look at the 20% of people who think we need to hang on to big oil subsidies as an example.
Hey, neither was the Thousand-Year Reich, which lasted all of 12 years. But that didn’t stop them from trying it.
You have more faith in their intelligence than do I. I have more faith in their greed and their unrestrained pursuit of their naked self-interest as they see it. The current economic and political system in our country rewards the sociopaths among us, people who can impoverish millions and make decisions which will kill thousands, then go to bed at nights and sleep soundly after done so.
stewartm
So we’re comparing birtherism, a belief without even the merest of a shred of legitimate evidence, to beliefs doubting Bush’s legitimacy—these in turn being based on a vote recount in Florida having been stopped via a dubious Supreme Court decision before said recount would have reversed the results and made Gore president?.
That’s quite a comparative stretch there.
-stewartm
The largest problem I have with charges of bigotry and racism is they are broadly applied(ironically enough just like bigotry and racism itself are the broad application of characteristics of minorities) . I once had someone at the Orange Satan insist that we are all born racist. While she is certainly entitled to make those claims for herself, I think it is a smear to those of us that make efforts not to put people in little boxes(which biologically is what our brain is prone to do; it’s a survival skill).
Frankly, I see little difference between someone saying ” tea partiers/baggers are stupid, racist etc etc” and ” gays, blacks etc, etc (insert minority) are perverts, criminals etc, etc(insert slur). Both are broad statements and while you might be able to provide anecdotal evidence to support some being exactly what you suggest, you still risk placing good people in boxes where they don’t belong.
Oh and for the record, people like me were charged with racism during the primaries and subsequently following them when we stated categorically that Barack Obama would not get our vote despite the fact that we could list reasons that we would not support him and none of those reasons was race. So yes I consider charges of racism very serious and the least compelling reason that I would choose to not vote Republican.
Right on PW!
These sick Conservatives use Bigotry to get their evil ways.
Everyone has some degree of Bigotry in themselves (though most of us don’t want or like it and have learned to raise above it). Because Bigotry is FEAR of anyone and anything that doesn’t think, look, behave, believe or act like you do. So you have many forms of Bigotry. Some are Racial, Political, Social, Sexual, and Religious Bigotry. And since it is natural and essential to feel safe, instead of working threw the fear of Bigotry, it is easier to demonize that which we fear. Hence the Hate, makes us falsely feel safe.
A useful way to overcome Bigotry is public/college Education and/or Spirituality. Why because we teach it is harmful to Hate and we teach we should all get along and live together. We teach there is no good reason for Fear and Hate, is bad, and they really hurt others and ourselves.
Correct!
“Remember, the whole point of the Southern Strategy is that rich people and businesses use racism as a means to get whites, especially working-class whites, to vote against their own best interests. Bigotry is used to get voters to back cutting social programs that are seen as mainly helping people who aren’t white, male, Christian, or heterosexual — and the way to cut these programs is by cutting taxes, especially on the rich. This is why bigotry and Republicanism have been intertwined for decades, and will stay that way until the Republican Party collapses of its own foul weight.”
Conservatives are sicko’s. Out of the fear of Bigotry, they want everyone to think, act, look and believe just like they do. No freedom in that.
“What Conservatives Really Want
Saturday 19 February 2011
by: George Lakoff, Truthout”
“Above all, the authority of conservatism itself must be maintained. The country should be ruled by conservative values, and progressive values are seen as evil. Science should not have authority over the market, and so the science of global warming and evolution must be denied. Facts that are inconsistent with the authority of conservatism must be ignored or denied or explained away. To protect and extend conservative values themselves, the devil’s own means can be used again conservatism’s immoral enemies, whether lies, intimidation, torture, or even death, say, for women’s doctors.”
http://www.truth-out.org/what-conservatives-really-want67907
Exactly. Racism is the tool used to get the majority of Americans to screw themselves so the rich get richer.
And yet more fodder for the “They’re Not Even Trying To Hide It Any More” files:
http://www.bilerico.com/2011/05/unbelievable_unapologetic_racism.php
And you my “friend” donbacon – like all the other working and middle class people that vote against their pocketbooks, their helath care and their childrens educations – are the driving forces behind the right wing fascism that the GOP, Teatards, christian evangelicals and christian nationalists peddle as being the “real ‘merica”. Get it yet or are you just gonna keep drinkin’ the koolaid and votin’ for a country that is “Fascist GOVERNANCE of the mindless hordes BY the corporations, FOR the corporations in Ayn Rand’s name we pray, Amen”
Modern meat from cows, pigs etc fed corn,grain grown with chemicals rural people did not start dying sooner than urban people until 1990.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/cea/factsheets-reports/strengthening-the-rural-economy/the-current-state-of-rural-america
The government says access to healthcare is the likely cause looking at Hispanic’s life span’s vs farm worker Hispanic’s lifespans I think chemicals are the cause although malnutrition among farm workers is I admit another factor to consider.
Meat in moderation is good for you American mass produced meat probably not.
Thanks PW, though very disturbing. And it’s only going to get worse because Fox News, the overwhelmingly Conservative Media and the Republican Party deliberately promote the Lies, Hate, Fear, and Violence of Racial/Religious/Social Bigotry making it alarmingly acceptable in our society.
As you mentioned, they do it for Power and Greed.
So if someone steals a dollar, he’s as big a criminal as someone who steals a million dollars?
Oh, I know. The worst ones are in fact people like the Kochs and the Pauls (Ron and Rand), who have both Calvinism and Ayn Randism as “might is right” belief systems they can use to justify their amorality. That’s why the Kochs have ordered FSU to teach a course glorifying their take on capitalism, complete with a forced reading of Atlas Shrugged.
Speaking of Ron and Rand Paul, conservatism, Republicanism and bigotry:
Ding ding ding!
The fact that he’s in this thread kinda proves my point all by itself.
I have a college friend who says he runs into such libertarian types all the kind–”the solution to racism and discrimination and homophobia is the ‘free market’”.
I’d like to say this to them: “The ‘free market’ had plenty of time in the Jim Crow South to correct said problem. It didn’t, and in fact there was no inkling of it ever doing so. It’s also true that direct action by the Federal Government make monumental strides in elminating it.
So why advocate a ‘solution’ to this problem that has not a shred of empirical evidence that it actually solves the problem, and castigate a solution that actually worked to solve the problem you say you’re against too?”
-steawartm
Interstellar! PW, you often come up with stuff that is working its way just below the surface with consequences I knew nothing about. Thank you!